bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for any
one
person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise,
depending
on
how you're defining "shift".

12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off)

8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off)

4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off)

Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and that
he
would be working both days.

There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil.

Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little
comment?

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't LIKE
it is one thing...

If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides, then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what
you "know"...

YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how many
shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it.

That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on the
amateur community, as I said.

I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian.

It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for
Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise.

Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of
those
formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is a
participating agency in this.

Steve, K4YZ

Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP
activities.

I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and
responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my
tail
intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury,
and
that's how I practice Nursing.

Your behavio[u]r here indicates otherwise.

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to
emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that
statement?

ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell
phones may or may not work in an emergency.

Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and
misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?!

----------
OK, below is the information that Phil provided.
----------

It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days.

I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there are
not
enough amateur volunteers.

Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location,
and
we
work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital voice
net,
county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators.

Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how many
times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a
two-day
ORI?
----------

You inform me that it is a four day exercise, or 96 hours. Assuming
12-hour shifts, that is 8 time slots.

Phil and 5 other volunteers are participating, and each "team" is
comprised of three volunteers. That makes two teams. Team A, and
Team
B.

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Night

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Night

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed)
Team B: Night

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed)
Team B: Night

Remember, the conditions are that there are only six (6) qualified
operators, so there is a deficit of volunteers unless they are
pulling
some 24 hour shifts. We don't know how few or many shifts the other
volunteers will pull.

Sorry, Steve, but thems the numbers. And I would guess that Phil's
group is quite active.

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other
claims.

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times. I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES, etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws.

Nice try, though.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for
any
one
person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise,
depending
on
how you're defining "shift".

12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off)

8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off)

4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off)

Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and
that
he
would be working both days.

There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on Phil.

Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little
comment?

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how
many
shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it.

That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on
the
amateur community, as I said.

I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian.

It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for
Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise.

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Brian...You CAN pull more than two shifts under ONE of
those
formats, couldn't you...??? I sure could, and will. CAP is
a
participating agency in this.

Steve, K4YZ

Do provide RRAP an after action report of your heroic CAP
activities.

I don't engage in heroics, Brian. By the book...safe and
responsible. That's how I got through my tour in the USMC with my
tail
intact, that's how I have spent 30+ years in CAP without injury,
and
that's how I practice Nursing.

Your behavio[u]r here indicates otherwise.

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond to
emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that
statement?

ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell
phones may or may not work in an emergency.

Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and
misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?!

No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are you
now starting a new lie?

----------
OK, below is the information that Phil provided.
----------

It's a two-day exercise, and I can make it both days.

I would guess that you have to pull two shifts because there
are
not
enough amateur volunteers.

Actually, we have six operators qualified for that location,
and
we
work in teams of three (county voice net, inter-hospital
voice
net,
county-wide packet net) so we'll have plenty of operators.

Now c'mon Phil. I used to write duty schedules, so I know how
many
times two teams of three fit into a calendar day. Is this a
two-day
ORI?
----------

You inform me that it is a four day exercise, or 96 hours.
Assuming
12-hour shifts, that is 8 time slots.

Phil and 5 other volunteers are participating, and each "team" is
comprised of three volunteers. That makes two teams. Team A, and
Team
B.

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Night

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Night

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed)
Team B: Night

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, team is short handed)
Team B: Night

Remember, the conditions are that there are only six (6) qualified
operators, so there is a deficit of volunteers unless they are
pulling
some 24 hour shifts. We don't know how few or many shifts the
other
volunteers will pull.

Sorry, Steve, but thems the numbers. And I would guess that Phil's
group is quite active.

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even
greater.

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times.
I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES,
etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are
24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior know
otherwise. Hi, hi!

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look
like???

Steve, K4YZ

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time for
any
one
person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise,
depending
on
how you're defining "shift".

12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off)

8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off)

4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off)

Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and
that
he
would be working both days.

There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on
Phil.

Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little
comment?

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

No, there wasn't.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

I'm not lying, Brian.

If I cannot trust the information that the participant provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to
what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are.

YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how
many
shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it.

That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest on
the
amateur community, as I said.

I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian.

It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary" for
Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise.

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Not from here. Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48
hour period that they are participating...

And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has failed
to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so.

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Nice stretch, Brian.

Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond
to
emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of that
statement?

ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like cell
phones may or may not work in an emergency.

Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and
misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?!

No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are you
now starting a new lie?

What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for word.
Not a period or comma was dropped.

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12 hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even
greater.

"Best case" for whom? Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of
a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each
volunteer only participates once in an exercise.

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times.
I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross, ARES,
etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are
24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior
know
otherwise. Hi, hi!

"Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian.

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods with
staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain, from
your "all hands on duty now" contention.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look
like???

Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but adequate.
Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the
supervisory skills to make it work.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

TOPOFF-3 will be four days. More than ample time
for
any
one
person to pull more than one "shift" during the exercise,
depending
on
how you're defining "shift".

12 hour shifts: Four (assuming 12 on / 12 off)

8 hour shifts: Six (assuming 8 on / 8 off)

4 hour shifts: Eight (assuming 4 on / 8 off)

Levy your "attack" on Phil. Phil said it was two days, and
that
he
would be working both days.

There was no attack. Either on you, nor especially on
Phil.

Then why did you find it necessary to snip your crappy little
comment?

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

No, there wasn't.

Yes, there was.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

I'm not lying, Brian.

Lie #10 this week?

If I cannot trust the information that the participant
provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as to
what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are.

You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many many
times previously.

YOU, however, were the one making the comments about how
many
shifts he was pulling-vs-qualified operators to do it.

That is no reflection on Phil. It is a reflection on the rest
on
the
amateur community, as I said.

I didn't say it was a reflection on Phil, Brian.

It's about your own insinuations of why it was "necessary"
for
Phil to pull more than one "shift" on this exercise.

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Not from here.

Did you fill them in?

Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48
hour period that they are participating...

Correction. Two teams of 3 people each.

And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has
failed
to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so.

I've showed one instance where one volunteer is overextended. Are you
the only overextended volunteer in the ARS?

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Nice stretch, Brian.

Not a stretch. When ATC fumbles a phonetic or pressure atlitude, do
you key the mic and keep repeating "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR?"

That's the Steve Robeson in RRAP. Introduce us to the Steve Robeson,
CAP Ace sometime.

Now...about your assertion that ARES can't/won't respond
to
emergencies...Are you going to provide some validation of
that
statement?

ARES will respond to emergencies as they are able, just like
cell
phones may or may not work in an emergency.

Then you are acknowledging that your statement was false and
misrepresentitive of ARES' ability to respond...?!?!

No, that isn't what I said. Are you merely a poor reader, or are
you
now starting a new lie?

What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for word.
Not a period or comma was dropped.

Lie #11?

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12
hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your
other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even
greater.

"Best case" for whom?

For covering all of the shifts.

Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of
a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each
volunteer only participates once in an exercise.

Phil acknowledged that he is participating twice. You acknowledged
that it is a 96 hour exercise. I provided a best case scenario where
only two 12 hour shifts in the four day period had a deficit of one
volunteer each. Thems the facts.

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all times.
I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross,
ARES,
etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC are
24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine warrior
know
otherwise. Hi, hi!

"Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian.

Support guys like you.

People who are not in operations, don't have to keep it going 24/7.

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods with
staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain, from
your "all hands on duty now" contention.

Hi! Hi, hi, hi!!!

Were you a reservist?

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for
straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts look
like???

Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but adequate.

Inadequate for the 96 hour period that you specified, and the "team of
3" requirement that Phil specified.

Them's the facts.

Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the
supervisory skills to make it work.

Steve, K4YZ

The supervisor fills in when there are a lack of personnel. But you
didn't see much of that in the USMC, didja, ya Day-Weanie Marine.

Look, it's a new week and I'm in a good mood. Just got back from a
great scout camping trip. Wx was perfect, invigorating hike, gourmet
chicken in a foil pack dinner last night, must not have snored too much
last night because my throat isn't sore.

Just admit to your lies, say you're sorry, and begin this week with a
fresh start. The truth will set you free.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12
hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your
other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even
greater.

"Best case" for whom?

For covering all of the shifts.

Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of
a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each
volunteer only participates once in an exercise.

Phil acknowledged that he is participating twice. You acknowledged
that it is a 96 hour exercise. I provided a best case scenario where
only two 12 hour shifts in the four day period had a deficit of one
volunteer each. Thems the facts.

....And you think they can work 8 hour shifts with better results. Hi,
hi!

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

No, there wasn't.

Yes, there was.

No, there wasn't.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU
don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

I'm not lying, Brian.

Lie #10 this week?

You haven't presented #1, Brian, so how could this be #10? You
and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English, you
for remedial math.

If I cannot trust the information that the participant
provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as
to
what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are.

You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many many
times previously.

Then why can't we get you to provide the cites? Where's the proof
of your assertions, Brian?

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Not from here.

Did you fill them in?

I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h
coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you?

Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48
hour period that they are participating...

Correction. Two teams of 3 people each.

Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian.

And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has
failed
to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so.

I've showed one instance where one volunteer is overextended. Are
you
the only overextended volunteer in the ARS?

I'm not overextended.

And my managerial skills are such that no one working for me is
either.

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in
the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Nice stretch, Brian.

Not a stretch. When ATC fumbles a phonetic or pressure atlitude, do
you key the mic and keep repeating "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR?"

They don't fumble.

That's the Steve Robeson in RRAP. Introduce us to the Steve Robeson,
CAP Ace sometime.

What's a "CAP Ace", Brian? The Civil Air Patrol doesn't have
"aces", and I never flew "combat air patrols" in the Armed Forces.

What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for word.
Not a period or comma was dropped.

Lie #11?

Where's #1?

And you have made the assumption that they are working 12
hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your
other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be even
greater.

"Best case" for whom?

For covering all of the shifts.

Uh huh.

Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of
a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each
volunteer only participates once in an exercise.

Phil acknowledged that he is participating twice. You acknowledged
that it is a 96 hour exercise. I provided a best case scenario where
only two 12 hour shifts in the four day period had a deficit of one
volunteer each. Thems the facts.

They are the "facts" only if all three team members are at the
station and on the air 100% of the time.

Anyone who ahs really done any of these knows that's NOT the
facts, Brian...Like you...

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all
times.
I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross,
ARES,
etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC
are
24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine
warrior
know
otherwise. Hi, hi!

"Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian.

Support guys like you.

People who are not in operations, don't have to keep it going 24/7.

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!

One more example of "Not A Clue Burke" hanging his bacon out to
dry!

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods
with
staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain, from
your "all hands on duty now" contention.

Hi! Hi, hi, hi!!!

Were you a reservist?

Nope. Active Duty.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for
straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts
look
like???

Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but adequate.

Inadequate for the 96 hour period that you specified, and the "team
of
3" requirement that Phil specified.

Them's the facts.

No, they're not.

Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the
supervisory skills to make it work.

Steve, K4YZ

The supervisor fills in when there are a lack of personnel. But you
didn't see much of that in the USMC, didja, ya Day-Weanie Marine.

"Day-Weanie Marine"...?!?! Really getting P/O'ed that you keep
getting your nose rubbed in your own inadequacies, aren't you?

Look, it's a new week and I'm in a good mood. Just got back from a
great scout camping trip. Wx was perfect, invigorating hike, gourmet
chicken in a foil pack dinner last night, must not have snored too
much
last night because my throat isn't sore.

Glad to hear you had a nice day.

Just admit to your lies, say you're sorry, and begin this week with a
fresh start. The truth will set you free.

Take your own advice, Brian.

Start off by TRYING to cite my alleged 11 lies. Then you can
provide us with some evidence to support your "ARES won't respond"
assertion. Then move on to your "unlicensed devices" issue. We're
still waiting for documentation of the legality of your Somalia
operation and some evidence of your claims of having worked the
equilvilent of DXCC from two or three other DX locations.

You're a chronic liar, Brian. It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

No, there wasn't.

Yes, there was.

No, there wasn't.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU
don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

I'm not lying, Brian.

Lie #10 this week?

You haven't presented #1,

Steve, do a search on "Robeson" and "liar." You've presented all of
your lies under your own signature.

Brian, so how could this be #10? You
and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English,
you
for remedial math.

There's nothing wrong with my math.

If I cannot trust the information that the participant
provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads as
to
what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are.

You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many many
times previously.

Then why can't we get you to provide the cites? Where's the
proof
of your assertions, Brian?

You lie. That's enough for me.

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Not from here.

Did you fill them in?

I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h
coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you?

Whoa!

After you posted "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you,
Brian?" you linked us to a website that showed that this was a four day
exercise. So why are you trying to make it into a two day exercise
again? More lies and misdirection?

And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift,
and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified
communicators...

Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48
hour period that they are participating...

Correction. Two teams of 3 people each.

Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian.

So show me your 96 hour schedule.

And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES has
failed
to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so.

I've showed one instance where one volunteer is overextended. Are
you
the only overextended volunteer in the ARS?

I'm not overextended.

And my managerial skills are such that no one working for me is
either.

You indicate otherwise. Do you work in a M-F, 8-5 Emergency Room?

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens in
the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Nice stretch, Brian.

Not a stretch. When ATC fumbles a phonetic or pressure atlitude,
do
you key the mic and keep repeating "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR?"

They don't fumble.

They do. Unless your experience is so limited that you've yet to see
it.

That's the Steve Robeson in RRAP. Introduce us to the Steve
Robeson,
CAP Ace sometime.

What's a "CAP Ace", Brian? The Civil Air Patrol doesn't have
"aces", and I never flew "combat air patrols" in the Armed Forces.

You never flew combat air patrols for anyone, but you've got flight
suits and medals...

What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for
word.
Not a period or comma was dropped.

Lie #11?

Where's #1?

10 back. Last week.

And you said that I had a math problem. Hi!

And you have made the assumption that they are working
12
hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate your
other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be
even
greater.

"Best case" for whom?

For covering all of the shifts.

Uh huh.

Remember the customer? The customer that is never, ever, ever denied?


You gotta cover all the shifts with the right number of qualified ops.

Best case ONLY to support YOUR contention of
a volunteer deficit IF and ONLY IF you assume that each
volunteer only participates once in an exercise.

Phil acknowledged that he is participating twice. You acknowledged
that it is a 96 hour exercise. I provided a best case scenario
where
only two 12 hour shifts in the four day period had a deficit of one
volunteer each. Thems the facts.

They are the "facts" only if all three team members are at the
station and on the air 100% of the time.

Anyone who ahs really done any of these knows that's NOT the
facts, Brian...Like you...

Three qualified operators per team. Them's the facts.

And Phil states they "work in teams of three".

He does not state that all three are "on duty" at all
times.
I've
never been on ANY mission or exercise, USMC, CAP, Red Cross,
ARES,
etc,
where ALL operators were "on duty" at one time.

So you were in the "Day Weanie" Marine Corps? Weather and ATC
are
24/7. So is Comms. But you, the mighty day weanie marine
warrior
know
otherwise. Hi, hi!

"Day Weanie"..?!?! You're stretching again, Brian.

Support guys like you.

People who are not in operations, don't have to keep it going 24/7.


BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!

One more example of "Not A Clue Burke" hanging his bacon out to
dry!

Explain. And you've yet to show where the customer is not shorted in
this 96hr scenario.

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods
with
staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain,
from
your "all hands on duty now" contention.

Hi! Hi, hi, hi!!!

Were you a reservist?

Nope. Active Duty.

You think like a day weanie.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for
straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts
look
like???

Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but
adequate.

Inadequate for the 96 hour period that you specified, and the "team
of
3" requirement that Phil specified.

Them's the facts.

No, they're not.

Then state all of the conditions. Then show how the customer is not
shorted.

Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the
supervisory skills to make it work.

Steve, K4YZ

The supervisor fills in when there are a lack of personnel. But
you
didn't see much of that in the USMC, didja, ya Day-Weanie Marine.

"Day-Weanie Marine"...?!?! Really getting P/O'ed that you keep
getting your nose rubbed in your own inadequacies, aren't you?

You're the only inedaquate equation in this. You have yet to show how
to cover the 96 hour exercise, with the available personnel, while
maintaining the required number of qualified operators per team.

Look, it's a new week and I'm in a good mood. Just got back from a
great scout camping trip. Wx was perfect, invigorating hike,
gourmet
chicken in a foil pack dinner last night, must not have snored too
much
last night because my throat isn't sore.

Glad to hear you had a nice day.

The best.

Just admit to your lies, say you're sorry, and begin this week with
a
fresh start. The truth will set you free.

Take your own advice, Brian.

I do. Every day. I start off by not lying.

Start off by TRYING to cite my alleged 11 lies. Then you can
provide us with some evidence to support your "ARES won't respond"
assertion.

You need to requote that.

Then move on to your "unlicensed devices" issue.

You need to requote that.

We're
still waiting for documentation of the legality of your Somalia
operation

Why? You are not in my Somalia log and you will not receive a QSL
card. You are not the Somalia minister of communications. You are not
the US Air Foce on site commander. You are not the United Nations.
You are not the ARRL.

and some evidence of your claims of having worked the
equilvilent of DXCC from two or three other DX locations.

You're a chronic liar, Brian. It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

You make claims, Steve. You do it often and loudly. But your claims
aren't worth spit because they are lies.

Now show me your Top-Off 96 hour duty schedule where all shifts are
covered with the proper number of qualified radio operators, and
without abusing the volunteers. You claim you could, so do it.

Best of Luck.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Because there was no "crappy little comment", Brian.

It was.

No, there wasn't.

Yes, there was.

No, there wasn't.

"Always at a deficit for information, aren't you, Brian?"

That's not "crappy", Brian...It's the truth. That YOU
don't
LIKE
it is one thing...

You don't like being called a liar. So stop lying.

I'm not lying, Brian.

Lie #10 this week?

You haven't presented #1,

Steve, do a search on "Robeson" and "liar." You've presented all of
your lies under your own signature.

Vaporware, Brian. Vaporware.

You claim there are lies. I've been asking you to substantiate
the claim. You have not. You furhter exacerbate your own situation by
making even MORE assertions without corroborating facts. Oh well.


Brian, so how could this be #10? You
and Todd need to see if you can carpool...Him for remedial English,
you
for remedial math.

There's nothing wrong with my math.

Sure there is. In that line you claim there's "10" lies. You've
yet to substantiate "1".

You can't raise a building without a foundation. And you can't
get to "10" without having started at "1".

If I cannot trust the information that the participant
provides,
then
what can I trust?

Yeah...I guess when RRAP is the ONLY place you get
your
"information" from, then you're pretty much at loggerheads
as
to
what
you "know"...

I know you're a liar.

You SAY I'm a liar, but I've PROVED that you are.

You've proven your self to be a liar this past week, and many
many
times previously.

Then why can't we get you to provide the cites? Where's the
proof
of your assertions, Brian?

You lie. That's enough for me.

You say I've lied.

I've repeatedly asked you to substantiate that claim.

You never have.

That would put the onus of liar upon you, Brian. (Not that it
ever LEFT you...)

Sorry.

Looks like there are some empty spots in the schedule.

Not from here.

Did you fill them in?

I can fill those scehdules with 6 people for 48 hours of 24h
coverage, Brian...Why couldn't you?

Whoa!

After you posted "Always at a deficit for information, aren't you,
Brian?" you linked us to a website that showed that this was a four
day
exercise. So why are you trying to make it into a two day exercise
again? More lies and misdirection?

Nope....I can still fill even a 96 hour assignment with six
operators for four days.

YOU keep saying only two. That's even better.

And without working any one or several individual(s) a double shift,
and maintaining the requirement of three person shifts of qualified
communicators...

No all communicators need to be at the mic for the whole 24hours.

Especially if they have 6 people to cover a 48
hour period that they are participating...

Correction. Two teams of 3 people each.

Two teams...Six people...Yeah...SIX is what I said, Brian.

So show me your 96 hour schedule.

Day one. Team one. Operator 1A comes on duty at 0600 until 1600.
Operator 1B comes on duty at 1000 until 2000.
Operator 1C comes on at 2000 and maintains
watch until 0600

Day Two, Team two. Operator 2A comes on duty at 0600 until 1600

Etc etc etc, with team one on again on day three, and team two on
again for day four. Six people of two teams covering 96 hours. Hours
least likely to have heavy traffic flows were covered with minimal
staffing. The bulk of the day had two operators at the mic with the
third available if needed.

100% coverage of the required hours. Two teams of three operators
each.

Done.

And you STILL have not shown me ONE instance where ARES
has
failed
to respond to ANY incident when asked to do so.

I've showed one instance where one volunteer is overextended.
Are
you
the only overextended volunteer in the ARS?

I'm not overextended.

And my managerial skills are such that no one working for me is
either.

You indicate otherwise. Do you work in a M-F, 8-5 Emergency Room?

And if I do? It still does not mean that you can't cover a 96
hour exercise with only six people.

My behaviour here has nothing to do with what happens
in
the
cockpit of an aircraft, Brian.

Then you admit to having multiple personalities?

Nice stretch, Brian.

Not a stretch. When ATC fumbles a phonetic or pressure atlitude,
do
you key the mic and keep repeating "LIAR, LIAR, LIAR?"

They don't fumble.

They do. Unless your experience is so limited that you've yet to see
it.

My experience is from 1974 when I was first licensed as an
aviator. I've flown everywhere in the United States except North
Central, Alaska and Hawaii. I have never once had an ATC error.

An ATC controller in Memphis in particular saved my bacon from an
uncontrolled, pop-up target, on January 21st, 1975. Split second,
no-BS, "do this now" instructions saved me and two other Marines from a
guy in a Skymaster who had just taken off from an uncontrolled field
and could not see me since he was climbing into the sun and coming up
from behind me.

I have NO complaints with the ATC system!

That's the Steve Robeson in RRAP. Introduce us to the Steve
Robeson,
CAP Ace sometime.

What's a "CAP Ace", Brian? The Civil Air Patrol doesn't have
"aces", and I never flew "combat air patrols" in the Armed Forces.

You never flew combat air patrols for anyone, but you've got flight
suits and medals...

Yes I do. The flight suit is PPE...Personal Protective Equipment
as defined by OSHA.

None of any medals I have ever been awarded by either the United
States Marine Corps or the CAP are on that flight suit.

So you STILL have yet to answer the question, Brian....WHAT, in
your opinion, is a "CAP Ace".

Is this yet ANOTHER assertion that will take us a year to get you
to finally admit was an unsubstantiated opinion?

What lie? And yes it IS what YOU said, Brian. Word for
word.
Not a period or comma was dropped.

Lie #11?

Where's #1?

10 back. Last week.

And you said that I had a math problem. Hi!

You do.

You also have a "fact" problem.

And a reading comprehension problem.

Not to mention the already existing honesty and character issues.

This continuing "dodge" to cite the alleged "lie" is yet more
proof of MY assertion that you are without facts or honesty. You are
being intentionally deceitful. Same as lying.

And you have made the assumption that they are working
12
hour
shifts. Your re-arrangement still does not substantiate
your
other
claims.

Re-arrangement??? The 12 hour shift scenario is a Best Case
Scenario.
If the shifts were 8 hours, the volunteer deficits would be
even
greater.

"Best case" for whom?

For covering all of the shifts.

Uh huh.

Remember the customer? The customer that is never, ever, ever
denied?

YOU made the assertion that there is a failure of ARES to respond.

YOU have YET to provide even ONE example where ARES or RACES has
failed to respond for any of the criteria you have suggested...or for
ANY criteria for that matter.

I have been with ARES teams for wildfires in Southern California,
missing children searches in Georgia, public service support in
Pennsylvania and cross country bike races in Tennessee.

You gotta cover all the shifts with the right number of qualified
ops.

I did.

Anyone who has really done any of these knows that's NOT the
facts, Brian...Like you...

Three qualified operators per team. Them's the facts.

Yep. Three. See above. You may not like it, but I've "been
there, done that", and it works. Sorry if you don't agree.

By the way, from what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in emergency services
are YOU coming, Brian? Just what have YOU done for Amateur Radio?
MARS? CAP? The VFW Ladies Auxiliary?

One more example of "Not A Clue Burke" hanging his bacon out to
dry!

Explain. And you've yet to show where the customer is not shorted in
this 96hr scenario.

See above.

OK, 8 hour shifts:

Let's put Phil on Team A, and Phil is pulling two shifts.

Day 1, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 2, Team A: Day
Team B: Swing
Team nothing: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 3, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Day 4, Team A: Day (no Phil, deficit of 1)
Team B: Swing
Team C: Mid (deficit of 3)

Steve, have it your way. It makes the situation worse.

No, it doesn't. You can still cover all operating periods
with
staff. I doubt you were ever a supervisor in the USAF, Brain,
from
your "all hands on duty now" contention.

Hi! Hi, hi, hi!!!

Were you a reservist?

Nope. Active Duty.

You think like a day weanie.

You don't think. At all. You're not capable of "fluid
management". Your planning and execution have to be at someone else's
direction, Brian. Ever hear of "TQM", Brian? It's USAF Core Value.

And I've asked you to define your "day weanie" comment. I say
it's just a Lenniesque diminutive without substantiation.

As usual.

Sorry, Brian...Your contentions are still grasping for
straws.

Nice try, though.

Idiot. Would you like me to show you what 6 or 4 hour shifts
look
like???

Brian, six people for a 48 hour period is thin, but
adequate.

Inadequate for the 96 hour period that you specified, and the
"team
of
3" requirement that Phil specified.

Them's the facts.

No, they're not.

Then state all of the conditions. Then show how the customer is not
shorted.

Done.

Sorry you don't agree, but then it appears you don't have the
supervisory skills to make it work.

Steve, K4YZ

The supervisor fills in when there are a lack of personnel. But
you
didn't see much of that in the USMC, didja, ya Day-Weanie Marine.

"Day-Weanie Marine"...?!?! Really getting P/O'ed that you
keep
getting your nose rubbed in your own inadequacies, aren't you?

You're the only inedaquate equation in this. You have yet to show
how
to cover the 96 hour exercise, with the available personnel, while
maintaining the required number of qualified operators per team.

Done. I thought if I kept nudging you to think a bit you'd pull
it out, but I was wrong. My bad.

Look, it's a new week and I'm in a good mood. Just got back from
a
great scout camping trip. Wx was perfect, invigorating hike,
gourmet
chicken in a foil pack dinner last night, must not have snored
too
much
last night because my throat isn't sore.

Glad to hear you had a nice day.

The best.

Not QUITE the best. You've still got serious honesty and
character issues to overcome.

But we'll take you one day at a time.

Just admit to your lies, say you're sorry, and begin this week
with
a
fresh start. The truth will set you free.

Take your own advice, Brian.

I do. Every day. I start off by not lying.

Then by denying that you have a problem with honesty is yet
ANOTHER of YOUR lies, Burke.

The kids are going to see this some day.

Why not make them proud by having the intestinal fortitude to
gut-up and admit your problem and move forward...???

Start off by TRYING to cite my alleged 11 lies. Then you can
provide us with some evidence to support your "ARES won't respond"
assertion.

You need to requote that.

I don't need to requote anything, Brian.

YOU need to quit stalling and get your act together.

Then move on to your "unlicensed devices" issue.

You need to requote that.

More stalling, Brian.

We're
still waiting for documentation of the legality of your Somalia
operation

Why? You are not in my Somalia log and you will not receive a QSL
card. You are not the Somalia minister of communications. You are
not
the US Air Foce on site commander. You are not the United Nations.
You are not the ARRL.

Nope. I am none of those.

But I HAVE been the "recipient" of your blatant dishonesty in THIS
forum vis-a-vis your Somalia operations, and I KNOW that you acts were
not legal unless you can pony-up some facts that show that you DID have
valid authority to operate an Amateur Radio transmitter while in
Somalia.

As it stands, you were simply pirating. Toddie would be proud.

and some evidence of your claims of having worked the
equilvilent of DXCC from two or three other DX locations.

You're a chronic liar, Brian. It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

You make claims, Steve. You do it often and loudly. But your claims
aren't worth spit because they are lies.

No, they are not.

You continue to make unsubstantiated claims. You make those
claims in such manner, tone and repetitiveness as to state them as
fact. To do so over and over when no where there is no substance to
support it (and evidence to the contrary is prevelant) is a lie.
Period.

Now show me your Top-Off 96 hour duty schedule where all shifts are
covered with the proper number of qualified radio operators, and
without abusing the volunteers. You claim you could, so do it.

Did it.

Best of Luck.

No luck needed.

Steve, K4YZ