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"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "William H. O'Hara, III" wrote in message .61... Kim, I don't think that you mentioned the only practical use for CW, today. In an emergency operation one can use CW almost as a cipher. If Newsreporters, whom possess "investigative skills", were to attempt their intercepts by a scanner, then they would simply have no comprehension. With all due respect, William (or is it Bill), seems that deliberately coding/encrypting on the amateur bands is contrary to the R&R, if ya know what I mean. And, it also seems to me that any reporter with really good investigative skills would be well aware of your scenario, above. Now Ive heard everything. CW is now a method of encryption. Oh good grief. That is a first. I never thought Id live so long as to see so much idiocy about the Morse Code. Unbelievable Dan/W4NTI Dan, its not a first, its a second. One ham on rrap has suggested that he would not only use Morse/CW but that he would send the characters so atrociously that it could not be read by a computer code reader so that the NCTs couldn't know what he was saying. You have DICK to thank for that. Ive been know to do that in some situations. I.E. When the returning station is sending perfect cw and cant copy a thing I sent to him. Must be on a reader and a keyboard. I just screw up the character spacing, or go to a bug. Works every time. Dan/W4NTI |
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In article , Dwight Stewart
writes: "William H. O'Hara, III" wrote: Opsec happens to mean Operation Security. I guess that everyone loves Delta Force and the terms endeared by SFOD-1D. The acronym "OPSEC" has been around for many decades - long before Delta Force or whatever. I first heard it from my father when I was just a young child. And I've seen the acronym in very old books about WWII. Well, Dwight, some in here still think there was CW used in the First Gulf War to send intel data "from behind enemy lines." :-) I've never heard the term "OPSEC" in the 1950s while on active duty or any time as a civilian from the 1960s on through the end of the 1980s while visiting different military branch installations. COMSEC or COMmunications SECurity is the current buzzword (of the last decade or so) and refers to any means of encryption in military communications. Oddly, "ICOM" or "Integrated COMSEC" is applied to later models of the SINCGARS R/T that includes hardware for voice/data encryption and decryption. That does not refer to the Japanese designer-manufacturer of communications equipment Icom. Perhaps some have seen too many Chuck Norris movies? :-) LHA |
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: There is a little bit over 50Mhz of frequencies they could do alot with there, and I almost would accept the loss of those bands if and only if we had a guarantee that the rest of our bands will never be altered again. What the hell, we sure aren't doing much with those bands as a hobby as a whole. The US government is more aware about VHF and higher frequency use than you think. The NTIA periodically conducts wideband recording of ALL RF emitters from VHF and up in many urban centers. You can see such reports with full information on equipment, maps of coverage, etc. at the NTIA website. So-called line-of-sight bands aren't going to sound the same as HF ham bands due to different propagation effects. For example, you could not be expected to hear anything of the Condor Net in Michigan despite the Condor Net operating over three western states (CA-NV-AZ). The Condor Net began in 1978 and is still running with 14 stations in three states, all done under private ownership with free access to any licensed amateur with 220 equipment having PL/CTCSS tone capability. A quarter century of service, all done voluntarily, says to me that there sure as hell is something going on in the bands above 30 MHz. LHA |
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "William H. O'Hara, III" wrote in message .61... Kim, I don't think that you mentioned the only practical use for CW, today. In an emergency operation one can use CW almost as a cipher. If Newsreporters, whom possess "investigative skills", were to attempt their intercepts by a scanner, then they would simply have no comprehension. With all due respect, William (or is it Bill), seems that deliberately coding/encrypting on the amateur bands is contrary to the R&R, if ya know what I mean. And, it also seems to me that any reporter with really good investigative skills would be well aware of your scenario, above. Now Ive heard everything. CW is now a method of encryption. Oh good grief. That is a first. I never thought Id live so long as to see so much idiocy about the Morse Code. Unbelievable Dan/W4NTI Dan, you really should stop being so reactionary. Perhaps you'll re-read the comment "In an emergency operation one can use CW almost as a cipher." Then, perhaps you'll look at my response in a different light. I was remarking on the fact that William (Bill) was promoting the idea that CW is/can be used as a cipher. That would not be legal in any way, and promoting the idea of CW as being a way to "cipher" information is quite misleading, don't you think? Sheesh, take some time off... Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to Yes you are right. Cypher/Incrypting is used to hide the intelligence in the communication. Morse Code is not that. Morse Code is used to transmit plain text (English in this example) which can be 'decoded' by a real ham anywhere on this planet. Of course I understand his initial meaning. That the general public and MOST ham operators cant copy Morse Code. So it would be equivilant to incryption. Dan/W4NTI Thank you. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... Kim W5TIT wrote: Actually, the good test for good manners and courtesy and respect on the air, is the acid test. Every person I have witnessed being in the class the majority calls an "idiot" operator, has soon disappeared from the FM side of ham radio. They get tired of "being encouraged" to talk right, operate right, etc., or they get tired of being ignored. Guess where some have disappeared to? Here? - Mike KB3EIA - HF. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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Len Over 21 wrote:
COMSEC or COMmunications SECurity is the current buzzword (of the last decade or so) and refers to any means of encryption in military communications. The last decade or so? I can confirm that the military used the term at least as far back as 1968. It appears in DOS material dating back at least forty years. COMSEC refers not only to "any means of encryption" but the equipment used for carrying out the secure communications. Dave K8MN |
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"Len Over 21" wrote:
I've never heard the term "OPSEC" in the 1950s while on active duty or any time as a civilian from the 1960s on through the end of the 1980s while visiting different military branch installations. (snip) I guess it depends on the MOS or where you were working. Where I worked, we had mandatory "OPSEC" classes (in Germany in the early 70's), covering need-to-know procedures, document and material control, and so on. We had to attend these classes every six months or so to keep our security clearance valid. (snip) COMSEC or COMmunications SECurity is the current buzzword (of the last decade or so) and refers to any means of encryption in military communications. You were in military communications, right? If so, surely you were around a COM-SHACK or COM-CENTER. By the mid-60's, I think every radio room in the military (certainly in the Army) was called "COM" something. Out of that came many acronyms with "COM" in it, including COMSEC. When I went through training in 1970, I had a binder with "COMSEC" stamped on it (contained basic security procedures). Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:56:47 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: One ham on rrap has suggested that he would not only use Morse/CW but that he would send the characters so atrociously that it could not be read by a computer code reader so that the NCTs couldn't know what he was saying. You have DICK to thank for that. Ive been know to do that in some situations. I.E. When the returning station is sending perfect cw and cant copy a thing I sent to him. Must be on a reader and a keyboard. I just screw up the character spacing, or go to a bug. Works every time. Dan/W4NTI I imagine it does "work" provided that your intention is to render your transmission unintelligible to the receiving station. What I don't understand is why anyone would want to deliberately do that. Has ARRL or someone recently started handing out a new award that I haven't heard of - for QSOs *not* in the logbooks? 73 DE John, KC2HMZ |
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Been awhile since this was posted, but you'll recall that I had to cut my session short on that day in order to participate in a public service event...so time now to catch up: On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:02:12 -0500, "Kim W5TIT" wrote: Yeah, I remember when I first discovered there was "newsgroups" and then found this one. I thought to myself, "Self, this is great. Meet more hams and have great ham discussions." NOT. Pretty much the first exposure I had to anyone on the newsgroup was Larry Roll, with his obsession about my callsign...blah, blah, blah. I was here when you first began to post here. I was off doing non-internet related activities for about two years. Upon getting back on the internet and checking the then-current postings to this NG, the very first thread my newsreader downloaded contained a post where Larry was making some of his usual comments about your call. I think what surprised me was not that he was making the comments, but rather that you were still in here putting up with it. I'd have either killfiled him long ago, or just quit reading this NG. Then I learned that many of this newsgroup's participants can't have any kind of discussion without pulliing some kind of ego trip up out of their pants. Heh...Let's just say that, for reasons that I won't bother to explain here, I try not to pull things out of my pants in public. The long and short is that this newsgroup became a way for me to take the day's frustrations out and pretend that my targets were this boss, or that boss, or this co-worker or that co-worker...heh heh I never harbored any illusions that my participation in this NG would relieve any frustrations. In fact, it often adds to them. Fortunately, my job isn't very stressful, so I can read some of the drivel that gets posted in here without blowing up on people the way I might have done a few years back. Nevertheless, you have an interesting concept there. I can't help but wonder about the person you imagine Larry being - given the friction between you two in here, it's rather surprising that a real-world version of him within range of you in real life hasn't been shot, stabbed, strangled, and buried in armadillo dung by now, with you holdfing the gun, knife, piano wire, and shovel. But then, you just posted in another thread that you don't believe in killing, so... I think the public service aspect is one of the greatest things about ham radio...although I'm not much involved any more. Around here, one spends more time dealing with political garbage than getting any real constructive stuff done. I wasn't in it just for the sake of getting out there and being in the middle of storms--I also wanted to see this area become really great and one to be looked up to. My involvement in the emergency/public service aspect of the ARS is basically twofold. On the one hand, the club I belong to has had a longstanding relationship with the emergency management department in the city where our club meetings happen to be held - although we serve a much wider area than just that one suburban city - and I'm currently co-coordinator of that club's emergency/public service communications team. The emergency management EOC doubles as a club station during contests, which we treat as drills in that it gives us a chance to get our people, particularly the newer ops, into the EOC for some valuable hours using the same equipment they would be using if they were helping to staff the EOC during an activation. Our last activation for emergency purposes was a severe ice storm in February 2002 (with attendant power outages, shelters set up for folks whose homes were without power, etc.). We not only handled our own responsibilities within the city, but were also able to help out the county ARES in getting some comms up their chain of command as well (a task made easier by the fact that we had an assistant director of emergency management from the county in the EOC with us, serving as the liason between the city and the county). We also did some damage assessment on the power grid in addition to our normal duties. On the other hand, I'm also a member of the county ARES/RACES in the county where I currently reside (which borders the one in which the city our club serves is located), and thus also enjoy the status of being a volunteer disaster assistant in that county's disaster preparedness office, a part of the county emergency services department. I'm not in a leadership role in that organization, but of course have been called out on activations with them as well. If we have a storm that gets us activated, it tends to be severe winter weather, not the kind of thing you want to be outside in. Suffice to say, we're within spitting distance of Buffalo, New York. It gets pretty nasty up here during the winter sometimes...to the point of causing deaths of people who can't get inside for whatever reason. I'm dedicated to this aspect of the ARS, but I'm not really anxious to get myself killed while doing it! You folks down there, on the other hand, can get more tornadoes in a month than we'll see in ten years. We get downbursts, we get wall clouds, but we don't usually see tornadoes (waterspouts, yes, but not many funnel clouds over land). I guess I'd prefer to deal with what we get here. I can take care of cold, wind, and snow by dressing appropriately...but when a tornado comes along, it doesn't matter much what you have on. Thank you. Not used to someone being able to read between the lines here...LOL It's a very useful communications skill. Maybe we should have a test for it in the ARS? Know what? It's Tuesday and I'm still tired... I work Thursday thru Monday. Tuesdays are my Saturdays. That means on Monday when everybody else is grumbling about how much they hate Mondays, I'm generally in TGIF mode. It also means I'm generally more tired on Monday than any other day of the week. So, been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, spilled coffee on the t-shirt. :-) 73 DE John, KC2HMZ |
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