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Old October 29th 05, 02:47 PM
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Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???


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Old October 29th 05, 07:19 PM
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The Magnum wrote:
Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.



Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.
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Old October 29th 05, 08:41 PM
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"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...
The Magnum wrote:
Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.



Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion

are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.


Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating to
"licence conditions"
I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence... to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence? Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??
i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.

Regards,
Graham



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Old October 29th 05, 10:39 PM
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The Magnum wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...

The Magnum wrote:

Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion


are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.



Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating to
"licence conditions"


Maybe the rules are different where you are, but in the US amateurs can
construct any of their equipment, but it *is their responsibility* to
test it and make sure it operates legally. If it doesn't they can be
held accountable by the FCC. Granted, there are few today, due to lack
of technical knowledge that can do that. It wasn't that long ago
however, that finding a ham station completely constructed by the
amateur wasn't uncommon or often surplus military gear would be modified
for use on the amateur bands. With the plug-and-talk equipment of today,
easier test with given answers that can be memorized, the technical
expertise of the amateur is sadly lacking

I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence...


In the US any ham or anyone else can legally listen in on cb frequencies.

to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence?


Since there is no requirement here for a cb license I don't suppose any
amateur would bother.

Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??


Only radios that are type accepted for cb use are legal to use on the cb
bands. There is a problem here with imported radios that have 'expanded'
channels that will also operate on the 10 meter ham band. These radios
are not 'type certified' for cb use and they are purchased by unlicensed
persons and are often used on the 10 meter band. Some time back it was a
popular thing for amateurs to take cb radios and convert them for use on
the 10 meter band, just change the crystals, peak up the circuits and
you had a nice little mobile 10 meter radio. Once modified as such the
radios were no longer type certified nor legal for cb use but perfectly
legal for amateur use.

i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.


True, but there is a much larger percentage of illegal operation on the
cb band than on the amateur bands, at least here in the US. And we have
the 'freebanders' who for some strange reason think they have the right
to operate on the frequencies between the upper end of the cb band and
the lower end of 10 meters plus just about anywhere else they chose.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.


I must confess I haven't acquainted myself with M3's. Is this a test
free amateur license?
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Old October 30th 05, 12:01 AM
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"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
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The Magnum wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...

The Magnum wrote:

Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will

the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion


are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.



Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes

me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an

Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing

the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it

tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that

ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may

be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating

to
"licence conditions"


Maybe the rules are different where you are, but in the US amateurs can
construct any of their equipment, but it *is their responsibility* to
test it and make sure it operates legally. If it doesn't they can be
held accountable by the FCC. Granted, there are few today, due to lack
of technical knowledge that can do that. It wasn't that long ago
however, that finding a ham station completely constructed by the
amateur wasn't uncommon or often surplus military gear would be modified
for use on the amateur bands. With the plug-and-talk equipment of today,
easier test with given answers that can be memorized, the technical
expertise of the amateur is sadly lacking


Ive seen a few of the ex military gear on my frequent walks around the radio
rally meetings held in the UK at various times of the year. Ive even seen
small tanks for sale )

I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a

NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence...


In the US any ham or anyone else can legally listen in on cb frequencies.

to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence?


Since there is no requirement here for a cb license I don't suppose any
amateur would bother.

Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??


Only radios that are type accepted for cb use are legal to use on the cb
bands. There is a problem here with imported radios that have 'expanded'
channels that will also operate on the 10 meter ham band. These radios
are not 'type certified' for cb use and they are purchased by unlicensed
persons and are often used on the 10 meter band. Some time back it was a
popular thing for amateurs to take cb radios and convert them for use on
the 10 meter band, just change the crystals, peak up the circuits and
you had a nice little mobile 10 meter radio. Once modified as such the
radios were no longer type certified nor legal for cb use but perfectly
legal for amateur use.


Indeed. But what i was getting at was Amateur radios that can access the CB
bands not CB's themselves. I know in the UK if an amateur wants to converse
on the 27MHz CB band he needs a CB licence.. his Amateur licence doesnt
cover him/her for it. (or whether thats just M3 im not sure) Im sure someone
will let us know.

i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to

time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.


True, but there is a much larger percentage of illegal operation on the
cb band than on the amateur bands, at least here in the US. And we have
the 'freebanders' who for some strange reason think they have the right
to operate on the frequencies between the upper end of the cb band and
the lower end of 10 meters plus just about anywhere else they chose.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain

on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.


I must confess I haven't acquainted myself with M3's. Is this a test
free amateur license?


In the UK its a simple test (which only an idiot would fail) to get people
started on the Amateur bands. I think the main frequencies being 2m. Im not
sure where else they can go but its limited compaired to a full amateur and
the powers less. Most UK Amateurs are horrified that their airspace is being
invaded by these "CB type lowlife" (their words not mine) which suprises me
as i firmly believe anyone gaining their M3 licence would go on to
Intermediate... etc not stop there so i cant see why the "old hams" arent
encoraging them rather than belittling them.
http://rsgb.org.uk/beginners/ under foundation

Regards,
Graham




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Old October 30th 05, 05:47 AM
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Most UK Amateurs are horrified that their airspace is being
invaded by these "CB type lowlife" (their words not mine) which suprises me
as i firmly believe anyone gaining their M3 licence would go on to
Intermediate... etc not stop there


Yes, one would think so. That is what our Novice license was for, an
entry type of license, nothing real hard on the test, only 5wpm for
code, limited power and not all frequency privileges.

so i cant see why the "old hams" arent
encoraging them rather than belittling them.


It seems that is often the position taken not by just 'old hams' today,
but by some of those who do upgrade. Kinda like how as a freshman in
high-school you were looked down on by upper-classmen. It didn't use to
be that way. When I had my Novice ticket, I probably worked more General
and higher class licensees on the Novice bands because they would come
to the Novice frequencies and work us, sending code slowly and carefully
to encourage us to get proficient enough to upgrade. Amateur radio used
to be very gentlemanly, still is for the most part but seems amateur
radio has begun to reflect much of today's rude society.


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Old October 30th 05, 10:29 PM
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The Magnum wrote:

"Peter" wrote in message
news:43630f90.0@entanet...

"The Magnum" wrote...

"jim" wrote in message
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The Magnum wrote:

Not difficult to deduce that you are a CB-er.


Why is that then.. is it because he has friends, his house isn't


full of

bits of old crap and he doesnt stink of wee and biscuits??



biscuits?

Its an old joke referring to the elderly.... ;o)


Would that be a Brummy joke?
What about Murray Mints?


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/



Nah Pete its not a Brummie Joke. I dont know about the Murray mints
though.... youll have to enlighten me on that one while i pour HP sauce all
over my Mushy Peas and Chips ;o)


enjoyed the sunday roast beef and yorkshire pudding dinner in the pub
when i was over. hp is good on eggs. sorta like our A1 sauce.
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Old October 31st 05, 08:44 AM
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"The Magnum" wrote...

Nah Pete its not a Brummie Joke. I dont know about the Murray mints
though.... youll have to enlighten me on that one while i pour HP sauce all
over my Mushy Peas and Chips ;o)


IIRC, Little Britain...
"You smell nice, what is it?"

"Murray Mints."

Maybe it was on the radio series, I have the CD set.
I remember, with my alder relatives, Nutalls Mintos and mint imperials... but it always seems
to be mints. Avoid mints at all costs, it's a sign that you are getting old.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/



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Old October 31st 05, 08:48 AM
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"jim" wrote...

enjoyed the sunday roast beef and yorkshire pudding dinner in the pub
when i was over.



Never mind Yorkshire Puddings, you want to try a Bakewell Tart.
Cheap, but very friendy :~)


Regards,

Peter.



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Old October 31st 05, 08:51 AM
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"The Magnum" wrote...

There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)


What's grey and comes in pints...
An elephant.



Peter.


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