On Aug 11, 1:57*pm, RHF wrote:
On Aug 11, 1:38*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:





On 8/11/11 13:04 , bpnjensen wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:28 am, "D. Peter *wrote:
On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, * *wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:46 am, * *wrote:
- On Aug 10, 3:13 am, * *wrote:
* *.
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners
Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups..google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376
-posted-by- ka6uup
-and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41?
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- - One Must Begin To Ask...
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- - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores
- - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ?
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- - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming !
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- - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF
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- - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment !
- -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4
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- - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM !
- -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898
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- You're an uneducated idiot.

BpnJ,

You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee )http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th...

You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of
'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}}

Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another
Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85
* *.
LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE MANTRA :
IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.]
-wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61
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Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely
irrelevant. *The settled science part are your words, not mine, and
completely innaccurate.

* * Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. *He said
it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose.

* * He's said it numerous places.

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As I said before, *Al Gore is irrelevant to the actual issue*. *He is
only a messenger. *To blithely discredit 150 years of long and
thoughtful research by physicists, meterologists, climatologists,
oceanographers, mathematicians and astronomers, peer review after peer
review of every single hypothesis vetted to the nth degree, and a
science which freely admits that it still must answer some of the more
intractable questions to provide a complete picture - as every true
science does, every time - because you don't like the messenger - is
just ugly, unscientific politics. *To do it because of greedy,
narcissistic motives is reprehensible and immoral.

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* *Algore IS irrelevant. My point being that the words were not
Roy's. They were, in fact, Algore's. We may take solace in the fact,
that one blind squirrel has found his nuts, today.

* *More to the point...The science is not settled. As evidenced by
the number of qualified physicists, meteorologists and
climatologists that have taken opposition. And while the science to
which you refer is, in fact, peer reviewed, in the scientific
community dissent against a concensus is an essential part of the
scientific process. Where there is no debate, there can be,
ultimately, no truth. Only politics. What's interesting, and what
many on The Other Side are so enraged about, is that the most vocal
about this matter refuse to debate it at all.

* *Gore, for instance, will not be on any program with any other
guest who may speak. He will have the questions put to him vetted
before he agrees to appear. He will not answer questions that do not
presuppose his position is correct and absolute. (I speak with some
first hand experience with this, as a producer of radio interview
programs while I was at CBS.) In fact, recently, in Chicago, he was
scheduled for a media tour, all the TV chat shows, all the radio
stations. The day he was in town, the scandal broke about the
e-mails from the University of East Anglia. All his appearances were
summarily cancelled, and he left town under cover, so as not to have
to face questions.

* *Gore is only, as you say, a politician. And not a very good one
at that. But he is hardly alone in this. Else, why have there been
no open debates on this issue. There is only assertion and denial of
opposition. But there are no questions answered, no evidence
challenged.

- That's not science, Bruce. That's politics.

-imho-
That's Not Science, Bruce. That's Religion*

* The Cult of Global Warming who's Mantra is :
It's Settle Science : The Can Be No Debate !

Praise Be Al Gore Lord of Carbon Credits !
-thou-shalt-not-have-any-other-date-before-you-
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* *History has presented other examples, look at Lister, reviled for
his position that contagion may be spread doctor to patient through
contaminated hands. Virtually, the entire medical community,
scientists...chemists, physicians, surgeons, researchers...all
condemned Lister for his single voice against the concensus. And
yet, he was right. Proven so in the fullness of time.

* *After the First World War and through the Second, science
advocated eugenics as a true and viable scientific solution to man's
ills. Dissent was fiercely suppressed in some circles. Often with
execution a result. Now widely discredited on scientific grounds,
only a few holdouts still assert eugenics as a means to a societal
end. William Shockley was among them. In the fullness of time, and
debate, did the truth emerge through the politics.

* *And, as you correctly point out, that a true science must admit
it's incomplete understanding, as is the case in the Climate Change
debate, and answer the more intractable questions in order to
complete its understanding. In which case, dissent is also part of
the scientific process.

* *Taken in these lights, shooting the messenger, either messenger,
is reprehensible and immoral. Which puts the abject dismissal of
dissent in the same category as those who deny the concensus
themselves.

* *Put that another way, there must be debate for the truth to
ultimately emerge. To dismiss, condemn, or silence either side is to
deny the emergence of the truth through scientific processes.

* *The Man Made Climate Change advocates, including Gore (yes, a
politician,) have joined many sitting politicians in state and
federal legislative bodies in calling for the silencing through
revocation of grant, through revocation of certification, through
termination of employment of anyone not supporting the Man Made
Climate Change agenda. Read Barbara Boxer's statements on the
subject. These individuals, as many of this body of advocacy, have
been guilty of the kind of ugly, unscientific politics you yourself
have here decried.

* *The truth will be known in the fullness of time. Silencing either
side, shooting either messenger will only support the emergent
politics. It will not support the emergent truth.

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You are an idiot. Again. Your blathering that "science is religion"
does not make it so, and only undescores your complete
misunderstanding of what science and the scientific process is.

Religion is the belief in something without the tiniest shred of
evidence. It often equals poltiics, especially these days.

Science is quite the opposite - science is skepticism until
overwhelming evidence is in. Learn the difference. Or not - continue
to be an ignorant idiot, I don't care.

bpnjensen wrote:

You are an idiot. Again. Your blathering that "science is religion"
does not make it so, and only undescores your complete
misunderstanding of what science and the scientific process is.

Religion is the belief in something without the tiniest shred of
evidence. It often equals poltiics, especially these days.

Science is quite the opposite - science is skepticism until
overwhelming evidence is in. Learn the difference. Or not - continue
to be an ignorant idiot, I don't care.


Someone once said that an atheist is someone without invisible means of
support.

Then there was:

Christianity = The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own
father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and
telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove
an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a
rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree..



mike


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And, as always, don't leave your children unattended anywhere in
Holland, Michigan. Many, many undesirable backwater types live there.

They have at least one dufus who once claimed to have been the Supreme
Commander of a gay paramilitary sauna club and fantasized about 'blowing
away' Canada, and who knows, there may be many more dufi there.