Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: Robert Casey
Date: 5/25/2004 7:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."


Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

Lennie the Lame refuses to admit that Amateur licensees have had Morse
Code free access to the SSB mode for 13 years now.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

There are SSB subbands on 6 and 2 meter bands. And that requires only a
code free
tech license.

He knows it, Robert.

He's just an antagonist. He has absolutely nothing left to offer, so
being argumenitive and idiotic are his methods of expression.

Sure MARS is not ham radio, but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Yes, they are. And without the contibutions of those licensed Amateur
Radio operators, there'd be no MARS program today...At least not in it's
present form.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Obviously, the "physical rehab" wasn't complete. A DD-214 is NOT an
honorable discharge...it is just a Release from active duty.

Yep. And when I was released, I was given one.

Which was it, a DD-214 or an "honorable discharge?"

I'll get another one in September of this year.

When did you "re-enlist?"

One service period = one discharge. Not two.

Sorry, Lennie.

Things changed since you were in uniform. Not in YOUR mind, of course,
but the rest of the world moved on.

And September of 2004 will be 30 years since I first went on Active Duty.
That's when you are eligible for full retirement. Up until then you are in the
"Fleet Marine Reserve"

You can have a discharge any time you want. Some folks call
that "physical abuse."

The last "discharge" I had was 25 years ago, and kinda looked like you do
now.

A shot of Penicillin took care of it, though.

If you're gonna presume to demonstrate knowledge of administrative
proceeses of the Armed Forces, Lennie, ya need to spend some more time
learning about them. Then you can plagerize those sites too.

Apparently there's a gross lack of your understanding of military
procedure. For example, the Department of Defense (they are in
charge of ALL U.S. militaries) issued a Directive describing and
establishing MARS.

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Nursie, get some mental therapy. You need it.

Uh huh...right.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 1:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mama Dee is silent, apparently out disciplining other children.

Please remind us about all the off-spring YOU have raised, Lennie?

You really don't want to go there, little man.

Sure, Lennie.

YOU have suggested that you know something about child growth and
development, and have suggested that there should be an age limit placed upon
Amatuer Radio licensure based upon the supposed lack of maturity and
responsibility of same.

That would presume that either (1) you have a degree in a health care or
mental health discipline that would prepare you educationally to make such a
suggestion, or (2) you raised to maturity an offspring or several offspring
that allowed you to make an informed opinion.

You have no degree in ANY healthcare discipline that I am aware of.

You refuse to acknowledge any parenting experience.

Ergo you have ventured into yet another realm of human endeavor for which
you have no knowledge or experience from which to make said suggestion.

It should be obvious to you but you can't see it...

In as much as all I can see at this moment is the screen upon which these
words appear, you'd be correct.

If you suggest that I draw some conclusion from your silence, well, that's
already done.

What a cast of characters to convince anyone of "enjoying the
magic of having one's very own radio station by learning morris
goad in order to talk legally via SSB."

Hot Flash, Hot Rod...

It's not required to learn Morse Code to use SSB.

I know that...in military and commercial radio. I used SSB voice
the first time in 1954 communicating with Hawaii from Tokyo.

I did much the same late last year talking from a moored
sailboat in a California marina.

Both times and all times in between WITHOUT needing an
amateur radio license!

But, without passing a manual telegraphy test, it is NOT LEGAL
to do that on U.S. amateur bands below 30 MHz.

"...below 30 MHz." is NOT what you said in the first post.

You insinuated that it was necessary to know Morse Code to use SSB.

SSB is used all throughout the VHF and UHF ranges by Amateurs.

Your exploits in 1954 are irrelevent, both to discusssions about Morse
Code examinations and the use of SSB by licensed Amateurs.

Hasn't been for 13 years.

You really CANNOT read Part 97 with any comprehension, can
you?

What part of Part 97 stumps you? Let us know and maybe one of
us can help you out...

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

Get some mental help...

Lennie, YOU are the idiot that keeps jumping from trying to make some
analogy between your Army radio clerk days in the 1950's and the present day
Amateur Radio examination requirements, then jump to trying to tell me what the
MARS program is all about.

Seems to me YOU are the one in need of help.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/26/2004 7:20 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Robert Casey wrote in message
...

but are not most MARS operators also
ham radio licensees? Hams that have been authorized by the military to
operate on MARS radio systems using military owned stations for military
traffic?

Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

I am sure in your weak, irratic PuppetBoy mind this was supposed to "mean"
something, but it got lost between your (dubiously labeled) brain and your
fingers.

What an idiot.

Robert asks you a question about Amateurs operating on military
frequencies for military purposes and YOU respond with some assinine statement
about "most municipal radio operators" wearing police uniforms.

That in ITSELF is completely foolish since police departments are only a
fractional part of most municipal payrolls. There's the Fire Department, EMS,
Department of Sanitation, the utilities departments, roads and highways,
etc...all of whom hav SOME sort of radio service that they use.

Remember, Brain, YOU are the one who set the "precedent" that if there is
even ONE example to the contrary, you have been proven WRONG.

Now...HOW did you go from discussing operating on military frequencies to
"municipal radio operators"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

But only to those capable of rational thought. Fantasy fliers with
too much P-51 time in their frequency flyer program aren't capable
of rational thought.

P-51's are great, but not my idea of a "fantasy flight".

REAL private pilots are acquainted with the term "P-51 time." That's
a nastyphrase of those private pilots who LIE in their log-books
by writing in more time than they really have...using a Parker 51
pen.

Well, in as much as I know what would happen to me if it was determined
that I had falsified my logbook, I've never made an entry that wasn't preceeded
by an actual flight or logable training with a CFI or CGI.

And I've been a licensed pilot for thirty YEARS this August, and I have
NEVER heard the term "P-51 time" in any other term than that used by people who
actually logged time in a North American P-51.

Guess that's the difference between us, Lennie...You hang out with liars
and cheats.

I don't.

Perhaps that's why you find it easy to BE a liar and find it equally hard
to understand why others don't accept your conduct.

If you were a REAL private pilot you would know such things.

Uh huh. You're welcome to review the FAA data base.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So far he's not been able to produce even ONE trophy photo from Somalia.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his "seven hostile actions."

I had better things to do, Lennie.

Nursie hasn't produced even ONE photo of his described duty with
the 3rd Marine Division.

I've never described any duty with 3rdMARDIV. I was never a part of
3rdMARDIV. Never said I was.

Please get things right if you're going to TRY and "embarrass" me, Lennie.

Nursie couldn't find the appropriate Directive or service branch
Regulations of the Military Affliliate Radio System in order to back
up his assertion about "MARS is amateur radio."

No "directive" was needed.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

But, I'm not going to do so on command of some lying insulter
who can't offer ONE shred of "proof" he actually did some of the
lies he states.

I've already given you the "shred" you need, Lennie...

Sufficient information to verify my service record with VA...

Did it right here in THIS forum.

Now who's "lying", Scumbag?

Those who live constantly in Fantasyland cannot be rational.

You're right...and you DO have a California address, so I guess you
CAN'T
be "rational".

You really ARE an UGLY little person...mentally hateful and
frustrated...resorting to insulting the entirety of the most populous
state of the Union.

It's not an insult if it's true. Let's see...California has Charlie
Manson, is home to the Crips and Bloods, has the largest (by far) percentage of
drug abusers and is known as the worlds first drive-by shooting range. More
cities in CA have smog and other pollution control issues than almost anywhere
else in the United States, and typically has a tax burden on it's citizens that
chokes any "lifestyle" benefits out of them.

And then there's you. California has you.

You are mentally SICK. No "training" or "credentials" needed to
show that.

No, Lennie...I am just very adept at proving what a liar and idiot you've
become in your waning years.

That you don't like having your dirty laundry aired so frequently is YOUR
fault for hanging it out there.

But, you ARE an Amateur Extra, the very model of what manual
telegraphy and too much RF exposure can produce.

If that's your best shot, Lennie, you've failed again.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/25/2004 6:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (William)
Date: 5/25/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

From "work" I was cleared to do AFTER I completed the USMC
required
physical rehab after I was retired out.

UNQUOTE

"...required physical rehab..."

Was that on your "DD-214" form along with "honorable discharge?"

So, you couldn't stay IN the murines on duty and still receive
this "rehab?"

Might could have. But I didn't.

Lots and lots of military personnel spend time IN rehab and
return to duty, continuing on with their military careers.

Sure they do. And many do not.

But you could NOT.

"Did" not...Not "could not".

That strikes a discordant note...very much like you fabricated
the whole "accident-rehab-honorable-discharge" thing.

Maybe because the MEDICAL discharge was NOT for some
kind of "accident" during duty.

For one thing, a DD-214 form is simply a release from active
duty. It is NOT a "discharge" paper.

There you go presuming to be qualified in military administrative matters
again, Lennie.

Now, do ya need it in any other language, or is your cranial-rectal
inversion quota filled for the day...?!?!

Try Yiddish, putz-man.

Yes, you are a putz, man...Thanks for reminding me.

You think that bluff and bombast is going to snow all us readers of
the newsgroup? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

"Snow" who?

There one who's "seriously deluded" here Lennie is you.

You seem to think that we can't see through you. You try to hide behind
YOUR false bravado, even being bullying and profane, but we, especially I,
don't accept it.

You are a liar. Documented and archived.

You continue to be an antagonist with no defensible argument.

Oh well....Sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

By the way, there's no indication of "SSB subbands" in the real
official regulations from the government. "Phone" is phone, meaning
the same as voice.

Ooooops.

Another example of no practical experience in Amateur Radio.

The FCC has VERY clearly stated that "gentleman's agreements" and
compliance with them IS "good Amateur practice". Persons who have violated
these band plans have been censured and fined by the FCC even though the "sub
bands" they may ahve violated were not exactly specified by the FCC.

Please refer to just about any current day training text and you will see
that there ARE areas set aside for SSB communications in the VHF and above
spectrum.

That you don't considerthem "valid" since they are not specifically
delineated in Part 97 is irrelevent. Those 670,000+ licensed Amateurs DO
consider them valid.

Back to sleep, Your Putziness.

Steve, K4YZ

Most municipal radio operators wear a police uniform.

And some wear firefighter outfits.




But they are not hams using ham radio licenses and ham radio frequencies.

Cell phone users are not using ham radio either.

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

By the way, there's no indication of "SSB subbands" in the real
official regulations from the government. "Phone" is phone, meaning
the same as voice.

Ooooops.

Another example of no practical experience in Amateur Radio.

The FCC has VERY clearly stated that "gentleman's agreements" and
compliance with them IS "good Amateur practice". Persons who have violated
these band plans have been censured and fined by the FCC even though the "sub
bands" they may ahve violated were not exactly specified by the FCC.

Look in volume 5 of the 1 October 2003 edition of Title 47 C.F.R. on
page 640, the table accompanying 97.307.

Does it state "gentlemen's agreements" there? No, it says "Emission
Types Authorized." Look at the 19 bands above 30 MHz. Does "SSB"
appear anywhere? No? :-)

Gosh, I guess nursie always right but FCC wrong!

How about that? :-)

Please refer to just about any current day training text and you will see
that there ARE areas set aside for SSB communications in the VHF and above
spectrum.

Okay, we'll just put you down in saying "current day training texts"
authorize amateur radio and the FCC does not.

So, does MARS exist because of "current day training texts?"

That you don't considerthem "valid" since they are not specifically
delineated in Part 97 is irrelevent. Those 670,000+ licensed Amateurs DO
consider them valid.

You did a poll of everyone?

[you missed about 50K or so licensed radio amateurs...]

The "M" in MARS = MILITARY

The "A" in MARS = AFFILIATE

DoD defines MARS.

FCC does not define MARS.

MARS is NOT amateur radio.

LHA / WMD