On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:59:18 -0700, dave wrote:

Let's roll back to 1999 spending percentages.

Spending as a percentage of GDP - and taxing as a percentage of GDP.


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"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:25:31 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

That's an interesting observation since the wars in both Iraq and
Afghanistan were under a trillion. Obamacare is almost that by itself.

Everybody has a different figure for this, depending on their
political position. It did nothing to lower medical costs, but
really didn't do much to raise medical costs either - only changing
how we buy insurance.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:59:18 -0700, dave wrote:

Let's roll back to 1999 spending percentages.

Spending as a percentage of GDP - and taxing as a percentage of GDP.

So let's see,

Spending 32.65% of the GDP

Meanwhile we increase the debt by 1.34% of the GDP each year.

So tell me, how long until we are bankrupt?

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:25:31 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

That's an interesting observation since the wars in both Iraq and
Afghanistan were under a trillion. Obamacare is almost that by itself.

Everybody has a different figure for this, depending on their
political position. It did nothing to lower medical costs, but
really didn't do much to raise medical costs either - only changing
how we buy insurance.

It wasn't a healthcare plan, as you noted it was mostly insurance reform.
The costs came during the debates (what there were on it....).



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RD (The Sandman)

Thought for the day.......

Handle every stressful situation like a dog would.
If you can't eat it or hump it....**** on it and walk away.

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On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us that the
"Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama the first president
to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than the Bush
administration did in eight years. There would be no need to raise the debt
ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put into a
steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off,
either.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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On Jul 25, 5:47*am, JohnJohnsn wrote:

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..."
-- Sir Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was a major advocate of the socialized medicine the
UK has today - which, BTW, the rank and file Brits generally love,
according to the ones I know, which are quite a few.

Bruce Jensen

On 7/25/2011 11:06 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
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On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us that the
"Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama the first president
to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than the Bush
administration did in eight years. There would be no need to raise the debt
ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put into a
steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off,
either.


Well, you can, but if the aircraft has electronic over-rides, it will
only apply the correction in relation to what the plane can handle ...
now, in fighter/military aircraft, that can be VERY dramatic, possibly
creating g-forces which will black out the pilot ...

If structural design limits were allowed to be ignored, the
plane/aircraft would simply begin losing pieces of itself, or worse.

Regards,
JS

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On 7/25/2011 11:06 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
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On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us that the
"Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama the first president
to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than the Bush
administration did in eight years. There would be no need to raise the debt
ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put into a
steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off,
either.


Well, you can, but if the aircraft has electronic over-rides, it will
only apply the correction in relation to what the plane can handle ...
now, in fighter/military aircraft, that can be VERY dramatic, possibly
creating g-forces which will black out the pilot ...

If structural design limits were allowed to be ignored, the
plane/aircraft would simply begin losing pieces of itself, or worse.

Regards,
JS

Despite yourself, you've made my point.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:06:51 -0700, Alan Baker
wrote:

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put into a
steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off,
either.

In a spin, the first thing to do is put your nose down to gain some
airspeed, so you have some control. (Some planes recover well from
spins, others don't).

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us that
the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama the first
president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than the
Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no need to
raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put
into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off,
either.


How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that has
no validity?


Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in a
steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just by
flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg