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What "doom?" There is no "doom." There is only this subject
header that's been going since May Day of 2003. :-) The only "doom" is in the old Dragnet show theme...you know, the one that goes "doom-de-doom-doom..." :-) All USA radio amateurs in their grace period are in limbo and don't count for anything. All the no-code-technicians have expired since they never renewed and therefore don't exist. Excuse me...I was trying to think like the PCTA. Too hard. Gotta get more acetaminophen. |
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John Smith wrote: When the data attempts to force the fact that doom is comming--re-arrange the data and argue like hell!!! And make counter-accusations. Of course, that is how the doom occurred in the first place! John If only they could ration the rationalization. |
John,
Are you an advisor to President Bush? Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - the sky is falling, the sky is falling! "John Smith" wrote in message ... When the data attempts to force the fact that doom is comming--re-arrange the data and argue like hell!!! Of course, that is how the doom occurred in the first place! John wrote in message oups.com... From: on Jun 1, 9:15 pm These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: deleted, four-year-old data, grace periods are only 2 years As of May 31, 2005: Novice - 28,370 (decrease of 20,959) Technician - 268,575 (increase of 63,181) Technician Plus - 49,098 (decrease of 79,762) General - 136,581 (increase of 23,904) Advanced - 76,119 (decrease of 23,663) Extra - 106,707 (increase of 27,957) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,673 (decrease of 16,581) Total all classes - 665,450 (decrease of 9,342) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses That's simply untrue, . Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus or Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. An absolutely IMPORTANT clarification to obscure the fact that no-code-test Technicians are condescendingly sponged into the MORSE-TESTED totals. Here's the totals of ALL AMATEUR licenses as given by www.hamdata.com as of 5 June 2005, with "delta" relative to those same classes two years ago...and the percentage of total 2005-date licenses less 9,550 "Club" calls: Class Licenses Delta Percentage Technician (no-code-test) 293,613 +19,932 40.64 Technician Plus 56,161 -19,480 7.77 Novice 34,116 -8,331 4.72 General 144,802 +1,855 20.30 Advanced 82,902 -3,322 11.43 Extra 109,325 +3,678 15.13 Total Less "Club" calls 722,452 -5,668* 99.99** * 2003 all-license totals were 736,616 or which 8,496 were "Club" calls so the Delta for comparison is 728,120. ** Percentage totals do not add up to precisely 100% due to arithmetic round-off to hundredths. Note: "Club" calls include all the non-individual license grants. As of the hamdata.com figures for this Sunday, 5 Jun 05, NO-CODE-TEST Technician Class licensees outnumber General Class licensees by an almost exact 2:1 ratio. [General class licensees WERE the largest in old days, no more] Nota Bene: The total licenses for the no-code-test Technician Class, 293,613, do NOT include the "Tech Plus" total licenses of 56,161. [let's stop this foolish "lumping-together" by rather obvious PCTAs in trying to embelish the sanctity and nobility of morsemanship] ALL license classes in the Technician (no-code-test), General, and Amateur Extra classes have the SAME grace period. If current Novice or Advanced license holders don't RETEST, they go bye-bye, get defunct, disappear from that great database. The current percentage of NO-CODE-TEST Technician class licensees now make up slightly over FORTY PERCENT of all classes. It is obviously the most populous of ALL classes and CONTINUES TO GROW. Neglecting that singular LARGE class of radio amateurs is foolish pipe-dreaming or weird personal fantasizing. We now return you to the regularly scheduled PCTA rationalization party in progress... |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: When the data attempts to force the fact that doom is comming--re-arrange the data and argue like hell!!! And make counter-accusations. Of course, that is how the doom occurred in the first place! John If only they could ration the rationalization. There ain't no rationalization here, this is *religion*, pure and simple ;) Either yer fer us or agin us! LOL 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
wrote That's simply untrue, . Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. You're mistaken. MilRec Amateur Radio station licenses (and calls) are assigned by the FCC. The military has NO legal jurisdiction over the assignment of those calls. No Morse or written test is required to obtain this station license. Just a couple of examples of these station licenses are W4ODR and KH6SP. These Military Auspices station licenses number less than 100, so are not a significant percentage off all station licenses and can be ignored in the sort of census that N2EY records here. Another example of Andersoneque half-vast knowledge of Amateur Radio matters. The information is available to all citizens, even non-licensed persons, in FCC rules at §97.5(b)(3). dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
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Hey!!! george (our fearless leader) said that same thing... Art Bell said, "If george said it, it must be true." ... well, maybe something like that... grin Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "bb" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: When the data attempts to force the fact that doom is comming--re-arrange the data and argue like hell!!! And make counter-accusations. Of course, that is how the doom occurred in the first place! John If only they could ration the rationalization. There ain't no rationalization here, this is *religion*, pure and simple ;) Either yer fer us or agin us! LOL 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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I just kiss the ground our five-foot-one-inch-tall fearless leader walks on... (well, something like that...) grin Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... John, Are you an advisor to President Bush? Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - the sky is falling, the sky is falling! "John Smith" wrote in message ... When the data attempts to force the fact that doom is comming--re-arrange the data and argue like hell!!! Of course, that is how the doom occurred in the first place! John wrote in message oups.com... From: on Jun 1, 9:15 pm These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: deleted, four-year-old data, grace periods are only 2 years As of May 31, 2005: Novice - 28,370 (decrease of 20,959) Technician - 268,575 (increase of 63,181) Technician Plus - 49,098 (decrease of 79,762) General - 136,581 (increase of 23,904) Advanced - 76,119 (decrease of 23,663) Extra - 106,707 (increase of 27,957) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,673 (decrease of 16,581) Total all classes - 665,450 (decrease of 9,342) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses That's simply untrue, . Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus or Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. An absolutely IMPORTANT clarification to obscure the fact that no-code-test Technicians are condescendingly sponged into the MORSE-TESTED totals. Here's the totals of ALL AMATEUR licenses as given by www.hamdata.com as of 5 June 2005, with "delta" relative to those same classes two years ago...and the percentage of total 2005-date licenses less 9,550 "Club" calls: Class Licenses Delta Percentage Technician (no-code-test) 293,613 +19,932 40.64 Technician Plus 56,161 -19,480 7.77 Novice 34,116 -8,331 4.72 General 144,802 +1,855 20.30 Advanced 82,902 -3,322 11.43 Extra 109,325 +3,678 15.13 Total Less "Club" calls 722,452 -5,668* 99.99** * 2003 all-license totals were 736,616 or which 8,496 were "Club" calls so the Delta for comparison is 728,120. ** Percentage totals do not add up to precisely 100% due to arithmetic round-off to hundredths. Note: "Club" calls include all the non-individual license grants. As of the hamdata.com figures for this Sunday, 5 Jun 05, NO-CODE-TEST Technician Class licensees outnumber General Class licensees by an almost exact 2:1 ratio. [General class licensees WERE the largest in old days, no more] Nota Bene: The total licenses for the no-code-test Technician Class, 293,613, do NOT include the "Tech Plus" total licenses of 56,161. [let's stop this foolish "lumping-together" by rather obvious PCTAs in trying to embelish the sanctity and nobility of morsemanship] ALL license classes in the Technician (no-code-test), General, and Amateur Extra classes have the SAME grace period. If current Novice or Advanced license holders don't RETEST, they go bye-bye, get defunct, disappear from that great database. The current percentage of NO-CODE-TEST Technician class licensees now make up slightly over FORTY PERCENT of all classes. It is obviously the most populous of ALL classes and CONTINUES TO GROW. Neglecting that singular LARGE class of radio amateurs is foolish pipe-dreaming or weird personal fantasizing. We now return you to the regularly scheduled PCTA rationalization party in progress... |
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From: on Jun 1, 9:15 pm These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: deleted, four-year-old data, grace periods are only 2 years May 14, 2000 was five years ago, Len. And the purpose of posting those numbers is to have a comparison with today's numbers. As of May 31, 2005: Novice - 28,370 (decrease of 20,959) Technician - 268,575 (increase of 63,181) Technician Plus - 49,098 (decrease of 79,762) General - 136,581 (increase of 23,904) Advanced - 76,119 (decrease of 23,663) Extra - 106,707 (increase of 27,957) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,673 (decrease of 16,581) Total all classes - 665,450 (decrease of 9,342) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses That's simply untrue, . N2EY is my callsign. Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. The totals above "do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses". What is untrue about what I wrote? FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. See post by K0HB on this subject. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus or Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. An absolutely IMPORTANT clarification to obscure the fact that no-code-test Technicians are condescendingly sponged into the MORSE-TESTED totals. It's important simply because the license class "Technician" includes both code-tested and noncodetested amateurs. Here's the totals of ALL AMATEUR licenses as given by www.hamdata.com as of 5 June 2005, with "delta" relative to those same classes two years ago These totals *include* expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses. ...and the percentage of total 2005-date licenses less 9,550 "Club" calls: Class Licenses Delta Percentage Technician (no-code-test) 293,613 +19,932 40.64 Technician Plus 56,161 -19,480 7.77 Note that the decline in Technician Plus license numbers almost exactly matches the increase in Technician license numbers. Novice 34,116 -8,331 4.72 General 144,802 +1,855 20.30 Advanced 82,902 -3,322 11.43 Extra 109,325 +3,678 15.13 Total Less "Club" calls 722,452 -5,668* 99.99** * 2003 all-license totals were 736,616 or which 8,496 were "Club" calls so the Delta for comparison is 728,120. ** Percentage totals do not add up to precisely 100% due to arithmetic round-off to hundredths. Note: "Club" calls include all the non-individual license grants. As of the hamdata.com figures for this Sunday, 5 Jun 05, NO-CODE-TEST Technician Class licensees outnumber General Class licensees by an almost exact 2:1 ratio. [General class licensees WERE the largest in old days, no more] The license class "Technician" includes both code-tested and noncodetested amateurs. If the FCC does not change the rules, there will be no more Technician Plus licenses less than 5 years from now, because they all will have been renewed as Technicians. Nota Bene: The total licenses for the no-code-test Technician Class, 293,613, do NOT include the "Tech Plus" total licenses of 56,161. But they *do* include all former Technician Plus licenses that were renewed after April 15, 2000 but not upgraded since then. And they include all former Novice licenses upgraded to Technician after April 15, 2000 but not upgraded since then. It is incorrect to say that Technicians are all "no-code-test" because some of them are code tested. [let's stop this foolish "lumping-together" by rather obvious PCTAs in trying to embelish the sanctity and nobility of morsemanship] FCC has been renewing all Technician Pluses as Technicians since April 15, 2000. They are doing the "lumping". ALL license classes in the Technician (no-code-test), General, and Amateur Extra classes have the SAME grace period. All amateur radio licenses have the same grace period - two years. If current Novice or Advanced license holders don't RETEST, they go bye-bye, get defunct, disappear from that great database. The previous statement is incorrect. Current Novice and Advanced licensees can renew and modify their licenses indefinitely, and retain their operating privileges. There is no retesting requirement for them to retain their current operating privileges. Current Technician Plus licensees can renew and modify their licenses indefinitely, and retain their operating privileges. There is no retesting requirement for them to retain their current operating privileges. However, their licenses will be renewed as Technician. The current percentage of NO-CODE-TEST Technician class licensees now make up slightly over FORTY PERCENT of all classes. The license class "Technician" includes both code-tested and noncodetested amateurs. It is incorrect to say that Technicians are all "no-code-test" because some of them are code tested. It is obviously the most populous of ALL classes and CONTINUES TO GROW. It grows from three sources: 1) New licensees 2) Upgrades from Novices 3) Renewals of Technician Plus as Technician. Neglecting that singular LARGE class of radio amateurs is foolish pipe-dreaming or weird personal fantasizing. What "neglect", Len? They are listed along with all others. We now return you to the regularly scheduled PCTA rationalization party in progress... No rationalization on my part, Len. The numbers I post are what they say: current, unexpired licenses held by individuals. I do not include expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses, nor club or other non-individual licenses. |
wrote If current Novice or Advanced license holders don't RETEST, they go bye-bye, get defunct, disappear from that great database. That's simply UNTRUE! Again you display your half-vast ability to understand the FCC rules. Current Novice and current Advanced license holders can renew at their current class until they no longer take nourishment and assume room temperature. No RETEST required. Don't you just hate it when facts spoil your ill-researched rants? dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
wrote All USA radio amateurs in their grace period are in limbo and don't count for anything. That's absolutely correct, insofar as it refers to the Amateur Radio census. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
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"K4YZ" wrote The only callsigns issued by any of the Armed Forces for US Amateurs are those issued by the Air Force for American's subject to the US-Japan SOFA who are IN Japan. Not true. US Amateurs in Japan are no longer assigned "KA#xx" callsigns. They get their licenses from the Japanese government now (with callsigns in the "foreigners" block "8J#xxx" IIRC). However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic Bases (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote The only callsigns issued by any of the Armed Forces for US Amateurs are those issued by the Air Force for American's subject to the US-Japan SOFA who are IN Japan. Not true. US Amateurs in Japan are no longer assigned "KA#xx" callsigns.= They get their licenses from the Japanese government now (with callsigns in the "foreigners" block "8J#xxx" IIRC). However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic Bases = (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: K=D8HB wrote: However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic Base= s (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. And let's not forget the KC4USA thru USZ series... Steve, K4YZ |
From: "K0HB" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 20:09
wrote All USA radio amateurs in their grace period are in limbo and don't count for anything. That's absolutely correct, insofar as it refers to the Amateur Radio census. Sorry, "I am simply mistaken." Thus it has been written by the morsemen through which amateur radio is truly represented in their service to the nation and any statment, utterance, phrase by those not acquainted with morse code cannot ever possibly be true. Remember, Ahab, the white whale may surface any moment! Keep those harpoons all shiny and sharp! [watch out for Queegquegg, he is looking for those strawberries...keep your caine handy] |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: KØHB wrote: However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic Bases (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. And let's not forget the KC4USA thru USZ series... Who "forgot" it? That's part of the Antarctic Bases block administered by USN. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
From: "K4YZ" on Jun 7, 5:22 am
Getting a headache, Lennie? You should. That's from the rolling pin smacking your pointed little head for making yet another STUPID and absolutely untrue assertion about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Only after the "Lennie Anderson Self Appreciation and Glorification" show is over...when ever THAT may be... ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: on Jun 1, 9:15 pm Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses That's simply untrue, . Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. Nice try at an end run, Lennie. "Military" club stations ARE administered by the FCC. A "military" club call is not a military station. It's hobby radio. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: on Jun 1, 9:15 pm Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses That's simply untrue, . Military "calls" are assigned by the MILITARY. FCC has NO legal jurisdiction over USA military OR government radio. Nice try at an end run, Lennie. "Military" club stations ARE administered by the FCC. A "military" club call is not a military station. It's hobby radio. I agree...But follow the above cited comments, Brian. LENNIE was the one trying to suggest otherwise. I stated that it's a "club station"... Steve, K4YZ |
From: K4YZ on Jun 7, 9:28 pm
You want to make good-and-sure that EVERYONE knows what a stain you are on Veterans everywhere, don't you, Lennie. Lennie Anderson...ex-Army radio mechaninc, and defiler of the sacrifices of his "fellow" Veterans. A scumbag. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
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From: "K4YZ" on Jun 8, 5:14 am
I didn't get any farther than this to see what yet anotehr moronic anti-Amateur Radio rant this was. Yet another validation of my claim that Leonard H. Anderson is a chronic, pathological liar. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: K=D8HB wrote: However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic Ba= ses (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. And let's not forget the KC4USA thru USZ series... Who "forgot" it? That's part of the Antarctic Bases block administered b= y USN. =20 dit dit de Hans, K0HB Hi! |
bb wrote: K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: K=D8HB wrote: However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarctic = Bases (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. And let's not forget the KC4USA thru USZ series... Who "forgot" it? That's part of the Antarctic Bases block administered= by USN. dit dit de Hans, K0HB Hi! I missed the humor, Brain. Is the United States Navy part of the federal government? And did Hans NOT cite the USA through USN blocks in his post? Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote And did Hans NOT cite the USA through USN blocks in his post? I didn't cite any blocks. I simply cited a few example callsigns. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote And did Hans NOT cite the USA through USN blocks in his post? I didn't cite any blocks. I simply cited a few example callsigns. ...and missed the most obvious...As I did initially. Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... I didn't cite any blocks. I simply cited a few example callsigns. ...and missed the most obvious...As I did initially. There are no calls currently assigned from that block, thus no examples for me to cite. Hans, K0HB |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K=D8HB wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: K=D8HB wrote: However, the US Navy does issue callsigns to amateurs at Antarcti= c Bases (ie, KC4AAA, KC4AAC) and Guantanamo Bay (ie, KG4ML, KG4OX). I forgot about Gitmo and Antarctica...You're completely correct. And let's not forget the KC4USA thru USZ series... Who "forgot" it? That's part of the Antarctic Bases block administer= ed by USN. dit dit de Hans, K0HB Hi! I missed the humor, Brain. Nothing new there. Is the United States Navy part of the federal government? "Sorry Hans, USN IS FCC." And did Hans NOT cite the USA through USN blocks in his post? Yes, he did not. He cited KC4AAA, KC4AAC, KG4ML, and KG4OX. Steve, K4YZ You got one right. |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held
by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of June 15, 2005: Novice - 28,271 (decrease of 21,058) Technician - 269,048 (increase of 63,654) Technician Plus - 48,743 (decrease of 80,117) General - 136,560 (increase of 23,883) Advanced - 76,000 (decrease of 23,782) Extra - 106,793 (increase of 28,043) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,891 (decrease of 16,363) Total all classes - 665,415 (decrease of 9,377) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus or Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur licenses held
by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of June 30, 2005: Novice - 28,151 (decrease of 21,178) Technician - 269,286 (increase of 63,892) Technician Plus - 48,369 (decrease of 80,491) General - 136,435 (increase of 23,758) Advanced - 75,812 (decrease of 23,970) Extra - 106,852 (increase of 28,102) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,655 (decrease of 16,599) Total all classes - 664,905 (decrease of 9,887) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus or Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of July 15, 2005: Novice - 28,080 (decrease of 21,249) Technician - 269,658 (increase of 64,264) Technician Plus - 48,064 (decrease of 80,796) General - 136,377 (increase of 23,700) Advanced - 75,730 (decrease of 24,052) Extra - 106,908 (increase of 28,158) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,722 (decrease of 16,532) Total all classes - 664,817 (decrease of 9,975) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"an_old_friend" wrote your point in these looks like biweekly updates? 1st and 15th, just like clockwork. It's a nasty job, but somebody has to do it. |
an_old_friend wrote:
your point in these looks like biweekly updates? Simple: They provide a running record of the number of licensed amateurs in the USA, by license class. Growth and decline over time can be seen. And the information will be preserved as long as rrap is archived somewhere. It should be noted that the number of US hams grew slightly after the rules changes of April 2000, peaking in early 2003. Since then, all the gain has gone and the totals are now almost 10,000 below what they were before the rules changes. wrote: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Technician - 205,394 Technician Plus - 128,860 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 Total all classes - 674,792 As of July 15, 2005: Novice - 28,080 (decrease of 21,249) Technician - 269,658 (increase of 64,264) Technician Plus - 48,064 (decrease of 80,796) General - 136,377 (increase of 23,700) Advanced - 75,730 (decrease of 24,052) Extra - 106,908 (increase of 28,158) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,722 (decrease of 16,532) Total all classes - 664,817 (decrease of 9,975) Note that these totals do not include licenses that have expired but are in the grace period. They also do not include club, military, RACES or other station-only licenses. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
From: an_old_friend on Jul 16, 10:14 pm
your point in these looks like biweekly updates? He feels "important" and "of service" to the "amateur community. Never mind that he cribs from www.qrz.com which is what anyone can do...or even www.hamdata.com. wrote: These are the numbers of current, unexpired amateur radio licenses held by individuals on the stated dates: As of May 14, 2000: That's very nice but the PEAK of licensing happened on 2 July 2003. shrug As of the end of 16 July 2005, www.hamdata.com had the following number of licensees per class, obtained from the publicly-available FCC database; Technician 294,523 (40.80%) Technician Plus 55,280 ( 7.66%) Novice 33,521 ( 4.64%) General 146,748 (20.33%) Advanced 82,371 (11.41%) Extra 109,509 (15.17%) Total Individual 721,952 [less 9,590 "club" calls] In the last 12 months there were 16,149 NEW licenses granted but there were 19,086 expirations for a net gain of -2,937. In the last 24 months there was an overall gain of -6,835 licenses. The total of Technician and Technician Plus licensees now make up 48.46% of all individual licensees. The number of Technician class licensees is over twice as many as Generals. Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses are no longer issued, and that all existing Technician Plus licenses are being renewed as Technician. Note also that, effective 1934, the FCC is the civil radio regulating agency in the United States. [might as well be "complete" about old notices... :-) ] bit bit |
From: on Jul 16, 10:51 pm
an_old_friend wrote: your point in these looks like biweekly updates? Simple: They provide a running record of the number of licensed amateurs in the USA, by license class. Growth and decline over time can be seen. And the information will be preserved as long as rrap is archived somewhere. Oh, woweeee. Is that like "preserved for posterity?" :-) Don't QRZ and Hamdata do any "archiving?" I'm sure the FCC does "archiving." After all, they are the ones granting the licenses, keeping the database... :-) It should be noted that the number of US hams grew slightly after the rules changes of April 2000, peaking in early 2003. Since then, all the gain has gone and the totals are now almost 10,000 below what they were before the rules changes. Based on "archived data" on Hamdata.com, the number of individual licensees on 16 July 2003 were 738,787. The number of individual licensees on 16 July 2005 were 721,542. That's a difference of 6,835...HARDLY anything close to "almost 10,000 below." Turns out that 6,835 is 68.35 percent of 10,000 and a LOT closer to two-thirds. I'm just using the total number of individual licensees. If I were to use "only" those who were not in the grace period, that number would be SMALLER than that, even farther from 10,000 that you state. So far, you haven't been able to do much in the way of Real Numbers, Mr. Engineer. Too much diesel smoke from the engine sooting up your notes? Tsk. Well, okay, maybe its all that "effort" to download the FCC publicly-available database clouded your thinking, right? You DO download that all by yourself, don't you? DSL you got, right? Then do the sorting by fields to get what you want? Did you write the program yourself or did you have help? Let us know, okay? Myself, all I need is to glance at Hamdata or QRZ website and trust them. shrug In here we have YOUR "service," right? [ e pluribus micollis ] [sounds like a microbe...] Did you know that your "service" postings for posterity have now reached "1800" posts on Google? Actually its only about 1200 by Google count...I used "1800" because that is about like your math of "almost 10,000"..."1800" is "almost like" 1200. :-) No, that's wrong! "800" is "almost like" 1200! But the Google message count hasn't changed! Amazing...you post more and it totals up less! :-) [fun with numbers!] So, Jimmah, what about the two Technician classes getting close to the 50% point? No snarly gotta-love-morse comments on that? Didn't you try to say all those Technicians were going to drastically DROP in numbers a year or so ago? Why haven't they dropped, oh servant seer to the grope? Quick, waste everyone's time with your old PCTA mantras chanted in here! dit dot |
an_old_friend wrote:
your point in these looks like biweekly updates? I love anything qith *bi* in it!!! |
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