|
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/2/2011 7:45 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
... You know, John...in the 18th century, this thinking would be considered visionary. But today, with General Relativity, String Theory, and a pretty good running start at a Grand Unified Theory, it's a little behind the times. Like Newtonian mechanics. Good for it's time. But in a universe of speeds that may be expressed as an appreciable fraction of C, not really all that precise. As described by Lorenz. And demonstrated at Princeton. The theory of ether was rather undone by Michelson and Morely in 1887, when they devised an experiment to detect the ether wind with negative results. The notion of a universally distributed inter-matter substance called ether has been replaced with the thinking that aether is a property of space, which Einstein demostrated through General Relativity was not only subject to bending, distortion and curvature, but was also finite without edge, curving back on itself, not unlike a Moebius band. Creating a universe in which travel in a single direction of sufficient duration will result in a return to the origin. Put another way, if you had a telescope large enough, if you looked in any direction long enough, eventually, you'd see the back of your own head. Let me "more blunt." I am saying nothing, other than repeating Einstein, I just choose words to emphasize his meaning. Perhaps we don't agree on what he has said?: "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it." He is the one placing the importance on the ether, the "standards" ARE the structure of our world and universe ... He even stipulated this!: "Therefore, instead of speaking of an ether, one could equally well speak of physical qualities of space. Now one could take the position that all physical objects fall under this category, because in the final analysis in a theory of fields the ponderable matter, or the elementary particles that constitute matter, also have to be considered as ‘fields’ of a particular kind, or as particular ‘states’ of the space." If you think I am attempting to represent myself as a "visionary", you are sadly mistaken, I meant no such thing. Read the masters words c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y! Anyway, others fight with the meaning of all this he http://www.space-matters.info/newstuff.html History repeats itself, on USENET? Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/2/2011 7:45 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
... And, please, when examing the page I gave, don't miss this important point: More recently, from The Dartmouth, published Friday, 7 May 2010 "In his Thursday 6 May lecture “What is Space?” Frank Wilczek, 2004 Nobel laureate in physics, said, ‘Space is the primary ingredient of physical reality.’ He went on to add ‘We’re in a very special moment of history, because we are like fish who finally realized we were living in water.’" I have said nothing! I have simply read what great minds think, analyzed it, applied my logic and reason, and agreed to accept it -- until better explains "it." You are becoming a drag. I am having to spoon feed this all to you because you are in ignorance of subjects you suddenly jump in on and start your rants which go in circles and tangents! You could avoid all this by simply doing a bit of reading and research and be in a state of being able to make rational and usable comments and statements. Or, go on like the rest of the morons here ... no offense meant -- just sayin'. But, if this is your choice, expect replies to you to become a lot shorter and direct ... Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/2/2011 5:47 PM, John Smith wrote:
page 23: Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. "Aether, much like god, can be treated exactly as if it does not exist" -HVAC -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
D. Peter Maus wrote:
Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct. That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight lines. That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it. ;-) |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 3, 8:26*am, John Smith wrote:
On 6/3/2011 6:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote: ... Interesting that K-12s are not permitted to access or utilize Google Groups or much less contribute within these Usenet/newsgroups, perhaps because of folks like yourself that would topic/author stalk and bash at anyone suggesting alternative interpretations or acting the least bit independent, and thus capable of deductively interpreting on their own. Obviously you want everyone to be as smart as yourself (but never any smarter), so why is this world of yours in such a mess? *http://www.wanttoknow.info/ *http://translate.google.com/# * Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” Actually, that is a bit more than I am attempting to cause to happen ... or am actually stating. D. Peter Maus is NOT an absolute moron of the common type found here -- I have NOT found diabolical-evil intent in his posts. *Indeed, both you and he seem to have something(s) to offer, and at best, that is all which any of can do. *Somehow, I think he has, and too quickly, moved over the fine meaning of what is delivered up in our institutions of "higher learning." *I have made this error, and many times ... when I first found this out, I went back to my colleges, grabbed department heads and held their feet to the fire, and asked them why the material in their institution(s) never covered the detail/truths I was now finding in my area(s) of hire/employment, and to make these important truths dramatically apparent to me? To cut to the chase, and almost to a person, all answers contained a common central theme, "It never was our intent nor obligation to teach you 'what you need to know', but rather to teach you how to learn what you need to know." (answers, condensed, 'averaged' and paraphrased, of course!) *At that time, many decades ago, this angered me ... no longer.. * I now see it was my errors which were the actual fault. And, all this was tempered by the fact that I had been exposed to the same materials, as I was now showing them, as proofs -- but the error(s) were in the "interpretations" of that/those materials. *Further, they pointed out, at any time, I could have chosen to argue any points I found relevant and with great meaning, and in opposition to that which is "commonly accepted" ... instead of "just worrying about the grade." But, here, in NGs, we find REAL morons, and are forced into dealing with "those types" here (or, PLONK EM'! :-) ), it is easy to become cynical and just expect the next comment/statement out of next persons mouth (fingers, mind, etc.) to simply be a new serving of tripe. I simply mean to remind some of the above of, my mistakes, others mistakes, etc. *But, I don't mind getting "down and dirty" to cause this to happen ... the focus, the interest, is in "what-is-REALLY-goin'-on!" * Those of us who can move in that/those direction(s) now will ... Regards, JS Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 4:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
... Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” Too bad they ain't here for the laughs, kinda' one side, they supplying all the humor ... Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 3:23 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 11:37 AM, John Smith wrote: ... Think about it. In doing any calculation, aether need not be entered as a value. In doing any calculation, god need not be entered as a value. Therefore, they can and actually MUST be treated exactly as if they do not exist. Period, dot. Game over. I see the point you make. Akin to saying, "We can ignore time", and sometimes we can ... And, normally, I would agree ... but, when attempting to discover what these things really are, or attempting to advance knowledge so we make a jump to FTL, new energy sources, new universes, etc., I don't. And, ether becomes of primary importance, or is paramount to discussions on the subject ... let's just not develop a mental illness where we want to prevent all others from ignoring-it/discussing-it ... From discussing WHAT? Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? It amounts to mental masturbation. Personally, I don't jerk-off in public.....Much. How fitting, it all began with your personal opinions, then filling in with personal attacks and tomfoolery, now back to personal opinion ... full circle. Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
Is there any such thing as a perfect circle?
cuhulin |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 4:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
... Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” Too bad they ain't here for the laughs, kinda' one sided, them supplying all the humor ... we the laughing. Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote: space = (truly) empty If that were true you might have a point, but it's not. Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to cite. Space doesn't bend, the ether does There is no ether. ... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend? Space isn't "nothing". This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be used in any way as a value in a computation, why use it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as well. Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! And, it has nothing to do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. The UTF will probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the ether ... Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space. Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices which utilize the properties, once we understand them. You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car." The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ... |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/11 18:25 , Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct. That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight lines. That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it. ;-) Right. |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 7:17 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 6/3/11 18:25 , Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct. That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight lines. That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it. ;-) Right. Oh, I'd say you can still create perfectly straight lines, however, NOT with any device which measures "straight", which exists in the same universe ... or, simply put, a perfectly straight line would appear curved to us ... Regards, JS |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was...
I have an old Saturday Evening Post magazine (that magazine is in my
attic now, along with buku more magazines and books and junk) all about when JFK was murdered in Dallas.I forget the exact date of that magazine, I will look at it tomorrow when I go back up in my attic.Yep, I bought that magazine at the Goodwill store a bunch of years ago. cuhulin |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was...
Draw a line (straight or crooked line) on a piece of paper.That line is
3 Dimensional. cuhulin |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was...
|
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT conclude that you are insane? And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/3/2011 9:11 PM, John Smith wrote:
And, ether becomes of primary importance, or is paramount to discussions on the subject ... let's just not develop a mental illness where we want to prevent all others from ignoring-it/discussing-it ... From discussing WHAT? Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? How fitting, it all began with your personal opinions, then filling in with personal attacks and tomfoolery, now back to personal opinion ... full circle. My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 1:44 AM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 9:11 PM, John Smith wrote: And, ether becomes of primary importance, or is paramount to discussions on the subject ... let's just not develop a mental illness where we want to prevent all others from ignoring-it/discussing-it ... From discussing WHAT? Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? How fitting, it all began with your personal opinions, then filling in with personal attacks and tomfoolery, now back to personal opinion ... full circle. My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. It isn't a question, it is an insane rant cloaked as a pseudo-question, not deserving of an answer ... simply no need to acknowledge insanity, the reasons are obvious. -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 4:54 AM, John Smith wrote:
My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. It isn't a question, it is an insane rant cloaked as a pseudo-question, not deserving of an answer ... simply no need to acknowledge insanity, the reasons are obvious. Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 2:10 AM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/4/2011 4:54 AM, John Smith wrote: My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. It isn't a question, it is an insane rant cloaked as a pseudo-question, not deserving of an answer ... simply no need to acknowledge insanity, the reasons are obvious. Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? Yeah, that is about right, Einstein didn't exist either, or was wrong ... ROFLOL!!! .... tomfoolery ... -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 4, 1:42*am, HVAC wrote:
On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote: Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. *The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. *So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT conclude that you are insane? *And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube..com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler? Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane? http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 3, 6:23*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote: On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote: space = (truly) empty If that were true you might have a point, but it's not. Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to cite. Space doesn't bend, the ether does There is no ether. ... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend? Space isn't "nothing". This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be used in any way as a value in a computation, why use it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as well. Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! *And, it has nothing to do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. *The UTF will probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the ether ... Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space. Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices which utilize the properties, once we understand them. You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car." *The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ... Ask them what the all-inclusive saturation or density of photos is per ISM or per IGM km3. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:25:43 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." : D. Peter Maus wrote: Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct. That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight lines. That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it. ;-) Since there is nowhere free from both matter and energy, there aren't. -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:21:31 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith : On 6/3/2011 10:15 AM, Bob Casanova wrote: On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:35:26 -0700, the following appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by John : On 6/2/2011 9:59 AM, Bob Casanova wrote: On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:34:10 -0700, the following appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by John : On 6/2/2011 9:25 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Space does not bend. Einstein disagreed. Really? Yes, really; Einstein showed that space bends, and therefore disagreed with the statement that "Space does not bend". snip This is where the confusion begins, too many think: space = (truly) empty If that were true you might have a point, but it's not. Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to cite. Space doesn't bend, the ether does There is no ether. ... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend? Space isn't "nothing". NO, it isn't, because it is FULL of ether ... space, if possible, by itself is nothing. What you are referring to IS ether, you simply name it space Actually, that's what nearly every scientist names it; "ether" was shown to be nonexistent (or to have zero effect on anything measurable, which is the same thing) over a century ago, ... yes, there is precedent for calling "ether", "space", an error which has been repeated countless times, and you supply absolute evidence of. Regards, JS -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:23:12 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith : On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote: On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote: space = (truly) empty If that were true you might have a point, but it's not. Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to cite. Space doesn't bend, the ether does There is no ether. ... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend? Space isn't "nothing". This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be used in any way as a value in a computation, why use it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as well. Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! And, it has nothing to do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. The UTF will probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the ether ... Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space. EM radiation doesn't require a propagation medium. Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices which utilize the properties, once we understand them. You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car." The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent ... -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 4, 11:40*am, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:23:12 -0700, the following appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by John Smith : On 6/3/2011 3:18 PM, HVAC wrote: On 6/3/2011 1:15 PM, Bob Casanova wrote: space = (truly) empty If that were true you might have a point, but it's not. Google "space" and "virtual particles"; too many hits to cite. Space doesn't bend, the ether does There is no ether. ... I mean, DUH! How can "nothing" bend? Space isn't "nothing". This sounds exactly like a discussion I had a while back on the astronomy group. Why some people just love ether is beyond me. If something (ether) needs not be used in any way as a value in a computation, why use it at all? ...If you kick the tires and look under the hood of these ethertards, you'll find a god believer as well. Well, makes more sense than throwing in the rotation interval of the earth into equations NOT dealing with the earth! *And, it has nothing to do with anything, except the rotation of the earth. *The UTF will probably be discovered right around the time we learn to understand the ether ... Besides, we will never know how radio waves (or any other waves, for that matter) transverse and are propagated by the ether though space. EM radiation doesn't require a propagation medium. Most likely, will lead to a whole new area of physics, math and devices which utilize the properties, once we understand them. You argument sounds familiar, "You don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car." *The areas where that argument fail are also quite apparent .... -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * - McNameless What's the all-inclusive population or average photon density per given km3 of ISM, or better to know that of the IGM? (I'm talking of accounting for everything from at least EIR/ELF [1km] to those extremely hard Gamma of .001 nm) http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 4, 11:36*am, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:25:43 -0700, the following appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." : D. Peter Maus wrote: * Einstein was quite clear that space was a non-Euclidian construct. That, in fact, it was quite flexible, and that there were no straight lines. That would mean there are no straight lines anywhere...if you think about it. ;-) Since there is nowhere free from both matter and energy, there aren't. -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * - McNameless Exactly, whereas everything is in orbit around something, or being converted and/or reflected by something. Unless pi works out to an even prime number, there's no such thing as a straight line. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 4, 12:16*pm, BDK wrote:
In article 265fee09-eebe-493b-a782-418cb0118492@ 22g2000prx.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 4, 1:42*am, HVAC wrote: On 6/3/2011 7:52 PM, Brad Guth wrote: Most of what seems like loose cannon or friendly fire is actually intended to be lethal from the very get go. These mainstream status-quo minions, parrots and brown-nosed clowns have it in for anyone that doesn't follow their lead and worship each and every word they have to say. *The last thing they want to allow is any revision of history or science/physics interpretations other than peer approved by those which they worship as gods. *So there's a wee little problem with these FUD-masters whenever anything the least bit different, new or improved comes along, and should by accident any K12s show up, there's no way that this general K12 public is going to be allowed to see or interpret things any other way than their mainstream status-quo and/or closed mindset way. Hitler as well as GW Bush needed that kind of blind loyalty, and for the most part got it and then some. William Mook has some capability of publishing the best available truth(s) in K12 textbook format. Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT conclude that you are insane? *And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane.. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler? Why are you lumping me in with 3 repubs and a Nazi Brad? Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane? *http://www.wanttoknow.info/ *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet? And there you go Brad, totally proving his point. -- BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running! Since when are you on our side? You obviously think them dirty rotten Russians were always out to get us. Got any proof other than defending themselves from Semites? btw; you don't have to be republican to be a born-again Nazi. http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 11:39 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
... NO, it isn't, because it is FULL of ether ... space, if possible, by itself is nothing. What you are referring to IS ether, you simply name it space Actually, that's what nearly every scientist names it; "ether" was shown to be nonexistent (or to have zero effect on anything measurable, which is the same thing) over a century ago, ... yes, there is precedent for calling "ether", "space", an error which has been repeated countless times, and you supply absolute evidence of. Regards, JS EINSTEIN SAID: "Therefore, instead of speaking of an ether, one could equally well speak of physical qualities of space. Now one could take the position that all physical objects fall under this category, because in the final analysis in a theory of fields the ponderable matter, or the elementary particles that constitute matter, also have to be considered as ‘fields’ of a particular kind, or as particular ‘states’ of the space." So, now, what is up? Is there a particular school which is mandatory where you people come from? Something like, "The University of Morons?" In Einsteins words, above, you must first move ether into the area of "ponderable" ... as now we have no frame of reference to even begin to study or understand it. We need to secure our first sample in some sort of "bottle", with equipment which can detect it. Einstein already acknowledges it, indeed, he acknowledges his theory of relativity is not valid without "gravitational ether." Because we cannot "see" ether at this time is nowhere near proof of its' non-existence ... you are much like the "old doctors" who refused to believe in germs because they could not be seen nor detected. Or, the state of science before x-rays were discovered, we simply lived in ignorance of them. Only morons state the "non-discovery, to date" of something as "proof it doesn't exist!" And, yet, you seem to have no problem that all that looks "logical" to you? ROFLOL -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 11:39 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
... Actually, that's what nearly every scientist names it; "ether" was shown to be nonexistent (or to have zero effect on anything measurable, which is the same thing) over a century ago, ... yes, there is precedent for calling "ether", "space", an error which has been repeated countless times, and you supply absolute evidence of. Regards, JS Indeed, let me get a smaller and finer spoon to feed you with: The Michelson-Morley Experiment assumes their is a "physical flow" to ether (or, that it even exists in a static but detectable state), that this physical flow can be detected on waves, photons or other particles -- I say, this is ALREADY FAR TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS! The "physical" characteristics of ether may have little, or NO, relationship to its' properties of conducting/transporting/etc. waves and/or particles of light and radio frequencies. The "particles of ether" could simply lack the mass/energy or ability to impede or accellerate photons and/or waves, and this is the base reason(s) the Michelson-Morley Experiment failed ... for just one example ... another quick reason, just off the top of my head, the simple rotation of the earth, which the Michelson-Morley Experiment is utilizing, could throw off the ability to detect -- and actually be moving in the same directions, as what the experiments orientation and direction are attempting to use as a measure! I am sure, given any time, a myriad of errors could be thrown in for consideration ... The shallowness of your questions, answers and arguments are your biggest obstacle(s!) -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 11:40 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
... EM radiation doesn't require a propagation medium. ... This argument can be dismissed immediately, light are EM radiation are both governed by the same laws and physics, are are the same phenomenon, of differing frequencies. But, quote your great minds on that "fact" here, we shall have a gander at what you find important? ... -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 3:51 PM, John Smith wrote:
I am sure, given any time, a myriad of errors could be thrown in for consideration ... The shallowness of your questions, answers and arguments are your biggest obstacle(s!) Oh... It's all clear now. It's not that you don't have the ANSWERS, it's that we ask the wrong QUESTIONS. Brilliant! -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 1:57 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT conclude that you are insane? And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane. -- You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler? Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane? Let me ask you a question...When was the last time you sucked a dick? Be honest. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 3:16 PM, BDK wrote:
Guth: Do you honestly believe that ANYONE could read this and NOT conclude that you are insane? And by insane, I mean BAT**** insane. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo You're saying that yourself, Hagar, BDK and rabbi Saul Levy are every bit as sane as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and Hitler? Why are you lumping me in with 3 repubs and a Nazi Brad? Just an FYI... I'm not a republican. Are you suggesting our mutually perpetrated cold-war for profits and public funded job security, with the USSR/Russia was sane? http://www.wanttoknow.info/ http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet? And there you go Brad, totally proving his point. -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 10:07 AM, John Smith wrote:
My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. It isn't a question, it is an insane rant cloaked as a pseudo-question, not deserving of an answer ... simply no need to acknowledge insanity, the reasons are obvious. Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? Yeah, that is about right, Einstein didn't exist either, or was wrong ... How does that statement address my question? -- "OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 1:05 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/4/2011 10:07 AM, John Smith wrote: My 'tomfoolery' aside, you still haven't answered the question. It isn't a question, it is an insane rant cloaked as a pseudo-question, not deserving of an answer ... simply no need to acknowledge insanity, the reasons are obvious. Since ether doesn't exist, or can be treated EXACTLY as if it doesn't exist, why bother to discuss it? Yeah, that is about right, Einstein didn't exist either, or was wrong ... How does that statement address my question? Because Einstein acknowledges his theory must have the platform of gravitational ether to stand upon? You mean that reason? You mean you missed that? -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 1:03 PM, HVAC wrote:
... Let me ask you a question...When was the last time you sucked a dick? Be honest. ... From your question, it is obvious that you think all share your habits, that is all I see? Can you rephrase the question in a manner that would apply to "us?" What, the medication is now failing you, you are back to being unable to maintain focus, and clarity of mind, to stay on subject? Looks bad, should we call 9-1-1? -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing wasFAKE
On 6/4/2011 1:00 PM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/4/2011 3:51 PM, John Smith wrote: I am sure, given any time, a myriad of errors could be thrown in for consideration ... The shallowness of your questions, answers and arguments are your biggest obstacle(s!) Oh... It's all clear now. It's not that you don't have the ANSWERS, it's that we ask the wrong QUESTIONS. Brilliant! Ummm, don't throw yourself in with "the others." In your case it is simple, you are a moron who attempts to discuss matters he has given little thought on, and has devoted almost no study to ... -- Regards, JS “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it’s an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” -- Patrick Henry |
JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
On Jun 5, 8:19*am, John Smith wrote:
In your case it is simple, you are a moron who attempts to discuss matters he has given little thought on, and has devoted almost no study to ... It's almost funny how JS doesn't relate his posts to the above description. But then in his world......... |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:33 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com