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Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: Actually, the good test for good manners and courtesy and respect on the air, is the acid test. Every person I have witnessed being in the class the majority calls an "idiot" operator, has soon disappeared from the FM side of ham radio. They get tired of "being encouraged" to talk right, operate right, etc., or they get tired of being ignored. Guess where some have disappeared to? Here? - Mike KB3EIA - HF. That was a joke, Kim. 8^) - mike KB3EIA - |
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Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote: Larry posted that, I didn't - however, I have not disputed that CW is a useful communications skill. Any communications skill is useful in a communications hobby, and any technical skill is useful in a technical hobby. For me to claim otherwise would be illogical. What I am disputing is the notion put forth by K3LT that one needs to have acquired CW proficiency in order to form an opinion as to whether one wishes to pursue that aspect of the hobby or not...an assertion which I find equally illogical. But you need CW skills in order to feel superior, at least Larry thinks so. |
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ...
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... Now Ive heard everything. CW is now a method of encryption. Oh good grief. That is a first. I never thought Id live so long as to see so much idiocy about the Morse Code. Unbelievable Dan/W4NTI Dan, its not a first, its a second. One ham on rrap has suggested that he would not only use Morse/CW but that he would send the characters so atrociously that it could not be read by a computer code reader so that the NCTs couldn't know what he was saying. You have DICK to thank for that. Ive been know to do that in some situations. I.E. When the returning station is sending perfect cw and cant copy a thing I sent to him. Must be on a reader and a keyboard. I just screw up the character spacing, or go to a bug. Works every time. Dan/W4NTI Now there's something to be proud of. Instead of sending worse code, why not try sending better code so that the reader can copy it? I guess we can count on you to go the wrong way whenever there's a tuff decision to be made. |
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"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message
... Been awhile since this was posted, but you'll recall that I had to cut my session short on that day in order to participate in a public service event...so time now to catch up: On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:02:12 -0500, "Kim W5TIT" wrote: Yeah, I remember when I first discovered there was "newsgroups" and then found this one. I thought to myself, "Self, this is great. Meet more hams and have great ham discussions." NOT. Pretty much the first exposure I had to anyone on the newsgroup was Larry Roll, with his obsession about my callsign...blah, blah, blah. I was here when you first began to post here. I was off doing non-internet related activities for about two years. Upon getting back on the internet and checking the then-current postings to this NG, the very first thread my newsreader downloaded contained a post where Larry was making some of his usual comments about your call. I think what surprised me was not that he was making the comments, but rather that you were still in here putting up with it. I'd have either killfiled him long ago, or just quit reading this NG. Oh goodness! Actually, I was "off" for a while. I ran completely out of time to get back here to the office to do any "newsgrouping." But, I'm building a database and program right now, so I'm on the computer and in the office nearly every night...and will be for a while! Larry would have to be having an impact for me to desire leaving because of him; anyone else for that matter. I have a honed skill, that took a long time and a terrible first marriage to perfect: I can completely turn off to someone I deem unworthy of my time and/or emotion. Larry is one of those people. Dick Carroll is another. There's a few others... Then I learned that many of this newsgroup's participants can't have any kind of discussion without pulliing some kind of ego trip up out of their pants. Heh...Let's just say that, for reasons that I won't bother to explain here, I try not to pull things out of my pants in public. I suppose I'll thank you in advance for that; however, it would be great conversation for quite some time! The long and short is that this newsgroup became a way for me to take the day's frustrations out and pretend that my targets were this boss, or that boss, or this co-worker or that co-worker...heh heh [SNIP] Nevertheless, you have an interesting concept there. I can't help but wonder about the person you imagine Larry being - given the friction between you two in here, it's rather surprising that a real-world version of him within range of you in real life hasn't been shot, stabbed, strangled, and buried in armadillo dung by now, with you holdfing the gun, knife, piano wire, and shovel. But then, you just posted in another thread that you don't believe in killing, so... Oh, goodness! There's no one even remotely close to Larry's demeanor--at work or otherwise--in my life. Good grief, that would be like going to Hell, wouldn't it? Naw, what I meant is that I just approach this newsgroup with no expectations and much like a good round of any computer or video shoot 'em up game! I think the public service aspect is one of the greatest things about ham radio...although I'm not much involved any more. Around here, one spends more time dealing with political garbage than getting any real constructive stuff done. I wasn't in it just for the sake of getting out there and being in the middle of storms--I also wanted to see this area become really great and one to be looked up to. My involvement in the emergency/public service aspect of the ARS is basically twofold. On the one hand, the club I belong to has had a longstanding relationship with the emergency management department in the city where our club meetings happen to be held - although we serve a much wider area than just that one suburban city - and I'm currently co-coordinator of that club's emergency/public service communications team. The emergency management EOC doubles as a club station during contests, which we treat as drills in that it gives us a chance to get our people, particularly the newer ops, into the EOC for some valuable hours using the same equipment they would be using if they were helping to staff the EOC during an activation. I am hoping that more and more realization will come to be, that amateur radio--all radio services really--have a great potential for our served agencies! Our last activation for emergency purposes was a severe ice storm in February 2002 (with attendant power outages, shelters set up for folks whose homes were without power, etc.). We not only handled our own responsibilities within the city, but were also able to help out the county ARES in getting some comms up their chain of command as well (a task made easier by the fact that we had an assistant director of emergency management from the county in the EOC with us, serving as the liason between the city and the county). We also did some damage assessment on the power grid in addition to our normal duties. I haven't been involved in any amateur radio for about a year now. In fact, my usual entourage of radio equipment is in the shed, not in the truck. I had to have some work done on my truck, which meant I had to take out my Comm Shelf (custom built by my darlin' hubby) and then sick, then surgery, then recovery, one thing after another. I haven't had the gumption to get it all back in there. On the other hand, I'm also a member of the county ARES/RACES in the county where I currently reside (which borders the one in which the city our club serves is located), and thus also enjoy the status of being a volunteer disaster assistant in that county's disaster preparedness office, a part of the county emergency services department. I'm not in a leadership role in that organization, but of course have been called out on activations with them as well. I had the pleasure to be a part of the ARRL ARECC Courses, both as student and mentor. I was also, for a very short time, Hunt County ARES EC here in Texas. Plus lots of other dabbling in groups here and there. Leadership is not as cool as just plain getting out there and doing it! I'll still go out after a storm--regardless of radio equipment--and chase it around for a while. [SNIP] You folks down there, on the other hand, can get more tornadoes in a month than we'll see in ten years. We get downbursts, we get wall clouds, but we don't usually see tornadoes (waterspouts, yes, but not many funnel clouds over land). I guess I'd prefer to deal with what we get here. I can take care of cold, wind, and snow by dressing appropriately...but when a tornado comes along, it doesn't matter much what you have on. The past couple of years have been challenging, if you've seen the news. However, prior years saw a lot of "good" (it's always difficult to call bad weather good) activity, in terms of severe storms, up in OK and Kansas, off "thataway." Thank you. Not used to someone being able to read between the lines here...LOL It's a very useful communications skill. Maybe we should have a test for it in the ARS? More of it's done that many realize...LOL Know what? It's Tuesday and I'm still tired... I work Thursday thru Monday. Tuesdays are my Saturdays. That means on Monday when everybody else is grumbling about how much they hate Mondays, I'm generally in TGIF mode. It also means I'm generally more tired on Monday than any other day of the week. So, been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, spilled coffee on the t-shirt. :-) 73 DE John, KC2HMZ Kim W5TIT, on a Tuesday again--coincidentally PS--Notice how serious discussions go pretty ignored? --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... Kim W5TIT wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: Actually, the good test for good manners and courtesy and respect on the air, is the acid test. Every person I have witnessed being in the class the majority calls an "idiot" operator, has soon disappeared from the FM side of ham radio. They get tired of "being encouraged" to talk right, operate right, etc., or they get tired of being ignored. Guess where some have disappeared to? Here? - Mike KB3EIA - HF. That was a joke, Kim. 8^) - mike KB3EIA - I know, Mike! I originally had that as "HF...and here" with a grinny. But, I didn't want to lose the impact...ya know? Because, really, they disappear to HF. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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In article , Larry Roll
K3LT wrote: Now that it seems as though code testing will finally be abolished in the ARS, let's amuse ourselves with a bit of speculation as to what this will mean in terms of future growth in the numbers of licensed amateur radio operators in the United States. What do you think will happen? How much growth do you think will occur, and how fast? I predict that there will be no significant growth in new licensees. Now, all we need to do is define the term "significant growth." We currently have around 600-some kilohams in the US. I'd call a five percent growth factor, or 30,000 newly-licensed radio amateurs, to be significant. Let's give this a year to happen. I say it won't. How say you? Keep in mind that at this stage of the discussion, I'm just trying to establish reasonable parameters -- so let's all weigh in and try to arrive at a consensus as to what any future growth could be. Then we can commit to our numbers and see who gets it right -- or at least close. 73 de Larry, K3LT Larry, We presently had had an average of .05% growth per year since the new licensing regs took effect in 2000. at those rates we might see 6% growth in the decade. This is about 80% LESS growth than we have seen in the last two decades. Other than possibly a one or two year mini spurt in growth I do not see it sustaining. Lowering the code requirement to 5 WPM did virtually nothing not increase year to year growth, why would one believe that eliminating it would? There is a least one person posting some astounding numbers based on the FCC database on the QRZ.com forums which purport to show that 97% of no code techs are dropping out after the term of the license expires. Of course there is only about 6 months of FCC data being used as a baseline due to the grace periods. Perhaps the no code requirement for HF (if adopted by the FCC) will keep more of the technician class in the ARS than the numbers predict. 73 George K3UD (ex W3GEO) |
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "William H. O'Hara, III" wrote in message .61... Kim, I don't think that you mentioned the only practical use for CW, today. In an emergency operation one can use CW almost as a cipher. If Newsreporters, whom possess "investigative skills", were to attempt their intercepts by a scanner, then they would simply have no comprehension. With all due respect, William (or is it Bill), seems that deliberately coding/encrypting on the amateur bands is contrary to the R&R, if ya know what I mean. And, it also seems to me that any reporter with really good investigative skills would be well aware of your scenario, above. Now Ive heard everything. CW is now a method of encryption. Oh good grief. That is a first. I never thought Id live so long as to see so much idiocy about the Morse Code. Unbelievable Dan/W4NTI Dan, you really should stop being so reactionary. Perhaps you'll re-read the comment "In an emergency operation one can use CW almost as a cipher." Then, perhaps you'll look at my response in a different light. I was remarking on the fact that William (Bill) was promoting the idea that CW is/can be used as a cipher. That would not be legal in any way, Bzzt! Wrong...use of CW with recognized character set is never illegal. If you believe otherwise, please post the appropriate Part 97 rule. It matters not what the intent might be (i.e. to shield certain information from media reporters)...as long as conventional character set is used, it ain't illegal. and promoting the idea of CW as being a way to "cipher" information is quite misleading, don't you think? Personally I could care less. No different than if two hams are having a QSO in another language than English because they know few reporters or others that might be listening can't understand it. Sheesh, take some time off... Looking forward to doing exactly that :-) :-) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ...
I would have to agree with that statement in its basic form. I would also add and feel pretty safe in saying that some of those people that were required to learn the code, some may have learned it as a requirement for the license set forth and might care for it, and some might have turned out loving it like yourself. See below. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. .. --. .... - . .-. ... I think I'm pretty safe in saying that it was the code testing requirement that caused hams to learn the code -- not any innate love or appreciation for the mode. I don't particularly agree with any of this. While learning Morse certainly was a requirement for getting a license back when I got into the game it was also quite obvious that what mattered far more than any issues surrounding the code tests were the innate characteristics of ham Morse as they relate to the raw effectiveness of the mode vs. any other modes. Bang for the buck on gear per watt per lousy antenna per parts count per potential number of DXCC countries countries confirmed. In other words FCC test requirements completely aside I learned Morse because it's the best tool on the shelf for what I wanted out of ham radio going into the hobby a half century ago. In the following half century stuffed with massive technological upheavals and advances the stuff is *still* the best tool on my shelf, NOTHING has changed. Again, the tests completely aside. I don't "love" Morse, that's a ridiculous concept. I don't go ga-ga over any of the rest of my tools either. Screwdrivers is screwdrivers and Morse is just another one. 73 de Larry, K3LT w3rv |
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