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From: Jim Hampton on Jul 17, 3:32 pm
wrote in message Hello, Len I wonder what the number of engineers with BS or higher degrees is doing these days? Since we export jobs to India (for the smart stuff) and China (for the slave labor stuff), no one feels a need to know anything. Well, still IN the electronics industry (although not at regular hours), I don't see that gloomy a picture as far as engineers and technicians are concerned. "Exported jobs" are only in certain occupations, a very few to be exact. What with the availability of multi-channel satellite telephonic relays, lots and lots of telephone-contact jobs have moved to India and similar places...but that is largely in the "service jobs" which don't do that much design, development, and manufacturing. Some software development has moved to India but not some "mass exodus" of jobs...there's still plenty of software development going on within our borders. I don't have any firm numbers on occupation trends but can point you to: www.doleta.gov/jobseekers [Department of Labor} You can check out the in-demand jobs now and projections to the year 2012. By state if you wish. Starting salaries, mid-term salaries, top ten-percent salaries given. This is not a rant for Morse (I think you know me better than that); rather a question as to whether or not folks care to expend even one iota of effort to learn anything of substance. We have more mystics around now and few folks of substance. I had to chuckle about a new website for hams, cbers, and folks that like to discuss *theoretical physics*?!?! Offhand, from my observation out in the southwest corner of the USA, there's lots and lots and lots and lots of folks who DO expend many many "iotas" of effort to learn new things or to keep up with changing trends. For hobby activities in electronics there's a humongous amount of folks interested in robotics of all kinds, a very electronics-intensive hobby...everything from making SMT soldering ovens out of countertop toaster-ovens to all kinds of infra-red and supersonic sensing (with accuracy) and, of course, microprocessor programming. At least two monthly periodicals on such things as well as the good old Nuts and Volts magazine. Case in point involves Neil Hecht's cute little microcontroller frequency meter with readout that he sells out of AADE in Seattle, WA. Very popular unit to mod any old receiver or transmitter for accurate frequency indication. However, like all such microcontroller-architecture units, it outputs some stray RF that can get into receiver front ends. A fella on AOL came up with a NON-microcontroller frequency meter in a very small size, a conventional time-base gated counter with presets that does the same but with much less stray RF output. Full plans and PCBExpress data files for the three small PCBs that hold SMD logic packages, detailed parts list, schematics, etc. In effect, it is a fully engineered project, both electrical and mechanical. Lots of thought went into it. There's all kinds of that "lots of thought" project stuff out on the web if anyone cares to look. "Mystics?" Those have always been around...for centuries before you and I existed. Mostly those are con-artists duping the lay people by all kinds of "magic." I don't concern myself with those since I recognize what they are and who the people who frequent such places are...from curiosity looking in to some BBSs years ago. Right. Perhaps we should hire a priest to sprinkle some Holy Water on the group to fix everything LOL. Turn the power off the group first. We don't want them with shorts. All one needs is a scientific calculator or compooter and punch the numbers in. THANK THE LORD for providing humans with minds to think those things up!!! Funny how some folks can't even make change without a calculator. Just punch the number into the calculator. I have two "everyday" watches. One is a La Crosse radio watch that sets itself to WWVB between midnight and 6 AM. Made in China. Don't know where the engineering design came from other than its been done for years by hobbyists and is in the example software from PIC Microchip (freebie). Cost me all of $30 plus change (shipping included) via e-order. The other is a watch-calculator purchased at the Sav-On drug store chain for $15 plus tax. I wear that one for shopping to check out totals and tax and things. The little microprocessor inside handles the watch functions and the four-function calculator functions plus decoding the little "keyboard." At home, I've got an excellent programmable scientific calculator from HP, an HP 32S II bought at Fry's (a supermarket of consumer electronics here in the west) for $60 plus tax. CMOS circuitry allows the long-life batteries to keep all memories "alive" with the last calculations. Many, many built-in functions including conversions Metric-English, etc., plus constant storage and a small memory for program storage. Batteries last for over five years. Two Pi is always stored in there to 10 places for convenience and it does do complex number arithmetic, keeping the real and imaginary parts separate. Excellent unit! A newer HP-33S came out in late 2004 for about $55, essentially the same guts but a "trendy" keyboard styling I don't personally care for. Uh, was that +i or -i ... or was that j? Impedance? Um .... is that like series or parallel resistors? Just punch the numbers in. I certainly hope that someone understands what they are punching in. I do and so do all my compadres in the electronics biz here. If others don't know, that's their choice...but they can't say they are "superior" to those who DO know. :-) If someone doesn't know Z and Y but show a sincere desire to learn, I'll try to help them learn. [if they demand I teach them they will get an "impedance" up their I/O ports...:-) ] Gawd, what are these things? Resistors, but how are they connected. Someone said something about a bridge? Now what? Ohm ohm on the range ..... ...where the dits and dahs all do play...? :-) Have a good one, Len. I'm heading to the 'fridge to get a couple of tall, cool 807s. Good on that...but just don't bite off the plate cap with yer teeth. Remember: Vacuum sucks! :-) bit bit |
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wrote in message ups.com... From: Jim Hampton on Jul 17, 3:32 pm wrote in message Hello, Len I wonder what the number of engineers with BS or higher degrees is doing these days? Since we export jobs to India (for the smart stuff) and China (for the slave labor stuff), no one feels a need to know anything. Well, still IN the electronics industry (although not at regular hours), I don't see that gloomy a picture as far as engineers and technicians are concerned. "Exported jobs" are only in certain occupations, a very few to be exact. What with the availability of multi-channel satellite telephonic relays, lots and lots of telephone-contact jobs have moved to India and similar places...but that is largely in the "service jobs" which don't do that much design, development, and manufacturing. Some software development has moved to India but not some "mass exodus" of jobs...there's still plenty of software development going on within our borders. I don't have any firm numbers on occupation trends but can point you to: www.doleta.gov/jobseekers [Department of Labor} You can check out the in-demand jobs now and projections to the year 2012. By state if you wish. Starting salaries, mid-term salaries, top ten-percent salaries given. This is not a rant for Morse (I think you know me better than that); rather a question as to whether or not folks care to expend even one iota of effort to learn anything of substance. We have more mystics around now and few folks of substance. I had to chuckle about a new website for hams, cbers, and folks that like to discuss *theoretical physics*?!?! Offhand, from my observation out in the southwest corner of the USA, there's lots and lots and lots and lots of folks who DO expend many many "iotas" of effort to learn new things or to keep up with changing trends. For hobby activities in electronics there's a humongous amount of folks interested in robotics of all kinds, a very electronics-intensive hobby...everything from making SMT soldering ovens out of countertop toaster-ovens to all kinds of infra-red and supersonic sensing (with accuracy) and, of course, microprocessor programming. At least two monthly periodicals on such things as well as the good old Nuts and Volts magazine. Case in point involves Neil Hecht's cute little microcontroller frequency meter with readout that he sells out of AADE in Seattle, WA. Very popular unit to mod any old receiver or transmitter for accurate frequency indication. However, like all such microcontroller-architecture units, it outputs some stray RF that can get into receiver front ends. A fella on AOL came up with a NON-microcontroller frequency meter in a very small size, a conventional time-base gated counter with presets that does the same but with much less stray RF output. Full plans and PCBExpress data files for the three small PCBs that hold SMD logic packages, detailed parts list, schematics, etc. In effect, it is a fully engineered project, both electrical and mechanical. Lots of thought went into it. There's all kinds of that "lots of thought" project stuff out on the web if anyone cares to look. "Mystics?" Those have always been around...for centuries before you and I existed. Mostly those are con-artists duping the lay people by all kinds of "magic." I don't concern myself with those since I recognize what they are and who the people who frequent such places are...from curiosity looking in to some BBSs years ago. Right. Perhaps we should hire a priest to sprinkle some Holy Water on the group to fix everything LOL. Turn the power off the group first. We don't want them with shorts. All one needs is a scientific calculator or compooter and punch the numbers in. THANK THE LORD for providing humans with minds to think those things up!!! Funny how some folks can't even make change without a calculator. Just punch the number into the calculator. I have two "everyday" watches. One is a La Crosse radio watch that sets itself to WWVB between midnight and 6 AM. Made in China. Don't know where the engineering design came from other than its been done for years by hobbyists and is in the example software from PIC Microchip (freebie). Cost me all of $30 plus change (shipping included) via e-order. The other is a watch-calculator purchased at the Sav-On drug store chain for $15 plus tax. I wear that one for shopping to check out totals and tax and things. The little microprocessor inside handles the watch functions and the four-function calculator functions plus decoding the little "keyboard." At home, I've got an excellent programmable scientific calculator from HP, an HP 32S II bought at Fry's (a supermarket of consumer electronics here in the west) for $60 plus tax. CMOS circuitry allows the long-life batteries to keep all memories "alive" with the last calculations. Many, many built-in functions including conversions Metric-English, etc., plus constant storage and a small memory for program storage. Batteries last for over five years. Two Pi is always stored in there to 10 places for convenience and it does do complex number arithmetic, keeping the real and imaginary parts separate. Excellent unit! A newer HP-33S came out in late 2004 for about $55, essentially the same guts but a "trendy" keyboard styling I don't personally care for. Uh, was that +i or -i ... or was that j? Impedance? Um .... is that like series or parallel resistors? Just punch the numbers in. I certainly hope that someone understands what they are punching in. I do and so do all my compadres in the electronics biz here. If others don't know, that's their choice...but they can't say they are "superior" to those who DO know. :-) If someone doesn't know Z and Y but show a sincere desire to learn, I'll try to help them learn. [if they demand I teach them they will get an "impedance" up their I/O ports...:-) ] Gawd, what are these things? Resistors, but how are they connected. Someone said something about a bridge? Now what? Ohm ohm on the range ..... ...where the dits and dahs all do play...? :-) Have a good one, Len. I'm heading to the 'fridge to get a couple of tall, cool 807s. Good on that...but just don't bite off the plate cap with yer teeth. Remember: Vacuum sucks! :-) bit bit Hello, Len "where the dits and the dahs play" .... LOL. Cute. As to storing pi to 10 places, I don't need it. I have pi stored in the gray matter to 100 places although I doubt I'd ever need that many places. It took some effort, but I managed to forget some places beyond 100. Yes, there are some folks that wish to learn; my point is that as more and more folks opt out of learning it is only a matter of time before we become a 3rd world country. We are about 8th in the world for broadband penetration. We are about 12th in the world for life expectancy. We'd best raise the terrorist level to red for a while to distract everyone from what is happening. I'm not too sure, but I find a lot of what you say does make sense. I'm sure I'll take a few shots for saying this, but I really am not too worried. What is it you say? "temper fry"? LOL Do have a good one, Len. I may not always agree with you, but you do have some good points and if it takes some stirring of the pot to keep the group thinking, so be it. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 17, 7:37 pm
wrote in message From: Jim Hampton on Jul 17, 3:32 pm wrote in message Hello, Len "where the dits and the dahs play" .... LOL. Cute. Ought to be changed to "where the dits and the dahs all play" in order to fit the music better. :-) As to storing pi to 10 places, I don't need it. I have pi stored in the gray matter to 100 places although I doubt I'd ever need that many places. It took some effort, but I managed to forget some places beyond 100. Holy transcendentals, Batman! A "hundred places?!?" Geez, beyond "3.14159" I never bothered...learned that back in slide-rule days in prehistory of early 1960s...:-) Two Pi gets the "radian frequency" which is a common calculation in resonance, reactance, L and C values, etc. I store 10 places (could store 12) because it doesn't take any more energy than storing 6 places or even 3 in this little HP-32S II. Yes, there are some folks that wish to learn; my point is that as more and more folks opt out of learning it is only a matter of time before we become a 3rd world country. That, sir, will be a lonnnnnng time from now as I see it. Wife and I picked up a new Chebby Malibu MAXX a bit over two weeks ago. Designed and built in Detroit, MI, USA, and is a fine, fine vehicle with all kinds of nice bells and whistles and an excellent ride and handling characteristics. The imports don't quite have as good a one at the same price range, in our estimation...even if the imports were "outselling" the USA-made brands. Chevrolet's ten-percent discount (labeled "employee" pricing) certainly helps boost sales. We went to Ventura for lunch the other day, driving distance about 155 miles total. Ventura has a fine marina with hundreds and hundreds of private boats docked there, most of them a lot heavier displacement than the "sabot" size. :-) Food was good (thanks to regular state and federal inspections) and the highway system was two lanes plus in either direction. Outside air peaked at about 96 F that day but the interior was kept comfortable through air conditioning. That wasn't ox-cart transport...not even if we passed through Oxnard, CA, on the return leg. "Third world?" Not yet. Not even close. We are about 8th in the world for broadband penetration. Oh? Really? The Comcast cable TV to the house is digital with over 200 video channels available...the free ones, that is, haven't counted the pay-per-view channels which are at least a couple dozen more. Fairly "broadband" to me. :-) [not a speck of TVI or RFI over that digital cable TV] We can add high-speed Internet access via Comcast but haven't bothered yet. Same with other cable TV monopolies in the general area. If I want a really big file download like 10 or 20 MB, I just let it run and do something else. We are about 12th in the world for life expectancy. Well, that's probably true enough, but it worries me not. We are what we got in our genes from our parents and general ancestors. Besides, some folks appear to be dead brain-wise anyway, so let THEM worry...! :-) We'd best raise the terrorist level to red for a while to distract everyone from what is happening. Er, not quite. There's other problems (besides the geographic bigotry and ethnic bigotry and "other" bigotry seen in here) due to the rest of the world. Besides terrorism, that is. One thing I've been involved with is RoHS, Reduction of Hazardous Substances, something Yurp has been plugging for and apparently got. NO lead in solder. Wanna see "emergency comms" from the QC department when the stored production boards show up with lots and lots of SHORTS? Dendrites from tin want to grow with time if not damped, something that USED to be damped by the lead in solder. QC at one local company went nuts when RoHS was put into production. More shorts than the men's department at Target. But...everything is "lead free" and toddlers (or 9-year-old amateur extras) won't have to worry about sucking in evil old LEAD from today's parts. Lots and lots of other electronics companies have been experiencing the same problems with RoHS. In order to compete on the world market NOW, the USA has to comply. It's bad enough that workers here want to get paid actual money, but add the cost of RoHS dendrite prevention, and the USA is having a terrible problem with being competitive. The cures for RoHS are several but an NDA keeps me from revealing what was found. I'm not too sure, but I find a lot of what you say does make sense. Careful! Careful! Even HINTING that will get you in trouble in this newsgrope full of brainwashed "traditional" hams. :-) Some of these denizens in this din of inequity have forgotten that electrons, fields, and waves obey their natural laws, NOT the myths and emotionalisms of humans operating under the "traditionalist conservative league-ist" notions. I'm sure I'll take a few shots for saying this, but I really am not too worried. Way to go! Life is tough and then ya die, despite all the titles and awards and certificates (suitable for framing) on the walls. What is it you say? "temper fry"? LOL Only to those that yell out the "halls of Montezuma" thing too much! :-) Do have a good one, Len. I may not always agree with you, but you do have some good points and if it takes some stirring of the pot to keep the group thinking, so be it. "Stir the pot?" Tsk. I am Bonded. "Shaken, not stirred!" Excuse me, "M" just called a meeting...see ya... bit bit |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of July 31, 2005: Novice - 27,975 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,354] Technician - 269,801 (40.6%) [increase of 64,407) Technician Plus - 47,651 (7.2%) [decrease of 81,209] General - 136,167 (20.5%) [increase of 23,490] Advanced - 75,546 (11.4%) [decrease of 24,236] Extra - 106,900 (16.1%) [increase of 28,150] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,452 (47.8%) [decrease of 16,802] Total all classes - 664,040 (decrease of 10,752) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of August 15, 2005: Novice - 27,910 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,419] Technician - 270,309 (40.7%) [increase of 64,915) Technician Plus - 47,392 (7.1%) [decrease of 81,648] General - 136,083 (20.5%) [increase of 23,406] Advanced - 75,435 (11.4%) [decrease of 24,347] Extra - 106,964 (16.1%) [increase of 28,214] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,701 (47.8%) [decrease of 16,553] Total all classes - 664,093 (decrease of 10,699) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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You should add another disclaimer to those figures, for example: "These figures do not include expired hams!" John On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:09:38 -0700, N2EY wrote: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of August 15, 2005: Novice - 27,910 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,419] Technician - 270,309 (40.7%) [increase of 64,915) Technician Plus - 47,392 (7.1%) [decrease of 81,648] General - 136,083 (20.5%) [increase of 23,406] Advanced - 75,435 (11.4%) [decrease of 24,347] Extra - 106,964 (16.1%) [increase of 28,214] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,701 (47.8%) [decrease of 16,553] Total all classes - 664,093 (decrease of 10,699) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... N2EY: You should add another disclaimer to those figures, for example: "These figures do not include expired hams!" John Actually it is most likely that they do include some expired hams. Unless a family member has thought to send the FCC proper notice that the ham has died, he will be carried on the current license list until his license expires due to non-renewal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:09:38 -0700, N2EY wrote: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of August 15, 2005: Novice - 27,910 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,419] Technician - 270,309 (40.7%) [increase of 64,915) Technician Plus - 47,392 (7.1%) [decrease of 81,648] General - 136,083 (20.5%) [increase of 23,406] Advanced - 75,435 (11.4%) [decrease of 24,347] Extra - 106,964 (16.1%) [increase of 28,214] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,701 (47.8%) [decrease of 16,553] Total all classes - 664,093 (decrease of 10,699) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of August 31, 2005: Novice - 27,781 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,548] Technician - 270,663 (40.8%) [increase of 65,269) Technician Plus - 46,998 (7.1%) [decrease of 81,862] General - 135,970 (20.5%) [increase of 23,293] Advanced - 75,293 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,489] Extra - 107,005 (16.1%) [increase of 28,255] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,661 (47.9%) [decrease of 16,593] Total all classes - 663,710 (decrease of 11,082) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of September 15, 2005: Novice - 27,718 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,611] Technician - 271,301 (40.9%) [increase of 65,907) Technician Plus - 46,527 (7.0%) [decrease of 82,333] General - 135,932 (20.5%) [increase of 23,255] Advanced - 75,221 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,561] Extra - 107,068 (16.1%) [increase of 28,318] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,828 (47.9%) [decrease of 16,426] Total all classes - 663,767 (decrease of 11,025) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of September 30, 2005: Novice - 27,651 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,678] Technician - 271,748 (40.9%) [increase of 66,354) Technician Plus - 46,248 (7.0%) [decrease of 82,612] General - 135,902 (20.5%) [increase of 23,225] Advanced - 75,111 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,671] Extra - 107,139 (16.1%) [increase of 28,389] Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,996 (47.9%) [decrease of 16,258] Total all classes - 663,799 (decrease of 10,993) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of October 15, 2005: Novice - 27,606 (4.2%) [decrease of 21,723] Technician - 272,111 (41.0%) [increase of 66,717) Technician Plus - 45,994 (6.9%) [decrease of 82,866] General - 135,881 (20.5%) [increase of 23,204] Advanced - 75,043 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,739] Extra - 107,178 (16.1%) [increase of 28,428] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,105 (47.9%) [decrease of 16,149] Total all classes - 663,788 (decrease of 11,004) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of October 31, 2005: Novice - 27,410 (4.1%) [decrease of 21,919] Technician - 272,682 (41.1%) [increase of 67,288] Technician Plus - 45,612 (6.9%) [decrease of 83,258] General - 135,711 (20.4%) [increase of 23,034] Advanced - 74,900 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,882] Extra - 107,216 (16.2%) [increase of 28,466] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,294 (48.0%) [decrease of 15,960] Total all classes - 663,531 (decrease of 11,261) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Who CHECKS YOUR WORK?
From which website did you obtain this "figures?" How do you KNOW that all those in the grace period have NOT renewed? Without CHECKING those "figures" they would not be ACCURATE. [very UNprofessional!] WHY is it "informative" that you must continue to do the "Speroni Stats" maneuver to "lump" the Technician classes together? Tsk, tsk, tsk...quite a "track record of mistakes there..." bit bit |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of November 15, 2005: Novice - 27,303 (4.1%) [decrease of 22,026] Technician - 273,291 (41.2%) [increase of 67,897] Technician Plus - 45,263 (6.8%) [decrease of 83,597] General - 135,676 (20.4%) [increase of 22,999] Advanced - 74,836 (11.3%) [decrease of 24,946] Extra - 107,297 (16.2%) [increase of 28,547] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,554 (48.0%) [decrease of 15,700] Total all classes - 663,666 (decrease of 11,126) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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From: on Nov 16, 5:53 pm
These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: As of November 15, 2005: So, from which website did Jimmie CRIB these numbers? Does Jimmie know there are OTHER websites with this information? Jimmie hasn't given those. Does Jimmie download the FCC database and do his own sorting and tabulating? If so, he hasn't shown his work or allowed visibility into the source code of his sorting-tabulating program. If these numbers are taken from OTHER sources, Jimmie should state that source in order to be accurate. Why is Jimmie HIDING the source of his information? |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of November 30, 2005: Novice - 26,885 (4.1%) [decrease of 22,444] Technician - 273,794 (41.4%) [increase of 68,400] Technician Plus - 44,527 (6.7%) [decrease of 84,333] General - 135,094 (20.4%) [increase of 22,417] Advanced - 74,373 (11.2%) [decrease of 25,409] Extra - 107,281 (16.2%) [increase of 28,531] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,321 (48.1%) [decrease of 15,933] Total all classes - 661,954 (decrease of 12,838) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message oups.com... These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of November 30, 2005: Novice - 26,885 (4.1%) [decrease of 22,444] Technician - 273,794 (41.4%) [increase of 68,400] Technician Plus - 44,527 (6.7%) [decrease of 84,333] General - 135,094 (20.4%) [increase of 22,417] Advanced - 74,373 (11.2%) [decrease of 25,409] Extra - 107,281 (16.2%) [increase of 28,531] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,321 (48.1%) [decrease of 15,933] Total all classes - 661,954 (decrease of 12,838) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. The interesting aspect of the renewed Tech+ as simply Techs is that from that 4/15/00 date onward there really is no way for anyone to know if a particular tech operating in the Novice segments of HF is actually authorised to do so since the FCC database doesn't record the prior tech+ status, nor does it reflect if/when a tech may have obtained a 5wpm CSCE certificate after 4/15/00. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Bill Sohl wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. The interesting aspect of the renewed Tech+ as simply Techs is that from that 4/15/00 date onward there really is no way for anyone to know if a particular tech operating in the Novice segments of HF is actually authorised to do so since the FCC database doesn't record the prior tech+ status, nor does it reflect if/when a tech may have obtained a 5wpm CSCE certificate after 4/15/00. Hmmm - are you sure the database doesn't show the previous license class, Bill? The only HF privileges allowed to Novices and code- tested Techs are Morse Code on parts of 80/40/15/10, and some 10 meter SSB. So if you hear a Tech operating Morse Code, chances are they could pass the test anyway. Which only leaves 10 ssb. If you look at the enforcement letters from FCC, they have gone after Techs for operating HF in excess of their privileges. But such violations have always been obvious, like a Tech operating 20 or 40 meter SSB. I do know that FCC expects Techs who have passed a code test to retain license documents proving that fact. FCC has put some real oddities into the code-tested-Tech rules. For example, if someone can produce a license document from before February 14, 1991 that clearly says "Technician", they get credit for Element 1. If they can produce a license document that clearly says "Novice" or "Technician Plus", they also get credit for Element 1. These rules apply even if the documents are for a license that expired decades ago, and even if the person holds no current license. But a CSCE for Element 1 that is more than 365 days old conveys no test element credit at all. Yet if the person with the expired Element 1 CSCE is a Technician, that person retains their HF privileges. Seems to me that FCC expects that active hams who are Techs should simply get a General or Extra. If the NPRM is enacted, Techs who are not code tested will have to get a General or Extra to get any HF at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. The interesting aspect of the renewed Tech+ as simply Techs is that from that 4/15/00 date onward there really is no way for anyone to know if a particular tech operating in the Novice segments of HF is actually authorised to do so since the FCC database doesn't record the prior tech+ status, nor does it reflect if/when a tech may have obtained a 5wpm CSCE certificate after 4/15/00. Hmmm - are you sure the database doesn't show the previous license class, Bill? The database does show the previous license class. I just looked up my brother, a Tech Plus, who just renewed. The ULS data now shows Tech with the previous license class listed as Tech Plus. However if they passed the Element 1 after 4/15/05, it won't show. [snip] Seems to me that FCC expects that active hams who are Techs should simply get a General or Extra. If the NPRM is enacted, Techs who are not code tested will have to get a General or Extra to get any HF at all. Actually the NPRM clearly states that very thing. And they refer to it as taking a relatively simple written test, or words to that effect, to upgrade to General. As far as I can see, the FCC in all the various historical changes has never wanted people to remain at the introductory license even when the changes were poorly implemented. It has always looked like their goal was to get people to expand their knowledge/skills and move up in license class. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. The interesting aspect of the renewed Tech+ as simply Techs is that from that 4/15/00 date onward there really is no way for anyone to know if a particular tech operating in the Novice segments of HF is actually authorised to do so since the FCC database doesn't record the prior tech+ status, nor does it reflect if/when a tech may have obtained a 5wpm CSCE certificate after 4/15/00. Cheers, Bill K2UNK It's going to make keeping track of Val Germann/KC0MUB's Morse Code progress a problem, unless Val returns to RRAP to set the record straight. He was the Darling of the eyes rolled back, CW Forever crowd who came on here bashing NCI. Didn't know The Code himself, but he sure was going to learn it. And he was loved for saying so. To date, Val is not coded. |
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wrote: wrote: To date, Val is not coded. How do you know if he passed the code test or not, unless he upgrades to General or Extra? I would know by the alternative method that I stated. The alternative method that you conveniently snipped from my post. You must be really desperate for message points. If he passed Element 1 but not Element 3, he'd still be a Technician, and there would be no indication of his CSCE on the database. If... Hi! |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: To date, Val is not coded. How do you know if he passed the code test or not, unless he upgrades to General or Extra? I would know by the alternative method that I stated. The alternative method that you conveniently snipped from my post. You must be really desperate for message points. he is wining so few lately and of course he is losing THE BIG ONE i missed your post about another message if you would not mind too much repaeting yourself at least for my benifit If he passed Element 1 but not Element 3, he'd still be a Technician, and there would be no indication of his CSCE on the database. If... well my csse seemd to have been recorded as note of change without affecting the license class, In my case it rflects the passing of element 3 (prepareing for the R&O) Hi! |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 (7.3%) Technician - 205,394 (30.4%) Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%) General - 112,677 (16.7%) Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%) Extra - 78,750 (11.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%) Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%) Total all classes - 674,792 As of December 15, 2005: Novice - 26,727 (4.0%) [decrease of 22,602] Technician - 274,332 (41.5%) [increase of 68,938] Technician Plus - 44,127 (6.7%) [decrease of 84,733] General - 134,908 (20.4%) [increase of 22,231] Advanced - 74,191 (11.2%) [decrease of 25,591] Extra - 107,345 (16.2%) [increase of 28,595] Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,459 (48.1%) [decrease of 15,795] Total General/Advanced/Extra - 316,444 (47.8%) [increase of 25,235] Total all classes - 661,630 (decrease of 13,162) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued. Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing Technician Plus licenses as Technician. It is therefore informative to consider the totals of the two classes, since the Technician class includes a significant number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On 16 Dec 2005 14:50:22 -0800, wrote in
. com: snip Total all classes - 661,630 (decrease of 13,162) Oh no!!! Better get them ham recruiters out to those high-schools and colleges and uni-varsities..... gotta sign them up young ya know..... can't have them becoming professionals until after they pass through the amateur ranks!!!! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Frank Gilliland wrote: On 16 Dec 2005 14:50:22 -0800, wrote in . com: snip Total all classes - 661,630 (decrease of 13,162) Oh no!!! Better get them ham recruiters out to those high-schools and colleges and uni-varsities..... gotta sign them up young ya know..... can't have them becoming professionals until after they pass through the amateur ranks!!!! At first the law professors at the universities tried to stop campus recruiting, but the Supreme Court told them that they took federal dollars, so must allow fed recruiting. Then the law professors decided to use freedom of speech to anti-recruit on campuses, "Hell No, We Won't Go!". |
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an_old_friend wrote:
wrote: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates, and the percentage of the total number of active licenses that class contains: As of May 14, 2000: simple question care to explain or not Mark, Who says "len" is not allowed to count the number of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals? Who says he can't post it here? Not me. Anyone who wants to can post the number of amateur radio licenses. www.hamdata.com is one source, but they include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. www.AH0A.org is another source of license numbers, including those of other countries. I don't use either of those sources for the numbers I post here. |
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Frank Gilliland wrote: On 16 Dec 2005 14:50:22 -0800, wrote in . com: snip Total all classes - 661,630 (decrease of 13,162) Oh no!!! Better get them ham recruiters out to those high-schools and colleges and uni-varsities..... gotta sign them up young ya know..... can't have them becoming professionals until after they pass through the amateur ranks!!!! At first the law professors at the universities tried to stop campus recruiting, but the Supreme Court told them that they took federal dollars, so must allow fed recruiting. Which law professors at which universities? And for which war? Then the law professors decided to use freedom of speech to anti-recruit on campuses, "Hell No, We Won't Go!". Was that not allowed? Must all citizens support all war efforts supported by The President, regardless of their consciences, and regardless of the facts? |
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wrote Was that not allowed? Must all citizens support all war efforts supported by The President, regardless of their consciences, and regardless of the facts? They were allowed to serve "in other ways" such as Navy Corpsman. |
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wrote: wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 16 Dec 2005 14:50:22 -0800, wrote in . com: snip Total all classes - 661,630 (decrease of 13,162) Oh no!!! Better get them ham recruiters out to those high-schools and colleges and uni-varsities..... gotta sign them up young ya know..... can't have them becoming professionals until after they pass through the amateur ranks!!!! At first the law professors at the universities tried to stop campus recruiting, but the Supreme Court told them that they took federal dollars, so must allow fed recruiting. Which law professors at which universities? The ones being interviewed on NPR, whining and crying and wringing "thier" hands. And for which war? The recruitment of hams on High School and College campuses. Everyone's upset about it. Then the law professors decided to use freedom of speech to anti-recruit on campuses, "Hell No, We Won't Go!". Was that not allowed? Must all citizens support all war efforts supported by The President, regardless of their consciences, and regardless of the facts? Fortunately for you, those that served protect the freedoms of those that seved in other ways, or say they served in other ways, or didn't serve at all. |
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KØHB wrote: wrote Was that not allowed? Must all citizens support all war efforts supported by The President, regardless of their consciences, and regardless of the facts? They were allowed to serve "in other ways" such as Navy Corpsman. Jim was a US Navy Corpsman? Doubt it. What does anyone know about Jim? I'm going to guess that within moments of turning 18, he was attending college in Canada. |
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KØHB wrote: wrote Was that not allowed? Must all citizens support all war efforts supported by The President, regardless of their consciences, and regardless of the facts? They were allowed to serve "in other ways" such as Navy Corpsman. Jim was a Navy Corpsman? |
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wrote Jim was a Navy Corpsman? I don't know. Medical branches were one way for objectors to serve; another was a religious chaplain or chaplain assistant. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
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