From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date, having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date, having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg



Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation. Everybody wants to point their finger at the federal
government. What New Orleans residents need to do is take a long look
at themselves. There they might find the root of their problem.

On a side note, I love where Celine Dion donated one million dollars
and the proceeded to bash the US government. Nothing like using your
heart felt donation to bash the war in Iraq. You might not agree with
the war but you should at least separate the two. It was a typical
stupid canuck ploy. The kind we are used to here on RRS.

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:11:09 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:
(snip)
Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation.
(snip)

Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future. I agree with that
assessment.

Greg

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:18:47 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:11:09 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:
(snip)
Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation.
(snip)

Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future. I agree with that
assessment.

Greg


Truth is I ignore most of the stuff I hear. I do think that people are
way to quick to assess blame. It seems to me that the Mayor and
Governor could have helped prevent some of the tragedies. Don't you
think people need to start helping themselves and quit depending on a
government handout?

I then hear what dion says and I've really got to laugh. She can sing
but she sure can't think. She makes it sound like going to war happens
in a few short minutes. She does not realize that it was months and
months in the planning stages. I think the what has happened in a mere
week is truly a miracle. Can you imagine the logistics involved in the
relief effort?

In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Dunkirk was a disaster.In some ways,it probally would have been another
"Dunkirk".
cuhulin

"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)


Yes Mark,

Fox news to me is a gov't channel. They do lie, make money by exploiting the
dead, make believe they are against a lot of things bush and his
administration does, but they do that to gain more audience by not
alienating the left completely. This means more hits for them to show
companies for commercials which means higher rates and more cash in their
greedy little pockets.

The hand pick their employees just right.
Are they "on our side"? Do they have believable and trusting faces? Can they
lie good? Are they true republican supporters?

It's funny how O Reilly exploits whatever and whomever he can. But did he
talk about the new eminent domain laws?

NO

Did he talk about Jeff Gannon, the homosexual G.I. hooker and prostitute
who had security clearance to enter and roam the White House at his own
will?

NO he never covered the topic. Never.

IF this was done by Democratics, you KNOW how he would have talked about it
for weeks in a row. Look how they covered Clinton and his little affair? Can
you just imagine what these holy right wingers would have done with this
story were it Dems who did it??

The media in this country is tightly controlled. They are owned and run by
highly motivated political power players like Rupert Murdoch. News Corp and
Fox news for example.

Take our radio stations. The majority are run by a couple companies and
people with political connections.

You can't get the real truth anymore. At least on SW you can get some real
views by outside governments who are NOT SCARED of bush and his power
connections. Good for them.

But, as David stated here once, they are trying to do away with that source
of info too.

Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)


Yes Mark,

Fox news to me is a gov't channel. They do lie, make money by exploiting the
dead, make believe they are against a lot of things bush and his
administration does, but they do that to gain more audience by not
alienating the left completely. This means more hits for them to show
companies for commercials which means higher rates and more cash in their
greedy little pockets.

The hand pick their employees just right.
Are they "on our side"? Do they have believable and trusting faces? Can they
lie good? Are they true republican supporters?

It's funny how O Reilly exploits whatever and whomever he can. But did he
talk about the new eminent domain laws?

NO

Did he talk about Jeff Gannon, the homosexual G.I. hooker and prostitute
who had security clearance to enter and roam the White House at his own
will?

NO he never covered the topic. Never.

IF this was done by Democratics, you KNOW how he would have talked about it
for weeks in a row. Look how they covered Clinton and his little affair? Can
you just imagine what these holy right wingers would have done with this
story were it Dems who did it??

The media in this country is tightly controlled. They are owned and run by
highly motivated political power players like Rupert Murdoch. News Corp and
Fox news for example.

Take our radio stations. The majority are run by a couple companies and
people with political connections.

You can't get the real truth anymore. At least on SW you can get some real
views by outside governments who are NOT SCARED of bush and his power
connections. Good for them.

But, as David stated here once, they are trying to do away with that source
of info too.

Calm down and take your meds.

By the way, after that eBay debacle and the current bunch of crap you're spewing
here, wouldn't you think it appropriate to change your name from "Lucky" to
"Stupid"?

Now run along and see if mommy will let you pretend you're playing with your
radio.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I saw some people on tv and I heard some people on some local Jackson
radio stations who said,if bush was running for relection now,there is
no d..n way in hell they would vote for him! and neither would I.I have
an email from Tex Houston www.ranchgazette.com in the Crawford,Texas
or Midland,Texas area.The email dates back to about 2002. (I think,I
would have to dig it up and check it,I sent it to one of my other webtv
user names for storage) It is a short email from Tex Houston and part of
his email to me pertains to the fact most of the people in the
Crawford,Texas area are disapointed with bush.Look,I didn't quit the
GOP,the d..n GOP QUIT me!
cuhulin

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:


Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg

This is what happens when you put a PR director from the Arabian Horse
Breeder's Association in charge of disaster preparation.

While Americans were drowning in Louisiana, Bush was mugging for the
press in San Diego, completely oblivious to the gravity of the
situation. He is disconnected. But even worse, his handlers are
disconeected.

To add insult to injury, Ms. Rice refused to cut short her New York
shopping adventure.

''The haves...and the have mores.''.