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May 14th 04, 02:41 AM
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Subject: Morse and Contests
From: (William) Date: 5/13/2004 6:15 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Morse and Contests From: (William) Date: 5/11/2004 9:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... personal assault snipped You've made assertions about things you've allegedly done in Amateur Radio that you subsequently refuse to substantiate them with ANY form of proof. I've done them, yet I owe you no proof. You SAY you've done them. OK. Both. I did them, and I say I did them. But you never proved it. It's never been documented. You can't provide ONE iota of proof in an avocation where documentation is important and ritual in such matters. Most people are intesely proud of having done what you claim and at LEAST have pictures of their "events". So far you've not provided ANYthing. Ergo, until said proof is manifest, as far as I am concerned, you're lying. You've had more than ample opportunity to ante up, but all you do is make silly sandlot excuses. You're a coward. I say I've operated from Okinawa Japan. I can provide copies of old logs, and I bet if I wrote to 15th Air Force I could get a copy of my old authorization. I can also pony up a couple folks who were there when I did it. I'm not even interested. Of course you're not. You don't like it when someone can PROVE they did what YOU only claim. YOU say you operated from Somalia. You haven't supplied the callsign of ONE contact you made...Haven't provided a copy of ANY authorization from that operation, and can't even give us the name of your commander that allegedly gave you the permission. I don't need to. I owe you no proof. I never said you "owe" me anything. But you "owe" it to yourself to prove the assertions YOU made. I say you've had more than ample opportunity to prove what you've said. You haven't. All you've doen is dodge it. That makes me believe you are a liar. That's just the way it is. Yep. That IS just the way it is. Brian Burke is a liar. Get over it. Ain't me that's lying. Nothing to "get over". Lots more personal attacks deleted. They aren't "personal attacks" if they're true. So far you've not done or said anything to prove otherwise. Steve, K4YZ |
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May 14th 04, 08:37 PM
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Subject: Morse and Contests
From: (William) Date: 5/14/2004 7:32 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... They aren't "personal attacks" if they're true. So far you've not done or said anything to prove otherwise. Steve, K4YZ Now you've called me a coward and a liar. They are personal attacks regardless of whether they're true or not, and they're not true. Until proven otherwise, they are. SO far you are both. You're just not a nice person. I guess you consider me "not a nice person" because I don't tolerate your mistruths and flights of fantasy. Oh well. You'll excuse me if I don't lose any sleep over what a liar and a coward thinks of me. Anyway, I know what I've done and that's enough for me. I think you REALLy meant that what you THINK you've done is enough for you. I don't need a certificate on the wall to document my operations in foreign lands, and as far as documention goes, even the FCC no longer requires us to keep a log book. So much for you wanting me to do this just for me. Get real, its for you. IF you operated from Somalia, you didn't do it legally. IF you operted from Somalia, you still ahve yet to prove it. IF you were telling the truth about it you could have at least provided the callsigns of a few folks you chatted with. I remember the calls of some folks I "worked" from 1981 from Okinawa. What's YOUR problem? Your continued insistance that I provide documention to you just isn't going to happen. You can get over it by getting over it. It's no skin off my nose, Brain...I am not the one who made far-out claims that even a (pardon the pun) rank amateur in DXing could have avoided. No Proof = Didn't happen. So how 'bout them MARS regulations? Can you back up your statement, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". " As long as the two are inter-dependent on each other, Brain, it's true. As of today. it's true. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Amateur Radio-like conversations conducted by licensed Amateurs who happen to be MARS members still, as I type this, occur on MARS allocations. Best of Luck. For what? Steve, K4YZ |
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May 16th 04, 04:43 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Morse and Contests From: (William) Date: 5/14/2004 7:32 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... They aren't "personal attacks" if they're true. So far you've not done or said anything to prove otherwise. Steve, K4YZ Now you've called me a coward and a liar. They are personal attacks regardless of whether they're true or not, and they're not true. Until proven otherwise, they are. SO far you are both. Hmmm? I wonder what you would call a person who presumes guilt until proven innocent? America fought a war to get rid of people who think that way. You're just not a nice person. I guess you consider me "not a nice person" because I don't tolerate your mistruths and flights of fantasy. Oh well. You'll excuse me if I don't lose any sleep over what a liar and a coward thinks of me. Anyway, I know what I've done and that's enough for me. I think you REALLy meant that what you THINK you've done is enough for you. I don't need a certificate on the wall to document my operations in foreign lands, and as far as documention goes, even the FCC no longer requires us to keep a log book. So much for you wanting me to do this just for me. Get real, its for you. IF you operated from Somalia, you didn't do it legally. IF you operted from Somalia, you still ahve yet to prove it. IF you were telling the truth about it you could have at least provided the callsigns of a few folks you chatted with. I remember the calls of some folks I "worked" from 1981 from Okinawa. What's YOUR problem? I don't have a problem. I've told you before that I'm good with what I did, and don't need your approval. Never did, and never will. Sucks, huh? Your continued insistance that I provide documention to you just isn't going to happen. You can get over it by getting over it. It's no skin off my nose, Brain...I am not the one who made far-out claims that even a (pardon the pun) rank amateur in DXing could have avoided. Dave Heil is a rank amateur? I don't think so. But like you, even he didn't know that a military commander can approve amateur operation in a foreign country without a government until I pointed it out to him. And you see a commander behind every butter bar. I guess that's how marines are trained. You really shouldn't bring up such embarassing accusations. You look a fool, and here you go dragging Dave into this again. BTW, Dave and I get along just fine as long as we don't communicate with each other. You might try the same tactic, but then you wouldn't have anyone to talk to. And do try to keep from sending to me personal e-mails. No Proof = Didn't happen. So how 'bout them MARS regulations? Can you back up your statement, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". " As long as the two are inter-dependent on each other, Brain, it's true. True? Show that it's true. Post the regulation volume and paragraph number. Unless there is no regulation that state's, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". " without the "Sorry, Han's" part, of course. As of today. it's true. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Amateur Radio-like conversations conducted by licensed Amateurs who happen to be MARS members still, as I type this, occur on MARS allocations. I listened to a Canadian amateur the other day. Sounded just like an American. But I don't make the claim that "America = Canada," based upon that observation, do I? That would be a stupid statement, and I would be foolish for making it. You are free to make such stupid statements, however. And I am free to point out just how stupid they are and how foolish you are for making them. Don't like it? The fix is easy and easily within your control (and you do like control, don't you?). 1. Stop saying stupid stuff. 2. If you goof and say something stupid anyway, and I point it out to you, just acknowledge that it was a stupid thing to say. Best of Luck. For what? Steve, K4YZ For digging yourself out of yet another untenable position. Best of Luck. BTW, how was Dayton? Camping WX was lousy. |
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#5
May 16th 04, 10:54 PM
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(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Now you've called me a coward and a liar. They are personal attacks regardless of whether they're true or not, and they're not true. Until proven otherwise, they are. SO far you are both. Hmmm? I wonder what you would call a person who presumes guilt until proven innocent? America fought a war to get rid of people who think that way. What guilt, Brain? You've made assertions of fact then not backed them up. I call a person like that a liar. You've had months and months to prove it otherwise, yet you won't. If you don't like the black eye you're getting, then either admit you were making it up, or pony up some evidence to the contrary. Your continued insistance that I provide documention to you just isn't going to happen. You can get over it by getting over it. It's no skin off my nose, Brain...I am not the one who made far-out claims that even a (pardon the pun) rank amateur in DXing could have avoided. Dave Heil is a rank amateur? I don't think so. But like you, even he didn't know that a military commander can approve amateur operation in a foreign country without a government until I pointed it out to him. And you see a commander behind every butter bar. I guess that's how marines are trained. You really shouldn't bring up such embarassing accusations. You look a fool, and here you go dragging Dave into this again. And as of yet, you haven't even provided the name of that "commander". Furthermore, you wee under the auspices of the United Nations. They ahd jurisdiction, not your LT or CPT. As for your "commander behind every butter bar", you really need to wake up, Brain. No such assertion was ever made. BTW, Dave and I get along just fine as long as we don't communicate with each other. You might try the same tactic, but then you wouldn't have anyone to talk to. And do try to keep from sending to me personal e-mails. I am sure there are a LOT of people who enjoy not talking to you, Brain...No doubt out of frustration from trying to have an INFORMED discussion with you. You wear ignorance and arrogance like a badge of honor. I just don't get that. No Proof = Didn't happen. So how 'bout them MARS regulations? Can you back up your statement, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". " As long as the two are inter-dependent on each other, Brain, it's true. True? Show that it's true. Post the regulation volume and paragraph number. Unless there is no regulation that state's, " Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio". " without the "Sorry, Han's" part, of course. Don't need to, Brain. It's a fact. No Amateur Radio = No MARS.......Just like I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that an abrupt application of force to the face will hurt. As of today. it's true. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Amateur Radio-like conversations conducted by licensed Amateurs who happen to be MARS members still, as I type this, occur on MARS allocations. I listened to a Canadian amateur the other day. Sounded just like an American. But I don't make the claim that "America = Canada," based upon that observation, do I? That would be a stupid statement, and I would be foolish for making it. Sure it would be stupid. But then it's not what we are talking about, now is it? You are free to make such stupid statements, however. And I am free to point out just how stupid they are and how foolish you are for making them. That you disagree with how I worded it is fair game. That the context is still valid isn't. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Don't like it? The fix is easy and easily within your control (and you do like control, don't you?). 1. Stop saying stupid stuff. When I say something stupid, I will keep that in mind. 2. If you goof and say something stupid anyway, and I point it out to you, just acknowledge that it was a stupid thing to say. If I say something stupid and you point it out, I will acknowledge it. WHEN it happens, Brain...It hasn't yet. Best of Luck. For what? Steve, K4YZ For digging yourself out of yet another untenable position. What "untenable position"...?!?! No Amateur Radio = No MARS. It's a fact. Best of Luck. BTW, how was Dayton? Camping WX was lousy. Wouldn't know...Today (May 16th) was the fifth anniversary of my daughter's passing, and my wife insisted I stay close to home. But no matter where I go, there she is...She may ahve left my arms, but she'll never leave my heart. Steve, K4YZ |
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May 17th 04, 02:15 AM
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#7
May 17th 04, 12:03 PM
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Subject: Morse and Contests
From: (William) Date: 5/16/2004 8:15 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message .com... Wouldn't know...Today (May 16th) was the fifth anniversary of my daughter's passing, and my wife insisted I stay close to home. But no matter where I go, there she is...She may ahve left my arms, but she'll never leave my heart. Steve, K4YZ Steve, I am sorry. Maybe one day they'll move the dates of the Hamvention again. Thanks, Brian. For me, anyway, it really would have been better to go. I needed to be away for a bit, but hey...can't always have everything the way we want it, eh...??? At least I can look forward to Huntsville...If anyone is within a "relatively" reasonable drive time of Huntsville, AL, and has never been to this one, they should try to. It's the second or third weekend of August, and is always a lot of fun. The "flea market" is indoors, but there's lots-and-lots of it. All the usual forums and a very reasonable showing of vendors and organizations. All-in-all it's a very well conducted regional hamfest. (Computers are there, but in an ancilliary role!) 73 & thanks again... Steve, K4YZ |
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