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Jesus knew about ham radio guys!
On Jul 16, 7:45 pm, wrote:
On Jul 16, 3:30 pm, Michael Coslo wrote: There are plenty of unrestricted places on the market *now*, because of the RE market slump and the mortgage crisis. Maybe in your area, but where I live CC&R's are the rule and they will all pretty much restrict antennas for ham radio use. It all depends on when the average house was built in your area. The standard way this works here in the Dallas area is developer buys large tract of land, applies CC&R's to the tract, subdivides and develops the land to sell the houses he builds. He throws in a pool and play ground across from the model homes which is owned by the HOA that gets created by the CC&R's. 99-100% of the new homes available in the area I live will come with CC&R's based on these boilerplates. (Personally I know of NO new homes in my current price range for sale with 10 miles of my house that won't have CC&R's.) I've seen only ONE subdivision in my area that would have allowed antennas in their CC&R's but it was a very special case. The CC&R's didn't originate with a builder, but where adopted by the land owners AFTER the subdivision was plated. Those CC&R's where a model of simplicity and basically dealt with keeping unsightly things to a minimum. (Keep your house painted a normal color and in good repair, no junk cars, lawns mowed, fences in good repair etc.) The problem is that the big builders have boiler plate CC&R's that change very little between subdivisions. All of these boiler plates contain restrictions on antennas and are constructed to never expire. More and more land is becoming off limits to ham radio antennas and this is a bigger problem in areas that have been under active development for the last 20-30 years such as Dallas. Therefore I have to object to the "just move" response to the plight of hams in CC&R communities. It may be an option for some, but for others it may not. At some point I may choose to move, and CC&R restrictions on antennas will likely be something I look at. I can tell you that I won't be able to buy a comparable house for the same money without CC&R's in Murphy or the surrounding area. There are areas that allow them, but they do not compare with where I live in price or age. Yes, I could drive 40 more miles a day and perhaps find something that would work, but with the cost of driving these days I’d be moving into less of a house for sure to make ends meet. In addition to this, all the CC&R's I've read in my area are usually drafted to NEVER expire. The only way they will go away is if all the land owners agree to it (fat chance of that). This land will forever be of limits for antennas. Year after year as new subdivisions are built, more and more land will be CC&R's restricted unless they are limited by law. As an aside on CC&R's which are all the rage... There are fundamental problems with CC&R's and pesky HOA's under the current law. Depending on how they are drafted, they can end up causing some seemingly very unreasonable consequences for homeowners that may not be obvious by reading them. Personally, I think they should be put under some really strict legal limits and the powers of HOA's strictly limited. But all that is another issue... All in all I can only hope that this CC&R Craze comes to an end pretty soon. I don't think they are as much a benifit to landowners as they are thought to be. But until they fall out of favor to the public or get pre-empted by law they will only increase in coverage. Personally, that scares me. -= Bob =- |
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"KC4UAI" wrote
Maybe in your area, but where I live CC&R's are the rule and they will all pretty much restrict antennas for ham radio use. It all depends on when the average house was built in your area. All of what you wrote applies to housing here in Tucson. Seems that only if you're a multi-millionaire can you buy land (if there's any left) and build your own custom home... completely outside of restrictions (other than towers, etc.) I live in one of these CC&R developments, and I'm fortunate to be able to have something of an antenna in my backyard: an MFJ Hi-Q 10-30m Loop on a 5' pole. While it's VERY visible from the street (and is quite an effective antenna), over the 10+ years I've lived here no one's said a word. The CC&R's state "no antennas without permission." I never asked. That statement was written, BTW, before the FCC demanded the allowance of tv antennas and satellite dishes. When guests ask what my [MFJ antenna] is, I tell them it's my yard sculpture. I'm fortunate to be under an HOA that's more relaxed than a lot of the others I've heard about. N7SO |
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"Howard Lester" wrote in
acomip: "KC4UAI" wrote Maybe in your area, but where I live CC&R's are the rule and they will all pretty much restrict antennas for ham radio use. It all depends on when the average house was built in your area. All of what you wrote applies to housing here in Tucson. Seems that only if you're a multi-millionaire can you buy land (if there's any left) and build your own custom home... completely outside of restrictions (other than towers, etc.) I can find a lot of houses in this area that don't allow much of anything too. I'd respectfully suggest that people might look a little harder based on the fact that a whole lot of people in this area believe that even my neighborhood will not allow antennas, and don't believe me when I tell them it does. If it is true that there is no land available in either Dallas or Tucson that would allow antennas, then that is indeed sad. I simply would not live there. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote
If it is true that there is no land available in either Dallas or Tucson that would allow antennas, then that is indeed sad. I simply would not live there. Mike, there is land and housing in Tucson that allows antennas, but in general, as far as I know either you have to be "out in the county," or in an older, very established neighborhood. That seems to be "in general," as I'm sure there are exceptions. But if you want a new, modest home in a typical family-oriented subdivision, it is not at all likely you'll find one that allows antennas. If you've "got money," then your options are greater. Howard N7SO |
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On Jul 18, 7:28 pm, "Howard Lester" wrote:
there is land and housing in Tucson that allows antennas, but in general, as far as I know either you have to be "out in the county," or i n an older, very established neighborhood. That seems to be "in general," a s I'm sure there are exceptions. But if you want a new, modest home in a typical family-oriented subdivision, it is not at all likely you'll find one that allows antennas. If you've "got money," then your options are greate r. |
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On Jul 21, 9:52 pm, Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote: On Jul 18, 7:28 pm, "Howard Lester" wrote: As previously observed, one can only buy what is for sale when one is looking to buy. There are several houses near me that I would gladly move to - but they're not for sale, and haven't been for at least a decade. Respectfully Jim, I think that is just simplified too much. Without being argumentative, Mike, I think not. While it is true within itself, It is possible to get the house that you want, and with the features you want. You just might have to wait a while. We looked several times before we bought the place we are in now. Some times we just didn't buy. Agreed in most cases. But there are probably exceptions out there. I don't know what it's like trying to buy real estate in Tucson or Dallas, for example. This is the part that I do that is apparently foreign to many. The is no law that says that we have to buy a house, some house, any house. One can live in an apartment for a while, or as we did, a mobile home. It took about 2 years, but we got a real bargain at the price we wanted, in the neighborhood we wanted. Sold the mobile home for nearly what we paid for it, and were out only the lot rent. House rent would have been a bit more outlay, but it's still worth it to get the house you want. It all depends on the situation. For one thing, there's the money aspect, which is a big one for a lot of us. Living in a rented space means no deductions for interest or RE taxes, and no equity building. When the RE market is rising, waiting too long can be a big problem. If the house values are rising faster than your purchasing power, you can find that this year you can't afford a house that you could have afforded last year. (Of course this causes people to buy *now*, which raises prices, and the circle keeps rolling...) It is a common story here to meet folks who could not afford the house they live in if they had to buy it today, because the house prices went up much faster than their income. Besides pure $$, there are factors like the kids' education. At least in PA, the public schools your kids attend depends on where you live, and different school districts have very different levels of quality. In many areas the house prices reflect that. I've seen similar houses on opposite sides of the same street priced 20% differently, because one was in the highly-rated Podunk School District and the other in the good-but-not-as-highly-rated Squeedunk School District. On top of that, pulling the kids out of one school and dropping them in another may not be the best idea if there's any other option. I did the same thing with a motorcycle I bought recently. I could have bought new or what the dealers wanted and had the bike I wanted in around 15 minutes. I looked and waited for a month to find a motivated seller, and got a good bike for thousands less. Sure. But everyone needs a place to live; not everyone needs a motorcycle. More important, real estate isn't portable. And back to Ham radio, I have bought all my used radios that way. Got an IC-745 for $250, and my latest, an IC-761 for 300 dollars. I just had to wait and pounce at the right time. (cue Jacques Coustea narration) .....ze barracuda waitz patiently for ze most taztee prey to svim by..... Patience will reward you. Buy exactly what you want, not the one that you think is best when you first start looking Agreed, but RE is different. For one thing, it costs so much more. $300 for a rig is a different thing than $300,000 for a house. The ham who can afford a couple of $300 rigs probably can't afford a couple of $300,000 houses. Plus if you choose right you can try a variety of used rigs for relatively little money. The main cost is shipping. Buying and selling RE you live in is a completely different game! And in many areas $300,000 doesn't buy a lot of house. Most of all, depending on your given set of criteria, it may be a very long time before the house you really want comes on the market. It seems to me that a lot of amateurs insist on a new house, or at least a newer house, meaning something no older than 10-20 years. Older homes are simply off the radar, for some reason. Is it just me, or is this a real trend? What's behind it? Jim, what I think it is is that we are hearing mostly fro m those who are having trouble putting up an antenna, and since they are mostly from the newr home group, they are more likely to be people who insist on a newer home. Just a guess. Possibly, but the question remains: Why a new or newer house? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:52:15 EDT, Michael Coslo wrote:
This is the part that I do that is apparently foreign to many. The is no law that says that we have to buy a house, some house, any house. One can live in an apartment for a while, or as we did, a mobile home. We moved from a 2-bedroom condo apartment when we ran out of room for what we wanted our living arrangements to be. We had no guest room for our kids ( big issue while my divorce from their mother was being negotiated), no separate office and studio for each of us, a kitchen that was the size of a telephone booth for my wife the catering chef, and all the office furniture and my professional library was in a 10X10 storage cubicle after I closed my law office. We bunked in our kids' guest room for a month while our goods were piling up storage fees because we had to wait for our condo apartment to sell and clear escrow before we could put our equity into another home. There was no way we were going into an apartment and then having to pay for another move to a place that we would find "later on". We spent a week with the Realtor checking out deed restrictions and looking at places that might meet our needs - space, number of rooms, proximity to public transit, specialized medical services (I was legally blind at the time), easy travel to our congregation (the only one of our denomination in the entire state), freedom for onerous anti-ham ordinances and deed restrictions, a decent and safe neighborhood, and so on. After turning down three nicer homes (including one brand-new townhouse that the Realtor's researcher said "no CC&Rs" although the development literally screamed "restrictive CC&Rs" in my experience, we settled for this one. We still ran out of storage room and had to do a fair amount of rebuilding but I could put up my 12 antennas and my wife could resume her contract catering business - "but it's only one-half block from the bus stop", as my wife reminds me when we discover another problem with the 30+ year old house. Priorities.... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net |
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I am curious, though, about some things that seem pretty common in amateur discussions about HOAs and CC&Rs. It seems to me that a lot of amateurs insist on a new house, or at least a newer house, meaning something no older than 10-20 years. Older homes are simply off the radar, for some reason. Is it just me, or is this a real trend? What's behind it? ================================== In my case, I like nice and new because it's nice and new and clean, everything's under warranty, uses the "latest technology," it was built with my choice of its internals, including having coax run through the walls from the roof to my "shack" area.... and I could live with relatively stealth antennas. Why? Because the house itself is for me more a priority than is ham radio. As for CC&R's, I knew it all going in, and I knew that I would be working with an HOA that is not run by a bunch of... I won't use the term.... I would *never* live under a regime like that. While it's a 200 home development, they are fairly flexible in what you can and cannot do. As I said earlier, I have had an MFJ Hi-Q Loop mounted in my backyard for 10 years, and no one has ever said a word. It works very well, as evidenced by all the DX I've worked with it. I had a Diamond 2m/440 antenna (40") mounted on the roof, also as visible as possible. An HOA can be fired. If the majority of homeowners want to throw them all out and change the CC&R's they can. (I know, not likely, but the point is that it can be done.) So while there are choices, there are choices. Choose wisely. Howard N7SO |
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