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That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland |
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The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
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You argue your case well RJ and I suppose in the years to come the thrill of
dxing will be tuning into the low power local stations that remain on the many new clear channels. In a strange way its going back in time before the days of the superpower transmitters. "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
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"" wrote: The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks The reality is that ever since I've been exposed to this hobby, (around 1966 or so), there have been those who've been claiming that shortwave is dead. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. So, what does bandwidth cost, so you can have more than one "listener?" Bill, K5BY |
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Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks And where did RJ get this 'no reception problems' crap? For starters, I doubt that any radio service has the backbone facilities to cover even a small percentage of their SW audience over the internet. As well, the internet is not the best connection medium to start with. Heavy net traffic in a given area clogs up audio and video streams. I'm always having trouble with streamed media, even with a broadband (two, in fact) connection. And when that signal drops out, you have nothing until the congestion goes away... at least with good old analog SW, you can hear SOMETHING as the signal fades.. |
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Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ;
Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan In article , "Richard" writes: Subject: SW has a future! From: "Richard" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:16:58 +0200 Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message .. . The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
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"RJ" wrote in message ... On 11 Jun 2004 22:44:54 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ; Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; They can power up a PC, Write their message in multiple languages. advantage; Besides being cheaper for the "broadcaster" It actually reaches the PC literate in a country, and chances are they're the people you want to reach. Back to SWLing; Perhaps my view is colored by SWLing in the US, where it's probably the hobby of a few, rather than the communication media for the many. I guess there are countrys where folks rely on SW for their news/info/entertainment...... But then, wouldn't they listen to their own country feeds ?? Short answer: Usually not. Most of the countries that count on SW for their news and such are also countries where the government (and therefor government owned radio) is much more likely than not to lie to them, and they want to hear from other sources. This is why SW broadcasting began in the first place. In most of those smaller countries, SW cannot serve the country itself, because of the skip zone. |
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