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Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Lenof21 wrote: In article . net, "Gr=FCmw=EEtch th=EB =DCnfl=E3pp=E5bl=EA" writes: "Lenof21" wrote in message ... : The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after : midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license : period...and : for two more years into that grace period. : Untrue. (Some would say an outright lie) They are certainly prohibited from operating their amateur radio station without supervision, since they possess no valid operator license. Now what did I write that was UNTRUE? Hmmm? The untrue part is that a license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything. You wrote in an earlier message: Lenof21 All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in Lenof21 their grace Lenof21 period. There is no necessity (nor sense) to eliminate those Lenof21 in the Lenof21 grace period from those in the normal 10-year license period from Lenof21 any class totals. Then you appear to have modified it to say: "The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period." Was anything written about "operating an amateur radio station?" No. :-) Yes, because you wrote the above mentioned quote in an earlier message They could have a valid commercial license and not be prohibited from using that. Do commercial licenses have 10 year terms and 2 year grace periods? And if so, should you be required to include them in your ARS license numbers? 8^) Doesn't matter. The quote was that they are "not prohibited from doing anything" Note: A commercial license does not allow operation IN the amateur bands...just like an amateur license does NOT allow operation outside of amateur bands. Irrelevant In any event, a license holder *is* prohibited from doing something when the license is in the grace period. Yes, and that is operation within the privileges of their expired license. So. They *are* prohibited from operating in the amateur bands. That is significantly different than "not being prohibited from doing anything" Yep. Len is flat-out wrong - again. ALL of Title 47 C.F.R. applies to ALL USA citizens. Yes, that includes amateur radio licensees. :-) In that you will find that, if there is a REAL emergency situation, there is NO prohibition against anyone using any frequency, any mode for help. Doesn't change the fact that a licensee with a license in the grace period is prohibited from operating an amateur station in a non-emergency situation. I guess the "only ones who count" in here are the Regulars, the life-stylers, those who eat-breathe-sleep amateur radio. They are NEVER wrong. Their words are TRVTH itself, engraved in eternal marble. Their shall be no discourse with them...of course. In that you are incorrect. I don't mind having a good discussion, and even enjoy a good argument. But I do expect a good argument with proper give and take. Some times I am wrong, and some times right. But your case would be better served if you were to simply admit your mistakes and move on to good debate. Agreed. Len made a mistake about 97.21(b), but he seems reluctant to admit it. Note that the position he is taking is modifying. You mean evading. I've worked with a few who do this. They really hate being wrong, but when they are proven wrong, they slowly modify their stance so that eventually they either agree with you, or " you just didn't understand" what they were saying in the first place That's called "evading". Think about *why* A couple possibilities: 1. He was genuinely wrong. That's been proven already. He made an incorrect statement, and is embarrassed about it. Some people absolutely *hate* being incorrect on anything. That's Len to a capital L. Particularly when the person pointing out the error is someone he considers inferior. 2. He is making deliberate incorrect statements simply to invoke others in arguments. That's not inconsistent with 1). This could be an entertainment issue, or perhaps a loneliness thing. Possibly. Or perhaps it's an attempt to bring others down to his level, get them fighting with each other, etc. Consider that Len is not a ham, has never been one, and probably never will be one. He isn't even very knowledgeable about Part 97, as illustrated by his ignorance of 97.21(b). So why is he preaching to the FCC and the online world about how ham radio should be? He won't tell us his motivation. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Subject: ARS License Number
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 1/11/2005 6:12 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article . com, (James Psychochief Miccolis, Kommandant uf das Neugruppen Waffe) writes: Yet more of Lennie's self-defeating belittlements. Or perhaps it's an attempt to bring others down to his level, get them fighting with each other, etc. Tsk, tsk, I'm not needed for such infighting. You lads do right fine all by yourselves Lennie ! PLEASE! You're ALL ABOUT being disruptful, antagonizing and arrogant! Consider that Len is not a ham, has never been one, and probably never will be one. He isn't even very knowledgeable about Part 97, as illustrated by his ignorance of 97.21(b). So why is he preaching to the FCC and the online world about how ham radio should be? He won't tell us his motivation. Well, Herr Gruppekommandant, it's time to "show you my papers" and confess all. More self-defeating belittlements. Way back in prehistory of 1952 (der kommandant didn't exist then), I had these terrible thoughts of Patriotism and stuff, hadn't been to the sacred halls of ivy yet, and thought to volunteer my body for Army service. No doubt you DO consider patriotism as being terrible. Your grossly disgusting self-promoting on the sacrifices of Soldiers who died three years before you were in the service are prime example. Ya see, as a poor ignorant soul, nobody had told me my body is SO precious that I shouldn't put it in harm's way like volunteering for the military when there was an actual War (shudders) On. We had several hams in my home town but nobody thought to Elmer me on being "able to serve in 'other' ways." That was the first mistake. Ahhhhhh.....so here we have yet ANOTHER attempt to polish your own brass by associating yourslef with the Army DURING the war. YOU WEREN'T EVEN IN THE ARMY THEN! The second mistake was the Army assigning me to Signal School for a rarely-heard-of MOS called Microwave Radio Relay. (remember that 1952 was, after all, "prehistory") Hams all knew that there was only black magic above 30 MHz and that no REAL hams found it useful. The rest of the radio world didn't matter...only REAL hams knew what was good in radio and what was not. Ahhhyes, the "Microwave Radio Relay". Lennie the Radio Mechanic. Assigned to an outpost that WASN'T configured for the stuff youw ere trained on, just so they could get you out of the way. The Army did a third mistake! They assigned me to an Army radio station in Tokyo. One of those "small" places with only about 36 HF transmitters that was in operation 24/7 and serving the Far East Command Headquarters. Microwave radio relay equipment installation had been delayed by a year or so so I had to learn all about high-power HF transmitters, how to operate them, how to do maintenance on them, how to fix them when they went bad. Plus the essentials of HF networking, TTY-RTTY, the original SSB, along with VHF and UHF radio relay operation and maintenance that the Army eventually replaced with microwaves. You were never a "radio operator", according the the MOS'es you've cited, Lennie. You were just a radio mechanic. And I doubt you had much to do with THAT either. In the midst of all that, I compounded the mistake by trying to LEARN and do better at what I did. And you made a life-long career of it...Mostly by riding the coat-tails of others who DID "do better". Shame on me. I should have read the ARRL publications a lot more than I had. Guess what I found in the Army MARS station on Okinawa, Lennie...??? The WHOLE SET of ARRL publications. The Army wasn't using any morse code whatsoever in carrying massive message traffic across the Pacific! Maybe the ARRL was already falling down on the Lobbying job because they had NO effect on the Signal Office, USA! Lots of very olde-tyme hammes were sitting around shaking their heads at the stupidity of the U.S. military for not using more morse code mode in the 1950s! [it's a wonder hams didn't march on the Pentagon to demand More CW!] Dunno why you keep trying to work some unfounded rants about Morse Code use into your already dubiously factual posts, Lennie. Tsk. The Mistakes didn't stop. I got a commercial radio operator's license so that I could make some money in broadcasting before moving to the sunbelt (I choice of Florida or California depending on the art school). But you've not been involved in "broadcasting", Lennie. Unless sitting on your TV remote or garage door opener counts. I've been told that I NEED TO GET A HAM LICENSE FIRST in order to SHOW INTEREST IN RADIO! Except I remained ignorant since nobody TOLD ME that back then. That's not what you've been told, but keep on lying in public, Lennie... So, getting accepted at Art Center School of Design...(SNIP) Well, since HAC wasn't pioneering any morsemanship on HF...(SNIP) In late 1958 several more mistakes happened...(SNIP) Oh, the mistakes get worse. I bought a Johnson Viking CB transceiver and got a CB license...(SNIP) THAT explains a lot. ...and could do only about 8 WPM morse, if that. A lie. Then. Now. Tomorrow. I know its hard to believe but USA university curricula do NOT require any morsemanship or being-licensed-in-amateur-radio-to show-interest-in-radio!!! ...(SNIP) Lying again, but hey, it's all you really ARE good at. Tsk. More mistakes beginning early, like high-fidelity music interest since high school....(SNIP) I can almost see you in a Zoot Suit or with your hair greased back at the Sock Hop. Instead of wanting to listen to good sound, I should have worked very hard at perceiving the "music of morse" (monotonal, aperiodic). My contemporaries liked to hear the false music of symphonies and jazz bands. Shame on us. We knew no better than to trust our own senses. On Contraire, Lennie! Your senses of self-promotion, deceit and cheating worked well for you! Hey, you got away withn it! Be proud! Of course that's why you WON'T go take an Amateur exam...you KNOW they won't be bought off or will "look the other way" when you can't pass a closed book test. Then personal computing! Ahhh yes...Every antagonist get's his own pulpit. RRAP is Lennie's. Yes, we infidels denigrating the True Calling should have worked our morsemanship and pioneered the airwaves for Telstar, microwaves across the continents, the communications satellites giving us near-instant communications across the globe, the Deep Space Network, Men ON the Moon televised live, the Internet, the cellular telephone...all of which use absolutely NO morsemanship to devise or build or perfect. We all had FALSE MOTIVATION. Your only "motivation", and stated over and over by YOU, was money. Really twits your bolts that we do all those things free! Yes, it's a mighty CONSPIRACY against the amateur morsemen, begun before most of them existed, deliberately kept up to humiliate them and keep them from perfecting the Antique Radiotelegraphic Society (ARS) of the United States. We are all WORKING AGAINST YOU MORSEMEN in a titanic struggle for power (but only in news- groups) and THREATENING YOUR MIGHTY EGOS! So far, Your Scumbaginess, YOU are the only one with any demonstrated ego issues. It was all a mistake. An evil, antichrist-sort of mistake, compounded many times, deliberately aimed at all those mighty macho morse- men in this newsgroup. We have defiled your divine wishes, holy fathers. We ask no penance, no absolution for our sins (or sines). I sincerely doubt you can tell a sine wave from an astrological sign without a book in front of you or a URL to click on. We answer to a Higher Order, not to your demands. Go thee and perform auto-intercourse. Always the professional. Steve, K4YZ |
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To one I made a burn-in-hell-for-eternity mistake by NOT getting an extra "out of the box" long ago. Tsk. He thinks that is utter and complete failure to complete a Life Promise and shows moral turpitude (or something that smells strongly, maybe like paint thinner). It doesn't matter much right now. This is one of those periods in which you claim you have no intention of obtaining an amateur radio license. Back when you made your boast, you were apparently set on getting a ham ticket. In a few weeks, that could all change again. Another says I can ONLY "show interest in radio" by getting an amateur radio license FIRST. Steve's got you pegged pretty well, Leonard. You tell more lies than Richard Nixon. You've proclaimed a decades-long "interest" in amateur radio. Trouble is, you've never been interested enough to sit an exam which would provide an amateur radio license. [no real reason given except he was bereft of any comback and was trying to wing a reply] Well, that's just too #$%^!!!! bad since I made that decision back 48 years ago, got a First Phone and started working in broadcasting, using it. That's just super, Len. Feel free to go back to work in broadcasting. That isn't amateur radio. Only one other seems to have a working time machine for regular trips back there...and before. NO, repeat NO "debate" in here is really possible with anyone not-licensed- in-any-amateur-service correspondent. It certainly isn't given your clumsy style and grating manner. This forum is EXCLUSIVELY for already-licensed amateurs to talk about getting INTO amateur radio? Of course. League has all the answers, just Follow The Law, do like everyone else did, and shuthehellup. Simple. I don't recall anyone telling you to shut the hell up. I do recall you directing such a statement to me. What was it you called me--feldwebel? Dave K8MN |
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These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of January 14, 2005: Novice - 29,620 (decrease of 19,709) Technician - 263,663 (increase of 58,269) Technician Plus - 53,742 (decrease of 75,118) General - 138,083 (increase of 25,610) Advanced - 77,798 (decrease of 21,984) Extra - 106,100 (increase of 27,350) Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,405 (decrease of 14,849) Total all classes - 671,006 (decrease of 3786) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,405 (decrease of 14,849)
Total all classes - 671,006 (decrease of 3786)" Yep the Dumbing Down is the way to go. |
WA8ULX wrote:
"Total Tech/TechPlus - 319,405 (decrease of 14,849) Total all classes - 671,006 (decrease of 3786)" Yep the Dumbing Down is the way to go. That why you're still here :-) |
In article .com,
writes: Of course it's also possible that Len has gotten so desperate for attention that he's intentionally posting untrue things (like the legality of operating with an expired license mistake) just to get a response. "Desperately?!?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEH. Excuse me, yer lordship, lost control there... Bwhaha...oops. After all, how does it affect *him* if some ham reads his words, thinks they're true, and operates illegally? HAMS rule amateur radio. FCC doesn't require commissioners or staff to hold amateur radio licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Ergo, J.P. logic has it that NO HAM SHOULD OBEY THE FCC IF THEY DON'T HAVE HAM LICENSES! Poop Dave the 1st would claim the FCC isn't "motivated." The Coslonaut (heading for outer space) only wants to talk about socks. Is he really a sock-tucker? The Avenging Angle keeps nurturing his murderous hatred. The University Lecturer wants to talk about highways. This newsgroup be gettin' FUN-EEEE! :-) Too bad the PCTA extras aren't talking about amateur radio or the morse code test issue. Posted on 18 Jan 05 |
Lenof21 wrote:
In article .com, writes: Of course it's also possible that Len has gotten so desperate for attention that he's intentionally posting untrue things (like the legality of operating with an expired license mistake) just to get a response. "Desperately?!?" Umm, no. "desperate" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEH. Excuse me, yer lordship, lost control there... Bwhaha...oops. After all, how does it affect *him* if some ham reads his words, thinks they're true, and operates illegally? HAMS rule amateur radio. FCC doesn't require commissioners or staff to hold amateur radio licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Ergo, J.P. logic has it that NO HAM SHOULD OBEY THE FCC IF THEY DON'T HAVE HAM LICENSES! ?!?!? Poop Dave the 1st would claim the FCC isn't "motivated." The Coslonaut (heading for outer space) only wants to talk about socks. Is he really a sock-tucker? The Avenging Angle keeps nurturing his murderous hatred. The University Lecturer wants to talk about highways. That part wasn't too bad, I got a chuckle out of it. This newsgroup be gettin' FUN-EEEE! :-) We cudden't do it witout ya! 8^) Too bad the PCTA extras aren't talking about amateur radio or the morse code test issue. Start a thread about the Morse code issue. Personally, I don't have anywhere near as high an interest in Morse code as you do. |
Lenof21 wrote: In article .com, writes: Of course it's also possible that Len has gotten so desperate for attention that he's intentionally posting untrue things (like the legality of operating with an expired license mistake) just to get a response. "Desperately?!?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEH. Excuse me, yer lordship, lost control there... Bwhaha...oops. You lose control EVERYwhere, Lennie. We expect it. After all, how does it affect *him* if some ham reads his words, thinks they're true, and operates illegally? HAMS rule amateur radio. FCC doesn't require commissioners or staff to hold amateur radio licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Which has absolutely NO bearing on YOUR assertion, and failure to retract same, about the legality of operating after the end of the term of license. You have previously claimed to be a "radio professional". Your posts herein present evidence to the contrary. Ergo, J.P. logic has it that NO HAM SHOULD OBEY THE FCC IF THEY DON'T HAVE HAM LICENSES! A logical person would realize that a perosn is NOT a Ham if they don't have a license. Surprising that you didn't catch this, Lennie, since YOU are IN that category. Poop Dave the 1st would claim the FCC isn't "motivated." The Coslonaut (heading for outer space) only wants to talk about socks. Is he really a sock-tucker? Hmmmm....Yet ANOTHER example of Lennie initiating diminutives when not the recipient of same from that person. Why does Lennie continue to present evidence that supports everyone ELSES contention that he's a spiteful and deceitful creep? The Avenging Angle keeps nurturing his murderous hatred. If anyone, least of all me, was nuturing "murderous hatred" against you, Lennie, you would have long ago been relegated to "curious footnote" in the history of this newsgroup. The opportunities and the technology are just too numerous and available to have not availed themselves to your overdue demise. The University Lecturer wants to talk about highways. And he IS a university lecturer. And YOU were...?!?! This newsgroup be gettin' FUN-EEEE! Help, Lennie...seek HELP...And NOT from spouses' who's certificate are endorsed "K-Tel Skool of Sigh-Kyatry" Too bad the PCTA extras aren't talking about amateur radio or the morse code test issue. We do. This is not the ONLY forum in which we can express ourselves. Since we HAVE Amateur licenses, we can actually discuss AMATEUR matters ON-THE-AIR! You, on the otherhand, and with the exceptions of cellphones, cordless exensions, and CB radio, cannot. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Lenof21 wrote:
In article .com, writes: Of course it's also possible that Len has gotten so desperate for attention that he's intentionally posting untrue things (like the legality of operating with an expired license mistake) just to get a response. "Desperately?!?" No, Len. "Desperate". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEH. Excuse me, yer lordship, lost control there... Bwhaha...oops. We'll wait while you go freshen up, Len. ;-) You do appear to be desperate for attention. After all, how does it affect *him* if some ham reads his words, thinks they're true, and operates illegally? HAMS rule amateur radio. You seem to think so, but you're mistaken. Just as you are mistaken about the legality of FCC-licensed radio amateurs operating amateur radio stations while their amateur radio licenses are expired but in the grace period. FCC doesn't require commissioners or staff to hold amateur radio licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. That's true. Those people *are* required to have other qualifications, though, and to be appointed to their positions. You're neither a radio amateur nor part of the FCC. And you never have been, Len. You don't have the qualifications to be either. Ergo, J.P. logic has it that NO HAM SHOULD OBEY THE FCC IF THEY DON'T HAVE HAM LICENSES! Nope. Nowhere do I say that. You're simply mistaken, Len. What I will say is that *you* do not "rule amateur radio", Len. |
In article .com,
writes: Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote: Subject: ARS License Numbers From: Date: 1/6/2005 6:00 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . com Lenof21 wrote: WHY? The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period...and for two more years into that grace period. That's simply not true, Len. The holder of an expired FCC amateur radio license cannot legally operate until the license has been renewed. This is the second time I've seen you state that mistake here in the past few days. An expired FCC amateur license carries *no* operating privleges. IS there some reason you persist in this obvious error? I told ya... His Worminess has yet laid his long-tailed ignorance to bare in a house full of rocking chairs. It's just a mistake, Steve. Len Anderson obviously doesn't understand 97.21(b). Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Nun of the Above simply didn't understand that his/her/it leg was pulled. [androgynous behavior makes gender identification difficult] There are many, many reasons, all valid, for being unable to renew prior to the last day of the 10-year period. Such as? Death? Coma? Prisoner-of-War (about the ONLY valid reason I can think of...) ? Well, someone could be ill, or busy with work, family, volunteer activities, travel, moving, natural disaster, military service, etc. FCC doesn't care. If a ham lets his/her amateur license expire, they can't legally operate until it is renewed. Such renewal is valid when it shows up in the FCC database - you don't have to wait for the paper license to show up. All of this is *extremely basic* regulatory stuff, clearly stated in 97.21(b), not somebody's opinion or interpretation. Tsk. What is most interesting is the fact that someone like Len, who has told us how the regulations should be changed for so many years, should be so ignorant of such a basic rule from Part 97. Tsk. The Nun of the Above, who designs and builds his own "state of the art" vacuum tube based radios in the 1990s, is seemingly unaware of solid-state technology having overtaken vacuum-state some three decades prior. The Nun of the Above has constantly made his old-time radio heroes to be pioneers of "firsts" despite absolutely NO radio broadcasting transmitter copying the AM adaptation of Reggie Fessenden done in public demonstration on 1906 (special carbon microphone in series with antenna lead of spark trans- mitter). Yet the Nun wishes to rap all knuckles with his/her/it ruler when such pioneering radio heroism isn't met with enthusiastic acclaim. The Nun of the Above constantly refers to old regulations, including those made by government radio regulating agencies which no longer existed after 1934. The Nun also applies his/her/it's ruler to knuckles which do not recognize his/her/it's truism that morse code testing is a "necessity" for all new amateur licensees' privileges of operating below 30 MHz on amateur radio bands. All simply MUST do so...as it has always been done...no good reasons given. That striking ruler is again applied whenever an NCTA dares to question his/her/it's claims of the efficacy of morse code mode over and above all other modes (which it isn't, but that is besides the point to any PCTA). The Nun of the Above is an ultra-strict literalist who is unable to find a life beyond the newsgroup nor employment in radio-related industry and disavowing any relationship to professionalism in the radio-electronics industry. Must be some sort of Catholic thing. What's troubling all these heavenly fodders is lots and lots of individuals nailing theses on the doors of the Church of St. Hiram saying that morse code testing must GO and make the "church" open to all citizens who have an interest...an interest and not a desire to dumb themselves down with old, archaic requirements that have no usefulness. Ave, Imperator! Posted on 23 Jan 05 |
Len Anderson wrote: In article .com, writes: Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote: Subject: ARS License Numbers From: Date: 1/6/2005 6:00 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . com Lenof21 wrote: WHY? The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period...and for two more years into that grace period. That's simply not true, Len. The holder of an expired FCC amateur radio license cannot legally operate until the license has been renewed. This is the second time I've seen you state that mistake here in the past few days. An expired FCC amateur license carries *no* operating privleges. IS there some reason you persist in this obvious error? I told ya... His Worminess has yet laid his long-tailed ignorance to bare in a house full of rocking chairs. It's just a mistake, Steve. Len Anderson obviously doesn't understand 97.21(b). Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Nun of the Above simply didn't understand that his/her/it leg was pulled. [androgynous behavior makes gender identification difficult] Uh huh...I love how his "revelation" of "humor" comes after two weeks of getting his nose rubbed in his arrogant stupidity. I get the feeling Lennie was the kid on the block with the only decent football who would snatch it up and run home as soon as it was apparent that he wasn't good at it and was getting beat soundly. He certainly comes off that way. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com, writes: Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote: Subject: ARS License Numbers From: Date: 1/6/2005 6:00 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . com Lenof21 wrote: WHY? The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period...and for two more years into that grace period. That's simply not true, Len. The holder of an expired FCC amateur radio license cannot legally operate until the license has been renewed. This is the second time I've seen you state that mistake here in the past few days. An expired FCC amateur license carries *no* operating privleges. IS there some reason you persist in this obvious error? I told ya... His Worminess has yet laid his long-tailed ignorance to bare in a house full of rocking chairs. It's just a mistake, Steve. Len Anderson obviously doesn't understand 97.21(b). Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Nun of the Above simply didn't understand that his/her/it leg was pulled. Len, Who are you addressing as "Nun of the Above"? Can't be me. If you're pulling any body part, it isn't mine and it isn't a leg. You simply made a mistake about 97.21(b). Plain as day. You've repeated it a few times, but you're still mistaken. [androgynous behavior makes gender identification difficult] Androgynous behavior by whom? There are many, many reasons, all valid, for being unable to renew prior to the last day of the 10-year period. Such as? Death? Coma? Prisoner-of-War (about the ONLY valid reason I can think of...) ? Well, someone could be ill, or busy with work, family, volunteer activities, travel, moving, natural disaster, military service, etc. FCC doesn't care. If a ham lets his/her amateur license expire, they can't legally operate until it is renewed. Such renewal is valid when it shows up in the FCC database - you don't have to wait for the paper license to show up. All of this is *extremely basic* regulatory stuff, clearly stated in 97.21(b), not somebody's opinion or interpretation. Tsk. Yes, Len, one would think you'd know something that basic about Part 97. But not only are you spouting mistakes, you refuse to acknowledge them. What is most interesting is the fact that someone like Len, who has told us how the regulations should be changed for so many years, should be so ignorant of such a basic rule from Part 97. Tsk. The Nun of the Above, Who is that, Len? who designs and builds his Nuns are female, Len. own "state of the art" vacuum tube based radios in the 1990s, is seemingly unaware of solid-state technology having overtaken vacuum-state some three decades prior. Well, you're obviously not talking about me, because I've never said any of my homebrew ham radio projects are "state of the art". Perhaps you're talking about yourself? No, that can't be it, because you don't have any homebrew amateur radio projects to show us at all. In fact, I recall that you had to *buy* a manufactured cb set back in 1958 or so, despite all your alleged knowledge of "radio-electronics". The Nun of the Above Who would that be? has constantly made his "his"? Nuns are female. old-time radio heroes to be pioneers of "firsts" despite absolutely NO radio broadcasting transmitter copying the AM adaptation of Reggie Fessenden done in public demonstration on 1906 (special carbon microphone in series with antenna lead of spark trans- mitter). What are you talking about, Len? Perhaps you should look up how Fessenden did the 1906 broadcast. He used an RF alternator, IIRC, not spark. But you've made so many mistakes about RAF that no one is surprised when you make another. Yet the Nun wishes to rap all knuckles with his/her/it Nuns are female, Len. ruler when such pioneering radio heroism isn't met with enthusiastic acclaim. Well, that leaves me out. I'm against violence, both against children and those who act like children... The Nun of the Above Who? constantly refers to old regulations, including those made by government radio regulating agencies which no longer existed after 1934. Which old regulations, Len? The only regulations I've referred to recently are current ones. Like 97.21(b). Do you know that one? The Nun also applies his/her/it's ruler to knuckles which do not recognize his/her/it's truism that morse code testing is a "necessity" for all new amateur licensees' privileges of operating below 30 MHz on amateur radio bands. Well, whoever this mythical Nun person is, she's right about that! Until FCC changes the rules, a Morse Code test is a necessity for all new amateur licensees who want transmitting privileges on the amateur bands below 30 MHz. FCC won't issue the license without such a test being passed, and a license is a necessity for *legal* operation. Of course, Len, you have no such license. Nor are you particularly familiar with Part 97. All simply MUST do so...as it has always been done...no good reasons given. Operating within the law isn't a good reason? That striking ruler is again applied whenever an NCTA dares to question his/her/it's Nuns are female, Len. claims of the efficacy of morse code mode over and above all other modes (which it isn't, but that is besides the point to any PCTA). Who has claimed that? Not me. The Nun of the Above is an ultra-strict literalist who is unable to find a life beyond the newsgroup nor employment in radio-related industry and disavowing any relationship to professionalism in the radio-electronics industry. Nuns are employed by the church. I'm not, so you can't be talking about me. Must be some sort of Catholic thing. Most but not all nuns in the USA are Roman Catholic. Even though I was brought up in that religion, I'm not part of it now. Nor for a long long time. OTOH, your buddy Brian Burke, N0IMD, was raised Roman Catholic and probably still is. Is he the one you refer to as "Nun of the Above", Len? btw, he might like to hear about who you voted for in the 2004 US presidential election. What's troubling all these heavenly fodders is lots and lots of individuals nailing theses "Theses"? I think you meant a word that rhymes with "theses", Len, only it begins with the letter F. "lots and lots of individuals"? How many? How many think differently? on the doors of the Church of St. Hiram saying that morse code testing must GO and make the "church" open to all citizens who have an interest Perhaps it would be better if people with an interest in changing the rules approached the FCC about it. Amateur radio is open to all who have enough interest to pass the required tests and get the required license. You obviously aren't one of those people. ...an interest and not a desire to dumb themselves down with old, archaic requirements that have no usefulness. Like what "old, archaic requirements"? Written tests? Licenses? You can't be talking about Morse Code skill as having no usefulness, because it's extremely useful in amateur radio. Therefore, it makes sense that the tests for an amateur radio license would include a Morse Code test. QED Ave, Imperator! Who do you address that way? Nuns are usually addressed as "Sister" or "Mother" or some other title. At least that's the way it was back when I was Roman Catholic, years and years ago. As for the Latin, it's one of the languages my ancestors used. They had world-class poetry, art, drama, philosophy, mathematics, formal logic, science, engineering, architecture, public works, a representative form of government, etc. Much of what they accomplished we still use today - even down to most of the alphabet used to write in this newsgroup. At about the same time in history, *your* ancestors were busy painting their faces blue, howling at the moon and worshipping trees. All they gave us of any value was the names of some of the days of the week. |
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Len Anderson wrote: In article .com, writes: Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote: Subject: ARS License Numbers From: Date: 1/6/2005 6:00 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . com Lenof21 wrote: WHY? The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period...and for two more years into that grace period. That's simply not true, Len. The holder of an expired FCC amateur radio license cannot legally operate until the license has been renewed. This is the second time I've seen you state that mistake here in the past few days. An expired FCC amateur license carries *no* operating privleges. IS there some reason you persist in this obvious error? I told ya... His Worminess has yet laid his long-tailed ignorance to bare in a house full of rocking chairs. It's just a mistake, Steve. Len Anderson obviously doesn't understand 97.21(b). Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Nun of the Above simply didn't understand that his/her/it leg was pulled. Len, Who are you addressing as "Nun of the Above"? Can't be me. If you're pulling any body part, it isn't mine and it isn't a leg. I am sure that the part being pulled and Lennie's sexual identity crisis are the reasons behind Lennie's lack of offspring. All of this is *extremely basic* regulatory stuff, clearly stated in 97.21(b), not somebody's opinion or interpretation. Tsk. Yes, Len, one would think you'd know something that basic about Part 97. But not only are you spouting mistakes, you refuse to acknowledge them. Len has no knowledge of Amateur regulatory matters as he is not a licensed Amateur. The Nun of the Above Who would that be? has constantly made his "his"? Nuns are female. As I was saying... Lennie keeps leaving us irrefutable evidence that he has some very...uhhhh....significantly altered perceptions of gender role assingment. (Unidentified person) constantly refers to old regulations, including those made by government radio regulating agencies which no longer existed after 1934. Which old regulations, Len? The only regulations I've referred to recently are current ones. Like 97.21(b). Do you know that one? Obvioulsy not. It's available via numerous on-line resources, however it's obvious that Lennie has not availed himself of any of them. All simply MUST do so...as it has always been done...no good reasons given. Operating within the law isn't a good reason? It's "not cool" to be law-abiding in Lennie's neighborhood. As for the Latin, it's one of the languages my ancestors used. Lennie's current "schtick" is to try and undermine others posts by claiming they don't have a "working knowledge" of the language of any one specific word they may use. Ceertainly HE has no such mastery either...It's all just for argument's sake, which is all that Lennie's about any way. They had world-class poetry, art, drama, philosophy, mathematics, formal logic, science, engineering, architecture, public works, a representative form of government, etc. Much of what they accomplished we still use today - even down to most of the alphabet used to write in this newsgroup. At about the same time in history, *your* ancestors were busy painting their faces blue, howling at the moon and worshipping trees. All they gave us of any value was the names of some of the days of the week. At Lennie's age, he TURNS blue, can properly identify the moon three out of five times, and hikes a leg when he gets anywhere near a tree. Her can usually (but not always) get the days of the week in order if given a jingle to remember them by. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by
individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of January 31, 2005: Novice - 29,435 (decrease of 19,894) Technician - 265,739 (increase of 60,435) Technician Plus - 52,999 (decrease of 75,861) General - 137,763 (increase of 25,086) Advanced - 77,523 (decrease of 22,259) Extra - 106,121 (increase of 27,371) Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,738 (decrease of 15,516) Total all classes - 669,580 (decrease of 4812) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,738 (decrease of 15,516)
Total all classes - 669,580 (decrease of 4812) Yep dumbing Down is really working now. |
WA8ULX wrote: Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,738 (decrease of 15,516) Total all classes - 669,580 (decrease of 4812) Yep dumbing Down is really working now. Worked for you. Congrats. |
Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years
At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) -- Caveat Lector (Reader Beware) "bb" wrote in message ups.com... WA8ULX wrote: Total Tech/TechPlus - 318,738 (decrease of 15,516) Total all classes - 669,580 (decrease of 4812) Yep dumbing Down is really working now. Worked for you. Congrats. |
Caveat Lector wrote: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yep. The sky is falling according to chicken little. |
In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector"
writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. 73 de Jim, N2EY Gawd we are doomed -- Caveat Lector (Reader Beware) Help The New Hams Someone Helped You Or did You Forget That ? |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. 73 de Jim, N2EY Gawd we are doomed Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) G Brush Sed SS is Bank A Rupty in 2042 or so -- Caveat Lector (Reader Beware) Help The New Hams Someone Helped You Or did You Forget That ? |
Caveat Lector wrote: Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) G Brush Sed SS is Bank A Rupty in 2042 or so It's just awful, isn't it? Ask anyone not already on social security where will it be when they want to retire, and they'll tell you there won't be any left. Common knowledge. But some measly president comes along and wants to actually do something about it and all we hear is how you can't touch social security. Don't fix sumptin dat ain't broke. Hi, hi! Instead of Morse Myths, we should start SS Myths. Where's Aaaron Jones when you need him? |
In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? Unless there are strong protections, (which will end up a huge drain on the 'Guvmint) there may be people who suddenly find themselves poor. What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? Must your IRA all be in the market? Retirement investment must include safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? - Mike KB3EIA - They'll start running drugs again. Americans love drugs. |
bb wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? Must your IRA all be in the market? Retirement investment must include safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? Greed, that potential bad character that we have tapped and used for good in out semi capitalist system, is an almost irresistible pull on some people. I know quite a few people who during the mid to late '90's were so impressed by the stock market goings on, that they put all or most of their retirement investments in risky, high yielding investments. A couple invested exclusively in Tech stocks. Guess how much money they have today? (answer - not a whole lot) They won't be retiring early *or* soon. On the other hand, I was very careful with my retirement investments, and didn't lose anything. All I did was take a hit in my earning rate. Until the bubble burst though, Len wasn't the only person that thinks I'm a dimbulb! What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? - Mike KB3EIA - They'll start running drugs again. Americans love drugs. HOWL! - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. Agreed. It's supposed to be a safety net. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. Agreed! But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? You're in trouble. Unless there are strong protections, (which will end up a huge drain on the 'Guvmint) there may be people who suddenly find themselves poor. There's a basic rule of investment that return and risk are directly connected. If you want low risk you have to accept less return. One would think that even a lackluster student like Shrub would understand that concept, but he once again proves his basic nature as a forty watt bulb in a hundred watt socket. What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? They don't look that far ahead. Heck, they're not even concerned about paying back the money already borrowed from the SS system. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. Agreed. It's supposed to be a safety net. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. Agreed! But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? You're in trouble. Indeed. It happened in 2000, it will happen again. Unless there are strong protections, (which will end up a huge drain on the 'Guvmint) there may be people who suddenly find themselves poor. There's a basic rule of investment that return and risk are directly connected. If you want low risk you have to accept less return. One would think that even a lackluster student like Shrub would understand that concept, but he once again proves his basic nature as a forty watt bulb in a hundred watt socket. Unfortunately, humans often don't act that way. In fact I knew a few folks that wanted to "get just a little bit more" for their retirement. Their investment counselors actually allowed them to move their money from safe investments to risky ones. All for the sake of a few more dollars a month. Yoiks! And widespread gambling in the US is testament to that fact. What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? They don't look that far ahead. Heck, they're not even concerned about paying back the money already borrowed from the SS system. I guess the money isn't "borrowed" then is it? The part I look forward to is going to be how they try to blame THAT on the leeburalls........ 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article . com, "bb"
writes: Instead of Morse Myths, we should start SS Myths. Where's Aaaron Jones when you need him? Sorry, Brian, we can't talk about "SS." That's a dreaded "nazi" thing that greatly disturbs the Avenging Angle who wasn't born until 10 years after the end of WW2. "Time flies like the wind but fruit fllies like bananas." - anon. |
Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? Must your IRA all be in the market? Retirement investment must include safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? Greed, that potential bad character that we have tapped and used for good in out semi capitalist system, is an almost irresistible pull on some people. I'm sure that greed doens't exist in semi-socialist sytems, so why don't we just get it over with and switch? I know quite a few people who during the mid to late '90's were so impressed by the stock market goings on, that they put all or most of their retirement investments in risky, high yielding investments. A couple invested exclusively in Tech stocks. Guess how much money they have today? (answer - not a whole lot) They won't be retiring early *or* soon. Were those retirement investments outside of a conventional pension plan? On the other hand, I was very careful with my retirement investments, and didn't lose anything. All I did was take a hit in my earning rate. Until the bubble burst though, Len wasn't the only person that thinks I'm a dimbulb! Aren't you a University of PA employee? Just how much control do you have over your state employee and school employee retirement funds? What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? - Mike KB3EIA - They'll start running drugs again. Americans love drugs. HOWL! Just an idea. I'm sure it's never been tried before. |
N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. Agreed. It's supposed to be a safety net. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. Agreed! But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? You're in trouble. Unless there are strong protections, (which will end up a huge drain on the 'Guvmint) there may be people who suddenly find themselves poor. There's a basic rule of investment that return and risk are directly connected. If you want low risk you have to accept less return. One would think that even a lackluster student like Shrub would understand that concept, but he once again proves his basic nature as a forty watt bulb in a hundred watt socket. What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? They don't look that far ahead. Heck, they're not even concerned about paying back the money already borrowed from the SS system. 73 de Jim, N2EY So Jim thinks that Bush will mandate Tech Stocks as the only investment strategy for SS diversions? How about Gold? OJ futures? Shirley Bush will see the wisdom in futures? Jim thinks that one could not tailor their SS diversions according to their nearness to retirement? Jim holds no stock market investments. Jim's pension plan holds no stock market investments. Jim is a 100% treasury note kind of guy. Jim is safe. Jim is smart. Jim thinks Jim is the only 100 watt bulb around. Jim could get us to the moon and back. Hi! |
bb wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article 7stNd.29333$xt.17700@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article ou7Nd.29092$xt.13666@fed1read07, "Caveat Lector" writes: Oh gee -- the USA ARS License numbers are decreasing about 2% in 5 years Lessee...4,812/699,580.... Actually it's less than 1% loss in a little under 5 years! At that rate in 500 years, we will be a dead dodo (Ain't statistics wundeful wunderful?) Yup. How about this one: If a number decreases 2% every 5 years, it will be down to just about half the original number in 170 years. Gawd we are doomed Yeah! Suggest you young pups and baby boomers start worrying about your Social Security rather than the demise of Amateur Radio in 170 to 500 years or so (pick a decline stat) I decided a couple decades ago not to depend on SS for retirement. If I get something from it, great. But I'm not counting on it. SS is not a retirement plan. It is a mistake to count any money from it a a given. But I do have a few questions about privatized SS. What happens if the Stock market tanks the month before your retirement? Must your IRA all be in the market? Retirement investment must include safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? Greed, that potential bad character that we have tapped and used for good in out semi capitalist system, is an almost irresistible pull on some people. I'm sure that greed doens't exist in semi-socialist sytems, so why don't we just get it over with and switch? Huh? I don't understand. I know quite a few people who during the mid to late '90's were so impressed by the stock market goings on, that they put all or most of their retirement investments in risky, high yielding investments. A couple invested exclusively in Tech stocks. Guess how much money they have today? (answer - not a whole lot) They won't be retiring early *or* soon. Were those retirement investments outside of a conventional pension plan? No. Where I am at, there are two retirement plan options. One is with the state, and the other allows you to "customize" your plan with your investment options. On the other hand, I was very careful with my retirement investments,and didn't lose anything. All I did was take a hit in my earning rate. Until the bubble burst though, Len wasn't the only person that thinks I'm a dimbulb! Aren't you a University of PA employee? Penn State. U of Pa is the one in Philadelphia. Just how much control do you have over your state employee and school employee retirement funds? Those two plans. We also have an additional TDA possibility from various companies. On the state plan, there is not a lot you can do. On the other plan, there are more investment options. What are the politicians going to raid for extra money? - Mike KB3EIA - They'll start running drugs again. Americans love drugs. HOWL! Just an idea. I'm sure it's never been tried before. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Michael Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? Greed, that potential bad character that we have tapped and used for good in out semi capitalist system, is an almost irresistible pull on some people. I'm sure that greed doens't exist in semi-socialist sytems, so why don't we just get it over with and switch? Huh? I don't understand. "Social" security. Get it? And some of the greediest people were socialists. I know quite a few people who during the mid to late '90's were so impressed by the stock market goings on, that they put all or most of their retirement investments in risky, high yielding investments. A couple invested exclusively in Tech stocks. Guess how much money they have today? (answer - not a whole lot) They won't be retiring early *or* soon. Were those retirement investments outside of a conventional pension plan? No. Where I am at, there are two retirement plan options. One is with the state, and the other allows you to "customize" your plan with your investment options. Do they limit your options to somewhat wise, conservative investments? Or are you options wide open? Probably not. The Federal Government would likely put limits on the types of investments you could make with your SS diversion. No gold and platinum futures, for example. As you graduate to an older age group, they would probably change the investment vehicles available. Gosh! But that's just me thinking out loud. I heard from Al Franken that Bush doesn't want any ideas on this matter. On the other hand, I was very careful with my retirement investments,and didn't lose anything. All I did was take a hit in my earning rate. Until the bubble burst though, Len wasn't the only person that thinks I'm a dimbulb! Aren't you a University of PA employee? Penn State. U of Pa is the one in Philadelphia. The point is that you do have a government pension plan. Just how much control do you have over your state employee and school employee retirement funds? Those two plans. We also have an additional TDA possibility from various companies. On the state plan, there is not a lot you can do. On the other plan, there are more investment options. TDA? Is that like a supplemental, tax-deferred investment option? Ohio has a 457, "deferred compensation," plan, which is in addition to the public employees retirement system. http://nrsretire.nrsservicecenter.co...ome/?Site=Ohio Ohio also has five (5) public employees retirement systems for some reason. http://ohio.gov/Retirement.stm If you want to see something scary, look at the Federal Employees Retirement System. They tell you right up front that SS is "the rest of your retirement." Not the so called safety net that Jim and FDR described it as. |
Mike Coslo wrote: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: They don't look that far ahead. Heck, they're not even concerned about paying back the money already borrowed from the SS system. I guess the money isn't "borrowed" then is it? The part I look forward to is going to be how they try to blame THAT on the leeburalls........ 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Shouldn't be a problem. For all the democratic years that the fund has been raided, noone has ever tried to pay it back. |
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Michael Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: safer places to park your money. Look at the Federal retirement system. Look at your state retirement system. Look at your teacher's retirement system. Is is all in the market? Is it all out of the market? Or is it a balance of the two? Greed, that potential bad character that we have tapped and used for good in out semi capitalist system, is an almost irresistible pull on some people. I'm sure that greed doens't exist in semi-socialist sytems, so why don't we just get it over with and switch? Huh? I don't understand. "Social" security. Get it? And some of the greediest people were socialists. Greed is not limited to any one group. I know quite a few people who during the mid to late '90's were so impressed by the stock market goings on, that they put all or most of their retirement investments in risky, high yielding investments. A couple invested exclusively in Tech stocks. Guess how much money they have today? (answer - not a whole lot) They won't be retiring early *or* soon. Were those retirement investments outside of a conventional pension plan? No. Where I am at, there are two retirement plan options. One is with the state, and the other allows you to "customize" your plan with your investment options. Do they limit your options to somewhat wise, conservative investments? No. Or are you options wide open? Probably not. I'm not on the system with lots of options, so I'm mentally paraphrasing here a bit: There are a number of options in which you can spread percentages of your money. Those options run the spectrum from blue chip to high yield, high risk. Your retirement income is based on your contributions and how well the investments did. The Federal Government would likely put limits on the types of investments you could make with your SS diversion. Ho-boy, another Federally controlled system. 8^) No gold and platinum futures, for example. Probably a good idea. As you graduate to an older age group, they would probably change the investment vehicles available. Gosh! One of the people I know that lost a lot of money was thinking that. He said that two years before retirement, he was going to pull his money out of the high risk stuff and put it into the "safe" stuff. But that's just me thinking out loud. I heard from Al Franken that Bush doesn't want any ideas on this matter. On the other hand, I was very careful with my retirement investments,and didn't lose anything. All I did was take a hit in my earning rate. Until the bubble burst though, Len wasn't the only person that thinks I'm a dimbulb! Aren't you a University of PA employee? Penn State. U of Pa is the one in Philadelphia. The point is that you do have a government pension plan. Yup. Just how much control do you have over your state employee and school employee retirement funds? Those two plans. We also have an additional TDA possibility from various companies. On the state plan, there is not a lot you can do. On the other plan, there are more investment options. TDA? Is that like a supplemental, tax-deferred investment option? Ohio has a 457, "deferred compensation," plan, which is in addition to the public employees retirement system. Yup, that's it. http://nrsretire.nrsservicecenter.co...ome/?Site=Ohio Ohio also has five (5) public employees retirement systems for some reason. http://ohio.gov/Retirement.stm If you want to see something scary, look at the Federal Employees Retirement System. They tell you right up front that SS is "the rest of your retirement." Not the so called safety net that Jim and FDR described it as. I see they have three different plans, Social Security, a basic benefit plan and a thrift savings plan. Looks pretty much like a typical plan group. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article .com,
writes: Ask Len - he's our resident liberal. But it isn't a Morse code testing issue..... That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds of things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing. And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a civil, rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old ad-hominem game. Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping. Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam. Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?" Is it the mouthing of some Antichrist? Is it a personal pejorative on someone? I don't think so. Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely insist on keeping that code test forever and ever. Morse code mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens. They must remain as a living museum to archaic communications modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and "recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived). They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down on all others if those others are against morse code testing. These die-hard morse mavens (unable to look good in a Bruce Willis toupee and tee-shirt) call anti-morse-test advocates as "liberal" in all things because morse testing and the morse mode is righteous "conservatism"...because morsemanship is their thing and they are "superior" from that. Political commentary on national and international politics belongs in a political newsgroup. Skill in morsemanship does NOT make for informed expertise on national politics, national economics, finances, medical expertise, or choo-choo train stuff. Moresemen want to give that impression...but their impressions hardly make a dent in Play-Dough from their righteous hammerings. On the other hand, morsemen come in here to vent their tumultuous frustrations of everyday life on others and wildly abandon any trace of civility or composure by yelling badness at others (see the Mad-Dog Mattis morseman's outrage). Or they adopt the holier-than-thou personna of the morse minister out to save the heathen souls who will not worship their false idols made of brass from brass-pounding (see Rev. Jimmy Who when not giving a Sermon on the Antenna Mount). All of those self-righteous morsemen are "superior" because they have lifted themselves by their own bootstraps. They are above all others because of that. All against morse code testing are "inferior" because they do not love morse. As a result we have the rabid flaming personal warfare where the self-righteous morse test advocates must win all arguments by ANY means possible. Their "means" are perfectly acceptible. Replies in opposition are always wrong, always a personal insult. It is the PCTA "holy calling." Holy cow. Sacred cow. Mooo. Booo. "Reasonable discourse" in here ended years ago. PCTA in excelsior! [packed in wood chips ready for shipping] |
Len Anderson wrote: In article .com, writes: Ask Len - he's our resident liberal. But it isn't a Morse code testing issue..... That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds of things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing. And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a civil, rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old ad-hominem game. Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping. Absolutely the very same "technique" you have employed in this forum over and over and over and........ Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam. And taking liberties with the truth... Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?" Is it the mouthing of some Antichrist? Is it a personal pejorative on someone? I don't think so. Of course you don't. You have no stake in any of what you propose, nor will any of the changes you propose have any effect on you. Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely insist on keeping that code test forever and ever. You have no stake in any of what you propose, nor will any of the changes you propose have any effect on you. Morse code mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens. They must remain as a living museum to archaic communications modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and "recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived). They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down on all others if those others are against morse code testing. Here we go with LennieTroll #3764... These die-hard morse mavens (unable to look good in a Bruce Willis toupee and tee-shirt) call anti-morse-test advocates as "liberal" in all things because morse testing and the morse mode is righteous "conservatism"...because morsemanship is their thing and they are "superior" from that. But you ARE a "liberal", Lennie. You show gross disrespect for the Armed Forces by misrepresenting your own service therein and taking the sacrifices of others as your own. Just like your Hero William Jefferson Clinton, you take liberties with redefining "truth", and any other definition based upon how hard the hammer's being dropped on your head. Most of the time it's pretty hard since you keep insisting on psoting deceitful and bogus tripe. Political commentary on national and international politics belongs in a political newsgroup. Here we have "this is an unmoderated newsgroup"/"you are not a moderator" Lennie Anderson telling us what we can discuss, where we can discuss it, etc. Skill in morsemanship does NOT make for informed expertise on national politics, national economics, finances, medical expertise, or choo-choo train stuff. Nope...but it DOES make us qualified to be licensed Radio Amateurs, a feat you have yet to accomplish. Moresemen want to give that impression...but their impressions hardly make a dent in Play-Dough from their righteous hammerings. They obviously DO "make an impression" because you feel compelled to keep coming in here and making issue os practices and policies for an avocation in which you are not a participant. On the other hand, morsemen come in here to vent their tumultuous frustrations of everyday life on others and wildly abandon any trace of civility or composure by yelling badness at others (see the Mad-Dog Mattis morseman's outrage). "Morsemen" have a reason to be in an Amateur Radio forum, but who is "Mad-Dog Mattis"...?!?! Or they adopt the holier-than-thou personna of the morse minister out to save the heathen souls who will not worship their false idols made of brass from brass-pounding (see Rev. Jimmy Who when not giving a Sermon on the Antenna Mount). Who is "Reverend Jimmy"...??? What "sermon"...??? All of those self-righteous morsemen are "superior" because they have lifted themselves by their own bootstraps. Whelp, Your Putziness, that IS what Amateur Radio is all about. Part 97 refers. They are above all others because of that. All against morse code testing are "inferior" because they do not love morse. Other than you, who said that, Lennie? Names? Posts? Show your work. As a result we have the rabid flaming personal warfare where the self-righteous morse test advocates must win all arguments by ANY means possible. Their "means" are perfectly acceptible. Replies in opposition are always wrong, always a personal insult. It is the PCTA "holy calling." Holy cow. Sacred cow. Mooo. Booo. Guess you really got soemthing started, eh Lennie? More than one poster has, on more than one occassion, redirected the use of such tactics, only to have YOU dig in deeper. "Reasonable discourse" in here ended years ago. You mean "No one kneels down and pays me proper respect"...!?!? What sis you expect? You're a documented liar. Who can respect that? PCTA in excelsior! [packed in wood chips ready for shipping] You were saying about pejoratives...??? Putz Putz Steve, K4YZ |
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