In article , "Clint"
rattlehead@computronDOTnet writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

The FCC does NOT use the term "ham" in Part 97. That's the LAW.

interesting topic spin-off, but I once researched where the term "ham" came
from... the only thing I could find was that it was simply a *******ization
of the term "amateur"

Heh heh. We will now expect that ARRL supporters to jump and reference
the "official" source of "ham." For once the ARRL is close to the truth.
:-)

Etymologically speaking, American English was already using "ham" as a
poor substitute for beef at the turn of the century before last. In show
biz
the term "ham actor" referred to a showy, not-very-good entertainer who
was more interested in presenting themselves than the stageplay.

The progression from "amateur" to "ham" was a natural for American
English speakers (a "*******ization of the word amateur" as you say).
According to the ARRL "official" source of all things amateur in the USA,
the word "ham" was used by professional radiotelegraphers as a not-nice
term for the non-professional radio amateurs way back in the beginning of
radio time.

"Real hams" do NOT like the word "amateur" at all applying to them. Some
want to be considered of "professional caliber" and constantly shoot off at
professionals in radio. They are shooting blanks of course, and their
caliber is about BB size.

So, we've got a bunch of these "professional amateurs" who want to be
"better" than real professionals because they think they are so damn
good. No doubt they are very skilled at morsemanship and have been
tossing out money for decades in building their "station," but very few are
REAL professionals in the sense that they accept money for amateur
services rendered (illegal, of course, a sort of "financial bootlegging").

ARRL is "professional amateurism" in an organized sense and with an IRS-
reported taxable income of $12 million or so a few years ago.

REAL hams are "superior" or something. They keep saying that outright if
not implying it constantly. I'm not sure what their "superiority" really is
other than marketing certain kinds of plant growth nutrient surrogates. :-)

Amateur radio remains a HOBBY, a recreational activity that requires
government regulation due to the physics of radio waves. Apparently new
folks aren't supposed to enjoy it or have fun in it unless they bow and
scrape to their "superiors" in ham radio. Rank, title, status, privilege
are
all "necessary" in the hobby of these "superiors." :-)

When questioned on their actual enjoyment of the hobby (to them it is a
"service" of a higher calling), they answer that they enjoy it "more" just
because they are "superior." :-)

LHA

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Clint wrote:

IF morse (i.e. radiotelegraphy) had any basis as a foundation
for higher learning of radio concepts, principles or theory
then it would be a requirement of engineering students...which
it has never been to my knowledge anywhere.

And that's where your argument falls flat on its face. The point is
operational, on the air *communications *. It's called OPERATING.

snip
you just employed the "diversion" tactic. he was totally correct; if
the basic fundamentals of radio, which you have been totally parroting
until now, required it, then it would be a necissary requirement for
all basic electrical engineering, and it is not.

It's the BASICS, Bill.

As YOU see it.
Why aren't new hams required to show they now how to forge/smelt
copper wire, produce polyethelene insulation, make aluminum out
of scratch for antennas, etc., if BASICS were the name of
everything?


Clint your ignorance is showing again. Ham radio isn't about engineering,
its about operating ham radio. Sure, one CAN use engineering if one
wishes, and someone surely had to do some engineering to produce the gear
we all use. But if Bill's comment holds any water at all then the tests
would have been becoming harder instead of becominig giveaways.

Ham radio isn't about metalurgy pr plastics technology, Clint, it's about
OPERATING . But you amd Bill already knew that, it's jsut your NCI/CB
attitudes showing through, again.

CB radio is all about OPERATING, senior.

No morsemanship needed in CB radio...


you're mad because YOU had to do it.

Tattoo is just mad. He can't get many to pop-to and salute his mighty
macho morsemanship skills which were very useful in the 1930s.

Poor guy. :-)

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Yep, in a nutshell. When the gubmn't said, "Jump!" DICK replied, "How
High?"

Now he feels foolish.

You and Clint are the pair in a nutshell with no clue as to how to get out.
You ARE foolish. Your past history proves it.

Just how high DID you jump, senior?

LHA

So high that he's still bouncing off the walls. Good thing they're padded.

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article , Dick Carroll
writes:


What's to "promote," senior?

I like how you picked up on his condescending use of the age reference...

I remember on the local VHF frequencies once I got in an argument on the
air about (guess what???) cw testing... and the fellow I was arguing with
(oviously several years my elder) tried to belittle and detract from the
factual approach of my argument by referring to me as "young man"....
you know, "let me tell you what, YOUNG MAN, ...... etc etc..."

so I had the PERFECT come back. I told him "okay, we'll end the
debate right here; you are judging the accuracy of the debate and,
thus, who wins, solely on who's older, not who's more correct. I'll
go find my friend [not included here for discreetness], who just
celebrated his 82'nd birthday; i'll let him talk on my behalf and just
feed him the lines to say, and since he's OLDER than YOU, that
means i'm automatically right, even if he, vicariously through me,
claims the moon is made out of green cheese, right?"

as I recall, not too much was said after that.

it's so easy.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" wrote in part ...

I remember on the local VHF frequencies once I got in an argument on the
air about (guess what???) cw testing... and the fellow I was arguing with
(oviously several years my elder) tried to belittle and detract from the
factual approach of my argument by referring to me as "young man".... you
know, "let me tell you what, YOUNG MAN, ...... etc etc..."

so I had the PERFECT come back. I told him "okay, we'll end the debate right
here; you are judging the accuracy of the debate and, thus, who wins, solely
on who's older, not who's more correct. I'll go find my friend [not included
here for discreetness], who just celebrated his 82'nd birthday; i'll let him
talk on my behalf and just feed him the lines to say, and since he's OLDER
than YOU, that means i'm automatically right, even if he, vicariously
through me, claims the moon is made out of green cheese, right?" as I
recall, not too much was said after that. it's so easy.
__________________________________________________ _________________

Gee, Clint -- I'm impressed. You sure did show that "old" guy a thing or
two. Without knowing him, I'll wager that he has forgotten more about Ham
radio than you and I will ever learn. Good going, sport. Why don't you
just alienate all the elmers out there while your at it?

Arnie -
KT4ST

Why don't you
just alienate all the elmers out there while your at it?



I don't see a problem in that, if they are going to be
so condescending as to treat young people as though
it's not possible for them to know anything simply
because they haven't lived for 233 years.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" wrote ...

I don't see a problem in that, if they are going to be so condescending as
to treat young people as though it's not possible for them to know anything
simply because they haven't lived for 233 years.
__________________________________________________ _________________

I'm not surprised by your answer at all, Clint. Someone calls you "son" and
you get all bent out of shape and have to 'show them a thing or two'. The
only problem -- you will have missed out on a plethora of knowledge because
of that attitude. Too bad, really.

Arnie -
KT4ST

"shephed" wrote


If you are a retarded mouth breeding NCI member, then never mind, it's a Ham
Radio thing. You would not understand.


Hey, gutless anonymous twit, I have several "First Place ARRL CW
Sweepstakes" certificates with my name on them, I don't breed with my
mouth, and I'm a member of NCI.

Damn, doncha just hate it when somebody spoils your troll?

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
--
SOC # 291
FISTS # 7419
NCI # 4304

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Then when the retired head of the Amateur and Citizen's Division of the FCC
states in his comments to the NCVAEC petition, the writing of which he was a
party, that it simply is an oxymoron that an Extra Class ham should
be allowed to *not* be proficient in Morse when he is considered an expert at
ham radio, you might take that as some sort of a clue to thinking in high
places...

Oh, my, an "authority" on CW!

About as much "authority" as your SINGLE example of GMDSS never, ever
going to work in maritime distress and safety!

Why don't you work with the FCC to make the Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Service an alternate reality?

LHA

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Clint wrote:

Has anyone come up with that WOW argument that will justify
the need for morse testing? So far, nothing new has been
offered by PCTAs at all.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK




well, no..... all the arguments being given to keep the code testing
are easily broken down into thier base, most center-core reason...

"I HAD TO DO IT, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE TO!!!!!"

And that just falls flat on its face.

Clint yoiu'e been reading way too much NCI propaganda for far too long.
So long in fact that YOU have fell flat on your face, or maybe the other
end.

Poor baby. Can't admit that so few like your favorite radio mode?

Seems like everyone is daft except those that believe in your fantasies.

I am capable of passing any sort of radio traffic by way of
radiotelgraphy, which I learned as a requirement of my licensure as a
ham radio operator.

You are also quite capable of passing gas. We can smell it in here.

There is no reason for you to be exempted from the same.

IF YOU HAD TO DO IT, SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!

We all knew that, DICK.

LHA