On 10/15/2011 5:58 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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John wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
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On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









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John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
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John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

Regards,
JS

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?

On 10/16/11 2:09 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?


work 4 times as well doing what? Word processing, spreadsheets and most
other office and home type programs for the average computer user, don't
benefit much from all the 'improvements' that you gamers talk about all
the time.




--
Lloyd

"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/16/11 2:09 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?


work 4 times as well doing what?

The number of people buying them.

In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/16/11 2:09 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?


work 4 times as well doing what?

The number of people buying them.


So in other words, nothing like what you said.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/16/11 2:09 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya
gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of
Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping
this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one,
the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?


work 4 times as well doing what?

The number of people buying them.


So in other words, nothing like what you said.

Certainly it does.

By your standard of people buying them......they work 4 times as well,
because 4 times as many people buy them.

Don't blame me because you don't understand your own standard.

In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

No. They do not.


So what's your point?

Most people have neither the interest nor the knowledge to build their
own systems.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Alan Baker wrote in
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In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two!
Ya gotta love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of
Linux you want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay,
newegg, etc. you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping
this, but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent
one, the ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal
people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

No. They do not.


So what's your point?

Most people have neither the interest nor the knowledge to build their
own systems.


Most people don't need either the interest or the knowledge. They go to
a local computer dealer, discuss their needs and the dealer will usually
build it for them. Now, if that dealer is a place like Best Buy or
Costco, yes, you will get a brand name product....if the dealer is an
independent, then the system will most likely be built by the dealer him
or herself.

--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya
gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks,
or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping
this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one,
the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

No. They do not.

Sure they do, according to the standard you set above. Since at least 4
times as many people have them, then they most work well for four times as
many normal people.



So what's your point?

Most people have neither the interest nor the knowledge to build their
own systems.

yawn

I've already shot that assertion down....so why do you keep repeating it?

Do you think if you say it enough times, that the facts will suddenly
change?