Actually, the reply was specifically directed at Len.

And I was replying to it anyway.

Oh, you're FREIND "leo" made this comment-

"For the most part, it's an intelligent and good natured
animal - but you do have to watch out for the pricks.... "

on the same day he accused NCTA members of insults
and personal attacks.

If he's ever going to be a good debater, you may as well
also coach him on the side about how to do it
in a good and civilized manner, and not incriminate himself
by making an accusation and then turning around and
commiting that very same offense himself.

Clint
KB5ZHT

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:09:57 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:


"Leo" wrote in message
.. .
Clint, me amigo, me compadre....



You have the right to remain silent, too - why not invoke that one for
a change?

Leo



I knew your real inner character and feelings would come out if
you kept talking enough, and you JUST did.

No, I will not shut up simply because I have factually destroyed
your position and then continued further to expose YOU for WHO
you are and WHAT you do.

Leo the unbiased objective reader, who attacks NCTA members
for using character attacks, said THIS on september 25, referring
to *certain members* of this NG...

"For the most part, it's an intelligent and good natured
animal - but you do have to watch out for the pricks.... "

I will NOT ask you to shut up... or, how did you put it? invoke
my right to remain silent? (funny, I didn't know I had violated the
law and needed to invoke my rights)... on the contrary, I ask
you to KEEP talking and continue revealing yourself for
what and who you are. You just haven't learned.

Clint
KB5ZHT

I find Leo's posts to be quite humorous, cogent, and factual. He runs
circles around you and Len. That's why you can offer nothing of substance
in return.

Arnie -
KT4ST


And how is it he's debating us when he also claims that he's not on
one side OR the other of the issue of CW testing?? HMMM???????

Just HOW is it he has managed to find a way to eat his cake and have
it too when the rest of humanity in thousands of years have not been
able to solve that age old paradox? HMMM?????

And, as far as "cogent and factual", is that before or after he made
a reference to us being pricks?

Clint
KB5ZHT

I never named anyone as the porcupine's - uh - quills. I assumed that
you know who you are, and, well.....apparently, I was correct.

Kindly do not include Arnie in that category by referring to 'us' when
you speak to him about it, though - ....he sure ain't one!

Why must I take a side in the code debate? Or does your ISP carry
this group as rec.radio.amateur.morsecode?

It's a policy group. For amateur radio. All policies. Not just the
one you like! It's a big world out there, 'lil feller.....

Pray for a clue, please - it would be a service to the entire Amateur
community. Pray to Saint Anderson, the Patron Saint of Lids...before
its too late....

That was humour too, Clint. You can go to bed now.

73, Leo

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:12:24 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:


I find Leo's posts to be quite humorous, cogent, and factual. He runs
circles around you and Len. That's why you can offer nothing of substance
in return.

Arnie -
KT4ST


And how is it he's debating us when he also claims that he's not on
one side OR the other of the issue of CW testing?? HMMM???????

Just HOW is it he has managed to find a way to eat his cake and have
it too when the rest of humanity in thousands of years have not been
able to solve that age old paradox? HMMM?????

And, as far as "cogent and factual", is that before or after he made
a reference to us being pricks?

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" wrote ...

And how is it he's debating us when he also claims that he's not on one
side OR the other of the issue of CW testing?? HMMM??????? Just HOW is it
he has managed to find a way to eat his cake and have it too when the rest
of humanity in thousands of years have not been able to solve that age old
paradox? HMMM????? And, as far as "cogent and factual", is that before or
after he made a reference to us being pricks?
__________________________________________________ ________________

No, actually he is successfully debating your posting style (or lack
thereof) As to the other comment, I read it as a reference to having a pet
porcupine. Are you a porcupine, Clint?

Arnie -
KT4ST

"Leo" wrote in message
...
I never named anyone as the porcupine's - uh - quills. I assumed that
you know who you are, and, well.....apparently, I was correct.

and, like your buddy arnie who set you up as a plant in this newsgroup
in the FIRST place, I now thank YOU for admitting your hypocrisy
the way HE did when he admitted to calling people jerks shortly
after accusing the same people of "name calling".

You guys make it so easy.
No WONDER your losing the morse code test debate; the
FCC is a real government entitiy in the real world and you
won't get anywhere with them by name calling and insulting
them.

Clint
KB5ZHT

No, actually he is successfully debating your posting style (or lack
thereof) As to the other comment, I read it as a reference to having a
pet
porcupine. Are you a porcupine, Clint?

Arnie -
KT4ST


bzzzzzt, nice try.

There is no debate on my posting style. Debates include at least two
opposing sides to an issue who are argueing thier points to try to
get an unbiased third party observing to accept thier reasoning.
The debating here that sparked him being planted as an unbiased
third party that nobody is accepting is over cw testing.

And don't think anybody buys the porcupine anology; he already
admitted to having done it as an insult, but tried the explain it
away as humor. You're too late to save him on that one. You
guys may have prearranged this ordeal of his but you haven't
done a good-follow through on coaching one another on
what you're going to say before you post.

Clint

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Leo wrote:
Sir, after reading the endless reams of drivel that you have produced
in this newsgroup of late, I believe that you are correct - brevity
is the soul of wit.....


You might also add for him that the only thing worse than being witty
is not being witty! ;^)

"Your Majesty is like a jelly donut with creme on the top"

"WHAT?!?!"

"Your arrival brings us pleasure, and your departure leaves us hungry for
more!"

"Ah - very witty!"

- Monty Python

73 de Jim, N2EY

Clint wrote:

And, as far as "cogent and factual", is that before or after he made
a reference to us being pricks?

Was that before or after you made reference to us as N***S?

- Mike KB3EIA =

But, Alter Kocker, the points that I make are lucid and cogent.
Something that you seem incapable of achieving.

Unkike the drivel and vitriol that you contunally post. And, if you
cannot attack someone personally, you are impotent. Out of ammo.
Powerless. Where is it written that only comments from people that you
can find in QRZ or in a phone book are valid? A Vue Shtet
Geschreiber, Len?

You are not a Ham. Your opinions don't matter here. Game over. And,
who is to say that you are who you say you are? And would you be any
more real than the disembodied voice of idiocy in the newsgroup that
you are right now? Not likely. Who knows? Who cares.

As Descartes said, "I think, therefore I am". (You won't find him on
QRZ either :0 ) In this newsgroup, I'm as real as you are. Anytime
you wish, you can find me here. And, if you wish to attempt an
intelligent discussion some day, look no further.

And in honour of your fondness of Yiddish, I leave you with this wish:

Er Zol Vaksen Vi a Tsibeleh, Mit Dem Kop in Drerd.

And soon.

30, Leo









On 26 Sep 2003 18:29:57 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes:

I find Leo's posts to be quite humorous, cogent, and factual. He runs
circles around you and Len. That's why you can offer nothing of substance
in return.

Arnie -
KT4ST

And how is it he's debating us when he also claims that he's not on
one side OR the other of the issue of CW testing?? HMMM???????

Just HOW is it he has managed to find a way to eat his cake and have
it too when the rest of humanity in thousands of years have not been
able to solve that age old paradox? HMMM?????

And, as far as "cogent and factual", is that before or after he made
a reference to us being pricks?

Arnie is defending his Ego Turf, Clint.

It's a fairly standard way he does it. Just another PCTA who can't get
along with NCTAs who do NOT worship his mighty macho morsemanship.

This "Leo" doesn't really exist as any sort of Man.

He (or she) has no real interest in any subjects. "Leo" is just playing
with people in a unique form of sociopathy brought out by the Internet's
anonymity. It's a juvenile form of harrassment but gives this person
much glee for getting away with it. By choosing the PCTA side, "Leo"
gets support and encouragement from the PCTA regulars in here.

"Leo" is only involved with bashing personalities. "Leo" doesn't care
about any debate, discussion, or argument on any subject. He or she
just likes to hide in anonymity of the Internet and work out his or her
frustrations of daily whatevers by bashing anyone he or she picks.

"Leo" feels secure in the Internet anonymity. He or she must get some
feeling of "power" by remaining unidentifiable, to be able to hit on
anyone. It isn't reasonable discourse on subjects. It is just a perverse
form of aggression, of getting back at anyone without being physically
hurt. It is that person's little fantasy world at work in the mind.

What is ugly about that sort of psychological perverseness is that it
reflects badly on the lofty, noble principles that ARRL keeps saying
about amateur radio. It is rule by a mild form of terrorism, of the very
"thugs" he (or she) complains "others" are doing.

"Leo" tries to project "power" with the inference that anyone disagreeing
with his writings will be subject to harrassment, humiliation, or constant
barrage of denigration. He (or she) is "powerful" yet without any power
except to drive everyone away in disgust or extreme irritation.

What I find mildly curious is that the PCTA regulars are all "on his side."
The PCTA like that for they are frustrated at the turn of events of recent
history that is against their particular cause. What the PCTA regulars
don't realize is that the syndrome of this "Leo" can just as easily turn
against Them if they do not condone his or her statements. :-)