an old friend wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:

LA

Welp, Heil is wrong. He says I'm anonymous when it is convenient for
his argument, then he goes about calling me "Brian." I don't know
whats up with that guy.

I do he is simply not as far down the road as Robeson and Wisemen but
he suffers from the brain washing of too much narrow ooked rf

OR branch water.

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K4YZ wrote:
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Mike Coslo wrote:

I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even
converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^)
They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of
'em.

Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have
used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you
been posting under?

As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Am I really anonymous?

No, Brian, you are not anonymous. Anyone who's been here a
year or so will know that. For those short-timers, your call is
N 0 I M D (using spaces to make it clearer to the hate-filled
near-sighted twits).

Sheesh! I'm supposed to be anonymous and everyone knows who I am!!!
I'm a complete failure as an anonninnie.

Major Dud is running out of "reasons" for personally insulting
others so he has resorted to his old, false, outdated "SIGNING"
charge.

He'll never run out of claims. They're all he's got.

A written communications medium such as on Usenet already
IDs the user in the header information. Robesin doesn't
understand any of that...he still thinks he is in some kind of
cue-so on the radio and the "signing" must be the callsign.
Poor feller doesn't understand the difference between Usenet
over the Internet and amateur radio parlance-protocol-procedure.

His sintax has him confused.

Sigh...there's no end to the behavior of Robesin in sight and
2007 will open up just another barrage of hate-filled, frustrated
insults from Him. Unless he gets a job in another hospital to
end his "vacation." :-)

2007 is just another chapter in the Robesin saga.

Best regards,



HNY.

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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
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From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm
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From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm
an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
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Jim Hampton wrote:
Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service.
There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just
plain wrong.
sure there is you have often said
Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am
aware of.
I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever
advocated such.
Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong.
So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a
strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't.
Brian, we have to quit trying to make
admit to doing
wrong.
What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len?

Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur
radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged
proposal.
Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up
with the idea.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en
Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did
this.
Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings.
Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that.

Of course not.

Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives.

Of course.

Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

Four of us are. :-)

[may the Force be with us!]

"Luke, I am your father!"

And a person cannot delete the postings of another.

Didn't say they could.

So if A post
something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's
posting even if A deletes his post.

And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy?

This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe
could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the
statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel
his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in
which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are
there?

Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil
responded to the initial no-test proposal...

It's all a "grande conspiracy" against the Morsemen! :-)

Poor things.

That's
why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's
always have their hands out.
How can you be sure?

Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written.

Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and
inaccurate.

Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur
Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you
weren't born yet.

I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated
historical fact.

Wow! Another delusional amateur.

Amateur extra morsemen "know" all, "see" all. They took the
highest-rate code test, therefore They are Always Right!

Historical fact, huh? The amateur service really didn't get shut down
during WWII?

For example, recently you made some significant mistakes
in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great
Depression.

I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it?

Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class?
Did you ever do any independent research on a subject?

Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it.

Jimmie Noserve LIVED all he talked about. He is an expert
on veterans affairs...

He was probably in Vietnam and at Woodstock at the same time.

Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections?

Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service.

You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian.

Who is Brian?

Good question! :-)

Hell if I know?

That's because you are mistaken.
Four people are mistaken.

That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny
it.

Yep. Four people are mistaken.

It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post
which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any
replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy
between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all
evidence that the post was ever made?

Is there?

Wow...old Jimmie just NEVER will answer a challenge directly!

That's Quitefine.

People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen.

Four people "remember" things which did not happen.

Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it.

That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen.
Yep.

Where is the evidence that the "things" took place?

As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it.

Everyone challenging Jimmie is WRONG! :-)

They would have been wrong anyway. That's just how it is with
Morsemen.

Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that
misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film.
If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a
proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me*
to be mistaken.

But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts
are in Google, waiting for you.

Sure they are.

Yes, they are.

Sure.

You're one obstinate character, Brian.

Who is Brian?

Tsk, Jimmie beats us all in the Obstinacy Department! Why,
at the drop of a carrier he will once again trot out a seven-
year-old suggestion I once made to the FCC in a comment
on FCC 98-143 to show "the error of my ways (and every-
thing else)!" :-)

That was almost 9 years ago.

That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive.

Four people are mistaken.

At least that many.

If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict?

This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions?

Dave K8MN

I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How
many more?

Sigh...these obstinate Mighty Macho Morsemen must be powered
by Ever-Ready batteries! They keep on going...and going...and
going...

I wish they'd all leave. :-)

LA

I just wish they'd behave.

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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
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wrote:
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From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm
wrote:
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From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm
an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service.
There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just
plain wrong.
sure there is you have often said
Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am
aware of.
I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever
advocated such.
Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong.
So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a
strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't.
Brian, we have to quit trying to make
admit to doing
wrong.
What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len?

Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur
radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged
proposal.
Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up
with the idea.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en
Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did
this.
Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings.
Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that.

Of course not.

Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives.

Of course.

Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

Four of us are. :-)

[may the Force be with us!]

"Luke, I am your father!"

Jimmie as the Evil Darth Morser? Boggles the mind! :-)


Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil
responded to the initial no-test proposal...

It's all a "grande conspiracy" against the Morsemen! :-)

Poor things.

Yeah, their federal welfare emotional food stamps are going to stop.

But, but.....we will hear of their "But I was a 20 WPM Extra!" :-(

Forever, it seems.


I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated
historical fact.

Wow! Another delusional amateur.

Amateur extra morsemen "know" all, "see" all. They took the
highest-rate code test, therefore They are Always Right!

Historical fact, huh? The amateur service really didn't get shut down
during WWII?

They all "went into the military" and vanquished the axis
using their morse keys! [they used the superhuman
Power of their ham licenses!]



Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class?
Did you ever do any independent research on a subject?

Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it.

Jimmie Noserve LIVED all he talked about. He is an expert
on veterans affairs...

He was probably in Vietnam and at Woodstock at the same time.

Hmmm...that would make him a supporter of protestation? Good
grief, you've opened up a Theological theme! A protestant
supporter!

The mind boggles once more! Well maybe just an old jock
strap?


Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections?

Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service.

You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian.

Who is Brian?

Good question! :-)

Hell if I know?

That's because you are mistaken.
Four people are mistaken.

That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny
it.

Yep. Four people are mistaken.

It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post
which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any
replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy
between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all
evidence that the post was ever made?

Is there?

Wow...old Jimmie just NEVER will answer a challenge directly!

That's Quitefine.

Quitefine to a T. :-)


Where is the evidence that the "things" took place?

As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it.

Everyone challenging Jimmie is WRONG! :-)

They would have been wrong anyway. That's just how it is with
Morsemen.

Sigh...it is that, isn't it? :-(


Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that
misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film.
If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a
proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me*
to be mistaken.

The airport scenes in the film "Casablanca" were shot at Los
Angeles Municipal Airport, now known as Van Nuys Airport,
ICAO identifier "VNY." I flew in and out of there taking lessons
four decades ago. Never met either Ingrid Bergman or
Humphrey Bogart. Or even Claude Rains. I think Jimmie is
trying to imitate Claude because he wants "to pick up all the
usual (old) arguments," then interrogate them forever... :-)



But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts
are in Google, waiting for you.

Sure they are.

Yes, they are.

Sure.

You're one obstinate character, Brian.

Who is Brian?

Tsk, Jimmie beats us all in the Obstinacy Department! Why,
at the drop of a carrier he will once again trot out a seven-
year-old suggestion I once made to the FCC in a comment
on FCC 98-143 to show "the error of my ways (and every-
thing else)!" :-)

That was almost 9 years ago.

The FCC received my 14-page Comment on FCC 99-143 on
15 Jan 1999. Makes it just a few days short 8 years.

I don't think that the subject bounced into RRAP until Hans
Brakob talked about it. He let it drop. I let it drop. Jimmie
NEVER drops anything.



Dave K8MN

I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How
many more?

Sigh...these obstinate Mighty Macho Morsemen must be powered
by Ever-Ready batteries! They keep on going...and going...and
going...

I wish they'd all leave. :-)

I just wish they'd behave.

"Behave" might be asking just too much. :-)

We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday.
The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the
orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a
Wagnerian Opera setting! :-)

Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered
"Gotterdammerung!" after slipping...

LA

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I wish they'd all leave. :-)

I just wish they'd behave.

"Behave" might be asking just too much. :-)

We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday.
The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the
orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a
Wagnerian Opera setting! :-)

Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed
from a babs streisand concert) .

Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered
"Gotterdammerung!" after slipping...

LA

I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large
branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder
right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common?
;^)

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I wish they'd all leave. :-)

I just wish they'd behave.

"Behave" might be asking just too much. :-)

We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday.
The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the
orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a
Wagnerian Opera setting! :-)

Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed
from a babs streisand concert) .

Heck yes, that's a given...with or without Streisand. :-)

What can you expect from the suddenly-deprived-of-federal-welfare-
emotional-food-stamps? They be HUNGRY and can no longer
crow about their being the top of the food chain in the ARS.

Would be nice if they could go and eat that crow instead.

[don't expect that, either...]

Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered
"Gotterdammerung!" after slipping...

LA

I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large
branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder
right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common?
;^)

Might be. However, "Gotterdammerbranch" doesn't quite have a
ring to it. :-)

I hope you survived... :-)

LA

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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm
an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service.
There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just
plain wrong.
sure there is you have often said
Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am
aware of.
I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever
advocated such.
Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong.
So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a
strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't.
Brian, we have to quit trying to make
admit to doing
wrong.
What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len?

Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur
radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged
proposal.
Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up
with the idea.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en
Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did
this.
Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings.
Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that.
Of course not.
Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

Ahh. I see.

All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives.
Of course.
Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right
out and state that I'd done so?

I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force.

I think he's pretty well known by now.

And a person cannot delete the postings of another.
Didn't say they could.

So if A post
something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's
posting even if A deletes his post.
And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy?
This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe
could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the
statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel
his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in
which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are
there?

Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil
responded to the initial no-test proposal...

....and you don't believe that any NCTA would respond to such a
statement? If any NCTA responded, he'd conspire to delete his own post
so that no such record would remain? How very, very odd.

That's
why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's
always have their hands out.
How can you be sure?

Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written.

Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and
inaccurate.
Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur
Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you
weren't born yet.
I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated
historical fact.

Wow! Another delusional amateur.

I don't think you're delusional. I just think you're mistaken.

For example, recently you made some significant mistakes
in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great
Depression.
I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it?
Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class?
Did you ever do any independent research on a subject?

Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it.

No, it seldom does. If you lived it, you might have gotten a really
good grade. In taking such a course, you might have retained some of
the facts, like who was President of the United States at the time of
the Bonus Marchers. Do you remember learning the name of the officer
charged with breaking things up?


Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections?

Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service.
You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian.

Who is Brian?

See what I mean? That's very peculiar.

That's because you are mistaken.
Four people are mistaken.
That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny
it.
Yep. Four people are mistaken.

It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post
which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any
replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy
between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all
evidence that the post was ever made?

Is there?

I asked you.

People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen.

Four people "remember" things which did not happen.

Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it.
That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen.
Yep.
Where is the evidence that the "things" took place?

As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it.

Maybe your memories were changed during your visit to the mother ship.

Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that
misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film.
If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a
proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me*
to be mistaken.

But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts
are in Google, waiting for you.

Sure they are.

Yes, they are.
Sure.
You're one obstinate character, Brian.

Who is Brian?

Some character with an old chip on his shoulder.

That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive.

Four people are mistaken.

At least that many.
If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict?
This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions?



I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How
many more?

You're mistaken about that too. I didn't say there were more, you did.

Dave K8MN

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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't
your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand?
I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim
that Veteran's always have their hands out.
I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps
you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you
find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something
like that? Maybe that's what you remember.

Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian.

Who the heck is Brian?



You said that I was anonymous, didn't you?

You post anonymously. You use neither your name nor your callsign in
your posts.


Didn't you?

Do I have to Google that?

I wouldn't be very optimistic about the outcome.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't
your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand?
I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim
that Veteran's always have their hands out.
I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps
you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you
find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something
like that? Maybe that's what you remember.

Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian.

Who the heck is Brian?

You said that I was anonymous, didn't you?

You post anonymously. You use neither your name nor your callsign in
your posts.

Kindly show me where in Part 97 that I must do so.

Didn't you?

Do I have to Google that?

I wouldn't be very optimistic about the outcome.

Dave K8MN

Dave, you've confused yourself. I'm either anonymous or I'm not. Make
up your mind.

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I wish they'd all leave. :-)

I just wish they'd behave.

"Behave" might be asking just too much. :-)

We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday.
The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the
orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a
Wagnerian Opera setting! :-)

Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed
from a babs streisand concert) .

Heck yes, that's a given...with or without Streisand. :-)

What can you expect from the suddenly-deprived-of-federal-welfare-
emotional-food-stamps? They be HUNGRY and can no longer
crow about their being the top of the food chain in the ARS.

Would be nice if they could go and eat that crow instead.

[don't expect that, either...]

I'm sure that many of them are fair-minded about it. A few won't be.

Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered
"Gotterdammerung!" after slipping...

LA

I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large
branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder
right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common?
;^)

Might be. However, "Gotterdammerbranch" doesn't quite have a
ring to it. :-)

I hope you survived... :-)

LA

For the most part.