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Those waivers effectively meant that nobody really had to go beyond
the 5 wpm
test to get a US ham license. All it took was a doctor's note from
*any* MD or
DO, and you could write the letter and get the doc to sign it. You
didn't need
a diagnosis of any particular problem, nor any sort of permanent
condition,
just a rather vague certification that for medical reasons it would be
harder
for you to pass the test than the average bloke.

Do you know of *anyone* who tried and couldn't get a waiver? Or *any*
doc who
was even questioned by FCC? I don't.

I don't even know anybody who got one of those waivers much less how
they pulled it off.

Interesting. Jim says anyone who wanted one could have one.

Kelly says he doesn't know a single waivered ham.

I wonder if there's any middle ground here that comes closer to the truth?

I personally know one person who got a waiver (my ex husband) and was
present at a test session as a candidate where another person got a waiver.

People didn't make a big deal of it so it's hard to say how many got them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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(William) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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. . . . . .

Those waivers effectively meant that nobody really had to go beyond the 5
wpm
test to get a US ham license. All it took was a doctor's note from *any*
MD or
DO, and you could write the letter and get the doc to sign it. You didn't
need
a diagnosis of any particular problem, nor any sort of permanent
condition,
just a rather vague certification that for medical reasons it would be
harder
for you to pass the test than the average bloke.

Do you know of *anyone* who tried and couldn't get a waiver? Or *any* doc
who
was even questioned by FCC? I don't.

I don't even know anybody who got one of those waivers much less how
they pulled it off.

Interesting. Jim says anyone who wanted one could have one.

Kelly says he doesn't know a single waivered ham.

I wonder if there's any middle ground here that comes closer to the truth?

That all depends on the gossip heard at the captain's table during
dinner (served by "drudges").

Whatever it is, it is 100% absolutely guaranteed TRVTH (engraved in
marble) whenever spoken by a PCTA extra. [probably has an
Underwriters' tag attached...]

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(William) writes:

(always write even when wrong) wrote in message
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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. . . . . .

Those waivers effectively meant that nobody really had to go beyond the
5
wpm
test to get a US ham license. All it took was a doctor's note from *any*
MD
or
DO, and you could write the letter and get the doc to sign it. You
didn't
need
a diagnosis of any particular problem, nor any sort of permanent
condition,
just a rather vague certification that for medical reasons it would be
harder
for you to pass the test than the average bloke.

Do you know of *anyone* who tried and couldn't get a waiver? Or *any*
doc
who
was even questioned by FCC? I don't.

I don't even know anybody who got one of those waivers much less how
they pulled it off.

Nobody had to say they got one.

Why open themselves up to mountains of ridicule and scorn?

Preparation for accessing ham newsgroups run by PCTA extras.

:-)

I've known a few hams who did. All they needed
to do was write a letter and get *any* practicing MD or DO to sign it. FCC
gave
detailed instructions about what info should be in the letter. Basically it
could be almost anything medically related.

Steve would say "who better than a licensed medical authority?"

Maybe the ARRL Section Manager would have been a better way to go?
Hi, hi!

Suggest it to Executive President for Life, Sumner. It could be a
great editorial in a QST issue. Another "Miss Ham Manners" thing.

But there was a lot of complaining in some
quarters about waivers, so FCC made 'em go away.

Once more the ADA cut both ways.

Nothing to do with ADA at all.

Waivers came about because ol' JY1 asked Papa Bush for a favor and the Prez
passed the buck down to FCC. FCC dreamed up the medical waiver thing, not
any
handicapped-hams group.

Now you're starting to sound like K3LT. Do you have any opinions wrt
Ten-Ten International?

Jimmie has opinions about everything. Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."

He Knows... :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

Jimmie has opinions about everything. Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."


You've hosed this one up too, Leonard. Anyone who is wrong is wrong.
That isn't to say that the individual is always wrong. If he is wrong
on another occasion, it will no doubt be pointed out.

Foghorn Lenhorn makes statement of fact. All too often his statements
are flat out wrong.

He Knows... :-)

Often, you don't. :-)

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Jimmie has opinions about everything. Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."

You've hosed this one up too, Leonard. Anyone who is wrong is wrong.
That isn't to say that the individual is always wrong. If he is wrong
on another occasion, it will no doubt be pointed out.

Foghorn Lenhorn makes statement of fact. All too often his statements
are flat out wrong.

We've seen Len behave like this many times before, Dave. He simply cannot
tolerate having his mistakes and errors pointed out by someone he considers
inferior - such as me.

It's a plain, simple fact that we got code waivers because JY1 (better known as
King Hussein of Jordan) asked then-president George Bush to do something about
US code test requirements for hams. GB1 told FCC to do something, and we got
medical waivers.

It wasn't because of ADA, or Handi-Hams, or anything like that.

For some reason, Len doesn't like having that sort of thing pointed out.

He's probably also ticked about being proved wrong on his "subdivision was only
possible because of modern frequency synthesizer" statement. Apparently, Len
cannot conceive of the concept of being allowed to operate anywhere within a
given band of frequencies, and of not having to know one's exact QRG within a
few Hz - only that one's transmitted signal is inside the band.

Back about 1961, there was an article by W1ICP in QST showing how to build a
100/50 kHz frequency standard. 6AU6 oscillator, 12AU7 multivibrator (which
today we'd call a flipflop). It was a "Beginner and Novice" article....

All a ham needed was something like that to know where the band and subband
edges were.

But Len just doesn't get it.

He Knows... :-)

Often, you don't. :-)

Exactly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Jimmie has opinions about everything. Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."

You've hosed this one up too, Leonard. Anyone who is wrong is wrong.
That isn't to say that the individual is always wrong. If he is wrong
on another occasion, it will no doubt be pointed out.

Foghorn Lenhorn makes statement of fact. All too often his statements
are flat out wrong.

We've seen Len behave like this many times before, Dave. He simply cannot
tolerate having his mistakes and errors pointed out by someone he considers
inferior - such as me.

It is an upside down world in which a ham, posting in an amateur radio
newsgroup is considered inferior by a non-ham who hangs out here for
reasons known only to himself.

It's a plain, simple fact that we got code waivers because JY1 (better known as
King Hussein of Jordan) asked then-president George Bush to do something about
US code test requirements for hams. GB1 told FCC to do something, and we got
medical waivers.

It wasn't because of ADA, or Handi-Hams, or anything like that.

Leonard isn't about to allow facts to stand in his way.

For some reason, Len doesn't like having that sort of thing pointed out.

I'd say the reason is that he looks foolish when he attempts to
pontificate on something he knows little about.

He's probably also ticked about being proved wrong on his "subdivision was only
possible because of modern frequency synthesizer" statement. Apparently, Len
cannot conceive of the concept of being allowed to operate anywhere within a
given band of frequencies, and of not having to know one's exact QRG within a
few Hz - only that one's transmitted signal is inside the band.

Len is accustomed to using spot frequency channels. The way most
amateur radio operation takes place is outside his field of reference.

Back about 1961, there was an article by W1ICP in QST showing how to build a
100/50 kHz frequency standard. 6AU6 oscillator, 12AU7 multivibrator (which
today we'd call a flipflop). It was a "Beginner and Novice" article....

All a ham needed was something like that to know where the band and subband
edges were.

But Len just doesn't get it.

....because it places the situation outside his "Frequency synthesizers
began appearing in many radio services...." pontification. His status
(the one he doesn't need or want) as expert is invalidated.

Dave K8MN

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

Jimmie has opinions about everything. Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."

You've hosed this one up too, Leonard. Anyone who is wrong is wrong.
That isn't to say that the individual is always wrong. If he is wrong
on another occasion, it will no doubt be pointed out.

Foghorn Lenhorn makes statement of fact. All too often his statements
are flat out wrong.

We've seen Len behave like this many times before, Dave. He simply cannot
tolerate having his mistakes and errors pointed out by someone he considers
inferior - such as me.

Did I say you, specifically, were "inferior?" :-)

You are a PCTA extra. That makes you different than normal people.

Can't compare the PCTA extras with ordinary normal people. :-)


It's a plain, simple fact that we got code waivers because JY1 (better known
as
King Hussein of Jordan) asked then-president George Bush to do something about
US code test requirements for hams. GB1 told FCC to do something, and we got
medical waivers.

It wasn't because of ADA, or Handi-Hams, or anything like that.

For some reason, Len doesn't like having that sort of thing pointed out.

Was I discussing (the late) King Hussein? I don't think so.

The URBAN MYTH that the code test waivers came about is still
not verified by any documentation. That makes it hearsay.

To challenge that urban myth it is not hearsay but heresy. :-)

Show us the documentation that the King of Jordan did all that
you say. Knock yourself out on that one.

Remember, hearsay doesn't hold any water...better get a leak-
proof receptacle.


Back about 1961, there was an article by W1ICP in QST showing how to build a
100/50 kHz frequency standard. 6AU6 oscillator, 12AU7 multivibrator (which
today we'd call a flipflop). It was a "Beginner and Novice" article....

Wow! How about that!

In 1949 I put a 100 KHz controlled 6AU6 (pentode) inside my National
NC-57 receiver. Suggestion of (then) W9ERU (later W7DI but now SK),
Gene Hubbel. No "articles" on how to do it but the James Knights
crystal box had a little suggested-circuit sketch. :-)

No mumblyvibrator needed, harmonics good enough to set the
main tuning dial to use the bandspread.

Gene Hubbel's original suggestion was to use a 2.5 mHy RFC with
a 1000 pFd capacitor (approximate...part of it being a trimmer). Then
he advised me on how the National could be tapped into for power to
the calibrator.

All a ham needed was something like that to know where the band and subband
edges were.

Riiiiight. Like that is SO good to find those new "channels" hams got
in the USA. A nice harmonic-rich "calibrator." :-)

But Len just doesn't get it.

I've "gotten" mine, Jimmie. :-)

Long, long time ago. Back in high school. :-)

So...is it too early to ask about your fellowship position at NIST?

We are all waiting to hear how you've impressed the scientists...

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Jimmie has opinions about everything.

What's wrong with having opinions and expressing them?

Whatt's wrong with knowing facts and stating them?

Each and every one of them
is write and "right." Anyone who disagrees is always "wrong."

That's how *Len* behaves.

You've hosed this one up too, Leonard. Anyone who is wrong is wrong.
That isn't to say that the individual is always wrong. If he is wrong
on another occasion, it will no doubt be pointed out.

Foghorn Lenhorn makes statement of fact. All too often his statements
are flat out wrong.

We've seen Len behave like this many times before, Dave. He simply cannot
tolerate having his mistakes and errors pointed out by someone he considers
inferior - such as me.

It is an upside down world in which a ham, posting in an amateur radio
newsgroup is considered inferior by a non-ham who hangs out here for
reasons known only to himself.

Len has stated that his mission is to eliminate the Morse Code test. Yet he
goes off on all kinds of subjects that have nothing to do with the Morse Code
test.

It's a plain, simple fact that we got code waivers because JY1 (better
known as
King Hussein of Jordan) asked then-president George Bush to do something
about
US code test requirements for hams. GB1 told FCC to do something, and we
got medical waivers.

It wasn't because of ADA, or Handi-Hams, or anything like that.

Leonard isn't about to allow facts to stand in his way.

Of course not. Never mind that the above facts came from someone who worked for
FCC and who explained the whole process.

Len never worked for FCC.

For some reason, Len doesn't like having that sort of thing pointed out.

I'd say the reason is that he looks foolish when he attempts to
pontificate on something he knows little about.

Perhaps. Or perhaps he is very threatened and afraid of being shown to be wrong
about something, because if he admits a mistake in one area, he might also be
mistaken in another area.

Even worse, Len might have to deal with the idea that different people have
different opinions, and that others are not wrong or inferior because they
disagree with him.

For example, it is my opinion that Morse Code testing for an amateur radio
license should continue and be expanded. It is Len's opinion that Morse Code
testing for an amateur radio license should be competely discontinued.

Both opinions have supporting arguments behind them. Ultimately, though, it all
comes down to which arguments are considered most significant - which is just
another way of defining an opinion.

He's probably also ticked about being proved wrong on his "subdivision was
only
possible because of modern frequency synthesizer" statement. Apparently,
Len
cannot conceive of the concept of being allowed to operate anywhere within
a
given band of frequencies, and of not having to know one's exact QRG within
a
few Hz - only that one's transmitted signal is inside the band.

Len is accustomed to using spot frequency channels. The way most
amateur radio operation takes place is outside his field of reference.

Exactly. It appears that he wants/needs for Amateur Radio to conform to those
radio services he has some experience in, such as citizens band and GMRS/FRS.

The *freedom* with which hams operate is obviously very threatening to Len.

Note also that the subject under discussion was the ability of hams to stay
within their bands and subbands, not the ability to dial up a specific QRG. Yet
Len tries to push the discussion away from the subject.

Back about 1961, there was an article by W1ICP in QST showing how to build
a
100/50 kHz frequency standard. 6AU6 oscillator, 12AU7 multivibrator (which
today we'd call a flipflop). It was a "Beginner and Novice" article....

All a ham needed was something like that to know where the band and
subband
edges were.

But Len just doesn't get it.

In 1961, when that article was written, all US amateur HF bands and subbands
were on multiples of 100 or 50 kHz. (160 is MF not HF). Thus, the need for a
divider. When incentive licensing was enacted, some subband edges were on
multiples of 25 kHz, requiring another multivibrator. But by that time, IC
dividers were common enough that a simple 100/50/25 kHz standard could be made
from a couple of ICs.

No synthesizer needed at all.

...because it places the situation outside his "Frequency synthesizers
began appearing in many radio services...." pontification. His status
(the one he doesn't need or want) as expert is invalidated.

I'm sure there are areas of knowledge where Len is an expert. Amateur radio is
not one of them.

73 de Jim, N2EY

These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of September 30, 2004:

Novice - 30,302 (decrease of 19,027)
Technician - 264,057 (increase of 58,663)
Technician Plus - 56,472 (decrease of 72,388)
General - 138,753 (increase of 26,076)
Advanced - 78,699 (decrease of 21,083)
Extra - 105,834 (increase of 27,084)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,529 (decrease of 13,725)

Total all classes - 674,117 (decrease of 675)

73 de Jim, N2EY

2 months in a row with BIG Declines, guess what the DUMBING DOWN isnt working.
Must mean the CW Test wasnt the Problem.

Must mean the CW Test wasnt the Problem.
It never was
--
Keyboard to you


"WA8ULX" wrote in message
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2 months in a row with BIG Declines, guess what the DUMBING DOWN isnt
working.
Must mean the CW Test wasnt the Problem.

Must mean the CW Test wasnt the Problem.
It never was
--

Everybody knows that, but the No Code Crowd Claimed that was the reason.

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of September 30, 2004:

Novice - 30,302 (decrease of 19,027)
Technician - 264,057 (increase of 58,663)
Technician Plus - 56,472 (decrease of 72,388)
General - 138,753 (increase of 26,076)
Advanced - 78,699 (decrease of 21,083)
Extra - 105,834 (increase of 27,084)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,529 (decrease of 13,725)

Total all classes - 674,117 (decrease of 675)

73 de Jim, N2EY


Looks like we are slowly heading for a one class system and at the highest
class at that as the greatest increase was in the number of Extras. On a
percent growth basis, it's even more noticeable. The Extra class grew 34%
in that time period.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Looks like we are slowly heading for a one class system and at the highest
class at that as the greatest increase was in the number of Extras.

I hope that wasnt a surprise. Now that the EXTRA is pretty much a NO Brainer
test.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

Looks like we are slowly heading for a one class system and at the highest
class at that as the greatest increase was in the number of Extras. On a
percent growth basis, it's even more noticeable. The Extra class grew 34%
in that time period.

If you consider the Tech and Tech Plus as one class, it sure seems that way,
Dee.

Of course Novice, Advanced and Tech Plus have to decrease, because no new ones
are being issued. Extra can only decrease by expiration/cancellation, of
course.

Note how little Advanced has decreased, (percentagewise) though.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

Looks like we are slowly heading for a one class system and at the
highest
class at that as the greatest increase was in the number of Extras. On a
percent growth basis, it's even more noticeable. The Extra class grew
34%
in that time period.

If you consider the Tech and Tech Plus as one class, it sure seems that
way,
Dee.


Yes I believe it is necessary to consider them one class. Some new Techs
still do test for code and get HF privileges yet will only be listed as
Techs while all Tech Plus licensees will be listed as Tech after their next
renewal.

Of course Novice, Advanced and Tech Plus have to decrease, because no new
ones
are being issued. Extra can only decrease by expiration/cancellation, of
course.

Note how little Advanced has decreased, (percentagewise) though.

Yet shouldn't the Advanced be decreasing rapidly since they can now go to
Extra with little effort (they already know the toughest part of the
material from their Advanced study)? Is it that many haven't heard of the
licensing changes, or are they hung up on having a class that "proves" they
passed 13wpm (it doesn't since waivers have been around for over 10 years),
or are they simply satisfied with the range of frequencies that they have?

The minimal decrease in Advanced licensees would tend to lead me to believe
that the majority of people now receiving their Extra class licenses are
relatively new. They are the ones who just keep going after they pass that
first test. This would also explain the apparently low growth in Tech/Tech+
and General. They aren't in those classes long enough to get counted in
your postings under those classes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

Looks like we are slowly heading for a one class system and at the
highest
class at that as the greatest increase was in the number of Extras. On a
percent growth basis, it's even more noticeable. The Extra class grew
34%
in that time period.

If you consider the Tech and Tech Plus as one class, it sure seems that
way,
Dee.


Yes I believe it is necessary to consider them one class. Some new Techs
still do test for code and get HF privileges yet will only be listed as
Techs while all Tech Plus licensees will be listed as Tech after their next
renewal.

Agreed. Also, if a Novice takes Element 2, s/he gets a Tech, not a Tech Plus,
and retains HF privileges and Element 1 credit as long as s/he keeps the old
Novice documents.

It's interesting to note that the Tech/Tech Plus total has been dropping.

Of course Novice, Advanced and Tech Plus have to decrease, because no new
ones
are being issued. Extra can only decrease by expiration/cancellation, of
course.

Note how little Advanced has decreased, (percentagewise) though.

Yet shouldn't the Advanced be decreasing rapidly since they can now go to
Extra with little effort (they already know the toughest part of the
material from their Advanced study)?

Supposedly. But the fact is that not so many Advanceds are upgrading.

Is it that many haven't heard of the
licensing changes, or are they hung up on having a class that "proves" they
passed 13wpm (it doesn't since waivers have been around for over 10 years),
or are they simply satisfied with the range of frequencies that they have?

Probably a combination. Note also this:

If, after April 15, 2000 but before April 15, 2001, someone presented the FCC
with valid CSCEs or other acceptable documents for 5 wpm code and all the
writtens required for Advanced, they'd be issued an Advanced without a waiver.
Some folks actually did that. Of purely academic interest now, of course.

I think the biggest factors are that some haven't heard of the changes, and
others are satisfied with what they have.

There's also the fact that an unknown number are inactive, and may be SK.
Remember that Advanced is a very old license class - it goes all the way back
to the beginning of the FCC, when it was known as "Class A". When FCC closed
Advanced to new issues at the end of 1952, there were well over 40,000 of them,
and when the Advanced was reopened to new issues in 1967, their number had not
diminished much. There were less than 5000 Extras then, by comparison.

The minimal decrease in Advanced licensees would tend to lead me to believe
that the majority of people now receiving their Extra class licenses are
relatively new. They are the ones who just keep going after they pass that
first test. This would also explain the apparently low growth in Tech/Tech+
and General. They aren't in those classes long enough to get counted in
your postings under those classes.

All true. In fact, if someone goes from, say, Tech to Extra in one VE session,
they will never show as General on the FCC database.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 10/5/2004 10:50 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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Wonder what the Old Timey "W5" is all about?

Geeeeeeee....wonder if ya might have figgered out the REST of the
callsign, Brain?

And the W5 is a tip-o-the-hat to her home state of Arkansas.

I see you're still holding on to your NOMIND call even though you're now a
permanent resident of 8-land...So what's up with THAT, since you make an issue
of it...?!?!

Hey Len, I've been holding the fort down for a few days - with one
hand tied behind my back. I can't believe how easy it's been. Steve
drags his wife into this, Dave thinks CQ is a membership organization,
and Kelly want to get me on the air so he can bend me over. Maybe
I'll postpone pulling a Cecil for a little while longer.

Anyway, can you believe this fool drags his wife into this? So far
nobody has made fun of her "Old Timey" call sign. Hope it stays that
way. Notice who her QSL manager is??? ;^)

Didn't Arnie Macey's wife come on here a few times and straighten us
all out?

I could be wrong. Been wrong before.

I seem to remember Mrs. Nursie allegedly coming in here for one
message and telling everyone that Yell-yell was just such a nice
person...or whatever. Was a long time ago in here.

Was that W5AMY or KD6IJB? It's so hard to remember all of these
wunnerful old timey ham calls. Steve's such a swell guy!

Well...we could start this off by saying you've not held anything down.

Had you READ Dave's comments on "CQ Magazine", you might have really
understood what he said and to whom. He said nothing of the like about "CQ"
being a "membership" organization. Nothing.

Instead you completely misquoted him. Of course intentional misquotes are
the ONLY way either you or Lennie can perpetuate your silliness.

Then the comment about Brian Kelly wanting to "bend you over" on the air.
What a hoot.

The objective was to give you an opportunity to prove even some of the
smallest of your assertions, one being that you have enough smarts to generate
some RF. Seems you can't even do that. You have lotsa claims of operating
from distant places, portable callsigns, and operation from DX locales that
lotsa guys would love to operate from, yet you can't come up with ONE QSL card
or reference that validates any of it.

And then you oddly quoted my XYL's QRZ info and claimed I "dragged her
into this discussion" after stating I'd rather find myself next to her than
you.

I guess I hurt your feelings.

I find the really funny part is that she has 329 look-ups (per your own
quote) to your (as of MY look this AM) 319.

Seems it doesn't take much to beat you at ANYthing, Brain...Even by my
wife.

Sheeeesh.

(You may go ahead and start clicking on your QRZ site over and over and
run it up if you'd care to...I am sure you'll have fun...)

You're a fool, Burke. A silly, pathetic fool.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

I don't think so...Thankfully I wake up next to W5AMY...Not YOU.

Who dat?

From QRZ.com:

"Callsign: W5AMY Class: Technician Codes: HVIE USA
Name: AMELIA J ROBESON
Addr1: 151 12TH AVE NW
Addr2: WINCHESTER, TN 37398
Country: USA
Effective: 29 May 2003 Expires: 03 Oct 2010
FRN: 0003911245 What's this?
FCC: ULS Listing
Lookups: 329
Update / Renew License

*******************
QSL Mgr: K4CAP
*******************

Hi, hi!

K4CAP is Kaput! Oop-sai-yo!

"QSL manager?" Wonder if he censors her mail, too?

I think he snags all of the IRC's and Greenstamps that this DX vixen
generates.

He is "pilot in command" at his house. :-)

Previously: KD6IJB

My, oh my, a genuine modern callsign.

Wonder what the Old Timey "W5" is all about?

Coordinates: 35.188876 -86.111111

Wonder if Stevie Wonder can convert them to DMS? Bet he can't.

County: Franklin
Grid: EM75hi
Area Code: 931
GMT Offset: -6
Time Zone: Central
Has DST?: Y
Birthday: 21 Jan 1964"

Not exactly jailbait. At least he snagged someone with enough
maturity to know what she was getting into. Kind of. Prolly
impressed by that disability check.

Second time around. We don't hear much about the first...


End QRZ quote.

She'll be proud and thankful of you for dragging her into your
R.R.A.P. sickness.

Is she a psychologist?

What is her AOL screen name? ?

Never did get a reply.

Heh.

Tsk. Second time around. ["strike twooooo" :-) ]

Her? Him? Them?

We may never know. Some things he "keeps in his wallet" and
classifies them For His Eyes Only.

I wonder if 151 12th Ave. NW has sturdy windows? Like enough to
resist bricks? :-)

?

And I keep telling Jim that you cannot help yourself from having to
respond to every posting, but he doesn't believe it. Yet you prove
it
over and over again!

And again.

And again.

And he doesn't believe it. No matter how many
times you prove it over and over again, he just doesn't believe it.

Why should he?

And again.

And again.

It's not true.

And again.

And again.

It wasn't true yesterday, and it's not true today.

And again.

And again.

I do not respond to "every posting"...Not yours, Not Lennie's,
not
Jim's
nor anyone elses.

And again.

And again.

You have uttered yet ANOTHER mistruth.

And again.

And again.

Personification of the free-running (astable) multivibrator powered
by an Energizer battery.


One needs to use macros to "reply" to some... :-)

A-yup!

Ayup indeed... :-)

indeed.

I think the both of you are dysfunctional.

Why?

Because we challenge your frequent errors and omissions?

Because you have no choice but to respond. You're incapable of not
responding.

Compulsive obsessionists. Tsk.

I think at this point he realizes that he screwed up.

Marvelous how an alleged news item about monthly ARS license
numbers gets turned into nursie's character assassinations... :-)


He's being slapped by his sgfnt other about now.

Loggins and Messina got it right, "Twin Brothers of Insane Mothers."

Best of Luck.

No luck needed here, Brian.

Luck into someone with real medical training in mental illness. Jim's
not up to the task no matter his best intentions.

Jimmie isn't? Gosh, I thought he knew EVERYTHING, what's "right"
and what's "wrong."

This sickness is just a little out of Jim's league.

Nonsense. Jimmie know ALL, especially who is "wrong" and who is
"right." One doesn't need to ask him, he tell all... :-)

Jim knows how to scratch up a nice budbox.

Here in aerospace country we call them kluges. Few have their
photo portraits made so that others can admire and respect
their great state of the radio art development.


Tsk. Another illusion shattered...

[pass the Angostura... :-) ]



Hey Len, I've been holding the fort down for a few days - with one
hand tied behind my back. I can't believe how easy it's been. Steve
drags his wife into this, Dave thinks CQ is a membership organization,
and Kelly want to get me on the air so he can bend me over. Maybe
I'll postpone pulling a Cecil for a little while longer.

Anyway, can you believe this fool drags his wife into this? So far
nobody has made fun of her "Old Timey" call sign. Hope it stays that
way. Notice who her QSL manager is??? ;^)

Didn't Arnie Macey's wife come on here a few times and straighten us
all out?

I could be wrong. Been wrong before.

I seem to remember Mrs. Nursie allegedly coming in here for one
message and telling everyone that Yell-yell was just such a nice
person...or whatever. Was a long time ago in here.

Was that W5AMY or KD6IJB? It's so hard to remember all of these
wunnerful old timey ham calls. Steve's such a swell guy! Hi, hi!

A regular prince. [formerly known as something]

Of course, there were NO authenticators to prove any of that. :-)

Never are.

But...he KNOWS! Hi hi.


PCTA extras "never lie" (according to them). [ahem...]

Correct. Ahem! Sorry about the phlegm.

I tuned in the news, saw the phlegm at eleven...

We all MUST "believe" them, like they "always tell the truth."

They are so friggin honest! Hi, hi!

"Honest to a fault." [San Andreas Fault...cracked]

Like Quitfun and Deoderant Voice of God are "real hams."

Of course. :-)



Hardly.

Well, THEY say they are and that should be good enough for PCTA
extras to indicate "truth."

In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

...if someone goes from, say, Tech to Extra in one VE session,
they will never show as General on the FCC database.

73 de Jim, N2EY

??? Out of the Box ???

Such a crime.

It's a "crime" only if someone makes a mention of that in HERE. :-)

Along with asking for admiration and respect for kluges in basements
representing the state of the radio art of the 1990s...using tubes. :-)

But, Jimmie IS "serving his country" by engaging in the ham
radio hobby.

Wonder if he is eligible for the GI Bill from such "service to his
country?" There's still a PhD ahead for him, ya know... :-)

These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of October 15, 2004:

Novice - 30,245 (decrease of 19,084)
Technician - 264,345 (increase of 58,951)
Technician Plus - 56,144 (decrease of 72,716)
General - 138,792 (increase of 26,115)
Advanced - 78,631 (decrease of 21,151)
Extra - 105,896 (increase of 27,146)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,489 (decrease of 13,765)

Total all classes - 674,053 (decrease of 739)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,489 (decrease of 13,765)

Total all classes - 674,053 (decrease of 739)

73 de Jim, N2EY



Oh no say it isnt so. Its a shame, the No-Code CBplusser bunch were wrong.

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...

Total all classes - 674,053

Jim - Does this mean there will be 674,053 freebanders looking for clear
frequencies after BPL take full effect? Or should I subtract 205,394 from
that number to account for the VHF-&-higher-only ops?


ak

In article 5Hgcd.193381$wV.74055@attbi_s54, "King Zulu"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
. com...

Total all classes - 674,053

Jim - Does this mean there will be 674,053 freebanders looking for clear
frequencies after BPL take full effect? Or should I subtract 205,394 from
that number to account for the VHF-&-higher-only ops?

That's a good one! ;-)

The trouble is that those freeband freqs will probably be even worse than the
ham bands.

73 de Jim, N2EY

These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of November 1, 2004:

Novice - 30,061 (decrease of 19,268)
Technician - 264,149 (increase of 58,757)
Technician Plus - 55,582 (decrease of 73,278)
General - 138,482 (increase of 25,805)
Advanced - 78,344 (decrease of 21,438)
Extra - 105,867 (increase of 27,117)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,731 (decrease of 14,523)

Total all classes - 672,485 (decrease of 2307)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Looks like a lot of Advanced hams are moving up to Extra. Hate to see the
Novices going away. We need the Novice license re-instituted, with 50 KHz
sub-bands on the 5 major HF bands (plus 50 kHZ of phone rights on ten
meters), coordinated with world-wide beginners' license frequency
allocations. The new Novice ticket should be simpler than the old one - more
like back in the 50's and 60's. It should be good for 5 years,
non-renewable. Existing Novices should get the 5-year time-to-upgrade when
the new Novice license is instituted, saving the FCC from having to keep
track of "old" and "new" Novices in their policies and procedures. Of
course, when BPL gets rolling, it will probably all be just academic.

ak

"N2EY" wrote in message
m...
These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of November 1, 2004:

Novice - 30,061 (decrease of 19,268)
Technician - 264,149 (increase of 58,757)
Technician Plus - 55,582 (decrease of 73,278)
General - 138,482 (increase of 25,805)
Advanced - 78,344 (decrease of 21,438)
Extra - 105,867 (increase of 27,117)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,731 (decrease of 14,523)

Total all classes - 672,485 (decrease of 2307)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Total all classes - 672,485 (decrease of 2307)

Yep, all the Dumbing down sure helped, didnt it.

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Total all classes - 672,485 (decrease of 2307)

Yep, all the Dumbing down sure helped, didnt it.

I don't know how many years ago it was when they made the Novice renewable
and allowed 200W operation. However, they also made the test more difficult,
which cut out many of the younger amateur radio candidates. My experience
has been that pre-HS students usually don't have a problem with learning
code. But the more difficult theory requirements are a problem for them. The
entry-level license should be feasible for the majority of junior high
students and precocious elementary school students to pass. Keep the
privileges restricted (CW, PSK, and a very limited phone section). If other
countries did the same thing and it was internationally coordinated, the
beginners would find DX opportunities in their band segments and that would
add to the attraction. By the time kids hit high school, there minds are on
a lot more that radio; the recruiting needs to start early, and a simple
test with a restrictive license is the answer. It was once that way and it
seemed to work.

ak

the recruiting needs to start early, and a simple
test with a restrictive license is the answer. It was once that way and it
seemed to work.

ak

How much simpler do you wont it, it so simple now its a JOKE

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
the recruiting needs to start early, and a simple
test with a restrictive license is the answer. It was once that way and
it
seemed to work.

ak

How much simpler do you wont it, it so simple now its a JOKE

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
the recruiting needs to start early, and a simple
test with a restrictive license is the answer. It was once that way and
it
seemed to work.

ak

How much simpler do you wont it, it so simple now its a JOKE

For a youngster, the 1993-1997 Novice question pool is not a "joke." The
test had fewer questions back 1958 when I took the Novice test, and the
questions were mostly about regulations, basic definitions, and Ohm's Law.
Enough knowledge was required that someone who passed should know the rules
and a few very basic technical things. I'm guessing that there were 20 test
questions back then. It was enough of a test to assure that the licensee
could get on the air knowing what they could and could not do as an
operator, and what the punishment might be if they violated the regulations.
That's really about all a beginner needs to know. The Extra class back in
those days was a much more comprehensive exam back then, requiring hand
drawn and labeled schematics for one section of the test. I thought the
Extra test in those days was much tougher than the First Class Commercial
exam, even though it conveyed no more privileges than the General license
did. Anyhow, the Novice should be a starter license, only difficult enough
to assure that the new ham has a handle on the rules and what makes up a
station. A few questions on safety are also appropriate. No, I don't think
we should go back to requiring only crystals for frequency control. HI

ak

Anyhow, the Novice should be a starter license, only difficult enough
to assure that the new ham has a handle on the rules and what makes up a
station.

The test are to dumbed down, what you wont to do is just hand them out for the
asking. Might as well hand them out the License, and the Test doesnt mean much
anymore anyway.

On 03 Nov 2004 04:21:35 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Anyhow, the Novice should be a starter license, only difficult enough
to assure that the new ham has a handle on the rules and what makes up a
station.

The test are to dumbed down, what you wont to do is just hand them out for the
asking. Might as well hand them out the License, and the Test doesnt mean much
anymore anyway.

Babbling Brucie hasn't changed, and still hasn't learned to read, let
alone master the English language well enough to compose a literate
sentence.

Here's some advice Brucie - quit mixing the Jack Daniels and Viagra.
It's turning your brain to mush and your penis into something that
looks like a piece of uncooked spaghetti.

It's turning your brain to mush and your penis into something that
looks like a piece of uncooked spaghetti.


I see your still a HOMO concerned about what some guys penis looks like.

These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of November 15, 2004:

Novice - 30,012 (decrease of 19,317)
Technician - 264,784 (increase of 59,392)
Technician Plus - 55,204 (decrease of 73,656)
General - 138,500 (increase of 25,823)
Advanced - 78,283 (decrease of 21,499)
Extra - 105,918 (increase of 27,168)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,988 (decrease of 14,266)

Total all classes - 672,701 (decrease of 1591)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,988 (decrease of 14,266)

Total all classes - 672,701 (decrease of 1591)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ohhh isnt that a shame, I guess DUMBING DOWN still isnt working