In article ,
Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. It just doesn't make sense. The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.

That last sentence contains the reason HD Radio will die: no consumer
interest. The industry can engage in all the masturbatory exercises it
likes, but if the public is not interested, that's the end of the story.
The public is not interested. The big push several years ago was to
"educate the public" about HD Radio. Well, the public is not only
educated now, but has post-graduate degrees. The public is willfully
ignoring HD Radio.

Meanwhile, the noise
in the existing radio bands drives listeners like me - people who really
enjoy radio - to the web. I'm just hopeful this whole thing shakes out
soon.

That is the concern. HD Radio is done. There is no question about that
from anyone who is awake. Eventually, its enthusiasts will figure it
out. But by then, the damage to the core may be irreversible.

Even Radio World, the biggest shill HD Radio ever had is now saying to
broadcasters, "Don't expect HD Radio to bail you out."

Such insight!

--
John Higdon
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AT&T-Free At Last

On Oct 14, 7:29*pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
*Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. *It just doesn't make sense. *The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.

- That last sentence contains the reason
- HD Radio will die: no consumer interest.

Why FM HD-Radio will become a Consumer Reality :

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

it's 'commercial' radio so follow the money ~ RHF

In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard
feature on factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market
systems. Once the installed base reaches critical mass then more
stations will add HD.

I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as
well as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version
without HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many
receivers where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being
thrown in as a standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and
because the equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original
model of requiring a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no
one bought it because there was so little content available).

FM radio was around for more than 30 years before automobile
manufactures switched from AM radios to AM/FM radios as the standard
factory audio system (IIRC it was in the mid 1970's). It was actually
pretty good because with such a limited installed base there was a lot
less advertising on FM.

HD is the only digital radio system approved by the FCC. We'd be better
off with DAB which has no licensing fees, but HD was approved by the FCC
in 2002, during the dark years of GWB when the FCC was run as a business
designed to reward corporate broadcasters, wireless carriers, and
companies like iBiquity. The decision is unlikely to be reversed. Get
used to it.

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

In article ,
SMS wrote:

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

They already know that there is currently NO benefit to spending six
figures per station to ruin the quality of their current signal. I
couldn't talk them into it now if I wanted to.

In the unlikely event that HD every reaches "critical mass", HD could be
implemented overnight (well, in a week anyway). Until then, why bother?
Let the big boys throw their money in the street now.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

"SMS" wrote in message
...
John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one. HD
Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard feature on
factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market systems. Once the
installed base reaches critical mass then more stations will add HD.

I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as well
as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version without
HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many receivers
where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being thrown in as a
standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and because the
equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original model of requiring
a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no one bought it because
there was so little content available).


Ford is SUPPOSED to be an iBiquity partner. Our brand new 2009 Ford Flex has
optional Sirius, no HD. And again, this is a brand new car.

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

Ford is SUPPOSED to be an iBiquity partner. Our brand new 2009 Ford Flex has
optional Sirius, no HD. And again, this is a brand new car.

In the past year, I have purchased two new Fords, neither of which came
with an "HD Radio". Both have Sirius, CD changer, and "Sync". I let the
Sirius lapse in both (who cares?), and HD Radio would never be listened
to, since there isn't a single station I listen to that is doing.

Maybe Ford woke up.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On Oct 15, 9:45*am, SMS wrote:
John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
* but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard
feature on factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market
systems.

- Once the installed base reaches critical mass
- then more stations will add HD.

That would be somewhere around 2015 . . .
IBOC : FM HD-Radio :
The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...08ec3b49d272f2

Yeah once Audio Content Consumers
-aka- Radio Listeners
Find an FM HD-2 Channel or two on their Car/Truck
HD-Radio they will start looking for an HD-Radio
for their Home and Office.

There are many 'paths' to the Public's Acceptance
of, and Adaption to, FM HD-Radio as their everyday
Audio {Radio} "Fix". ~ RHF


I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as
well as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version
without HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many
receivers where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being
thrown in as a standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and
because the equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original
model of requiring a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no
one bought it because there was so little content available).

FM radio was around for more than 30 years before automobile
manufactures switched from AM radios to AM/FM radios as the standard
factory audio system (IIRC it was in the mid 1970's). It was actually
pretty good because with such a limited installed base there was a lot
less advertising on FM.

HD is the only digital radio system approved by the FCC. We'd be better
off with DAB which has no licensing fees, but HD was approved by the FCC
in 2002, during the dark years of GWB when the FCC was run as a business
designed to reward corporate broadcasters, wireless carriers, and
companies like iBiquity. The decision is unlikely to be reversed. Get
used to it.

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

CBS is running infomercials on some of their HD-3 streams....making not a
lot of money...but some.

There are HD-2's in NY that are leased to foreign language broadcasters.

Many small constituancy groups would lease an HD-2 channel if they could.

Most stations ahve chosen NOT to have comemrcials on their HD2 stream.

I know a local group that would raise funds to lease an HD2 channel so they
can put EWTN on it (This I don't understand!)

But there are people a few dimes off their HD2 channels.

On Oct 15, 1:00*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message

...

In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

CBS is running infomercials on some of their HD-3 streams....making not a
lot of money...but some.

There are HD-2's in NY that are leased to foreign language broadcasters.

Many small constituancy groups would lease an HD-2 channel if they could.

Most stations ahve chosen NOT to have comemrcials on their HD2 stream.

I know a local group that would raise funds to lease an HD2 channel so they
can put EWTN on it (This I don't understand!)

But there are people a few dimes off their HD2 channels.

"REGENT COMMUNICATIONS, INC."

"We are currently broadcasting 24 FM stations and two AM stations in
digital, or high definition radio (HD Radio)... The economic benefit,
if any, to our stations that have converted to HD Radio currently
cannot be measured. Any future economic benefit to our stations as a
result of digital conversion is not known at this time."

http://tinyurl.com/nw9ts6

"Saga Communications, Inc."

"We also continue the rollout of HD Radio™... It is unclear what
impact HD Radio will have on the industry and our revenue as the
availability of HD receivers, particularly in automobiles, is not
widely available."

http://tinyurl.com/m5cs7l

"EMMIS COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION"

"We currently utilize HD Radio® digital technology on most of our FM
stations. It is unclear what impact HD Radio® will have on the markets
in which we operate."

http://tinyurl.com/kkgd7j