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Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in t: I think the "tag line editorial" leaves us with a pretty good idea of "Frank's" real identity...Sure LOOKS familiar! No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. "...not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank..." Whelp...that pretty well answers most of why Frank of Silliland has taken this opportunity to "diss" a SNCO Marine. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. Frank, if that IS your name... You're a loser AND a liar... Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? Of what business do YOU have, Frank of Silliland? Dave's got a lot more in common with me than you do. You obviously have no AMATEUR RADIO issues to discuss. You came in "guns-a-blazin" over "military" credentials, only for it to be found out you're a disgraced non-rated enlisted yourself. Some "resource" YOU turned out to be! Frank Gilliland is a disgraced liar. Period. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:23:09 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in : Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact remains that they SERVED! No, that's not a fact. K4YZ has, through his own words, proved beyond any reasonable doubt that he did -NOT- serve, at least not in the capacity he claims. Yes, I did serve, and you're a disgraced liar, Frankie. And that WAS through your own words! You claim that MY "words" prove I didn't serve. You're a liar. Period. It's probably part-and-parcel why you left the Marines as a PFC instead of as an NCO or SNCO, and is also no doubt as to why you entered this flame fest to start one of your own. I've run into many of these impersonators over the years...(SNIP) YOU'RE the "impersonator", "Frankie"... "Impersonating" someone who served Honorably... most of whom claim to be Viet-Nam vets that did "secret ops" or worked independently "behind enemy lines", and often quoting lines from the movies "Apocolypse, Now", "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket" (and even that early Jack Webb movie). But ask them for proof and they clam up and get all defensive, just like K4YZ, and now K8MN. No "defensive"...No "secretive". While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country. I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of you do the same. Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did- serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and will die in the future. Words spoken by a non-hacking, busted-to-non-rate loser. I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unimpressed! If you want to do the right thing then don't let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no problem with showing proof of service when asked. I have "proof of service", Frankie, and offered more than enough non-Privacy Act protected sources for any marginally interested person to find the results themselves...Even specific dates of promotion boards... You're a liar and a loser, Gilliland. and now YOU have been exposed. Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up for this... Steve, K4YZ |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:20:29 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in
: correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of you do the same. Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did- serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and will die in the future. If you want to do the right thing then don't let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no problem with showing proof of service when asked. /////////////// And just where you step in is indeed a question. You, as easily as the others, can be just as much a "fake". Fair enough. Here, for your viewing pleasure, is a scan of part of my DD-214 (with DOB blocked out). It's in high resolution so you can analyze it should you think it's a forgery: http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/dd214ex.jpg Here's my bluenose card: http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/bluenose.jpg And just to see how well it would scan, here's something I picked up in Haifa. Know what it is? The name of the file is a clue: http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tt.jpg Any more doubts? Need more proof? I don't know you, so for all I know you are a Troll. I know Dan, W4NTI, and I know of his service. Dan has earned, in your childish words, his "honor". So also have several other Veterans who comment in this or other groups. Where, in any of my posts, did I refer to W4NTI? I didn't. The issue is Dudly, not anyone else. So why drag yet another person into the fray? I, unlike you, don't question the service of fellow Veterans. I accept them as they are. Sorry, but after all the fake vets I've met over the years I'm not so easily fooled. Nor do I conclude that something is true just because someone says so. It has been, and will continue to be my practice to give a hand salute to all Vets. Now, about jumping a T-10 chute...ever been there? How about a name? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:20:29 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in I don't know you, so for all I know you are a Troll. I know Dan, W4NTI, and I know of his service. Dan has earned, in your childish words, his "honor". So also have several other Veterans who comment in this or other groups. Where, in any of my posts, did I refer to W4NTI? I didn't. The issue is Dudly, not anyone else. So why drag yet another person into the fray? Sorry, Frankie...the issue now is YOU... By YOUR own words, you're a disgraced, busted-to-nonrate ex-Marine who obviously has a serious chip on his shoulder...Not "left behind" due to over-billeting of MOS's or other personnel issues beyond your control, but through some act of negligence or misconduct. You were in an MOS that the Marine Corps spent a lot of money in order to get you there, yet they deemed you UNFIT to leave the Corps after less than 4 years as anything but a Private First Class. A loser. Ironically you refered to yourself as a "####bird PFC"... Unfortuantely I knew more than my fair share of "####birds", but most of them at least managed to get their tours done HONORABLY and get out the door as Corporals or even Sergeants after a 4 year tour. At least on the six occassions I got to stand in front of a Marine officer in regards to my rank, it was prefaced with the words "To All Who Shall See These, Greetings..." Guess Frankie of Silliland wasn't listening when the repeated the words about "Special Trust and Confidence"...Because that's exactly what being a Marine is all about. And Frankie couldn't hack it... Loser. Steve, K4YZ |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in t: snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no proof, just accusations. Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*? Dave K8MN |
Dave remarked, "You told us that you weren't a model Marine."
My son saved some "GI Joe Action Figures", while not exactly a "model marine", you can pose them realistically and stage pseudo-military scenarios which might be more entertaining than you find here... I'd loan ya a couple if you get bored... John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:23:00 +0000, Dave Heil wrote: You told us that you weren't a model Marine. |
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Frank of Silliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in t: snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine. By a far stretch. He was in an expensive technical MOS (Ground Radar Repair). You've got to go out of your way to get the USMC to send you home as a PFC with 3 1/2 years of service..."####bird" was an understatement on Frankie's part. The rank of PFC and the less-than-four year tour lends one to believe that the reason he didn't publish the other 3/4ths of his -214 was that somewhere on that form it said "LESS THAN HONORABLE", or one of those categories of discharge. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no proof, just accusations. And O N L Y accusations, Dave. They claim I am "hiding behind the Privacy Act", but I have offered them more than adequate PUBLIC resources to validate my service. This ludicrous spin about how I am one Steven Robeson claiming the service of another is assinine. Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*? Frankie will do nothing of the kind, Dave. He was given adequate resources to validate my service...MORE than adequate if we were to take his not-so-subtle suggestions of having resources that "you don't even know about" at his disposal. Yet he claims that he's "most definitely proud to admit" how truthful he is. He's all three of the "oser's" Hoser Poser Loser Frankie's done himslef in, Dave, just like Lennie, Markie, Toiddie and Brain have done in turn... The Feeble Five. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:23:00 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et: Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in t: snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine. Feel free to speculate all you want about my service. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no proof, just accusations. You haven't been paying attention, Dave. I tossed out several tidbits of info that he would know if his claim was true, but he tripped up and proved that he knew -nothing- of what I was talking about. Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*? I see you missed that part, too. I was in here on a totally different issue when someone mentioned that Dudly was a Marine. So I asked him when he served and what units he was with -- a really simple question. Heck, it's not like I was asking him his SSN or something. But that's the way he acted. Up went the red flag. Ever since then he's been tripping over his tongue and frothing like a rabid dog. Now that I have answered -your- question, just why are you defending him with such passion? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank:
When you are all done, won't what he said which is true still be true, and what he said which is false still be false... Or, are you making a case that you can now claim the truth, if he stated it, is now false? If so, I must admit, I don't understand how that would be any where near accurate... John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:14:25 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:23:00 GMT, Dave Heil wrote in et: Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in t: snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine. Feel free to speculate all you want about my service. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. So, the truth is, according to you, that Steve isn't a Marine or that he's lying. That's an assumption made by you and you've offered no proof, just accusations. You haven't been paying attention, Dave. I tossed out several tidbits of info that he would know if his claim was true, but he tripped up and proved that he knew -nothing- of what I was talking about. Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? I challenge you to expose me as a "military imposter", Frank. Make it your life's work. As far as your last comment: read up on how usenet works. After all, how did Steve's business become *your business*? I see you missed that part, too. I was in here on a totally different issue when someone mentioned that Dudly was a Marine. So I asked him when he served and what units he was with -- a really simple question. Heck, it's not like I was asking him his SSN or something. But that's the way he acted. Up went the red flag. Ever since then he's been tripping over his tongue and frothing like a rabid dog. Now that I have answered -your- question, just why are you defending him with such passion? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 27 Aug 2005 07:19:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: snip This ludicrous spin about how I am one Steven Robeson claiming the service of another is assinine. I see you finally calmed down long enough to comprehend the issue. And it's far from assinine. With the advent of the internet it's a simple matter to look up your own name on a database, and it's much easier to steal the identity of someone with the same name than someone with a different name. Doing that I could impersonate any number of people. It would even be simpler than that if my father had the same name and didn't hang around the newsgroups to see what I was doing. And BTW, notice the title of box 11: ".... years and months in specialty...." IOW, that time doesn't include boot camp or the three months I had to wait at 29 Palms for an opening in the BE course (during which I worked as an assistant for the supply officer working on the TICKET computer system -- an educational mainframe system that was under development). You may now resume your tirade. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:25:35 -0700, John Smith
wrote in : Frank: When you are all done, won't what he said which is true still be true, and what he said which is false still be false... Or, are you making a case that you can now claim the truth, if he stated it, is now false? If so, I must admit, I don't understand how that would be any where near accurate... John People lie. It's that simple. So have you had problems with the alien interfering with your CB moon-bounce lately? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird PFC"...?!??! Sheesh...even Lennie made E5... Did you catch the part where Jim didn't serve? Jimmie Miccolis never served. Mikey Coslo never served. Dee Flint never served. Brain Kellie WAS served (by "drudges") at the captain's table! You act as if status as a veteran is something which gives you entitlement to be condescending to those who were never in the military. Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in the rear someplace. Dave K8MN Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Sorry, but I missed that. Please point me to the post. Jim acts as if status as a "amateur" is something which gives him entitlement to be condescending to those radio professionals who were never amateurs. Does he? I've seen no evidence of it. The only radio professional here, who isn't a radio amateur, is Len Anderson. Len is an insulting churl. Jim is a thin-skinned Evangelical CWer. Dave acts as if status as a DXer is something which gives him entitlement to be condescending to those who enjoyed DX while not holding the highest class of amateur licesne. To those? Well, there's you and you don't seem to know very much about DXing. You seem to equate it with ragchewing across continents. Hmmmm? I know not to work French hams out of band on 6 meters. Have you worked any French stations on 6m? Hmmmm? I know where to get permission to operate from a piece of real estate that has no government. That hasn't been demonstrated. It took a guy who you claim "doesn't seem to know very much about DXing" to point that info out to you. It did? That hasn't been demonstrated either. It's archived. But you just can't accept it, coming from a younger, brighter, better looking, and lower ranking amateur. Too bad for you. I thought you were the only person involved. Now it sounds like there were four in your group. Hi! Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who is insecure about his own accomplishments. Then again, you've been wearing a chip on your shoulders for years. No chip. No dip. No parrot. I've got the facts; you make smug remarks. I'm always happy to provide a smug remark or two Indeed. to a pipsquawk who thinks he's got all the answers. Where did I ever say that I've got all the answers? It's just that I had a few more answers than you did about a particular situation. But you go shooting off your mouth about another person's ethics, then post the French out-of-band frequencies where you were working French Hams. Some A1 Op you are! Maybe you can have your "facts" miniaturized along with your DD-214 so you'll have them all at your disposal. Dave K8MN My facts are archived on Google. My DD214 is on file in St Louis. |
K4YZ wrote: Of what business do YOU have, Frank of Silliland? Dave's got a lot more in common with me than you do. Ahem, you might want to check with Dave before making such sweeping statements. Hi! |
From: "K4YZ" on Sat 27 Aug 2005 02:15
Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:23:09 -0500, "T-10" anon@jumper wrote in : Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact remains that they SERVED! No, that's not a fact. K4YZ has, through his own words, proved beyond any reasonable doubt that he did -NOT- serve, at least not in the capacity he claims. Yes, I did serve, and you're a disgraced liar, Frankie. No, Dudly, you have NOT produced ANY proof of having served in the USMC. And that WAS through your own words! You claim that MY "words" prove I didn't serve. So far, with NO PROOF presented, YOUR words are vague generalities without specifics. You've claimed being "in seven hostile actions" but have never said WHERE or WHEN you were actually IN those. You're a liar. Period. No period, Dudly. Lots of us readers have come to the conclusion that you are simply running a con job, a snow job, and cannot come up with enough details or familiarity to establish that you actually did all those vague/general things you've described. It's probably part-and-parcel why you left the Marines as a PFC instead of as an NCO or SNCO, and is also no doubt as to why you entered this flame fest to start one of your own. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Personal insults do not YOUR bona fides make, Dudly. The personal-insult-reply is something you use constantly when challenged to produce ANY proof of what you've said. It is NOT AN ANSWER. It is just misdirection to avoid YOUR answer. I've run into many of these impersonators over the years...(SNIP) YOU'RE the "impersonator", "Frankie"... "Impersonating" someone who served Honorably... We readers have NO PROOF that YOU "served honorably." By your own words you exited the USMC through a MEDICAL DISCHARGE. Then you changed that to an "honorable discharge." Inconsistent. most of whom claim to be Viet-Nam vets that did "secret ops" or worked independently "behind enemy lines", and often quoting lines from the movies "Apocolypse, Now", "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket" (and even that early Jack Webb movie). But ask them for proof and they clam up and get all defensive, just like K4YZ, and now K8MN. No "defensive"...No "secretive". NO PROOF from you, Dudly. While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country. I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of you do the same. Honor is earned, not stolen. By defending a valor-thief you are subverting your own intentions and disrespecting those who -did- serve, those who are serving right now, and those who have died and will die in the future. Words spoken by a non-hacking, busted-to-non-rate loser. I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unimpressed! Tsk, tsk, tsk. More misdirection by personal insults to a challenger. NO PROOF from you, Dudly. If you want to do the right thing then don't let yourself be fooled by these fakes -- any true vet will have no problem with showing proof of service when asked. I have "proof of service", Frankie, and offered more than enough non-Privacy Act protected sources for any marginally interested person to find the results themselves...Even specific dates of promotion boards... PRODUCE THEM, Dudly. Give us real links if you have them. Give us scanned documents in e-mail if you have no links. Give us some personal references that we can contact, those who you claim have "served with you." So far you've provided NONE. You're a liar and a loser, Gilliland. and now YOU have been exposed. Tsk, more personal insults from Dudly masquerading as a "reply." Dudly has NO PROOF of his. Go ahead...let's see what excuse or rationalization you spin up for this... Frank has presented some links for his proof. Frank's words ring true. YOURS are just vague generalities, no specifics, sound like they've been cribbed from books, movies, and TV shows. Quit trying to point fingers at others, Dudly. Remember that every time you point a finger at someone there are four other fingers of yours pointing right back at YOU. |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 26, 11:19 pm
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:02:23 GMT, Dave Heil , AMATEUR radio operator and defender of liars and identity thieves, wrote in .?n et: snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. Do you think being repeatedly busted to a lower rank is something to be proud of? Like Billy Mitchell? No, like Frank "Not-a-model-Marine" Gilliland. Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, not even the actions that resulted in my loss of rank. But there's one big difference between me and Dudly that you can't seem to comprehend: I'm telling the truth. And that's something I am most definitely proud to admit. Now what I don't understand is why you are so passionate about Dudly when this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Is he your butt-buddy? Or are you afraid that you are next in line to be exposed as a military imposter? Why is his business -your- business, Dave? Dave was in the "foreign service," i.e., the Department of State as a government employee. "He's from the government and is here to help" or something like that...:-) Dave is a Pro-Code-Test Advocate. Dudly is more-or-less a PCTA. Dave wants to fiercely attack ANY No-Code-Test Advocate (NCTA). Frank, you've come out as an NCTA and thus are on Dave's ****list. Dave thinks you've "sided" with me. I'm on Dave's ****list from years ago. :-) Dave makes it "his business" to denigrate, demean, and personally insult any NCTA. He imagines himself a "leader." He isn't leider fabled in song and story. Ackshully, Dave hasn't specified a lot of detail of what HE DID in his military service in the air farts in "a country at war." He's admitted to doing something in regards to MARS, but MARS was never part of mainstream military communications. Dave shows no indication of EVER picking up the art of diplomacy in a government secretariat that is supposed to use diplomacy. Maybe that's one reason why U.S. foreign policy isn't universally beloved around the world? :-) |
K4YZ wrote: The rank of PFC and the less-than-four year tour lends one to believe that the reason he didn't publish the other 3/4ths of his -214 was that somewhere on that form it said "LESS THAN HONORABLE", or one of those categories of discharge. And your DD-214? |
From: K4YZ on Aug 27, 7:32 am
(N0IMD in yet another drag) wrote: Big Snip Steve acts as if status as a lower-ranking Marine is something to be denigrated. It is when the Marine obtained that rank on the way DOWN, and then tries to act as if he was some kind of hero for having got that way. "Act as if he was some kind of hero?" Didn't see that of Frank at all. WE all saw that "some kind of hero" stuff of YOU, Dudly. Show us some PROOF of having been IN those "seven hostile actions." Show us some PROOF of having done all that avionics work. Show us some PROOF of having been that "Assistant NCOIC of MARS." Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who is insecure about his own accomplishments. Gee...How ironic. I was thinking the same about YOU and your "Somalia" operation...Funny how that came out after Dave had been talking about his DXpeditions and I had been talking about operating from Okinawa... Kinda has that "ME TOO! ME TOO!" ring to it... Funny, isn't it..?!?! Not funny at all. YOU are the one insecure. Tsk, Diplomat Dave went on "DXpeditions" while working for the State Department in those "DX" embassies? Looked like he was there in government service, not in any amateur radio junket. Just exactly WHAT did you do for "operations from Okinawa?" Did you help save Guam? Establish national security through contact with MARS? What PROOF do you have of that esteemed (or steamed) "Assistant NCOIC" position? Can you describe the MARS station from memory at least? Do you have any friends (ahem) who can be your references? You've not named a single one. After 18 years of supposed service you have none? I've been busting your chops for years to PROVE that your bootlegging from Somalia WASN'T bootlegging, and you refuse to ante-up some "proof" of ANY sort of it's legitimacy...Yet here YOU are trying to "diss" me on military service that can be verified in any of several PUBLIC files. Just exactly WHAT are those "PUBLIC files?" How "PUBLIC" are they? Who can easily access those "PUBLIC files?" Tell us WHAT those "PUBLIC files" are. For one thing, Dudly, you are definitely NOT in any JAG nor have you been. Even if you're just an ex-medical-corpsman in the USN instead of the USMC, you would have NO knowledge of either USAF or USA special regulations. Both USA and USAF special regs cover MARS operations; I've given links to the U.S. Army websites which have specific ARs and SRs concerning amateur radio operation. YOU have given squat, dink, nothing but shouting and hollering of how others are all "bootlegging" or doing dishonest things...in short, just personal insults to others instead of showing us any of "your proof." Describe the applicable UCMJ text saying that amateur radio operations from Somalia is "bootlegging." Diplomat Dave never showed us any legal cites that stated armed forces officials cannot allow/disallow armed forces personnel from doing such things. We readers are still waiting for YOUR PROOF of claims, brags, assorted braggadoccio from years back of your bull**** in here. Tell us specifically just WHERE and WHEN you were IN those "seven hostile actions." Do so in more detail than the vague generalities you've posted so far. Surprise us. yawn What "chops" have you "busted?" So far, only your own credibility. All you do in regards to "chop busting" is personal insults of those who challenge you to provide proof. You have not. You cannot. You are an imposter. Simple as that. |
Frank:
Their are either aliens, or their are angels--a belief in either is likely to get a man laughed at, in some place at some time... I have trouble in believing in either, but one is true! Why, you just don't think and so don't have to worry? John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:08:48 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:25:35 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: When you are all done, won't what he said which is true still be true, and what he said which is false still be false... Or, are you making a case that you can now claim the truth, if he stated it, is now false? If so, I must admit, I don't understand how that would be any where near accurate... John People lie. It's that simple. So have you had problems with the alien interfering with your CB moon-bounce lately? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 27 Aug 2005 15:30:42 -0700, "
wrote in .com: snip Dave is a Pro-Code-Test Advocate. Dudly is more-or-less a PCTA. Dave wants to fiercely attack ANY No-Code-Test Advocate (NCTA). Frank, you've come out as an NCTA and thus are on Dave's ****list. Then Dave is barking up the wrong tree. I'm not a ham but I do see the value of keeping the code as a requirement. Not only is it one of the most efficient and universal forms of radio communication, learning the skill demonstrates both a willingness and dedication to the hobby and it's history. Besides, 5wpm isn't so hard that it leads to chronic insomnia or constipation, but some of these no-coders whine about as much as Dudly does when he's asked for proof of his military service! Code isn't that big of a deal. Learn it, pass the test, then either use it or don't use it but at least you'll have a skill you didn't have before. IMO. Dave thinks you've "sided" with me. I'm on Dave's ****list from years ago. :-) Well, that's between you and Dave. Apparently he can't make that distinction. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:03:37 -0700, John Smith
wrote in : Frank: Their are either aliens, or their are angels--a belief in either is likely to get a man laughed at, in some place at some time... I have trouble in believing in either, but one is true! Why, you just don't think and so don't have to worry? LOL! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 27 Aug 2005 16:01:13 -0700, wrote in
.com: K4YZ wrote: The rank of PFC and the less-than-four year tour lends one to believe that the reason he didn't publish the other 3/4ths of his -214 was that somewhere on that form it said "LESS THAN HONORABLE", or one of those categories of discharge. And your DD-214? That is something you will never see. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank:
You are much more dense than I'd imagined, I am sorry to have given you too much credit, let me explain it to you, perhaps you can get the picture. While the evolutionists have gone around spinning a story of life beginning in mud puddles (and who knows for certain, I certainly don't), SETI has been created and searches the heavens, also, in some southwestern desert there is a "big ear" which searches for ET--and at least a good portion of a billion has been spent on its' creation, recently. If we came from a mud puddle, then in some of those billions and billions of mud puddles out in the universe, which formed millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions or even billions of years before ours, life also began... surely you can realize that--unless you still are afflicted by the same disease and consider yourself "SPECIAL!" (perhaps you consider your amateur license proof you are a member of a sole-solitary race?) Then there is "life by intelligent design" and a supreme being, I am sure you are familiar with that argument--and there are some points needing further investigating... Then again, even if it a "mud puddle god" which is now on his/her/their way to us right now, we may not be able to tell the difference between them/it and a/the supreme being(s)--or perhaps, "God forbid!", they did create us and now study us from a "duck blind"... Surely if you can scoff at that, you would know you risk being a complete idiot... but if you believe in a mud puddle, you are actually betting on aliens existence, make no mistake, I don't, and just because the gov't or FCC hasn't told you is no excuse for not thinking--"they" just think it would be too unsettling to let the "dumb masses" in on the "little secret", or perhaps the driving force is not to insult them, like the reason they don't tell queers what sick buggers they are... go figure... maybe it is the mental health bill to "cure" 'em which they are avoiding... John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:10:22 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:03:37 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: Their are either aliens, or their are angels--a belief in either is likely to get a man laughed at, in some place at some time... I have trouble in believing in either, but one is true! Why, you just don't think and so don't have to worry? LOL! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 26 Aug 2005 11:58:57 -0700, "
wrote in .com: From: on Fri 26 Aug 2005 06:22 K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: If fact, Jimmie Noserve took me to task about being a "rear-area" type. I guess all those books he read (to become an expert on warfare) didn't tell him that NOBODY got to "choose" where they were assigned. But it is true, isn't it, that you were so far to the rear that you were in a different country from where the Korean conflict was taking place? Of course. If Jimmie say it true, it must be true! Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true. The Occupation was over when I was assigned there. Was I supposed to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?" The point being that you never served in a forward area, let alone a combat area. Matter of fact, the only thing "forward" about you is bad manners and a propensity to deceive. The point is that a low-ranking Marine knew enough to call you out on your military service lies. Tsk. The stealers of valor cry foul when their stealing is stolen. Dudly has NO PROOF whatsoever of his "forward area" action. NONE. Aircraft ground maintenance personnel are NOT in any "forward area." If one is NOT in a "forward area," one is in the "rear area." Such as an Okinawa MARS station where Dudly claimed to be "Assistant NCOIC." [wow...lots of responsibility there...in a NON-commo role if he was really there...MARS was never a part of the Defense Communications System] Dudly has never referred to any common small-unit land force radio by nomenclature or familiar name. Neither has he done so for any common avionics radio of the 1974-1992 period. That is unthinkable for anyone who has really been IN the military involved in radio communications of any kind. Not only that, but when presented with -partial- information he can't even fill in the blanks; i.e, VINSON, discharge upgrades, etc. Ergo, Dudly NEVER DID what he claimed. Dudly has presented NO PROOF of this claimed military service. He has presented nothing but verbal generalities that can be gleaned from publications or entertainment shows. Anyone truly proud to have served will have some sort of documentation which can be scanned and presented for proof. Dog tags can be scanned. http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/dogtag.jpg Dudly has offered NONE. Not even personal snapshots. Here's one that should be good for a laugh: http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/skivs.jpg Dudly says all who challenge him on his military claims should "call the VA [Veteran's Administration]." The VA will not reveal details to non-familiy members and must have assurance that a requestor is legitimate. The VA cannot reveal details due to a federal law that is almost three decades old. OVER three decades old: The Privacy Act of 1974. The same is true for NARA, the National Archives and Records Administration, which has a large records archive in St. Louis, MO. NARA has a website which contains the form required to request details...the filled-in form can be e-mailed for personal data, but must be sent surface mail for full disclosure. The only logical conclusion is that Dudly's claims to military service are a FRAUD, a fabrication, a LIE. In his case, a "rear area" is what he has been giving us. Well, any proof he offers now will need to be pretty damn convincing. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:37:46 -0700, John Smith
wrote in : Frank: You are much more dense than I'd imagined, I am sorry to have given you too much credit, let me explain it to you, perhaps you can get the picture. snip No need, but I read it anyway. You have concluded that I think life does not exist elsewhere in the universe. I said no such thing. On the contrary, I think that extraterrestrial life is not just a possibility but a statistical probability with a level of confidence that's better than the sun rising each morning. What I find amusing is the way some people use that as a justification for their belief that the government is hiding little grey aliens. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:34:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, But the Marines probably do. What's this..... tag-team flame wars? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank:
Grey? Who told you grey? I heard it was green! grin John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:53:31 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:37:46 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: You are much more dense than I'd imagined, I am sorry to have given you too much credit, let me explain it to you, perhaps you can get the picture. snip No need, but I read it anyway. You have concluded that I think life does not exist elsewhere in the universe. I said no such thing. On the contrary, I think that extraterrestrial life is not just a possibility but a statistical probability with a level of confidence that's better than the sun rising each morning. What I find amusing is the way some people use that as a justification for their belief that the government is hiding little grey aliens. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:06:44 -0700, John Smith
wrote in : Frank: Grey? Who told you grey? I heard it was green! grin Dave Hall (N3CVJ) said they were grey. He also said they were from Zeta Reticuli. I guess he's an expert with those sorts of things. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"John Smith" wrote Then again, even if it a "mud puddle god" which is now on his/her/their way to us right now, we may not be able to tell the difference between them/it and a/the supreme being(s)--or perhaps, "God forbid!", they did create us and now study us from a "duck blind"... In the beginning, God created the earth, and he looked upon it in His cosmic loneliness. And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely. "Everything must have a purpose?" asked God. "Certainly," said man. "Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God. And He went away. --- Book of Bokonon, Chapter 1, Verses 2-4 |
Frank:
Frankly, if I thought anything, I would suspect that it would be the "supreme aliens" who were able to call the shots--I don't think our gov't or the world gov'ts for that matter would be doing much of anything--at least not anything the aliens were not telling them to do... Who knows, keep an open mind, maybe they are just raising us like a head of cattle--and butchering time is near!!! terrified-look! .... do I think that is really happening? Heck, I don't know if there is a supreme being, I don't know if we came from a mud puddle, how should I know, if you ask me--all the choices just sound crazy, ask the aliens! chuckle John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:53:31 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:37:46 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: You are much more dense than I'd imagined, I am sorry to have given you too much credit, let me explain it to you, perhaps you can get the picture. snip No need, but I read it anyway. You have concluded that I think life does not exist elsewhere in the universe. I said no such thing. On the contrary, I think that extraterrestrial life is not just a possibility but a statistical probability with a level of confidence that's better than the sun rising each morning. What I find amusing is the way some people use that as a justification for their belief that the government is hiding little grey aliens. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
K0HB:
Interesting... All I know from observing the elements, electromagnetic spectrum and the nature of things is that nature never creates symmetry (well, crystals and spheres), never creates extremely complex designs, machines or beings--indeed, the only argument and/or example anyone can possibly pose is us--or rather, life on earth. I would find one believing you can throw a handful of glass, plastic, metal into a mud puddle--come back a million or so years later and start pulling out microwaves, cell phones, amateur equip., etc... as all of those are much simpler, we can make those ourselves! I find it strange men have designed a whole complex theory explaining how it can happen and stating they have "proofs", and yet we are the only "proof", and really no proof at all to the original question--i.e., we are simply proof we exist, not how we came to exist... In my personal opinion, evolution is nothing more than a religion, and one needing a leap of faith to participate in... Nature is a prime example of decay, destruction of complex chemicals, reduction to the base elements--devolution if you will... but then, some would argue black is white... If I was forced to guess, a beginning without the intervention of an intelligence with a plan I would venture is impossible, someone obviously "made" us... John On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:11:38 +0000, KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote Then again, even if it a "mud puddle god" which is now on his/her/their way to us right now, we may not be able to tell the difference between them/it and a/the supreme being(s)--or perhaps, "God forbid!", they did create us and now study us from a "duck blind"... In the beginning, God created the earth, and he looked upon it in His cosmic loneliness. And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely. "Everything must have a purpose?" asked God. "Certainly," said man. "Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God. And He went away. --- Book of Bokonon, Chapter 1, Verses 2-4 |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
Well, I'll tell ya, Dave -- I have absolutely no regrets about anything I did in the Marines, But the Marines probably do. |
Frank:
To be honest--it wouldn't surprise me, but then you are talking to a guy who thought the stain on monicas' dress might be ice cream! straight-face John On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:11:31 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:06:44 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: Grey? Who told you grey? I heard it was green! grin Dave Hall (N3CVJ) said they were grey. He also said they were from Zeta Reticuli. I guess he's an expert with those sorts of things. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"John Smith" wrote If I was forced to guess, a beginning without the intervention of an intelligence with a plan I would venture is impossible, someone obviously "made" us... Are you from Kansas? Evolution is (in my mind) too fuzzy a term, because it has become popularized to imply a lock-step progression from "lower to higher". I subscribe to the basic premise ("natural selection") but I believe it to be a stochastic process in which some randomly scattered "lucky breaks" occured. For a good read, go to a good university library and check out "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins (Oxford) and "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies (University of Adelaide). 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"John Smith" wrote
I have trouble in believing in either, but one is true! There is a teleological argument, popular in the bible belt, which goes something like this: Premise 1: The universe was designed by someone "intelligent" Premise 2: If it was designed by an intelligent being, it was designed by either humans or God. Premise 3: The universe was not designed by human intelligence. 4: From (1) and (2), the universe was designed by either humans or God. 5: From (3), it was designed by God. The third premise is generally scientifically accepted, but not so the first and second. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote Then again, even if it a "mud puddle god" which is now on his/her/their way to us right now, we may not be able to tell the difference between them/it and a/the supreme being(s)--or perhaps, "God forbid!", they did create us and now study us from a "duck blind"... In the beginning, God created the earth, and he looked upon it in His cosmic loneliness. And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely. "Everything must have a purpose?" asked God. "Certainly," said man. "Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God. And He went away. But God, being the first electrical engineer, came back and took a rib from the man and created the first "loud speaker". |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 27, 7:08 pm
On 27 Aug 2005 15:30:42 -0700, " wrote in s.com?: snip Dave is a Pro-Code-Test Advocate. Dudly is more-or-less a PCTA. Dave wants to fiercely attack ANY No-Code-Test Advocate (NCTA). Frank, you've come out as an NCTA and thus are on Dave's ****list. Then Dave is barking up the wrong tree. I'm not a ham but I do see the value of keeping the code as a requirement. Okay, I stand corrected. No problem to me. However, under the ROE (Rules of Engagement) in here, if you agree with me in the slightest on anything, that puts you in "aligned with me" and in Dave's ****list. :-) Not only is it one of the most efficient and universal forms of radio communication, learning the skill demonstrates both a willingness and dedication to the hobby and it's history. Besides, 5wpm isn't so hard that it leads to chronic insomnia or constipation, but some of these no-coders whine about as much as Dudly does when he's asked for proof of his military service! Code isn't that big of a deal. Learn it, pass the test, then either use it or don't use it but at least you'll have a skill you didn't have before. IMO. Opinion noted. I have a surfeit of acquired skills already, don't need any old ones. :-) I don't need to demonstrate how to hand-crank-start a car to the state motor vehicle department. I've done that anyway. I don't need to learn musketry skills, of hand-loading a lead ball, to shoot well. I've shot well with modern firearms. No personal firearms license in my locality requires demonstration of shooting skills. I don't need to "sit" a horse in order to convey myself a large distance. I've never done that nor do I expect to. All the "horsepower" I need is in our new Chevy. The state motor vehicle department does not recognize horsemanship. I don't need to learn blacksmithing in order to shape iron or most other metals. I've already shaped metal to what I want and none of it was for horseshoes. :-) I don't need to learn to grow all my food, either in ground or that walking upon it. Food markets serve me and wife well. I've learned enough to survive on the land in emergencies and that is, in my opinion, sufficient. Since 1952 I've learned old-fashioned vacuum tube radio communications techniques and never had to demonstrate any morsemanship nor to use it in any transmission mode then...or afterwards. That afterwards included transmitting on many more parts of the EM spectrum than is allowed to U.S. radio amateurs. One thing I have learned in the last half century is that our government CAN and DOES accept cogent arguments on changing existing regulations to better suit all citizens. At the same time I also learned that there is a large body of citizenry that absolutely forbids any thought of changing "their" beloved standards and practices in legislated law! :-) Dave thinks you've "sided" with me. I'm on Dave's ****list from years ago. :-) Well, that's between you and Dave. Apparently he can't make that distinction. He sure can't. :-) |
From: John Smith on Aug 27, 5:00 pm
Len: Little boys who never grow up only have their fairy tale dreams, how could it be different--it is obvious from the get-go that they dream they are secret agents fighting some secret war. They imagine themselves important "radio operatives", not ever realizing the gov't has let old, retired, decrepit men dream they are still vitally important as they have been warehoused in "amateur service." That's a tad harsh, John. Close, though. Ham radio is essentially a solo operation: One man, one radio, listening a lot to assorted radio signals...and natural/man-made noise. There's ample opportunity to start imagining things, even to reading "signals" in natural noise. With OOK CW the ONLY clue they have to the other operator is the kind of keying they use/do, the so-called "fist". OOK CW has NO other clue as to that other person, no voice tone, no expression, no body language, nothing of what we in-person humans use to base social interaction on...just the absolute formality of certain procedures, jargon, abbreviations. That other operator could be of another gender and there is NO clue as to which one with OOK CW. That alienation to normal other-person input can be responsible for some of the strident bigotry about morsemanship...a defense AGAINST having to conform as humans in social, in-person situations. With a minimum of normal human clues to others, they can be whatever they want to be, whatever they dream about, the emobdiment of their internal fantasies. Who is to tell with OOK CW? All the normal human clues are missing in such interaction. In much the same way is computer-modem communications. All we have is words on a screen. The "clues" to what another person is like is dependent on how well they can compose sentences, communicate ideas and feelings. Not all have such capabilities. It is similar to OOK CW morse code but has at least one approximation of human- interaction clue, the representation of speech. Voice is a NATURAL thing in human interaction, all races, all genders, any nation. Monotonic sound patterns are NOT natural for communications, not a part of our natural behavior. No longer can they tell reality from the dream, they are either unable or unwilling to face the stark reality--it would be too painful... now they must be left to hide within this dream world, they no longer have the courage to face the truth... strange, but it probably all started out with everyone wanting to be nice to them, but it became an evil and diabolical trap to the demise of their credibility and respectability... There are many psychological causes for a retreat into a fantasy world. They might not be able to handle the pressures of reality. They might be too ego-driven to accept change if they've become good at some old procedure...and need that to retain their sense of self-worth. They might be just fraudulent individuals seeking prestige under a fantasy identification; personal income is not always monetary. They might be just nuts. No one takes any joy in such a sorrowful thing... Certain other individuals in this newsgroup have. They have openly wished others dead and thought nothing of it. That's perverted. I've found enormous satisfaction in the entire technologic field of radio-electronics, so much so that it has been my work as well as hobby; one need not be licensed to build/experiment/explore if the RF radiation is below government-specified standards. All of electronics has been continuosly evolving, changing, IMPROVING, opening up new vistas of technology in other fields, a working- together of techno trades that benefit all. It is insane to have to confine oneself to certain old procedures and standards in a hobby endeavor, to have to behave in such utter formality of everything. Amateur radio is NOT a job, not a guild, not a craft of professionals. Neither is it some specific national resource or a "service" for/of/about the nation. It is basically a HOBBY, personal interest for recreation in a radio area that requires licensing due to the nature of EM waves and human legislation to regulate such EM wave uses. I will be happy if more people recognize that amateur radio IS a hobby and not some mythical "service" to their own imaginations and desires for personal glory and misguided self-patriotism. On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:25:14 -0700, wrote: From: K4YZ on Aug 27, 7:32 am (N0IMD in yet another drag) wrote: text removed since it has already been posted in public |
K0HB:
Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most of the authors strike me as being rather weak in math and especially in the area of probability and statistics--quite possibly lotus-blossom-eaters. First, just for starters, to get all the necessary elements formed into the complex amino acids to create the RNA is preposterous--let alone the actual creation of the RNA (and this would only be a virus--unable to replicate on its own.) Next, to get a complex DNA structure would be another extraordinary event, for the proper structure (organism) to be present and form around the DNA AND be able to use the DNA would be another extraordinary event, for this organism to be able to replicate would be one more extraordinary event, for just one of these single celled organisms to go "multi-cellular" would be one more extraordinary event, then for each cell to develop specialized functions--another extraordinary event, for them to form complete organs handling a specific function--another extraordinary event.... AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO RIGHT ON UP TO WHERE THE ORGANISM IS CAPABLE OF SELF-REALIZATION, COMPLEX THOUGHT AND CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE A SPIRIT! .... as you can quickly see, this chain of impossible, seemingly endlessly numbered and impossible links of extraordinary events to have all occurred, all at just the right time, all in just the proper order is just too mathematically impossible to have any believe but those willing to believe the most preposterous impossibility which could ever be devised... in plain english--IT IS IMPOSSIBLE--END OF STORY! Those books on the subject, start quickly to, toss around these CHAINS of extraordinary events without the slightest considerations to the mathematical possibilities, which end up being NON-EXISTENT! I had the fortune to have a mathematics professor who I worked with at the university, who obtained a grant and was into computing these possibilities, he WAS an atheist... and that is a true story! In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for angels or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)... I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too impossible... perhaps the answers are out there... X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background .... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just have not thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another... John On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:03:50 +0000, KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote If I was forced to guess, a beginning without the intervention of an intelligence with a plan I would venture is impossible, someone obviously "made" us... Are you from Kansas? Evolution is (in my mind) too fuzzy a term, because it has become popularized to imply a lock-step progression from "lower to higher". I subscribe to the basic premise ("natural selection") but I believe it to be a stochastic process in which some randomly scattered "lucky breaks" occured. For a good read, go to a good university library and check out "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins (Oxford) and "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies (University of Adelaide). 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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