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Part Deux
From N3CVJ: What type accountability is it you wish to foster upon those who dare say something on usenet with which you may disagree? There is nothing wrong with a healthy disagreement. But when you make unfounded character assassinations against those you disagree with and then run and hide behind your cloak of anonymity, that's not the sign of a mature person. If it were a true character assassination and something was injurous or libelous, and IF you actually believed that bull**** and cared enough to actually want to do something about it, there are simple channels to follow and remedy the situation. Are you suggesting that there are ways to identify someone who takes serious steps to hide their identity? If unfounded character assassinations (libel) was committed, absolutely. How? When people hide behind anonymous remailers, servers, public WIFI access nodes, and NAT routers, how can you find out exactly who they are? Do some homework on the wealth of information out there,,,visit some of the hacker sites and groups,,,how do you think the launchers of serious virus' are tracked down? In the fist manner, I was under the impression you were speaking of this group. Since it is now apparent you are experiencing problems of this nature somewhere else, I suggest you consult an attorney. They give free consults. If you need one specializing in internet related issues in your area, I will be more than happy to point you in the right direction. Or are you saying that we all should just have to deal with abusive insulting and libelous comments because they are not worth the trouble to pursue seriously? You said that. I'm asking if that is how you feel? If my emotions were to take over, I would simply trn the thing off and walk away. No one is forcing you to partake in what you view as an injurous electronic arena. It is your choice. The same "turn it to the left" mentality that abusive CBers use to force good people off of the CB band? The very idea that you feel "forced" by another has moved you to the point of wanting to force others to conform to your beliefs,,,nice. Decent people should be forced to yield to malcontents, rather than fight back? That is a personal decision and an apparent unresolved issue that plagues you. I believe in the example of not saying something on a forum, that you wouldn't have the cajones to say to someone's face. Very noble. Many agree with you. Obviously, those like Dogie, do not. Doug has personal issues of his own. ....and he fostered his personal issues on this group. Again, I ask of you, how would you he be held accountable for such behavior that you continue to rail against? I suspect they transcend those of radio operation. The fact is that being anonymous eliminates the small chance that the person you may insult might someday show up at your door to have you "explain" yourself in person, thereby removing that little bit of polite restraint you might otherwise have. I have incredible restraint and am overly polite, even to you in many instances when you began reambling off-topic with insult. I invite anyone who has a problem with me to come forward. How does one "come forward" if we don't know who you are or where you live? "We" lends the notion you are aware of someone, other than you, who shares your incredible identity obsessions and problem regarding myself. Care to specify? Who I am and where I live is personal information, something you claimed you didn't seek. Many know where I live. I am incredibly easy to find, as Doctor X recently found. Of course, those who do, encapsulate the very idea you are railing against...not identifying themselevs, only it doesn't bother me like it does you. I have an open door policy and will meet anyone from this group for coffee, fishing, or to continue our rec.radio.cb debates. Ok, I'm coming to Orlando in October. I might make a detour to Tampa. Where do you want to meet? My house. Are you driving? Bring a radio. I'll guide you right to my front door from the interstate. _ So far, I have met several from this forum and plan on meeting more. If I didn't fish for the day, and we didn't talk about politics or cb, I am certain you and I would get along just fine on the boat for an afternoon ride talking of nothing but hammie radio. Nothing wrong about talking about CB. I love the hobby (at least in the old days), and I could tell you a few good stories. But in order for you to talk authoritatively about hammie radio, that would imply that you are a ham yourself (or at least should be). You've implied similar before. The fact that you won't admit it one way or the other probably speaks more about your fear of identification, considering your admitted behavior on the freeband. No doubt about it. Using the freeband always runs the risk of being identified. But you can rest easy realizing that I just may, perhaps, have the best of both worlds and have for years. Don't worry, I have a whole website full of past antics, and no one has busted me yet. As I've said before, I have nothing to hide...... Nevertheless, this is not the law and doesn't apply to the majority. =A0=A0Anonymity is the enabler for people to act inappropriately, and rudely. Using the excuse that privacy overrides acting in a civilized manner is weak IMHO. No one suggested such..but the gist of it, is that American's are afforded the right to act like idiots, even it offends you to no end. Using the excuse that it ought be over-ridden is what is weak. So then you assert that an American's right to act like an anti-social idiot deserves more consideration than other people's right to expect civilized behavior in public places? You said that. You're wandering. You are confusing consideration with rights. There are very many things I can do well within my rights that offend you, in fact, I have no problem offending you with my legal rights merely because you disagree with them and my right to exercise them. _ Simply speaking one's opinion (however insulting or rude) is still a 1st amendment right, and ISP's are reluctant to go down that road. You weren't talking of an opinion, Davie, you spoke of character assassination. Character assassination is either based on truth, or opinion. Wrong. Truth is not character assassination. If the claims are true then they deserve to be brought out. If they are simply opinions, then it becomes a process to determine whether there was any "real" damage done. Again this becomes complicated if people "hide" well. But easily enforceable via a court of law. Having your identity known, at least tempers the temptation to act like a retard. And goes against everything the world of security experts and all isp's tell you. As far as I know, acting like "a retard" is perfectly legal, but if you had your way, anything you deemed 'acting like a retard" would most certainly be illegal. Acting rude, inconsiderate, or anti-social, is also not illegal, but it's not something a civilized person would do in a public forum. Therein lies the answer to what ails you. Not all people in public forums are civilized. Nevertheless, these traits you consider uncivilized, exist in these "bad" people you speak of, and unfortunately the word is made up of good AND bad people. So then what is your conclusion? That you have problems following your own claims and posts and have damn near destroyed the thread with your snips and edits., Should good people be turned away from public forums (Both radio and internet) by the behavior of the bad people? Your words. In fact, you are the only one seeking to do away with what you perceive as "bad" people,,,those that do not conform to your idea of identifying themselves. Do good people not have some right to protection from the worst of the bad people? Isn't this in the best interest of society? Is the right of privacy so important that you would allow it to supersede keeping public places to at least a minimum amount of decorum? It's not in my hands or yours, no matter how bad you wish you had that type control on usenet. |
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