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Old October 31st 05, 02:25 PM
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There are plenty of decent used linear amps out there if you want to go
that route, but if you think about it in dB, 1000W isn't _that_ much
more than 10W. Only a few S-units at the receiver.
--scott



Uhhhhh yeah it is. 1000w to 10 w is 20db ...




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Old October 31st 05, 02:34 PM
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In article ,
vt245 wrote:

There are plenty of decent used linear amps out there if you want to go
that route, but if you think about it in dB, 1000W isn't _that_ much
more than 10W. Only a few S-units at the receiver.


Uhhhhh yeah it is. 1000w to 10 w is 20db ...


Right, it's only 20 dB. That is far less than the day to day propagation
variations. Only 3 1/3 S-units. Not much at all.
--scott

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Old October 31st 05, 03:04 PM
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But..... 20dB can make all the difference in the world in being
heard.... and not being heard.

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
vt245 wrote:

There are plenty of decent used linear amps out there if you want to go
that route, but if you think about it in dB, 1000W isn't _that_ much
more than 10W. Only a few S-units at the receiver.


Uhhhhh yeah it is. 1000w to 10 w is 20db ...



Right, it's only 20 dB. That is far less than the day to day propagation
variations. Only 3 1/3 S-units. Not much at all.
--scott


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Old October 31st 05, 03:16 PM
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That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.

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Right, it's only 20 dB. That is far less than the day to day propagation
variations. Only 3 1/3 S-units. Not much at all.



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John N9JG wrote:
That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.


Sure, it's very noticeable. But, as someone running half a watt CW
these days, I can say that it's not everything.
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Old October 31st 05, 05:00 PM
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Agreed , QRP can be very cool.

I am finding similar results with PSK and helshreiber on less than 50 watts
with regular European contacts.

And yes, you can make bunches of CW contacts with a single 6L6.




"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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John N9JG wrote:
That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.


Sure, it's very noticeable. But, as someone running half a watt CW
these days, I can say that it's not everything.
--scott

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Old October 31st 05, 10:27 PM
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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John N9JG wrote:
That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.


Sure, it's very noticeable. But, as someone running half a watt CW
these days, I can say that it's not everything.
--scott

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The problem is a ham linear will not deliver 1000 watts carrier
power on AM. It would have to be rated for 4kW to do so.
PEP on AM is at least 4X carrier.

Pete


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Old October 31st 05, 11:19 PM
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Uncle Peter wrote:

The problem is a ham linear will not deliver 1000 watts carrier
power on AM. It would have to be rated for 4kW to do so.
PEP on AM is at least 4X carrier.

Pete


The current power limit for AM is 1500 watts PEP. This
means a carrier output of 375 watts. Easily obtainable
with the proper linear amp.

73, Roger


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Old November 1st 05, 12:27 AM
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Thanks for pointing this out. Unlike SSB, the legal limit for AM has been
reduced from what it had previously been.

"Roger D Johnson" wrote in message
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Uncle Peter wrote:

The problem is a ham linear will not deliver 1000 watts carrier
power on AM. It would have to be rated for 4kW to do so.
PEP on AM is at least 4X carrier.

Pete


The current power limit for AM is 1500 watts PEP. This
means a carrier output of 375 watts. Easily obtainable
with the proper linear amp.

73, Roger


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Old November 1st 05, 12:34 AM
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"Roger D Johnson" wrote in message
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Uncle Peter wrote:

The problem is a ham linear will not deliver 1000 watts carrier
power on AM. It would have to be rated for 4kW to do so.
PEP on AM is at least 4X carrier.

Pete


The current power limit for AM is 1500 watts PEP. This
means a carrier output of 375 watts. Easily obtainable
with the proper linear amp.

73, Roger




Roger

My point was, forget 10 or 20 dB improvement over a 40 signal.

Pete





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