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February 9th 07, 12:27 AM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: Leo, I think you realized that I have seen through your cunning plan, What cunning plan? HUSH, Leo! The jig is up...we've been FOUND OUT!!! Le Grande Conspiracie has been shot down! Quick, burn all the classified papers, evacuate the Embassy, then execute Plan B! Egad! He's on to us! Quick, hide! I can't run...I have to stay and feed my dog Fideaux some Alpeaux dog food... Cranky Spanky seems to think he is "Jim Phelps." Little does he know that not only will "the Secretary disavow any knowledge of him" but never knew him in the first place and doesn't have ANY tape that self-destructs in five seconds! :-) cue theme from "Mission Impopsicle" ...for a guy who supposedly made it all the way to a Masters degree, he seems to have a great deal of trouble thinking 'outside the box'. He hasn't been able to open it yet. Leo, I'm debating on whether or not to submit Cranky as an "unforgettable character I've met" article to Readers Digest. I'm afraid that your article would be returned without the $100 cheque - he's actually quite forgettable....  I agree. :-) I've a hunch that it would be too far-out and be undigestable to the Digest. :-) As far out as the Moon, I'll bet - say, how far is that, anyway? I have conflicting figures here from some 'engineer' in this group, who will remain useless..... Heh heh heh. Moon? A mere quarter-million miles away, but saying that off-hand is classified as an ERROR and MISTAKE to Cranky. He gonna do da Spanky and demand 6-digit absolute numbers or have me taken out and shot for making a MISTAKE! Nah, Cranky no be wrong. Ever. "CB" radio (as all know it today) on 11m was authorized in the USA in 1958. It was in all the electronics trade papers and Regulations of our FCC. In 1958 little Cranky was just beginning to read, but might have reached 13 WPM level in morse code... The ****y pedant is correct in saying CLASS A and CLASS B Citizens Band radio existed prior to 1958 but that was above 400 MHz and never became a market best-seller. The 11m Citizens Band here was CLASS C (radio control, now in our Part 95 regs as "Radio Control Radio Service") and CLASS D (23 channels of radiotelephone, sharing channel 23 with R-C). The old A and B classes of Citizens Band were eliminated several years back (maybe decades, exact date immaterial to normal folks). By the time of regulation changes to "CB" here, the number of channels was expanded to 40. Not that THAT helped since there were at least a million "11m" CB radios in-use here then and more in various world nations. Hardly anything but heterodynes. [at least they were 'hetero', it would be hell if they were 'homodynes'...:-) ] Heil on the break-in: "You aren't funny, Leonard!" :-) cue theme from "Moonlight Zone" ...or the theme from 'Trailer Park Boys' Theme from "Clockwork Yellow"? "2007: A Code Oddity"? Bon chance, mon ami, salute, La guerre, la guerre....tojours la guerre! snappy salute Oui. Always the WORD WAR 3 bitter fight waged by morsemen... Well, after feeding Fideaux with Alpeaux I might have a pizza with peppereaunix...? As I eat that I'll read biographies of Guglielmeaux Marconeaunix and Phileaux Farnsworth. Leonardeaux |
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#2
February 9th 07, 12:49 AM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
On 8 Feb 2007 16:27:11 -0800, "
wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: Leo, I think you realized that I have seen through your cunning plan, What cunning plan? HUSH, Leo! The jig is up...we've been FOUND OUT!!! Le Grande Conspiracie has been shot down! Quick, burn all the classified papers, evacuate the Embassy, then execute Plan B! Egad! He's on to us! Quick, hide! I can't run...I have to stay and feed my dog Fideaux some Alpeaux dog food... Cranky Spanky seems to think he is "Jim Phelps." Little does he know that not only will "the Secretary disavow any knowledge of him" but never knew him in the first place and doesn't have ANY tape that self-destructs in five seconds! :-) cue theme from "Mission Impopsicle" ...for a guy who supposedly made it all the way to a Masters degree, he seems to have a great deal of trouble thinking 'outside the box'. He hasn't been able to open it yet. I believe that you're right! Leo, I'm debating on whether or not to submit Cranky as an "unforgettable character I've met" article to Readers Digest. I'm afraid that your article would be returned without the $100 cheque - he's actually quite forgettable.... I agree. :-) Thought you might! I've a hunch that it would be too far-out and be undigestable to the Digest. :-) As far out as the Moon, I'll bet - say, how far is that, anyway? I have conflicting figures here from some 'engineer' in this group, who will remain useless..... Heh heh heh. Moon? A mere quarter-million miles away, but saying that off-hand is classified as an ERROR and MISTAKE to Cranky. He gonna do da Spanky and demand 6-digit absolute numbers or have me taken out and shot for making a MISTAKE! If we're lucky, he won't recalculate that by himself. It took weeks to wash the crap out of the newsgroup after he did that the first time! Nah, Cranky no be wrong. Ever. "CB" radio (as all know it today) on 11m was authorized in the USA in 1958. It was in all the electronics trade papers and Regulations of our FCC. In 1958 little Cranky was just beginning to read, but might have reached 13 WPM level in morse code... A stellar accomplishment, by any measure, that! The ****y pedant is correct in saying CLASS A and CLASS B Citizens Band radio existed prior to 1958 but that was above 400 MHz and never became a market best-seller. The 11m Citizens Band here was CLASS C (radio control, now in our Part 95 regs as "Radio Control Radio Service") and CLASS D (23 channels of radiotelephone, sharing channel 23 with R-C). The old A and B classes of Citizens Band were eliminated several years back (maybe decades, exact date immaterial to normal folks). By the time of regulation changes to "CB" here, the number of channels was expanded to 40. Not that THAT helped since there were at least a million "11m" CB radios in-use here then and more in various world nations. Hardly anything but heterodynes. [at least they were 'hetero', it would be hell if they were 'homodynes'...:-) ] The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt useable by the target audience. Sure, there were transceivers available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks, and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out, there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the '50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) . But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed in 1945. What an idiot! This guy is proof that you shouldn't sign your organ donor card without reading it very carefully - looks like they came for his brain a few years early! Heil on the break-in: "You aren't funny, Leonard!" I'd suggest taking his word as Gospel on that subject - Dave is an expert on the subject of "not funny". But, on the plus side, he can sign his organ donor card any time. I do find it unusual that the US Diplomatic Corpse did not require that particular characteristic from their employees! You'd think that that would be a prerequisite..... :-) cue theme from "Moonlight Zone" ...or the theme from 'Trailer Park Boys' Theme from "Clockwork Yellow"? "2007: A Code Oddity"? That works too! Bon chance, mon ami, salute, La guerre, la guerre....tojours la guerre! snappy salute Oui. Always the WORD WAR 3 bitter fight waged by morsemen... Well, after feeding Fideaux with Alpeaux I might have a pizza with peppereaunix...? As I eat that I'll read biographies of Guglielmeaux Marconeaunix and Phileaux Farnsworth. Leonardeaux au revoir pour maintenant, mon ami - voyez-vous bientôt ! 73, Leoaux (?) |
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February 9th 07, 07:17 AM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500
wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: ...for a guy who supposedly made it all the way to a Masters degree, he seems to have a great deal of trouble thinking 'outside the box'. He hasn't been able to open it yet. I believe that you're right! With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they never do remove the pretty wrappings. shrug Leo, I'm debating on whether or not to submit Cranky as an "unforgettable character I've met" article to Readers Digest. I'm afraid that your article would be returned without the $100 cheque - he's actually quite forgettable.... I agree. :-) Thought you might! On second thought, Asimov's Science Fiction might be interested... :-) Nah, Cranky no be wrong. Ever. "CB" radio (as all know it today) on 11m was authorized in the USA in 1958. It was in all the electronics trade papers and Regulations of our FCC. In 1958 little Cranky was just beginning to read, but might have reached 13 WPM level in morse code... A stellar accomplishment, by any measure, that! A Nova! Ah, but later in life came the Bossy Nova! ...and the beat goes on... The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt useable by the target audience. Sure, there were transceivers available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks, and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out, there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the '50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) . Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE "simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated oscillator cum super-regen detector. Forgot who made it but it was really cheap in everything inside. I had gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a link down in Inglewood, CA. It would reach, at best, a mile and a half. That was in the later 1950s and the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily. Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just tossed it a year later. :-( But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed in 1945. Not quite. Our FCC was struggling mightily with all sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in gorgeous black and white. FM broadcast was about to move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band" (30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about 160 MHz). It would seem that the original US Citizens Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. Manufacturers started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube- only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur "11m" band (not an International allocation) and the rest was history. Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services wanting this and that plus the electronics industry had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been suitable). Our FCC was barely keeping up with the changes everywhere. Again, "CB" was an afterthought radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge in off-shore design and production that would flood N. America by a decade later. What an idiot! This guy is proof that you shouldn't sign your organ donor card without reading it very carefully - looks like they came for his brain a few years early! Now, now... :-) Heil on the break-in: "You aren't funny, Leonard!" I'd suggest taking his word as Gospel on that subject - Dave is an expert on the subject of "not funny". Jawholl! heels click together, monocle snaps in place But, on the plus side, he can sign his organ donor card any time. Pity the recipient... I do find it unusual that the US Diplomatic Corpse did not require that particular characteristic from their employees! You'd think that that would be a prerequisite..... NOT in Foggy Bottom (part of DC). The soubriquet of "Ugly American" was bestowed honestly by those in foreign lands. :-( I'm one US citizen who hasn't been happy with State for a couple decades. Of course the koff Presidents steer our State Department so that may explain much. On the other hand, the first new US Embassy in Moscow was a bugging disaster and we had to scrap it. KGB must have had a ball stuffing bugs in that building. Where were the State inspectors? Busy buying up souvenirs at the GUM? Bon chance, mon ami, salute, La guerre, la guerre....tojours la guerre! snappy salute Oui. Always the WORD WAR 3 bitter fight waged by morsemen... Well, after feeding Fideaux with Alpeaux I might have a pizza with peppereaunix...? As I eat that I'll read biographies of Guglielmeaux Marconeaunix and Phileaux Farnsworth. Leonardeaux au revoir pour maintenant, mon ami - voyez-vous bientôt ! 73, Leoaux (?) I'll see if I can get a "Martin Brandeaux'" lexicon to help you with names. :-) Aw reservoir, LA |
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February 9th 07, 11:56 AM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
On Feb 9, 2:17�am, "
wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: * *With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they * *never do remove the pretty wrappings. *shrug You mean like the box your license is in? The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt useable by the target audience. *Sure, there were transceivers available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks, and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out, there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the '50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) . * *Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE * *"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated * *oscillator cum super-regen detector. *Forgot who made * *it but it was really cheap in everything inside. * Do you mean the Vocaline unit? There were others. Google "Al Gross". I had * *gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a * *link down in Inglewood, CA. *It would reach, at best, * *a mile and a half. *That was in the later 1950s and * *the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had * *already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily. * *Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but * *the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just * *tossed it a year later. *:-( But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed in 1945. So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that. * *Not quite. *Our FCC was struggling mightily with all * *sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes * *back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in * *gorgeous black and white. *FM broadcast was about to * *move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various * *public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band" * *(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about * *160 MHz). *It would seem that the original US Citizens * *Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. *Manufacturers * *started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube- * *only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur * *"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the * *rest was history. *Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan * *after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services * *wanting this and that plus the electronics industry * *had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between * *CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been * *suitable). *Our FCC was barely keeping up with the * *changes everywhere. *Again, "CB" was an afterthought * *radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge * *in off-shore design and production that would flood * *N. America by a decade later. So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958. Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error. --- btw, Len old chap: The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You were wrong on that too, some days back. Thanks a heap. |
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February 9th 07, 04:43 PM
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February 10th 07, 07:25 PM
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#7
February 10th 07, 07:56 PM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
On Feb 10, 2:25�pm, Leo wrote:
On 9 Feb 2007 03:56:19 -0800, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:17?am, " wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: * ith some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they *.ever do remove the pretty wrappings. shrug You mean like the box your license is in? The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt useable by the target audience. *ure, there were transceivers available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks, and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out, there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the '50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) . * ell he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE *"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated */scillator cum super-regen detector. *orgot who made *)t but it was really cheap in everything inside. Do you mean the Vocaline unit? There were others. ...of equally unpopular units. *Gross may have been a pioneer, agreed - but the CB service he built units for never got off the ground. According to various sources, he sold over 100,000 units for UHF CB. That's not as popular as 11 meter cb, but it was considerable. By comparison, in 1950 there were only about 100,000 US hams. Al Gross was W8PAL, btw. Google "Al Gross". Here's what some others have to say about him: MIT: http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/gross.html IEEE: http://www.comsoc.org/socstr/org/ope...lgrossmem.html Others: http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/ http://www.retrocom.com/Al%20Gross.htm UHF CB HT http://www.retrocom.com/algross2.htm I had *'otten one free from another who wanted to set up a *,ink down in Inglewood, CA. * t would reach, at best, *! mile and a half. *hat was in the later 1950s and *4he UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had *!lready started to crystalize enough to snap off easily. * till had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but *4he steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just *4ossed it a year later. :-( The Vocaline unit was not made by Al Gross's company. If my sources are correct, in those days it was also legal to build one's own UHF cb unit, or to convert surplus, if the person had the required commercial license. Conversion of inexpensive units like the BC-645 or AN/APS-13 to UHF cb was possible, for those with the knowledge and skill to do so. But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed in 1945. 1948 is the date the rules were in effect. So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that. Brilliantly, you are agreeing with my paraphrase of your own assertion! *Nice reading comprehension.... * Yes, Len was wrong about UHF CB. * ot quite. *ur FCC was struggling mightily with all *3orts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes *"ack then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in *'orgeous black and white. *M broadcast was about to *-ove to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various *0ublic safety agencies wanted to get to "low band" *(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about *160 MHz). * * t would seem that the original US Citizens and on UHF was a sort-of afterthought.anufacturers *3tarted to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube- */nly era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur *"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the *2est was history. *adio-wise, the fit hit the shan *!fter 1958 with all sorts of different radio services *7anting this and that plus the electronics industry *(ad to step in to stop the color TV "war" between BS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been *3uitable). *ur FCC was barely keeping up with the *#hanges everywhere. gain, "CB" was an afterthought *2adio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge *)n off-shore design and production that would flood * . America by a decade later. So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958. They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced with a far more practical one in '58. 100,000 units sold by a single company isn't practical? Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error. LOL! Whether or not UHF CB was "practical" in Len's or "Leo's" opinion is besides the point, too. The fact is that CB was created by FCC in 1948, not 1958, and it *was* used. It just wasn't as popular as 27 MHz cb would eventually turn out to be. --- btw, Len old chap: The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You were wrong on that too, some days back. A fact, perhaps....at last! Check out the numbers. Technicians amount to less than half the total. Even if one considers Technicians and Technician Pluses combined, the total is less than half. Jim, N2EY |
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February 10th 07, 11:58 PM
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From: Leo on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:25:53 -0500
On Feb 9, 2:17?am, " wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958. They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced with a far more practical one in '58. I wonder what part of CB eludes Cranky Spanky's understanding? "CB" AS IT IS KNOWN *NOW* has been around for 49 years. Certainly for 48 years since the original ELEVEN METER CITIZENS BAND's two new allocations were announced later in 1958. Note: One MUST be SUPER ACCURATE in saying anything to Cranky Spanky; any approximation will be punishable by his being on your case for his 7-year itching. :-) Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error. LOL! I can just see L'Enfant Terrible* reading Radio & Television News magazine in 1958 when it had a feature article on this new Citizens Band - L'Enfant slams down the magazine and shouts to the world, "IT WAS ALREADY THERE YOU IDIOTS, ADMIT IT!!! RADIO AND TELEVISION NEWS IS WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! AND MAKES FACTUAL ERRORS!!!!!!" Then he stalked off looking for mommie and a clean pair of training pants. * sounds very classy when Alex Trebek says it on "Jeopardy" but it has the same meaning as "mean little kid." :-) The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You were wrong on that too, some days back. A fact, perhaps....at last! (whew - that took a while!) Not quite... From the daily stats at www.hamdata.com for 10 Feb 07, 14:19 UTC: Technician 311,157 Technician Plus 40,654 Novice 29,253 General 142,153 Advanced 76,664 Extra 111,393 Club Calls 10,329 Total, ALL 721,603 Club Calls can be subracted from the Total since they are not those of individuals. In that case the total number of INDIVIDUAL USA amateur radio licensees is 711,274. Based on 711,274 individuals, the percentage of licensees by class is, by 10 Feb 07: Technician 43.75% Technician Plus 5.72% Novice 4.11% General 19.99% Advanced 10.78% Extra 15.66% Technician and Technician Plus together = 351,811 or 49.46% 50% of 711,274 is exactly 355,637 or 3,826 more than 351,811. If this sissy-fuss wants to keep rolling his "factual error" rock uphill all the time, let him. [that's a play on words for all youse who be un-eddycated, about the mythical king Sisyphus] However, all should be able to get the "sissy-fuss" moniker since Cranky be da sissy and all fussy-fussy about "accuracy." :-) On the home page of www.hamdata.com is a small block of licensee numbers for the last 12 months: New Licensees: 22,006 Expired Licenses: 28,618 Based on that the LOSS in 12 Months = 6,612 There's NO WAY of escaping the NUMERICAL FACT that USA amateur radio licensee numbers are DECREASING, and have been decreasing for nearly 4 years. The pro-coders' constant argument is "the original no-code techs grace period is up and they've quit ham radio" or words to that effect. Oh, my, but that does NOT make sense when NEW "no-code techs" are INCREASING at an average rate of THIRTY-TWO per day! The is by far the greatest increase per class. Cranky has many times tried to rationalize that the amateur extra is the "largest increasing class" but, again, the numbers never fitted his "explanation." However, Cranky is an extra, so therefore he is "right." :-) Upgraders are those already licensed who are just changing their license class...they neither increase nor decrease the total number of licensees. Based on that Hamdata delta of 6,612 LOSS in 12 months, that represents a LOSS of 18 per day in the USA! [6,612 / 365 = 18.115] But, but, but...cry the rationalizing a-souls of the morse persuasion, *WE* don't change (they probably claim immortality as well, as Robesin once did in here). They are NEVER wrong, by their own implicit perfection of encyclical utterance. Ave. Sigh. Bon your, LA |
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February 11th 07, 07:38 PM
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
On 10 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0800, "
wrote: From: Leo on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:25:53 -0500 On Feb 9, 2:17?am, " wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958. They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced with a far more practical one in '58. I wonder what part of CB eludes Cranky Spanky's understanding? "CB" AS IT IS KNOWN *NOW* has been around for 49 years. Certainly for 48 years since the original ELEVEN METER CITIZENS BAND's two new allocations were announced later in 1958. Note: One MUST be SUPER ACCURATE in saying anything to Cranky Spanky; any approximation will be punishable by his being on your case for his 7-year itching. :-) 7 years so far, anyway.....who knows how long he'll go on? Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error. LOL! I can just see L'Enfant Terrible* reading Radio & Television News magazine in 1958 when it had a feature article on this new Citizens Band - L'Enfant slams down the magazine and shouts to the world, "IT WAS ALREADY THERE YOU IDIOTS, ADMIT IT!!! RADIO AND TELEVISION NEWS IS WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! AND MAKES FACTUAL ERRORS!!!!!!" Then he stalked off looking for mommie and a clean pair of training pants. Heh....I read that same article in an old copy of Radio And Television News a couple of years ago (an old copy I found at a hamfest). Of course they were wrong! * sounds very classy when Alex Trebek says it on "Jeopardy" but it has the same meaning as "mean little kid." :-) The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You were wrong on that too, some days back. A fact, perhaps....at last! (whew - that took a while!) Not quite... Houston.....we have a problem.....again...... From the daily stats at www.hamdata.com for 10 Feb 07, 14:19 UTC: Technician 311,157 Technician Plus 40,654 Novice 29,253 General 142,153 Advanced 76,664 Extra 111,393 Club Calls 10,329 Total, ALL 721,603 Club Calls can be subracted from the Total since they are not those of individuals. In that case the total number of INDIVIDUAL USA amateur radio licensees is 711,274. Based on 711,274 individuals, the percentage of licensees by class is, by 10 Feb 07: Technician 43.75% Technician Plus 5.72% Novice 4.11% General 19.99% Advanced 10.78% Extra 15.66% Technician and Technician Plus together = 351,811 or 49.46% 50% of 711,274 is exactly 355,637 or 3,826 more than 351,811. If this sissy-fuss wants to keep rolling his "factual error" rock uphill all the time, let him. [that's a play on words for all youse who be un-eddycated, about the mythical king Sisyphus] However, all should be able to get the "sissy-fuss" moniker since Cranky be da sissy and all fussy-fussy about "accuracy." :-) ......don't challenge him at mathematics - he's an expert in that field! Maybe you can play his game, and say that you were just approximating? On the home page of www.hamdata.com is a small block of licensee numbers for the last 12 months: New Licensees: 22,006 Expired Licenses: 28,618 Based on that the LOSS in 12 Months = 6,612 There's NO WAY of escaping the NUMERICAL FACT that USA amateur radio licensee numbers are DECREASING, and have been decreasing for nearly 4 years. The pro-coders' constant argument is "the original no-code techs grace period is up and they've quit ham radio" or words to that effect. Oh, my, but that does NOT make sense when NEW "no-code techs" are INCREASING at an average rate of THIRTY-TWO per day! The is by far the greatest increase per class. Cranky has many times tried to rationalize that the amateur extra is the "largest increasing class" but, again, the numbers never fitted his "explanation." However, Cranky is an extra, so therefore he is "right." :-) Upgraders are those already licensed who are just changing their license class...they neither increase nor decrease the total number of licensees. Based on that Hamdata delta of 6,612 LOSS in 12 months, that represents a LOSS of 18 per day in the USA! [6,612 / 365 = 18.115] ....and never the right one (sigh again) But, but, but...cry the rationalizing a-souls of the morse persuasion, *WE* don't change (they probably claim immortality as well, as Robesin once did in here). They are NEVER wrong, by their own implicit perfection of encyclical utterance. Ave. Sigh. I can't wait to see N2-D2's flabbergasted response to this post......and about how wrong you are again.....(sigh) Bon your, LA De rien! 73, Leo |
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Quantity Over Quality (Was: Unwritten policy and the intent of the average amateur ...)
From: Leo on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:25:53 -0500
On Feb 9, 2:17?am, " wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500 wrote: From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote: On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote: On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote: So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958. They created an impractical CB service which would later be replaced with a far more practical one in '58. I wonder what part of CB eludes Cranky Spanky's understanding? "CB" AS IT IS KNOWN *NOW* has been around for 49 years. Certainly for 48 years since the original ELEVEN METER CITIZENS BAND's two new allocations were announced later in 1958. Note: One MUST be SUPER ACCURATE in saying anything to Cranky Spanky; any approximation will be punishable by his being on your case for his 7-year itching. :-) Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error. LOL! I can just see L'Enfant Terrible* reading Radio & Television News magazine in 1958 when it had a feature article on this new Citizens Band - L'Enfant slams down the magazine and shouts to the world, "IT WAS ALREADY THERE YOU IDIOTS, ADMIT IT!!! RADIO AND TELEVISION NEWS IS WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! AND MAKES FACTUAL ERRORS!!!!!!" Then he stalked off looking for mommie and a clean pair of training pants. * sounds very classy when Alex Trebek says it on "Jeopardy" but it has the same meaning as "mean little kid." :-) The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You were wrong on that too, some days back. A fact, perhaps....at last! (whew - that took a while!) Not quite... From the daily stats at www.hamdata.com for 10 Feb 07, 14:19 UTC: Technician 311,157 Technician Plus 40,654 Novice 29,253 General 142,153 Advanced 76,664 Extra 111,393 Club Calls 10,329 Total, ALL 721,603 Club Calls can be subracted from the Total since they are not those of individuals. In that case the total number of INDIVIDUAL USA amateur radio licensees is 711,274. Based on 711,274 individuals, the percentage of licensees by class is, by 10 Feb 07: Technician 43.75% Technician Plus 5.72% Novice 4.11% General 19.99% Advanced 10.78% Extra 15.66% Technician and Technician Plus together = 351,811 or 49.46% 50% of 711,274 is exactly 355,637 or 3,826 more than 351,811. If this sissy-fuss wants to keep rolling his "factual error" rock uphill all the time, let him. [that's a play on words for all youse who be un-eddycated, about the mythical king Sisyphus] However, all should be able to get the "sissy-fuss" moniker since Cranky be da sissy and all fussy-fussy about "accuracy." :-) On the home page of www.hamdata.com is a small block of licensee numbers for the last 12 months: New Licensees: 22,006 Expired Licenses: 28,618 Based on that the LOSS in 12 Months = 6,612 There's NO WAY of escaping the NUMERICAL FACT that USA amateur radio licensee numbers are DECREASING, and have been decreasing for nearly 4 years. The pro-coders' constant argument is "the original no-code techs grace period is up and they've quit ham radio" or words to that effect. Oh, my, but that does NOT make sense when NEW "no-code techs" are INCREASING at an average rate of THIRTY-TWO per day! The is by far the greatest increase per class. Cranky has many times tried to rationalize that the amateur extra is the "largest increasing class" but, again, the numbers never fitted his "explanation." However, Cranky is an extra, so therefore he is "right." :-) Upgraders are those already licensed who are just changing their license class...they neither increase nor decrease the total number of licensees. Based on that Hamdata data of 28,618 EXPIRATIONS in 12 months, that represents a LOSS of 78 per day in the USA! [28,618 / 365 = 78.405] If the newcomers weren't coming in via the no-code tech route, the USA ham license totals would have been shrinking much faster. But, but, but...cry the rationalizing a-souls of the morse persuasion, *WE* don't change (they probably claim immortality as well, as Robesin once did in here). They are NEVER wrong, by their own implicit perfection of encyclical utterance. Ave. Sigh. Bon your, LA |
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