Joe from Kokomo wrote:


Consumerism or survival?

Do you allow for any shades of gray between those two extremes?

To me consumerism is bad if carried to extremes, i.e., a smaller
percentage of the wold's population consuming a larger percentage of the
world's resources.

"Survival" to me means living in a cave without electricity, eating
snakes and bugs.

Please clarify your definitions.


Consumerism is materialism, the opposite of spirituality.

If I have to "live in a cave" to try to save the future for my grandkids
I will do it.

I've already given up meat and air-conditioning and watering the lawn.

On 9/20/2010 6:36 AM, dave wrote:

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Consumerism is materialism, the opposite of spirituality.

If I have to "live in a cave" to try to save the future for my grandkids
I will do it.

I've already given up meat and air-conditioning and watering the lawn.

And, the rich-elite power brokers thank you, from their yachts, as they
head to a nice Caribbean island. What more can you give up, I'd like a
nice yacht!

Have you considered moving to san fransicko and eating tofu?

Regards,
JS

On Sep 20, 5:59*am, John Smith wrote:
On 9/20/2010 6:36 AM, dave wrote:

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Consumerism is materialism, the opposite of spirituality.

If I have to "live in a cave" to try to save the future for my grandkids
I will do it.

I've already given up meat and air-conditioning and watering the lawn.

And, the rich-elite power brokers thank you, from their yachts, as they
head to a nice Caribbean island. *What more can you give up, I'd like a
nice yacht!

Have you considered moving to san fransicko and eating tofu?

Regards,
JS

That's what I do ;-)

So wha power brokers, exactly, are benefitting from Dave's choices?

On 9/20/2010 8:20 AM, bpnjensen wrote:

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That's what I do ;-)

So wha power brokers, exactly, are benefitting from Dave's choices?

The ones consuming daves portion, of course ...

Regards,
JS

On Sep 20, 3:18*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/20/2010 8:20 AM, bpnjensen wrote:

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That's what I do ;-)

So wha power brokers, exactly, are benefitting from Dave's choices?

The ones consuming daves portion, of course ...

Regards,
JS

I give up. You lost me, unless you are talking about the people who
deal in the alternatives he chooses instead - which are quite arguably
not very "powerful."

John Smith wrote:


And, the rich-elite power brokers thank you,

Have you considered moving to san fransicko and eating tofu?

How does my living a more austere life make the corporations happy?

I don't ever want to live in a city again-too hard to escape.

On 9/20/2010 11:41 AM, dave wrote:

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How does my living a more austere life make the corporations happy?

I don't ever want to live in a city again-too hard to escape.

Tarzan lived with the apes, you could give that a try ...

Jane Goodall lived with the gorillas, you might try that ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/20/2010 9:36 AM, dave wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:


Consumerism or survival?

Do you allow for any shades of gray between those two extremes?

To me consumerism is bad if carried to extremes, i.e., a smaller
percentage of the wold's population consuming a larger percentage of the
world's resources.

"Survival" to me means living in a cave without electricity, eating
snakes and bugs.

Please clarify your definitions.


Consumerism is materialism, the opposite of spirituality.

If I have to "live in a cave" to try to save the future for my grandkids
I will do it.

I've already given up meat and air-conditioning and watering the lawn.


Have you given up showers?

Have you given up toilet paper?


Have you given up using energy to save animals, you can walk to the
rally and carry the animals to the critter health center.

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:



Have you given up showers?

Have you given up toilet paper?


Have you given up using energy to save animals, you can walk to the
rally and carry the animals to the critter health center.

No. I don't give a **** about saving animals. It's about keeping the
Earth habitable for my spawn. It's about making a small difference
instead of cursing the darkness. It's about me being part of the
solution, rather than whining about people who care.

On 9/20/2010 11:54 AM, dave wrote:

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No. I don't give a **** about saving animals. It's about keeping the
Earth habitable for my spawn. It's about making a small difference
instead of cursing the darkness. It's about me being part of the
solution, rather than whining about people who care.

Worry about the government taxing your children into indebted servitude
which will last past their lifetimes ... then sweat the small stuff ...

Regards,
JS