I have no idea what you're saying there, Todd.

Packet can be ran on both VHF, UHF, and HF




Who decides how much time each system gets? If systems have to wait for
the frequency to be quiet, the existing systems could experience
"interference" if they can't get a byte in edgewise.

If you know anything about Packet...Packet runs on a "time-shifting" system.
A tnc will listen on the frequency and transmit when the frequency isn't
being used. This is called time-shifting.

This guy and his
little group were nothing more then assholes.

Well, that's *your* opinion...

It's not my opinion it a fact.



Sure - but 1200 lives on as the most popular, right?

1200 baud is popular so is 300 baud on HF. look THC's can go the higher
speeds; there are TNC's out there that can do 14.4K and 56kb. The problem
isn't the TNC's; the problems is the radio. Radio's can not key up fast
enough that has always been the main problem with high speed packet.
The
problem with packet here was the user frequency was being over ran by
BBS's
automatic fowarding and that's what drove off all the users. 1200
baud would
work if the network was set up right.

You mean, set up the way you'd like.

It still seems to me that what you wanted was for the existing system
to see it your way, rather than creating a new system.

NO, Look I know the guy who ran and owned the majority of nodes here in
Illinois. He shut the system down because The BBS operators wouldn't move
their fowarding to the backbone system. Instead they were running it on the
Users frequency. (in Illinois there was only ONE USER FREQUENCY) So the BBS
were fowarding the vast majority of the time and it drove people out of
packet here in Illinois and they guy who owned the majority of the network
got ****ed off about it and shut it down.SO NOW THERE IS NO PACKET IN
ILLINOIS!


You note that you look for a free space to transmit in. So
what?
K1MAN
doesn't. He opens up on whoever is on the frequency and
threatens
those
who don't move. How many more "free speech advocates" will
decide
that
anyone on "their frequency" is an infringement on their
free
speech?

Information Bulletins are legal no matter what you or anyone
believes.

If the bulletins meet the specific criteria I outlined in
another
post,
they're legal.

The problem is however, that there are amateur radio operators
who
feel that
information bulletins which deal with amateur radio issues
shouldn't
be
opinionated and it is those same amateurs operators when the
bulletin
is
transmitting then begin jamming the Information bulletin because
they
feel
the transmission is illegal.

Jamming is an enforcement issue.

Interference which K1MAN is doing is not legal.

Agreed!

I wonder if wattage limits are an infringement on a persons
free
speech? Limiting it limits the number of people who can be
reached.

Suggestion that Lib net members use an alternative method
of
getting
their views out is not infringement of their free speech,
it is
a
suggestion. And not a bad one at that. No one is forcing
them
off
the air, just suggesting a better venue for their views.

The FCC shouldn't even suggest it.

Yes, they should, if they see the content and behavior as
detrimental
to the ARS. Which they do.

Again the FCC is barred from controlling
the content of any station.

That's simply not true.

yes and no Under Section 326 of the Communication Act the FCC is
barred to
control the content of any station.

I'll ask again: What exact verbiage says that?

Well here's the rule read it for yourself
(47 USC 326)
§ 326. Censorship
Nothing in this chapter shall be understood or construed to give the
Commission the power of censorship over the radio communications or
signals
transmitted by any radio station, and no regulation or condition
shall be
promulgated or fixed by the Commission which shall interfere with the
right
of free speech by means of radio communication.

OK, fine.

Now you have to define "free speech" and "censorship". Obviously the
FCC's and Supreme's definitions aren't the same as yours.


the only content the FCC is allowed to
control is obscene and indecent material and that's it.

How about commercial content on the ham bands?

How about using radio to help with the commission of crimes?

Are those things allowed under 326?

Those are under other rules and regulation.

Thank you for proving my point! The content and other restrictions of
amateur radio are under other rules and regulations.

The only REAL content amateurs have that is restricted is Obscene and
Indecent material and Commerical type messages.

Again if they can have alternative perhaps ALL
amateurs should move off the radio spectrum and uses the
alternative....the Internet.

For certain subjects, that's the right medium.

Death of Amateur Radio? Perhaps you have a bigger part than
you
realize........

Interesting!

In fact, we're starting to see what may be the "death of the
internet"
- or at least the death of its potential. Viruses, popups,
identity
theft and other shenanigans are causing many people I know to
become
disenchanted with it.

I really dout the internet will die.

Me too. But I see its potential dying.

As a matter of fact Internet 2 is now
out (well right now only some Universities (206 to be exact) and
government
agencies have it...it will probably be commercialized in about
two to
three
years.). Internet 2 will have a lot more applications and
downloading
will
be faster. (people will be able to download a full length movie
within
minutes instead of days) so I really dout the Internet will die
anytime
soon.

If "internet 2" catches on, it will replace the original.

If you want different content than what is found on current amateur
packet,
why not provide it yourself? Not in competition with the forsale
folks,
but
on a different frequency or even band. With much higher speed and
more
features?

Because the cost would be too much.

Then there's no way amateur radio can 'compete with the internet'. Nor
should it.

Then amateur's are doomed, Living with and uses outdated modes of
communication in a digital age aren't going to cut it because nobody will
want to go into a service that that's (useless Modes) is all their going to
get. Again Amateur's have to come up with something new to offer to get more
people into it.


There is no packet network around here
any more and the cost would be too high.

For whom?

The problem with any amateur network is that you're dependent upon
individuals or
small groups to put up stations that cost $$ but are mostly used by
others. So the
people who actually put the stations on the air want control over how
they are
used. Which is perfectly reasonable, isn't it?

Like I stated above the Packet network here in Illinois is gone there is no
Packet here in Illinois due to problem of BBS operators fowarding on the
user frequency.

A let's not forget some competition
in a service good be a good thing

If it costs too much, doesn't that mean the competition is lost?
K2ASP has described a system that is functioning *today* in his area.
Sounds pretty good. Betcha it didn't get built by people calling others
assholes.
What I was refering to when I'm talking about Competition is new idea's and
new modes of communication. I suggest you read my repond to him. As for that
*asshole* I was refering to wasn't even on packet. He was claiming
"Interference" to his station which was sitting 1.905MHZ away from the
packet frequency. Again he wasn't even on packet he was and is a ASSHOLE.
Todd N9OGL
73 de Jim, N2EY




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