On Sep 20, 4:48*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.

Seems that because the issues facing the planet
are more related to overpopulation than overgrowth of vegetation,
wouldn't it make more sense to eat off some of that excessive population?

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Now you're talkin'! Who volunteers to be the main course?

On 9/20/10 23:30 , bpnjensen wrote:



Luckily, there is Thorium nuclear. A SUPERB alternative to ordinary U
or Pu fission, very plentiful fuel (about 1,000 years' worth), much
shorter-lived waste ( a couple hundred vs a couple hundred thou),
technology already there, India& France among others will have these
online in a couple of years, a great stopgap until we can move onward
to efficient solar and/or Fusion.



After you mentioned this, what, a few months ago, I did some
extensive research into Thorium nuclear power.

What I found was quite illuminating. And could, if implemented,
alter the paradigm for nuclear power generation.

Power plants could be practically and efficiently scalable, to
grow with increasing demand instead of reaching exhaustion and then
being replaced. They could be smaller, less intrusive, to meet with
the aesthetic expectations of a modern environment. And the reaction
is self regulating. The expensive, complex system for monitoring and
throttling the reaction would be less massive, emergency systems
could be less cumbersome, and the containment and environmental
clear areas could be far smaller. With waste recyclable, and much of
it reusable.

Meaning, that every community could, conceivably, have nuclear
power generation, and it could be transparent to the citizens, at
far less cost per kilowatt-hour.

Bridging to a trough system of solar collection, and, as they do
in Israel, storing the heat in molten flouride salts underground for
nighttime production, could put some enormous solar power generation
on stream in only a few years' time. If fusion doesn't reach that
bridge first.

Bridging the gap between coal/gas generation today, with Thorium
nuclear, until there is practical solar or fusion production, could,
conceivably, put an end to rolling brown/blackouts, a sharp
reduction in energy costs at the consumer level, with a transparent,
and naturally evolving grid, and little, if any downside to the
production.

If it weren't for the politics, this could be exciting.

On Sep 20, 9:41 am, John wrote:
On 9/20/2010 7:01 AM, dave wrote:

...
How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.

That begins an interesting thought. How, we Americans, greatly extended
our lifespans, health and well being from grazing humongous amounts of
beef and having the American diet centered around this excellent source
of protein.

Now that the rich find that the population is too expensive to feed a
diet of beef to, they wish to convert us over to a diet of rice, veges
and tofu. Some idiots will actually begin touting this as desirable!
If you ever doubt the lack of intelligence in a good portion of the
population, you just gave a good example of a reminder ...

You go eat that chit ... leaves more steak for me!

Regards,
JS

On 9/21/2010 12:22 AM, wrote:

BTW, Schicklgruber was a vegetarian, not a well publicized fact !

Hah! That probably explains why his health was so bad at the end...

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

How about you give up meat 3 times a week?

I haven't had any meat today...yet
there's a slow cooker going as I type
and as the scents waft into this room
I'm about to log off and go chow down.


I made fried catfish sandwiches last night. I have fish quite a bit.

“Following an anti-inflammatory diet can help counteract the chronic
inflammation that is a root cause of many serious diseases, including
those that become more frequent as people age. It is a way of selecting
and preparing foods based on science that can help people achieve and
maintain optimum health over their lifetime.”
-Dr. Weil

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02995...d-Pyramid.html

On Sep 21, 5:30*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 9/20/10 23:30 , bpnjensen wrote:

Luckily, there is Thorium nuclear. *A SUPERB alternative to ordinary U
or Pu fission, very plentiful fuel (about 1,000 years' worth), much
shorter-lived waste ( a couple hundred vs a couple hundred thou),
technology already there, India& *France among others will have these
online in a couple of years, a great stopgap until we can move onward
to efficient solar and/or Fusion.

* *After you mentioned this, what, a few months ago, I did some
extensive research into Thorium nuclear power.

* *What I found was quite illuminating. And could, if implemented,
alter the paradigm for nuclear power generation.

* *Power plants could be practically and efficiently scalable, to
grow with increasing demand instead of reaching exhaustion and then
being replaced. They could be smaller, less intrusive, to meet with
the aesthetic expectations of a modern environment. And the reaction
is self regulating. The expensive, complex system for monitoring and
throttling the reaction would be less massive, emergency systems
could be less cumbersome, and the containment and environmental
clear areas could be far smaller. With waste recyclable, and much of
it reusable.

* *Meaning, that every community could, conceivably, have nuclear
power generation, and it could be transparent to the citizens, at
far less cost per kilowatt-hour.

* *Bridging to a trough system of solar collection, and, as they do
in Israel, storing the heat in molten flouride salts underground for
nighttime production, could put some enormous solar power generation
on stream in only a few years' time. If fusion doesn't reach that
bridge first.

* *Bridging the gap between coal/gas generation today, with Thorium
nuclear, until there is practical solar or fusion production, could,
conceivably, put an end to rolling brown/blackouts, a sharp
reduction in energy costs at the consumer level, with a transparent,
and naturally evolving grid, and little, if any downside to the
production.

* *If it weren't for the politics, this could be exciting.

Beautifully stated, Peter :-)

On Sep 21, 5:43*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On Sep 20, 9:41 am, John *wrote:
On 9/20/2010 7:01 AM, dave wrote:

...
How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.

That begins an interesting thought. *How, we Americans, greatly extended
our lifespans, health and well being from grazing humongous amounts of
beef and having the American diet centered around this excellent source
of protein.

Now that the rich find that the population is too expensive to feed a
diet of beef to, they wish to convert us over to a diet of rice, veges
and tofu. *Some idiots will actually begin touting this as desirable!
If you ever doubt the lack of intelligence in a good portion of the
population, you just gave a good example of a reminder ...

You go eat that chit ... leaves more steak for me!

Regards,
JS

On 9/21/2010 12:22 AM, wrote:

BTW, Schicklgruber was a vegetarian, not a well publicized fact !

Hah! That probably explains why his health was so bad at the end...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well - lots of vegetarians live very long healthy lives, so that takes
care of that issue.

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

The IGY solar max was a once in a lifetime event.

Sounds like a trend line conclusion based on a too low sample rate.
IOW: How many lifetimes are you using in your calculus?

Cycle 24 is going to
be below average.

Same historical analysis the you seem to be using claimed otherwise.


I was talking about MY lifetime. Safe bet, it turns out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pot-number.png

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/SC24/index.html (scroll down)

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.

Seems that because the issues facing the planet
are more related to overpopulation than overgrowth of vegetation,
wouldn't it make more sense to eat off some of that excessive population?

[Soylent Green]


http://www.art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

Joe from Kokomo wrote:



1) It WILL happen as India and China's middle class grows.


pollution from millions of additional autos.

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Joe from Kokomo wrote:


For those that say we are getting cooler, they may be right. The very
latest solar data shows that the sun may be "slowing down" (for lack of
a better term) and that this will give us another cooling Maunder
Minimum as experienced circa 1600-1700.

On 9/20/2010 9:39 AM, dave wrote:

Even though the sun is relatively quiet, 2010 is the hottest year on
record so far. What will happen when the sun returns to normal?

Non radio propagation answer:

Well, you could try and stake a claim to an ice floe in the Arctic
Ocean...and hope it doesn't melt out from under you.

I'm opening a chain of convenience stores on the North Coast of Canada.