On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:18:47 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:11:09 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:
(snip)
Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation.
(snip)

Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future. I agree with that
assessment.

Greg


Truth is I ignore most of the stuff I hear. I do think that people are
way to quick to assess blame. It seems to me that the Mayor and
Governor could have helped prevent some of the tragedies. Don't you
think people need to start helping themselves and quit depending on a
government handout?

I then hear what dion says and I've really got to laugh. She can sing
but she sure can't think. She makes it sound like going to war happens
in a few short minutes. She does not realize that it was months and
months in the planning stages. I think the what has happened in a mere
week is truly a miracle. Can you imagine the logistics involved in the
relief effort?

In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

I saw some people on tv and I heard some people on some local Jackson
radio stations who said,if bush was running for relection now,there is
no d..n way in hell they would vote for him! and neither would I.I have
an email from Tex Houston www.ranchgazette.com in the Crawford,Texas
or Midland,Texas area.The email dates back to about 2002. (I think,I
would have to dig it up and check it,I sent it to one of my other webtv
user names for storage) It is a short email from Tex Houston and part of
his email to me pertains to the fact most of the people in the
Crawford,Texas area are disapointed with bush.Look,I didn't quit the
GOP,the d..n GOP QUIT me!
cuhulin

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:


Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg

This is what happens when you put a PR director from the Arabian Horse
Breeder's Association in charge of disaster preparation.

While Americans were drowning in Louisiana, Bush was mugging for the
press in San Diego, completely oblivious to the gravity of the
situation. He is disconnected. But even worse, his handlers are
disconeected.

To add insult to injury, Ms. Rice refused to cut short her New York
shopping adventure.

''The haves...and the have mores.''.

"Greg" wrote in message
...


From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood
in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting
roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within
hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that
took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that
took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a
host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has
begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The
USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the
problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower
with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you
or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or
will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch
a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date,
having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting
with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the
urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane
ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more
appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of
back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on
a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told
to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived.
Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this
NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this
enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg


Morning Greg

And how the head leader of "HomeLand Security" Michael Chertoff that the bow
legged hick put in charge. Even Bill O Reilly said this guy should be fired.
He had "no idea" what was going on even though it was ALL OVER THE TV ON
EVERY CHANNEL and ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWPAPER. He had "no idea"
people were abandoned in the Superdome.

Of course, we know he is a blatant liar like his boss bush. That has to be
the lamest excuse I ever heard. Everybody knew what was going on in NO, BUT,
the HEAD of our "Homeland Security" didn't know what was going on. If it's
true he's the most inept moron in the world in charge of our protection. If
it's a lie, he is still the most inept moron in charge of your families
protection but is also a biggot and doesn't actually believe in his faith.
Gee I thought bush {Flight Suit Man} only appointed "righteous" people??

What this event did is show the world and terrorists that the bush
administration is totally inept, nothing but "talk", all about bull****,
nothing to back themselves up, no leadership, no proper critical
communications in an emergency and how they view their own poor people.

The terrorists see a target that will collapse under easy conditions. Much
easier then they thought. This event taught them much thanks to bush and his
appointed buddies.

Now YOU ARE THE TARGET EVEN MORE then before.

I am embarrassed by bush and his total administration. Yes embarrassed by
the rest of the world. G-D forbid if this was a terrorist attack of the
deadly kind. A bio or dirty bomb and bush would go hide in some bunker along
with cheney and his gay buddy Rove.

As you can see, Homeland Security is nothing but a shame put on to impress
dunmmies like dxace, beerbrain,jd and their kind. You see, they believe it
truly exists and works. They don't think this is major catastrophe in itself
besides the hurricane. They see nothing else but "bad weather". Amazing
isn't it.

Yes, people around the world and the terrorists see who we really are and
how we act under chaos and confusion under this administration.

The hurricane happened on Monday.I still can't believe that Chertoff had the
audacity, the lack of respect for the Americans people intelligence, to say
on Thurs he had NO IDEA that people were stranded in the Superdome with NO
FOOD, WATER, MEDICINES OR SECURITY.

So by Thurs, the leader, head honcho of our "Homeland Security said, "I had
no idea" blah blah blah....

Now go be good blobs of human waste and have another beer while wearing your
Radio cap and living off the public.

Lucky

I just heard on local radio that at this time,only emergency personel
and utility workers will be allowed South of the Railroad tracks in
Gulfport.There is a gas leak South of the Railroad tracks.Gulfport and
Biloxi are NOT gone,they are coming back.
cuhulin

What we need is nienty nine point nienty nine percent LESS govt.Starting
from the top level down.They should ALL be FIRED.So,I wonder where bush
will be having his stupid staged Photo Ops today? I hope he stays OUT!
of Mississippi so Mississippi can get on with rebuilding after Katrina.
cuhulin

Lucky wrote:

"Greg" wrote in message
...


From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood
in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting
roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within
hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that
took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that
took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a
host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has
begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The
USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the
problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower
with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you
or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or
will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch
a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date,
having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting
with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the
urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane
ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more
appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of
back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on
a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told
to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived.
Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this
NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this
enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg


Morning Greg

And how the head leader of "HomeLand Security" Michael Chertoff that the bow
legged hick put in charge. Even Bill O Reilly said this guy should be fired.
He had "no idea" what was going on even though it was ALL OVER THE TV ON
EVERY CHANNEL and ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWPAPER. He had "no idea"
people were abandoned in the Superdome.

Of course, we know he is a blatant liar like his boss bush. That has to be
the lamest excuse I ever heard. Everybody knew what was going on in NO, BUT,
the HEAD of our "Homeland Security" didn't know what was going on. If it's
true he's the most inept moron in the world in charge of our protection. If
it's a lie, he is still the most inept moron in charge of your families
protection but is also a biggot and doesn't actually believe in his faith.
Gee I thought bush {Flight Suit Man} only appointed "righteous" people??

What this event did is show the world and terrorists that the bush
administration is totally inept, nothing but "talk", all about bull****,
nothing to back themselves up, no leadership, no proper critical
communications in an emergency and how they view their own poor people.

The terrorists see a target that will collapse under easy conditions. Much
easier then they thought. This event taught them much thanks to bush and his
appointed buddies.

Now YOU ARE THE TARGET EVEN MORE then before.

I am embarrassed by bush and his total administration. Yes embarrassed by
the rest of the world. G-D forbid if this was a terrorist attack of the
deadly kind. A bio or dirty bomb and bush would go hide in some bunker along
with cheney and his gay buddy Rove.

As you can see, Homeland Security is nothing but a shame put on to impress
dunmmies like dxace, beerbrain,jd and their kind. You see, they believe it
truly exists and works. They don't think this is major catastrophe in itself
besides the hurricane. They see nothing else but "bad weather". Amazing
isn't it.

Yes, people around the world and the terrorists see who we really are and
how we act under chaos and confusion under this administration.

The hurricane happened on Monday.I still can't believe that Chertoff had the
audacity, the lack of respect for the Americans people intelligence, to say
on Thurs he had NO IDEA that people were stranded in the Superdome with NO
FOOD, WATER, MEDICINES OR SECURITY.

So by Thurs, the leader, head honcho of our "Homeland Security said, "I had
no idea" blah blah blah....

Now go be good blobs of human waste and have another beer while wearing your
Radio cap and living off the public.

The other day it was a Diego Garcia cap, today it's a radio cap.

You are one delusional ****stain there boy!

Now go take your meds and calm down.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
"John Plimmer" wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating
flood in my little town in 2002. The skies had not even cleared from
the raging storm when the air force choppers arrived in force. They
rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot police to prevent looting. Although the flood put out water
supplies, washed away our connecting roads, power and sewerage
systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours and all
services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was
immensely grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue
effort that took place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled
machine.

What happened to mighty America...??? What did the Federal Emergency
Management Agency do...??? Heads should roll for this debacle - it is
inexcusable in a superpower with all America's vast resources.

I think that basically you fail to grasp the enormity of the situation.
It will take time for enough resources to get there to make a difference.
This is not a little town but a large city with several 100,000's of
people that did not make it out in time. It's going to take years and
billions of dollars to rebuild that city and infrastructure and many
billions more to make sure it does not happen again.

FEMA had supplies in place the day before the hurricane made landfall in
the gulf but getting those supplies in or the people out became a
logistical nightmare with the city flooding. Early rescue attempts by
chopper were thwarted by looting and sniper fire. The city was not under
control of its own police force.

The order of blame in any delayed response should be on the city New
Orleans then the state, which have a first responsibility in the
disaster. The city and the state failed to have situation in hand giving
enough time for a federal response to take place. It's not surprising
that it takes time for large amounts of supplies and personal from other
states to make it there.

I've been listening to the international SW coverage from several
countries and although they convey the severity of the damage it is
hard to get an idea of the scale of the damage.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Metro area population of greater New Orleans is between about two
million to two and a half million people,normaly.Katrina had an affect
on the population of New Orleans.
cuhulin