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Uzytkownik "Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 15/04/2012 09:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

But you wrote that your radio have the earth/chassis.


The point that you are missing is that the earth connection has NOTHING
to do with transmitting or receiving a signal. If is merely there for
safety in the event of a lightening strike or build up or static.


So the radio have the earth/chassis.

Ian's equipment will work no differently is the earth connection is
disconnected. Marconi was WRONG!!!!


And what about your equipment?
Is the earth connection disconnected?
S*


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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 15/04/2012 10:33, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
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On 15/04/2012 09:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

But you wrote that your radio have the earth/chassis.

The point that you are missing is that the earth connection has
NOTHING
to do with transmitting or receiving a signal. If is merely there for
safety in the event of a lightening strike or build up or static.


So the radio have the earth/chassis.

Ian's equipment will work no differently is the earth connection is
disconnected. Marconi was WRONG!!!!


And what about your equipment?
Is the earth connection disconnected?
S*



I have no earth connection, so it cannot be connected or disconnected.


Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least 120
buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the tower.
All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by welding,
brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion". From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna

Tell them that they are WRONG.
S*


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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least 120
buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the tower.
All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by welding,
brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion". From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna

Tell them that they are WRONG.
S*


It says "for AM broadcasters", not "for every transmitter".

Your conclusion that anything applying to a low frequency transmitter
for which it is impractical to build a balanced resonating antenna
applies to all transmitters in the universe is just wrong.
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least
120

buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the
tower. All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by
welding, brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion".
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna

Tell them that they are WRONG.
S*

Hello again Szczepan
The answer to your question is in that Wikipedia article. Read the
"Radiation Pattern" paragraph.

If you can get ham radio textbooks in your country then you'd understand a
lot better by reading a textbook on aerials.
Try http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Onl...tennas_37.html
and www.arrl.org/shop/Antennas/

I haven't seen an answer from you to my question which asked:
"Are you discussing resonant or non-resonant aerials, please?"

Best wishes, Ian.


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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least 120
buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the tower.
All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by welding,
brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion". From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna


Because they are talking specifically about a vertical, monopole antenna
mounted on the ground and fed at the base end.

They are NOT talking about antennas in general.

They are NOT talking about transmitters.

Tell them that they are WRONG.
S*


They are not wrong, you are just too stupid to understand what they ARE
talking about.





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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 15/04/2012 10:33, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 15/04/2012 09:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

But you wrote that your radio have the earth/chassis.

The point that you are missing is that the earth connection has
NOTHING
to do with transmitting or receiving a signal. If is merely there for
safety in the event of a lightening strike or build up or static.


So the radio have the earth/chassis.

Ian's equipment will work no differently is the earth connection is
disconnected. Marconi was WRONG!!!!


And what about your equipment?
Is the earth connection disconnected?
S*



I have no earth connection, so it cannot be connected or disconnected.


# Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least
120
# buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
# wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the
tower.
# All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by welding,
# brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion". From:
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna
#
# Tell them that they are WRONG.
# S*

Looks like you are either a troll or being deliberately dense. Reminds me
of the mechanical engineer guy on the group a while back who was making
fantastic claims for miniscule antennas.

At any rate:
PLONK ..._._

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In the statement about AM Broadcasters you state about the ideal ground
system & describe about the Radials but then ask why, That goes to show you
don't know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency, If you read farther you would have possibly learned something
but you don't want to learn just bother the group. Nowhere in what you wrote
does it state it is for static or what it is for except if you would read
farther it would have told you...What about a balanced antenna, It has no
earth connection & doesn't need one per your earth definition. If Maxwell
was alive today & had read about all the improvements & discoveries that
have been made & are still being made He would say He was wrong & that the
answer to your question is NO.....I see you have started a new thread called
Electron Gun but keep referring back to this thread for the answer. I'm
very sure you know nothing about a electron gun, or a vacuum tube....To bad
you don't know how to read or study & especially learn about anything...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 15/04/2012 10:33, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 15/04/2012 09:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

But you wrote that your radio have the earth/chassis.

The point that you are missing is that the earth connection has
NOTHING
to do with transmitting or receiving a signal. If is merely there for
safety in the event of a lightening strike or build up or static.

So the radio have the earth/chassis.

Ian's equipment will work no differently is the earth connection is
disconnected. Marconi was WRONG!!!!

And what about your equipment?
Is the earth connection disconnected?
S*



I have no earth connection, so it cannot be connected or disconnected.


Why than: "The ideal ground system forAM broadcasters comprises at least
120 buried copper or phosphor bronze radial wires at least one-quarter
wavelength long and a ground-screen in the immediate vicinity of the
tower. All the ground system components are bonded together, usually by
welding, brazing or using coin silversolder to help reduce corrosion".
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna

Tell them that they are WRONG.
S*



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U¿ytkownik "Howard K0ACF" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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In the statement about AM Broadcasters you state about the ideal ground
system & describe about the Radials but then ask why, That goes to show
you don't know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency, If you read farther you would have possibly learned something
but you don't want to learn just bother the group. Nowhere in what you
wrote does it state it is for static or what it is for except if you would
read farther it would have told you...What about a balanced antenna, It
has no earth connection & doesn't need one per your earth definition. If
Maxwell was alive today & had read about all the improvements &
discoveries that have been made & are still being made He would say He was
wrong & that the answer to your question is NO.....I see you have started
a new thread called Electron Gun but keep referring back to this thread
for the answer. I'm very sure you know nothing about a electron gun, or a
vacuum tube....To bad you don't know how to read or study & especially
learn about anything...


Is the field electron emission from the tip top of antenna or not?
I "do not know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency,"
S*


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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

U¿ytkownik "Howard K0ACF" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
In the statement about AM Broadcasters you state about the ideal ground
system & describe about the Radials but then ask why, That goes to show
you don't know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency, If you read farther you would have possibly learned something
but you don't want to learn just bother the group. Nowhere in what you
wrote does it state it is for static or what it is for except if you would
read farther it would have told you...What about a balanced antenna, It
has no earth connection & doesn't need one per your earth definition. If
Maxwell was alive today & had read about all the improvements &
discoveries that have been made & are still being made He would say He was
wrong & that the answer to your question is NO.....I see you have started
a new thread called Electron Gun but keep referring back to this thread
for the answer. I'm very sure you know nothing about a electron gun, or a
vacuum tube....To bad you don't know how to read or study & especially
learn about anything...


Is the field electron emission from the tip top of antenna or not?
I "do not know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency,"
S*


Not. There is no electron emission from an antenna when operated without
arcing, something that everyone except Tesla wants to avoid at all times.
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Is the field electron emission from the tip top of antenna or not?


No.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

After you have mastered that, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

After you have mastered that, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

If you can get this far, your question has been answered fully.

I "do not know anything about Antennas, Transmitters. Feedlines, Matching,
Efficiency,"


Obviously.




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