The Pioneer radio in my 1983 Dodge van picks up local Jackson 103.7 FM
radio station www.WLEZ.com (Nostalgia Radio) real good.I hopes at
least one of my other radios can pick up that radio station.I haven't
tried them all out yet.
I reckon I can hook up one of my old car radios and see if it will pick
up WLEZ and use it in my house and or out in my back yard.
cuhulin

David Eduardo wrote:

"Selling what we want you to offer..." is an old concept. It's, from the
radio point of view, about "us." It's the "50,000 watt voice of the
Great Southwest." Who cares? Good radio today is about "you," the
individual listener. It's the difference between "La Nueva, the concert
station, where you can win tickets to the Vicente Fernandez concert..."
and "Imagine yourself in the front row at the Vicente Fernandez
concert... it may not be a dream...."

If the programming is so good, why do you have to give away prizes?

On Jul 12, 12:55*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 1:52 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their
own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.

The reason why folks listened to out of town stations 50 years ago is that
there were still no Top 40 (or other "hip" formats) in many markets. So kids
in Ruidoso, NM listend to KOMA from Oklahoma City and those in Northport,
Michigan, listened to WLS and so on.


we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then. properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.


Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.


we know music went to f.m. that does not mean they are locked into a
playlist some corporate toady has chosen for us to hear.


*they used to play a song about hemp rope, and the hippe that craved
the rope, it was hilarious. today if you dare criticize a
conservative, you are banned from air time, censored like the nazi's
used to do. conservatism, just say no, its the healthy thing to do.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

it was funny. just like itsibisty yellow polka dot bikini, monster
mash, or purple people eater, nether of those could make it with
today's corporate feverish grip on the media.

Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 1:52 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their
own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.

The reason why folks listened to out of town stations 50 years ago is that
there were still no Top 40 (or other "hip" formats) in many markets. So kids
in Ruidoso, NM listend to KOMA from Oklahoma City and those in Northport,
Michigan, listened to WLS and so on.


we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then. properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.

Psssssst... 'Eduardo' is a corporate toady.

On Jul 12, 1:02*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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then it shows you that concentration had to start somewhere. last
time i checked, oslo norway, pop. a little over 3 mil. still has 3
dailys.

As I mentioned before, what sustains European papers, and will for a while
longer, is the immense use of public transit systems. What percentage of
newspaper users buy the paper to read on the train or bus?

No US city, save New York, has anywhere near the use of public transit, and
most of the use is by those who can't afford cars. What drives public
transit in Europe is far denser population, resulting in an ease in creating
transit routes very near each person's residence.

Without public transit, the reading time for papers would be reduced
enormously and many papers would fail.

In Buenos Aires, the southernmost city in Europe, one major daily, Clarín
observed that nearly half its daily circulation was bought at Subte (subway)
stations and bus and train stops. And that is why in Europe and Latin
America, Sunday circulation falls way off, while in the US it is much higher
than the Monday-Firday press run.

The US depends on home delivery for most circulation... in other parts of
the world, there is often no home delivery... all copies are sold on the
street.

you go where your customers are. but in my case, i love the door to
door service. but why buy a bland corporate paper that is a
conservative doormat. in europe, papers still break stories faster
than the internet. which menas people value them.
letting madison avenue that is populated with conservatives and
libertarians choose what we see, hear and read, has been a disaster.

On Jul 12, 1:12*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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Must have been a bad station in a small market or a really bad on in a
bigger one. In any case, nobody who knows radio would call the person on
the
air a "jockey." Jockeys ride horses. Disk Jockeys may be called DJ's or
Jocks, but they ain't called jockeys.

minneapolis/st.paul. hardly small. it was am radio then. today they
are talk, but back then, they were the rock power house.

I presume you mean "rock and roll" powerhouse. "rock" stations were an FM
phenomenon, starting in the very late 60's.


hmmmm, rock and roll was a 50's terminology as far as i know. i must
have coined the phrase back in the early 60's then?


Nit picking on terminology aside, the two Top 40 powerhouses in the Twin
Cities were KDWB and KDGY (630 and 1130 AM)


yes.

KDWB was a Crowell Collier station, and like KEWB and KFWB, it had a very
limited Top 40 playlist and never deviated from it. WDGY was owned by Storz,
where format violations were subject to immediate dismissal.



then i must have gotten wdgys jockeys all fired.


Of course, KDWB is no more... the allocation moved once as far as Wisconsin,
and is now a small station doing Regional Mexican programming..



they moved to f.m., where it is today, i could care less.

today, corporate america has ruined not only radio, but t.v. and the
papers. they have loaded them up with debt, and severe restrictions
that make them bland, conservative in nature, safe.

There are 14,000 radio stations in the US, and perhaps 1000 are burdened
with seemingly irresolvable debt issues. None would have had any trouble
were it not for the recession, so you are doing the equivalent of blaming
debt for the failure of Chrysler and GM, when it was the perfect storm of
labor commitments, bad designs and horrible quality that came about due to
the recession.

and most are owned by a few companies, that loaded them up on debt
because of the purchase price, and gave us a bad product, a product
that was costing them customers before the recession. and as we always
see with conservative economics, they cannot pay their bills. who
would have ever thought.

Untrue. If you go down in size to groups that own 50 stations or less, which
excludes only about 10 or 11 companies, you will see that about 12,200
stations are not owned by big companies.


we have few independents here. but we do have clear channel, and more
than one of them.


There are, among them, only a couple that are severely burdened by debt,
representing maybe 1000 stations. On the other hand, every station,
newspaper, corner story and working person is burdened by the economy. Any
bankruptcies are due to the economy, not the business model.



we shall see.

Yes, a few companies are in trouble in radio due to debt. Most are not.

we shall see.

We can already see. There are as many endangered single station Ma and Pa
operations that can't pay the bills today as there are big "corporate"
stations.



no doubt.


And among the biggest, there are those like Cox and CBS that have no debt
issues and use the very same programming models because they work and please
listeners.

there is a place for ridged playlists, but, that model si shrinking
fast

On Jul 12, 1:42*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 2:22 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

you are citing a different problem than what we are discussing. then
you say they went under not because of the programming, but because
f.m. became popular right? you cannot have this both ways.

Brenda Ann made two NUMBERED points... one about programming, the other
about the facility. In this case, the cause of the demise of the station had
to do with it being AM when AM began dying as well as loose, uncontrolled
programming in the face of more structured and focused FMs.


you have insinuated that f.m. caused the demise of these stations,
but in my area, many moved to f.m. once they were bought out, then
came the ridged playlists. that is what we are really discussing.


And analysis of millions of listener weeks of recorded listening over
nearly
a decade shows that there is very little listening outside the 64 dbu of
FMs
at work or at home, and much of that is because the radios of the last few
decades can't pick up much of anything less than that with acceptable
quality. When I see nearly no exceptions that would validate your
contention, I must conclude that you are imagining things.

hmmmm, are you telling me that the f.m. band, cannot play a large
wide selection of music, is there something wrong with the spectrum,
it can only broadcast corporate chosen bland conservative playlists?

FMs have essentially all the music audience, so there is no issue between AM
and FM here. It is just a radio issue, with no band distinction.



nope, its a corporate mentality that limits choice.

Radio uses techniques to determine the appeal of each individual song in a
specific genre (or "format") and they play, as a rule, all the songs that
have wide appeal and don't play the ones that a significant numbers of
listeners don't want to hear. In each format, there are different numbers of
songs that tend to define these formats, in every market, often even in
different countries.



that's why people are loading up ipods with music they cannot hear on
the radio, plugging them into their radio jacks, and ignoring
corporate owned bland radio.

Country stations average in the 600 to 700 songs, Tallahassee or Spokane.
Soft ACs go from 300 to 350 songs. CHR's (today's term for Top 40) around
120. And so on. The reason there are no more is that listeners as a group
don't like any more songs, no matter how deep the research goes.


corporate research is so good. or, is it that corporate research only
chooses what the corporation makes money on.


And every so often there is a station that plays 1500 songs in a 700 song
format, and dies, proving the rule. The reason playlists are the size they
are is that the listeners who selected the songs indicated that that was all
they liked enough to play.

you ignore what is going on, on the internet.

On Jul 12, 2:00*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 9:10 am, dave wrote:



David Eduardo wrote:

The idea that there are musicologist-type DJs rummaging through
thousands of records is a myth, and in the few cases such exists or has
existed, most have failed.

Myth? How so? Community stations have such programmers to this day.
When I was in Top 40 (50 actually) radio in the '60s we were told where
to choose the next record from, e.g. top 10 current out of the top of
the hour ID; power oldie out of news headlines, etc. We were never
told to play a specific song at a specific time.

We had music meetings where we auditioned new records and informally
voted on them. We discovered and broke new acts. Our musical knowledge
and opinion was valued.

I blame Lee Abrams more than Ron Jacobs.

thank you for your statement. its what i saw as a kid also.

Of course the statement is untrue. Playlists, based on consumer feedback,
were shortened going back nearly 20 years before Abrams developed his
successful format at WQDR in Raleigh.


wal-marts come and go im american history, once the citizens of this
country find out how bland they are. this is not natural to limit
choices in america.


As for proof, Abram's SuperStars(c) format was contracted all over the US,
where it rapidly decimated the remaining free form stations that ran under
the label of "progressive rock."


wal-mart wipes out main street, that does not mean that wal-mart will
stay in favor forever.


the
truth, its refreshing. back in the 60's, in my area, garage bands were
the thing. my local radio exposed them, and many went national,
remember the trashmen and surfer bird, the gentrys "keep on dancing"
the castaways 'liar liar", today, they would never get heard.

The eqivalent songs would get played today... adding music is a pure
emotional call, verified only weeks later by research. Most program
directors are blind to label... we look at the aritst, obviously giving
prefernce to the new song by the biggest acts and the newer acts with a few
consistent hits under their belts. Then, just as in the 50's and 60's we
look for good songs by unknowns.



ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! night is day, and day is night.


No PD in the 60's would have postponed adding a new Beatles or Stones or
Supremes cut to play the Castaways chanting "Liar, Liar, you're pants are on
fire..." But enough of the new songs get played that we have a nice crop of
newcomers in country, CHR, Urban, and every other format that plays an
amount of current music.

its not that the castaways pushed off the beatles and stones music
off the air, its that we had a choice, and that choice enriched the
music listening, and also the health of the music industry. the music
industry uses your research, and we see how well they are doing.

Have you ever watched Top Gear on the BBC America tv channel? It is easy
to see/hear they hate America/Americans.
Especially that damn MORON Jefrey Clarkson.
Look them up at www.devilfinder.com
You will see what I mean.
cuhulin

About time for me to take another Estrogen tablet now.
This morning at the Goodwill store, I mentioned to Pam (she shops at
Goodwill, she is almost always over there every day) I need to find out
where I can buy some Testosterone blocker.She told me to check with the
Sesame Seed store in Clinton.Clinton is a suburb City five miles West of
doggy's couch.
cuhulin