Sorry Dave, had to run out for awhile. Let us carry on,,,,


Part III
From: N3CVJ
Why should this newsgroup be treated any

differently than an in-person venue?

I happen to agree with you on this item, but why should others be forced
or made to conform to our view? They shouldn't.

Why not?

Because they have the same rights as we do.


Personal freedom does not (or should not)

extend to the ruination of other people's

freedom or right of access.



And usenet does neither, nor does CB.
Your argument makes the point against the Patriot Act quite nicely,
though.


I would not want to make these activities

"illegal". If you want to act like a retard, by all

means, go for it! But we all have the right to

know who it is that is acting like the retard so

that they can properly face the repercussions

that that type of behavior brings.


No,,you don't have the right to know the identity of one just because
you feel he is acting like a retard.


If the behavior is continual and affects more

than just one person, then that changes

things.



Well now, the word "if" and the entrance of injurous posts constitutes
an entirely new concept and has no relation to you claiming you have the
right to know one's identity on usenet merely because you feel he is
"acting like a retard". Nice shuffle, but it non-effective.


But,,keeping with this thought you
put forward, you just described exactly what happened to Dogie.


As it should be. Everyone who acts in that

manner should be removed from society

where they can no longer harm the activities

of others.





Wrong." Acting like a retard" is not illegal.


That's what I mean by accountability. If you

had to "face the music" for acting

inappropriately, you would eventually adopt an
incentive to NOT act that way. The quality of

the forums would increase considerably.


What you feel constitutes "quality" is the opposite of what many others
feel. The loss of personal privacy in this world is never an improvement
in the quality of anything.


Why? Why should it matter if people know

who you are? Are you THAT paranoid?



Why is none of your concern. Why I choose to exercise my American
birthrights is none of your concern. Once again, you are owed no
explanation.

_
Shall we take those inquiries one at a time concerning those unanswered
claims you were asked to provide for? You said a cber was busted in your
area awhile back and went through the courts. I politely called you on
it and asked you to provide some of this "credibility" you speak of and
demand of the rest of the usenet world. You became insultive and began
attacking myself and going off-topic without providing anything but
lipservice. You have failed to produce any of this "credibility' you
demand of others, concerning your claim.

Gee, that's not the way I remember it.

We can post those posts one by one, if the n
eed be. Same with the Phelps. Perhaps it will jog your failing memory.

I remember making the claim that some I

knew personally was popped by local cops for

interference relating to his CB radio. You

challenged the validity of my claim,


AFTER you refused to cite a credible source, and only after did I
"challenge the validity" of your claim.


I don't have a credible source. I didn't "find"

the incident. I was personally involved with it.


Of course you don't and of course you were. There are those who insist
they were abducted by aliens who also have no credible source.


first by trying to find some sort of difference

between "a suburb of" and "suburban",

suggesting that I was lying.


You are lying now. YOU were the one to invoke the word "suburb", not I,
and you invoked it when the heat got to hot and you realized, like said,
the court documents would confirm your story. I note you originally
claimed it happened IN Philthadelphia,

I never EVER claimed that it happened IN

philthy. Never. I said that it happened in

SUBURBAN (Meaning in the suburbs) of



Exactly. And then you invoked Norristown, which is NOT a suburb of
Philthy, NOT on any area maps of Philthy, and pays no bills or taxes to
Philthy, and has no mail go through Philthy. It meets NONE of the
criteria for a suburb of Philthy, ,,in fact, it's nowhere near Philthy..


Philly. Why I chose that wording instead of just
saying that it happened in Norristown, should

be obvious.



It was.

This is an international forum. Ask someone

from another geographical area if they're ever

heard of a relatively small town (such as

Norristown) and they will most likely not. But

mention a popular city as a geographical point
of reference, and it's another story.
=A0



This being an international forum doesn't stop you from invoking
domestic (American) law, so you can;t invoke it as a defense for your
beahvior now.
_

=A0and when I pressed on, you began
the back pedal


What you call "back pedal" I call "clarification.

Nothing changed except the precise wording.


and insults, playing games and getting elusive and only then invoking
"suburban" Philly. You provided nothing to this day concerning this
alleged case except more posts full of lipservice and smoke..


What more do you want?


Umm....perhaps this credibility you always speak of . You hold one who
doesn't respond to your demands for personal information as not credible
on usenet. The rest of the world holds one who makes claims with no
substantiation as not credible.



I told you all the

details. I never knew the defendant's last

name (part of that anonymity aspect of CB)

only that the name he went by was "Floyd"

(Which from other people, is his middle name,

his fist name is Anthony). It happened in

Norristown Pa (A suburb of philly) in the late

90's.

When you failed to find any information


AFTER you claimed it was in Philly,


I never claimed it was IN philly.


Sure you did,,,here it is again:

"This happened about 5 years ago IN

suburban Philadelphia.."


You will not find any post which claims that.


See above.

That you feel that suburban philly means the

same thing as IN philly was your mistake.


Wrong. That you called it that with, once again, nothing to substantiate
it except your belief, does not consititute what makes a suburbia of a
city. Once again, some of those parameters are which defines a suburb of
a city are outlined above and Norristown meets none of them.



_
and AFTER you failed to provide
anything at all concerning this case other than your lipservice.

I don't need to go through the trouble to pacify

you.


Now if only you could apply that concept to yourself when demanding
personal information and accountability from others.....




If you want to go through the trouble to

request (at your cost) microfiche records,



No need. As far as a court of law would be concerned, I have presented
the burden of proof that your claims were false. I have been "pacified"
over this issue regardless or not of whether you feel that such is your
decision.


then

go for it. But because you can't find it on the

internet, does not mean that it doesn't exist,



The internet is but a single entity and only you assume such.



nor that I "lied" about it.

you again inferred that I was lying.

You were, and are.

Nope. It was the truth. I only wish I had a way

to prove it to you, so you can feel as foolish as
you should.



You are the one unable to provide for your claims. That you feel another
should feel foolish for your inability to do so is troubling.


Even when I told you the exact town,


You never said the exact town and if you did, you NEVER linked it with
the case you claim occurred or in the same thread. Since you claim
otherwise, force feed me some crow, Davie, and show the world where you
told me what town the cber got busted in and went to court. Just another
in that long line of unsubstantiated bull****,,,,


You asked for it, you got it: Enjoy your crow....

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3D...oup:rec.radio=
cb+authorave+author:Hall&hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&c2coff=3D1&selm=3D3E4=
93556.2BA%40worldlynx.net&rnum=3D1



There it is again,,,,Norristown, a town that has nothing to do with
Philadelphia except in your mind. You will find nothing anywhere
denoting Norristown as even remotely associated as a suburb of Philthy.
The more claims you make, the more you are unable to provide for.



you were

unable to find anything, which is not surprising
considering how poorly the town keeps

records..

But what have you actually proven?


That you can't correctly "recall" what occurred in past posts, but we
all realized that with your goof on the Phelps that you claimed you
owned, then when asked about your Phelps a few years later, replied
"What Phelps? I WISH I had a Phelps Stationmaster"...LOL,,THAT was the
exact antenna you claimed you owned a few years earler.


7 or 8 years earlier. An antenna that was a

part of a repeater system, not my own shack.



Not "a" repeater system,,,YOUR repeater system. You referred to it as
"my repeater".


B. That you were unable to locate any

information on the subject. (note that this

doesn't mean that there isn't any)


Your ASSuming ignorance in getting in the way of your sense. I looked
for nothing on any "subject". I specifically looked for the case you
cited as receiving a citation. It never happened.


You can't look for something and expect to f

ind much without key particulars,

like the defendant's name, which I can't give

you as I didn't know all of it.



YOU not being able to doesn't mean others are unable. And sure I can,
dave,,,I can do just that with the very simple process of elimination.
You start with the town and backtrack to the corresponding year or two
which you already gave us indirectly,,from there, one eliminates all
charges except for discorderly conduct. From there, it's a matter of
checking those charged with the offense in the corresponding time frame
and walla walla,,,,,,,,,,and that is but one way of many and by far the
easiest.


Not all information is available on the internet.


Exactly, so I have no clue why you continue to assume it is.


I am telling it as someone who was there who

knew the party involved. I know what

happened. If that isn't enough for you, then so

be it.


Hehe,,it's not me,,it's the law of the land when it comes right down to
it,,the burden of proof is always on the claimant. It is not like a
scientist yelling "The world is flat. I dare you to disprove
me....haha". One doesn't need disprove another's ramblings concerning
their own specialty. In such cases, one merely asks them for their proof
and watches them fall apart.


It's true as far as I'm concerned. You made it

one of your life's goals to disprove it.


Actually, I merely asked you to provide for it and instead of simply
saying you are unable (as I have always maintained), like you finally
did today, you insuted me with a barrage of off-topic remarks. Your
life's goals are much more pertinent than mine here, as you consider
bitching on the internet usenet groups a means of contributing to
changing that of which you don't like and disagree.


If you want to believe that I lied, then feel free.
It doesn't make nay difference to me, or to the

guy who had to pay a fine because of it

Defending my position and questioning your

logic is hardly "attacking" you on a personal

level.

`

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:18:11 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

Sorry Dave, had to run out for awhile. Let us carry on,,,,

I enjoy the civil tone. As long as it stays this way, I'm cool.

Part III
From: N3CVJ
Why should this newsgroup be treated any
differently than an in-person venue?

I happen to agree with you on this item, but why should others be forced
or made to conform to our view? They shouldn't.

Why not?

Because they have the same rights as we do.


Personal freedom does not (or should not)
extend to the ruination of other people's
freedom or right of access.


And usenet does neither, nor does CB.

When legally operating people are shouted off of CB radio by illegal
stations "squashing mud ducks", their right of access has been
infringed. On Usenet, no one can "squash" a "mud duck" every one is
allowed to voice their opinions. But there are no restraints for those
who can't maintain a civil tone.


Your argument makes the point against the Patriot Act quite nicely,
though.

In what way?


I would not want to make these activities
"illegal". If you want to act like a retard, by all
means, go for it! But we all have the right to
know who it is that is acting like the retard so
that they can properly face the repercussions
that that type of behavior brings.


No,,you don't have the right to know the identity of one just because
you feel he is acting like a retard.

There would be no question about whether or not someone is acting like
a retard. This is beyond the subjective opinion of one user over
another.


If the behavior is continual and affects more
than just one person, then that changes
things.



Well now, the word "if" and the entrance of injurous posts constitutes
an entirely new concept and has no relation to you claiming you have the
right to know one's identity on usenet merely because you feel he is
"acting like a retard". Nice shuffle, but it non-effective.

What did you think I meant when I used the term "acting like a
retard"? A simple disagreement of opinion does not qualify as "acting
like a retard". Someone who acts like a retard is someone who
contributes nothing positive and verbally harasses the regular users
to the point that they take the fun out of participation.


But,,keeping with this thought you
put forward, you just described exactly what happened to Dogie.


As it should be. Everyone who acts in that
manner should be removed from society
where they can no longer harm the activities
of others.





Wrong." Acting like a retard" is not illegal.

Neither is listening to loud rap music outside. But do it at 1:00 Am
and guaranteed the cops will be there to "oppress" your right, for the
betterment of the rest of the community.


That's what I mean by accountability. If you
had to "face the music" for acting
inappropriately, you would eventually adopt an
incentive to NOT act that way. The quality of
the forums would increase considerably.


What you feel constitutes "quality" is the opposite of what many others
feel. The loss of personal privacy in this world is never an improvement
in the quality of anything.

Why? What would you do differently if suddenly we all knew who you
were? It certainly wouldn't change how I interact as I'm already
up-front about who I am.


Why? Why should it matter if people know
who you are? Are you THAT paranoid?

Why is none of your concern.

But is undoubtedly the whole reason why you defend this notion so
vehemently.


Why I choose to exercise my American
birthrights is none of your concern. Once again, you are owed no
explanation.

That you would flaunt you rights as an excuse to allow people to
victimize other people at the expense of their rights is also telling.


I remember making the claim that some I
knew personally was popped by local cops for
interference relating to his CB radio. You
challenged the validity of my claim,


AFTER you refused to cite a credible source, and only after did I
"challenge the validity" of your claim.


I don't have a credible source. I didn't "find"
the incident. I was personally involved with it.


Of course you don't and of course you were. There are those who insist
they were abducted by aliens who also have no credible source.

That doesn't mean that it didn't happen.




first by trying to find some sort of difference
between "a suburb of" and "suburban",
suggesting that I was lying.


You are lying now. YOU were the one to invoke the word "suburb", not I,
and you invoked it when the heat got to hot and you realized, like said,
the court documents would confirm your story. I note you originally
claimed it happened IN Philthadelphia,

I never EVER claimed that it happened IN
philthy. Never. I said that it happened in
SUBURBAN (Meaning in the suburbs) of


Exactly. And then you invoked Norristown, which is NOT a suburb of
Philthy, NOT on any area maps of Philthy, and pays no bills or taxes to
Philthy, and has no mail go through Philthy. It meets NONE of the
criteria for a suburb of Philthy, ,,in fact, it's nowhere near Philthy..

It IS a suburb of philly, as it resides in an area which surrounds
the city area. In any case it was your hangup of semantics that caused
you to look in the wrong place. The worst you can accuse me of is
incorrectly stating the location. It doesn't change the particulars.

Oh, and thank you for admitting that I DID provide the name of the
exact town.



Philly. Why I chose that wording instead of just
saying that it happened in Norristown, should
be obvious.


This is an international forum. Ask someone
from another geographical area if they're ever
heard of a relatively small town (such as
Norristown) and they will most likely not. But
mention a popular city as a geographical point
of reference, and it's another story.

This being an international forum doesn't stop you from invoking
domestic (American) law, so you can;t invoke it as a defense for your
beahvior now.

American law applies to me as I am a citizen of America. But as a
referential courtesy to those who don't line in "my neck of the woods"
I used general locational terms. I never intended to be detail
specific at the time I posted it. That you took it as such is a
failing on your part.



What more do you want?


Umm....perhaps this credibility you always speak of . You hold one who
doesn't respond to your demands for personal information as not credible
on usenet. The rest of the world holds one who makes claims with no
substantiation as not credible.



I told you all the
details. I never knew the defendant's last
name (part of that anonymity aspect of CB)
only that the name he went by was "Floyd"
(Which from other people, is his middle name,
his fist name is Anthony). It happened in
Norristown Pa (A suburb of philly) in the late
90's.
When you failed to find any information


AFTER you claimed it was in Philly,

I never claimed it was IN philly.


Sure you did,,,here it is again:
"This happened about 5 years ago IN
suburban Philadelphia.."

Suburban philadelphia is not the same thing as being in the city of
philadelphia. If I had intended to state that it was in the city I
would have said "in the city of Philadelphia".
You still won't admit your mistake.


That you feel that suburban philly means the
same thing as IN philly was your mistake.


Wrong. That you called it that with, once again, nothing to substantiate
it except your belief, does not consititute what makes a suburbia of a
city. Once again, some of those parameters are which defines a suburb of
a city are outlined above and Norristown meets none of them.

Not in the minds of the people who live here, all of whom refer to
themselves as living in the suburbs of phila. Even as far out in the
sticks as I now live even the news media refers to this area as the
"philadelphia suburbs". But I guess all these people are wrong and you
are right?

If I was making the whole thing up, do you think I would waste so much
time on semantics? What difference does it make now? You know where
exactly it happened now, so to continue to argue the point now is
counterproductive and wasteful of bandwidth.




If you want to go through the trouble to
request (at your cost) microfiche records,



No need. As far as a court of law would be concerned, I have presented
the burden of proof that your claims were false. I have been "pacified"
over this issue regardless or not of whether you feel that such is your
decision.

This is the internet remember, there is no accountability. So anything
that anyone says is already suspect.


You are the one unable to provide for your claims. That you feel another
should feel foolish for your inability to do so is troubling.


Even when I told you the exact town,


You never said the exact town and if you did, you NEVER linked it with
the case you claim occurred or in the same thread. Since you claim
otherwise, force feed me some crow, Davie, and show the world where you
told me what town the cber got busted in and went to court. Just another
in that long line of unsubstantiated bull****,,,,


You asked for it, you got it: Enjoy your crow....

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=No...x.net&rnum= 1



There it is again,,,,Norristown, a town that has nothing to do with
Philadelphia except in your mind. You will find nothing anywhere
denoting Norristown as even remotely associated as a suburb of Philthy.

Except by the people who live here. I don't purport to know what the
people in the greater Tampa area should refer to themselves as, so I
would expect that you not be so presumptuous as to assume the same
from my area.



Not "a" repeater system,,,YOUR repeater system. You referred to it as
"my repeater".

I built it. I am a 1/3 of an owner of it. It is NOT located at my


You can't look for something and expect to f

ind much without key particulars,

like the defendant's name, which I can't give

you as I didn't know all of it.



YOU not being able to doesn't mean others are unable. And sure I can,
dave,,,I can do just that with the very simple process of elimination.
You start with the town and backtrack to the corresponding year or two
which you already gave us indirectly,,from there, one eliminates all
charges except for discorderly conduct. From there, it's a matter of
checking those charged with the offense in the corresponding time frame
and walla walla,,,,,,,,,,and that is but one way of many and by far the
easiest.

Not disorderly conduct, it was disturbing the peace. Get it right.
And you still assume that this information is on the internet. It may
not be. The incident occurred in the 1996-1998 time frame


Not all information is available on the internet.


Exactly, so I have no clue why you continue to assume it is.

Then use your "magic" to produce the info. Although once you find it,
I suspect you will not admit it. You don't strike me as someone who
takes being proven wrong all that well.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:18:11 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
Sorry Dave, had to run out for awhile. Let us carry on,,,,

I enjoy the civil tone. As long as it stays this

way, I'm cool.
_
K...back again.

Part III
From: N3CVJ

Why should this newsgroup be treated any

differently than an in-person venue?

I happen to agree with you on this item, but why should others be forced
or made to conform to our view? They shouldn't.

Why not?

Because they have the same rights as we do.

=A0=A0Personal freedom does not (or should not)

extend to the ruination of other people's

freedom or right of access.

And usenet does neither, nor does CB.
_
When legally operating people are shouted off
of CB radio by illegal stations "squashing mud

ducks", their right of access has been

infringed.



Please show me any document speaking of this a RIGHT to access you
claims exist.






On Usenet, no one can "squash" a "mud duck"
every one is allowed to voice their opinions.

But there are no restraints for those who can't

maintain a civil tone.



Nonetheless. civility is not a legal requirement, and once again, usenet
"can not extend to the ruin of another's freedom." In fact, the ONLY
thing that can lead to such a thing is a crime and/or incarceration
_
Your argument makes the point against the Patriot Act quite nicely,
though.

In what way?

Read the part you snipped, it illustrates it perfectly.
_
I would not want to make these activities

"illegal". If you want to act like a retard, by all

means, go for it! But we all have the right to

know who it is that is acting like the retard so

that they can properly face the repercussions

that that type of behavior brings.


No,,you don't have the right to know the identity of one just because
you feel he is acting like a retard.

There would be no question about whether or

not someone is acting like a retard. This is

beyond the subjective opinion of one user

over another.

If the behavior is continual and affects more

than just one person, then that changes

things.



Whatever. You STILL don't have the right
to know the indentity of one merely because you lend your personal
opinion that one is "acting like a retard".

_
Well now, the word "if" and the entrance of
injurous posts constitutes an entirely new concept and has no relation
to you claiming you have the right to know one's identity on usenet
merely because you feel he is "acting like a retard". Nice shuffle, but
it non-effective.

What did you think I meant when I used the

term "acting like a retard"?


Since you solidified how objective the term can be, it can actually mean
whatever you wish it to mean. Nevertheless, because *YOU* feel one is
acting in a certainmanner not in conformity with your beliefs gives you
no right to know anything concerning their identity.

_
A simple disagreement of opinion does not

qualify as "acting like a retard".


You are the one needing to qualify what he term *you* initiated as term
extremely "objective".


Someone who acts like a retard is someone

who contributes nothing positive and verbally

harasses the regular users to the point that

they take the fun out of participation.



That is ridiculous. "Retard" is a poitically incorrect offensive term
for one who suffers from diminished mental capacity confirmed by a
American licensed MD.

_
But,,keeping with this thought you
put forward, you just described exactly what happened to Dogie.

As it should be. Everyone who acts in that

manner should be removed from society

where they can no longer harm the activities

of others.


Wrong." Acting like a retard" is not illegal.

Neither is listening to loud rap music outside.


Non-sequitur. But to show how incorrect you have been, it most certainly
is illegal once it reaches levels that violate noise ordinances. The
charge: Disturbing the peace.



But do it at 1:00 Am and guaranteed the cops

will be there to "oppress" your right, for the

betterment of the rest of the community.



Non-sequitur once again. One has no right to disturb the peace and if
one chooses to do so, must be prepared for any consequence.


That's what I mean by accountability. If you

had to "face the music" for acting

inappropriately, you would eventually adopt an
incentive to NOT act that way. The quality of

the forums would increase considerably.

-
What you feel constitutes "quality" is the opposite of what many others
feel. The loss of personal privacy in this world is never an improvement
in the quality of anything.

Why? What would you do differently if

suddenly we all knew who you were? It

certainly wouldn't change how I interact as I'm

already up-front about who I am.

Why? Why should it matter if people know

who you are? Are you THAT paranoid?

Why is none of your concern.

But is undoubtedly the whole reason why you

defend this notion so vehemently.


Don't give yourself so much credit. I have defended personal liberties
long before encountering you.

-
Why I choose to exercise my American
birthrights is none of your concern. Once again, you are owed no
explanation.

That you would flaunt you rights as an excuse

to allow people to victimize other people at the
expense of their rights is also telling.


Perhaps if that is what I have done, there may be some validity to that.
But since I have not done so, and only discussed such when continually
pressed by those not unlike yourself who have nose problems and an
admitted penchant for personal information in order to "spread it
around", I am quite satisfied with just what is and isn't "telling" in
this thread.


_
I remember making the claim that some I

knew personally was popped by local cops for

interference relating to his CB radio. You

challenged the validity of my claim,


AFTER you refused to cite a credible source, and only after did I
"challenge the validity" of your claim.

I don't have a credible source. I didn't "find"

the incident. I was personally involved with it.

Of course you don't and of course you were. There are those who insist
they were abducted by aliens who also have no credible source.

That doesn't mean that it didn't happen.


Well, yea, in the world of reality acceptance, it does.


first by trying to find some sort of difference

between "a suburb of" and "suburban",

suggesting that I was lying.


You are lying now. YOU were the one to invoke the word "suburb", not I,
and you invoked it when the heat got too hot and you realized, like
said, the court documents would confirm your story. I note you
originally claimed it happened IN Philthadelphia,

I never EVER claimed that it happened IN

philthy. Never. I said that it happened in

SUBURBAN (Meaning in the suburbs) of


Exactly. And then you invoked Norristown, which is NOT a suburb of
Philthy, NOT on any area maps of Philthy, and pays no bills or taxes to
Philthy, and has no mail go through Philthy. It meets NONE of the
criteria for a suburb of Philthy, ,,in fact, it's nowhere near Philthy..

It IS a suburb of philly, as it resides in an area

which surrounds the city area. In any case it

was your hangup of semantics that caused

you to look in the wrong place. The worst you

can accuse me of is incorrectly stating the

location. It doesn't change the particulars.



Your posts do not constitute particulars ofan incident that never
occurred merely because you say it did.




Oh, and thank you for admitting that I DID

provide the name of the exact town.




Oh, no problem, if that minor consolation worls for you, hail hail. The
fact of the matter is, the town meets no parameters for what consitutes
a suburb of a city. You feel merely because the closest big city is
Philly, it constitutes that Norristown is a suburb? By what do you base
this? Distance? What were you references? Again, you can cite nothing in
this world that illustrtaes Norristown as a suburb of Philly, because it
is not.


Philly. Why I chose that wording instead of just
saying that it happened in Norristown, should

be obvious.
=A0

It was.


=A0This is an international forum. Ask someone

from another geographical area if they're ever

heard of a relatively small town (such as

Norristown) and they will most likely not. But

mention a popular city as a geographical point
of reference, and it's another story.


This being an international forum doesn't stop you from invoking
domestic (American) law, so you can;t invoke it as a defense for your
beahvior now.


American law applies to me as I am a citizen

of America.



But you don't direct your posts about the law to yourself,,(well,
sometime you do), you post them with abandon and no thought to other
counties laws.


But as a referential courtesy to

those who don't line in "my neck of the woods"
I used general locational terms. I never

intended to be detail specific at the time I

posted it. That you took it as such is a failing

on your part.


You had months to reply. You were asked many, many times to provide
"specifics" (verbatim) of the case. That you responded with "Suburbian
Philly" and now try to say you weren't responding with "detail specific"
at the time you were asked, is *your* communication gaffe, because that
is exactly what you were asked for.."specifics". Not anyone else's fault
you can't answer correctly.



What more do you want?



Umm....perhaps this credibility you always speak of . You hold one who
doesn't respond to your demands for personal information as not credible
on usenet. The rest of the world holds one who makes claims with no
substantiation as not credible.

_
I told you all the

details. I never knew the defendant's last

name (part of that anonymity aspect of CB)

only that the name he went by was "Floyd"

(Which from other people, is his middle name,

his fist name is Anthony). It happened in

Norristown Pa (A suburb of philly) in the late

90's.

When you failed to find any information

AFTER you claimed it was in Philly,

I never claimed it was IN philly.

Sure you did,,,here it is again:

"This happened about 5 years ago IN

suburban Philadelphia.."


Suburban philadelphia is not the same thing

as being in the city of philadelphia.




Correct. But suburbs of Philadelphia are inexplicably tied to the city
it a suburb of, in one of many ways, a few of which you have now been
informed.


If I had intended to state that it was in the city

I would have said "in the city of Philadelphia".

=A0=A0You still won't admit your mistake.

That you feel that suburban philly means the

same thing as IN philly was your mistake.

_
Wrong. That you called it that with, once again, nothing to substantiate
it except your belief, does not consititute what makes a suburbia of a
city. Once again, some of those parameters are which defines a suburb of
a city are outlined above and Norristown meets none of them.
_
Not in the minds of the people who live here,

all of whom refer to themselves as living in the
suburbs of phila. Even as far out in the sticks

as I now live even the news media refers to

this area as the "philadelphia suburbs". But I

guess all these people are wrong and you are

right?


If they call Norristown a suburb of Philly, yes , they are wrong, and
once again, stop being so personal, for it is not I that define the
parameters of what constitutes a suburb of a city. For one, they must
have a civic connection in some form. Norristown does not. In addition
to you admitting how vile those Philthy folks are, you're telling the
world the majority of folks in your area are ignorant, as well.



If I was making the whole thing up, do you

think I would waste so much time on

semantics?



Oh yea. This group has been witness to watching you talk out both sides
of your mouth.



What difference does it make now?



Now that you admitted what I maintained after all this time, that you
are unable to produce anything to sustantiate this claim, not a thing.
_
You know

where exactly it happened now, so to continue
to argue the point now is counterproductive

and wasteful of bandwidth.




Correct. It should be reserved for your long rants illustrating your
fancy for what you refer as internet psychology.


If you want to go through the trouble to

request (at your cost) microfiche records,


No need. As far as a court of law would be concerned, I have presented
the burden of proof that your claims were false. I have been "pacified"
over this issue regardless or not of whether you feel that such is your
decision.

_
This is the internet remember, there is no

accountability. So anything that anyone says

is already suspect.


You are the one unable to provide for your claims. That you feel another
should feel foolish for your inability to do so is troubling.


Even when I told you the exact town,

You never said the exact town and if you did, you NEVER linked it with
the case you claim occurred or in the same thread. Since you claim
otherwise, force feed me some crow, Davie, and show the world where you
told me what town the cber got busted in and went to court. Just another
in that long line of unsubstantiated bull****,,,,

You asked for it, you got it: Enjoy your crow....

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3D...oup:rec.radio=
cb+authorave+author:Hall&hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&c2coff=3D1&selm=3D3E49=
3556.2BA%40worldlynx.net&rnum=3D1
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There it is again,,,,Norristown, a town that has nothing to do with
Philadelphia except in your mind. You will find nothing anywhere
denoting Norristown as even remotely associated as a suburb of Philthy.


Except by the people who live here.


Another claim of yours that is morose. I don't believe an entire
community is illiterate in civics.


I don't

purport to know what the people in the greater
Tampa area should refer to themselves as, so

I would expect that you not be so

presumptuous as to assume the same from

my area.
_
Ahhh,,but I am quite familiar with Philthy and the related
area...actually, I am pretty familiar with Penna, NY and a host of other
states. I have done quite a bit of traveling over the years and hung
around Philthy for some time.

_
_
You can't look for something and expect to f

ind much without key particulars,

like the defendant's name, which I can't give

you as I didn't know all of it.



YOU not being able to doesn't mean others are unable. And sure I can,
dave,,,I can do just that with the very simple process of elimination.
You start with the town and backtrack to the corresponding year or two
which you already gave us indirectly,,from there, one eliminates all
charges except for discorderly conduct. From there, it's a matter of
checking those charged with the offense in the corresponding time frame
and walla walla,,,,,,,,,,and that is but one way of many and by far the
easiest.

Not disorderly conduct, it was disturbing the

peace. Get it right.

Semantics.

And you still assume that this information is

on the internet.


Whatever has you stuck on the internet as being the single informational
tool in my work arsenal is incorrect, but seeing as you were told this
before and still can't grasp it, this will be the last time I correct
you on this matter.
As always, you have the right to insist on remaining clueless and
ignorant on such matters.


It may not be. The incident occurred in the

1996-1998 time frame

Not all information is available on the internet.

Exactly, so I have no clue why you continue to assume it is.

Then use your "magic" to produce the info.


I am of the opinion it did not occur. You made the claim, substantiate
it or just get past the fact that you finally admiitted you are unable.


Although once you find it, I suspect you will

not admit it. You don't strike me as someone

who takes being proven wrong all that well.


Well, that's ok, considering how many times you have been wrong lately.


Dave

N3CVJ

"Sandbagger"

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj