Ed Price wrote:
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
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Is anyone else being deluged with Virus/Worm email messages?
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Me too - 2000 per day.

Terrorist attack or just another up-and-coming Bill Gates?

G4FGQ, UK





I don't recall anything in Gates' career that's equivalent to the present
worm attack.
Do you have any factual backup for your off-hand slander?

He isn't responsible for this.

But he IS responsible for the abysmally poor software his company
writes. It is a litany of flaws.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote:
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
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Is anyone else being deluged with Virus/Worm email messages?
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Me too - 2000 per day.

Terrorist attack or just another up-and-coming Bill Gates?

G4FGQ, UK





I don't recall anything in Gates' career that's equivalent to the
present
worm attack.
Do you have any factual backup for your off-hand slander?

He isn't responsible for this.

But he IS responsible for the abysmally poor software his company
writes. It is a litany of flaws.

- Mike KB3EIA -


My point is that you should save your litanies for the correct occasions.
You can't respond to every net problem with a half-ass reference to
"Redmond" or "Gates".

In point of fact, this IS a terrorist attack. Although software should be
robust, the majority of your ire should be directed toward the terrorist
attacker.

Ed
WB6WSN

"Ed Price" wrote in message

I don't recall anything in Gates' career that's equivalent to the present
worm attack.
Do you have any factual backup for your off-hand slander?

Ed
WB6WSN

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he had as much hand in it as anyone. If
his company would quit selling reader software with enough holes to
qualify as swiss cheese, many of these macro viruses wouldn't have a
leg to stand on. I've had 100's of server returns accusing me of
spreading viruses, and also that I'm running Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2600.0000. But this is not the case. I use old bulletproof
netscape 3.1 to read mail. These viruses are a non issue to me. Why
are they an issue to a software that is supposed to be a step up from
the ancient reader I'm using? If everyone would quit running Billware
6.00.2600.0000, we could nip this macro virus thing in the bud.
Probably would stop 90% of it overnight. Heck, with all the latest
holes in these new win OS's they are spitting out, I'm temped to stay
with win98 a few more years. MK

"Mark Keith" wrote in message
om...
"Ed Price" wrote in message

I don't recall anything in Gates' career that's equivalent to the
present
worm attack.
Do you have any factual backup for your off-hand slander?

Ed
WB6WSN

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he had as much hand in it as anyone. If
his company would quit selling reader software with enough holes to
qualify as swiss cheese, many of these macro viruses wouldn't have a
leg to stand on. I've had 100's of server returns accusing me of
spreading viruses, and also that I'm running Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2600.0000. But this is not the case. I use old bulletproof
netscape 3.1 to read mail. These viruses are a non issue to me. Why
are they an issue to a software that is supposed to be a step up from
the ancient reader I'm using? If everyone would quit running Billware
6.00.2600.0000, we could nip this macro virus thing in the bud.
Probably would stop 90% of it overnight. Heck, with all the latest
holes in these new win OS's they are spitting out, I'm temped to stay
with win98 a few more years. MK

In other words, nothing factual, just "as far as I'm concerned." Thank you
for your rant.

Ed
WB6WSN

On 20 Sep 2003 21:45:27 -0700, (Mark Keith) wrote:

"Ed Price" wrote in message

I don't recall anything in Gates' career that's equivalent to the present
worm attack.
Do you have any factual backup for your off-hand slander?

Ed
WB6WSN

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he had as much hand in it as anyone. If
his company would quit selling reader software with enough holes to
qualify as swiss cheese, many of these macro viruses wouldn't have a
leg to stand on. I've had 100's of server returns accusing me of
spreading viruses, and also that I'm running Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2600.0000. But this is not the case. I use old bulletproof
netscape 3.1 to read mail. These viruses are a non issue to me. Why

I would respectfully suggest that you upgrade to one of the later
versions of Netscape. 3.1 is about as open to giving out your
information as any produced.

I run Netscape, Mozilla (slightly different but Netscape used a
Mozilla core) Thunderbird, and Pearl.

are they an issue to a software that is supposed to be a step up from
the ancient reader I'm using? If everyone would quit running Billware
6.00.2600.0000, we could nip this macro virus thing in the bud.

If every one would practice safe computing even Bill Ware would work
well.
Probably would stop 90% of it overnight. Heck, with all the latest

The users alone could prevent more than that. Remember that in *most*
cases they worms and viruses require the user to run them. Only
recently have the true viruses that run when you read them become much
of a problem.
holes in these new win OS's they are spitting out, I'm temped to stay

It's not the OS. IT's the mail and news readers and even then it's
more of a problem with the default settings. It's also a lack of
firewalls and virus checkers.

If people would just turn off java, HTML, the automated entry of
addresses into their address books, turn off the ability to
automatically run macros when opening a document, and not run
attachments until they verify who ever sent it did so on purpose.
there would be few successful viruses.

It's a knee jerk reaction to blame the OS (which do have lots of holes
in them), but in reality the blame for well over 90% of the problem
comes directly from us...the users.
How many people have you heard state that "they" only open attachments
from people they know. That virus, or worm had to get the address
form some where and it was in some ones address book.
with win98 a few more years. MK

The new ones are no worse than 98, or 98 SE.
And the early versions of Netscape were terrible for leaking
information about the user.

Computer People forget that over 90% of computer users are clueless.

Roger K8RI (Retired computer systems project manager)

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Roger Halstead wrote in message

I would respectfully suggest that you upgrade to one of the later
versions of Netscape. 3.1 is about as open to giving out your
information as any produced.

I only use it to read mail. I don't browse with it. Besides, thats a
different issue than the micro viruses being discussed. P.S I have
newer versions of netscape. KInd of like playing cards. Take your
pick.


It's a knee jerk reaction to blame the OS (which do have lots of holes
in them), but in reality the blame for well over 90% of the problem
comes directly from us...the users.

No, it's not a knee jerk reaction. The OS security problems I refer to
have nothing to do with the discussed macro viruses. They are
altogether different problems. Just as serious though. Probably more
so.



The new ones are no worse than 98, or 98 SE.

They sure are no better. I would say worse....But, it's not really
important. I don't have any trouble with any of these worms, viruses,
etc. So anything I say can hardly be called a knee jerk reaction. I
have plenty of unmolested time to think about it. MK

Cecil Moore wrote:

Is anyone else being deluged with Virus/Worm email messages?
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You are not alone! We are not alone! You can learn a bit about
it -- just hit google with 'swen virus' as a search term and look'
at any of the antivirus sites such as Symantec. It may take a while
before this one dies down!
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Yes.
In the last two or three days.
A lot of them.

pez
SV7BAX

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ...
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boy looks like you guys are getting the long end of the stick
i have had over 300 emails in the past 24 hours and i would say 100 of
them had virus attachments with them
thank the gods for spam filters and norton antivirus running all the time

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:53 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Is anyone else being deluged with Virus/Worm email messages?

Hi All,

Almost across the board, the problem is glaringly evident, and
certainly one you choose to live with. :-)

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
the body count associated with those reporting:
1000 overnight last night and about 2500 the day before
over 600
MB worth. So many that E-mail drive was filled on Friday.
2000 per day

Of ten current correspondents, 8 use insecure MS products and their
numbers of incoming mails are easily 10 fold over the two that are
not. (Walt, even though you now use Agent for news reading, you still
use Outlook Express for mail).

My count stands at 0 aside from the usual load of porn that Agent
filters directly into the bit bucket (perhaps one half to one dozen a
day).

This doesn't protect me entirely. My own ISP's newserver (being a
microsoft product) decided to whack out during the Blaster attack by
resetting my cable modem every 15 seconds (through the early hours
when I simply turned off my machine). Through the attack (again, my
machine was still off), I contacted Comcast's service line to get a
fellow pitifully scripted to provide no real answers:
him: "our network is currently down"
me: "are you using MS servers?"
him: "No"
me: "What are you doing about it?"
him: "We are in contact with MS about the problem."
me: (significant silence)
him: (keys banging away) "I cannot ping your modem."
me: "The network is down. Why did you even try?"
him: (significant silence)

For several weeks afterword, their still infected server was sending
infected e-mails in my behalf, using an old address (not even in my
machine anymore after being changed from AT&T) they keep for
forwarding. How do I know I wasn't infected? I corresponded daily
through another ISP (my co-host) without a hitch through the entire
period.

Visit:
http://grc.com/default.htm
to obtain security fixes BEFORE the viruses are diagnosed through
autopsy. I've been living quite free of these problems (aside from
stupid Comcast) WITHOUT ONE MS security (sic) upgrade for 8 years.

Now, as to you having made this choice of product and enjoying the
virtues of all the marketing concepts. MS has clearly described how
to fix these problems by turning all javascript and OLE switches off -
and I might add, never double clicking OE or IE.
feds: "When are you going to take care of these virus problems?"
MS: "Viruses are not our fault, prosecute the lawbreakers."

In today's Business section (Seattle):
"Goodby, Mr. Bill Gates?
Japan, South Korea and China
discuss working to promote Linux"
"But the Redmond-based company
said 'consumers and market forces,
not government preferences, should
determine software selection...'"

8 out of 10 here support MS's agenda, and it shows in the numbers.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC