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Dave Heil wrote:

Intimidating Leonard H. Anderson? How does one intimidate a piranha?
Len began personal attacks long before he got on the receiving end.
Discussion of moderating a newsgroup is not a forbidden subject.

I remember well when Leneoard was all upset that some regular poster
here decided to meet on 40m CW. Len probably considered his right of
free speech to be violated in that instance. Of course he was wrong.

The fact is that your claim that Jim Miccolis prevented Len from posting
here is utter nonsense. You're becoming well known for nonsense.

Dave K8MN

The fact is that there are two sides to every story, and you clowns
think you own both. You don't. Get used to it.

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K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical
insulting demeanor. What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to
prevent Len from making those comments.

The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What you
said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...Heil sails the river denial again.

Denial, old bean? The words were there for everyone to read. Brian
claimed one thing and then rapidly backpedals to another position.

No back-pedalling, old has bean. Don't forget who was discussing
moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose.

You seem to have lost track of your own posted writings, Brian.

You seem to love playing stupid.

...and you, apparently, are not playing at it. You charged that Jim
prevented Len Anderson from commenting. There's no truth in your claim.

There's truth that the four morsemen have tried through intimidation,
personal attacks, and talk of moderating the group and excluding
non-amateurs.

By all appearances, the "Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse" want to
exclude all but PCTAs in this newsgroup.

They do so with charges of "stupidity" and "errors" and some
uncivil remarks including labels of "piranha" and "Foghorn Lenhorn"
and "little electrolytic acolyte" and other endearing terms. Then
they get upset by others calling them names. The PCTA extra Double
Standard is always invoked in their postings.

Case in point is James Miccolis constant statement of "that's
just plain wrong" in regards to others' opinions...as if he were
the sole judge of what is right and wrong. Then there is his
(macro) paragraph of denunciation of my postings with uncivil
terms in it, repeated and repeated on his whim.

By the way, tell us who was discussing moderating and closing the
newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose.

Do your own homework.

My homework? You made mention of something but you don't care to be
specific. The matter remains unsubstantiated by you.

best of luck.

Heil forgets that I've openly SUGGESTED to the PCTA to get their own
MODERATED newsgroup. That way they can be assured of proper Group
Think and not be bothered by opposing opinions from non-PCTA folk.

This newsgroup is UNmoderated and that is how most feel it should
be.

But...Heil is easily upset and so he must VENT in here. Lacking
valid arguments on SUBJECTS he attempts personal attack by constant
reference to non-licensed amateurs' postings as if those were "not
allowed." Heil acts the bigot on newsgroup participation.

Heil (who claims to be a linguist of Hunnish) forgot, in another
post, that the fictious name of "Dudley" was used by author Earnest
K. Gann in his book, "Fate Is The Hunter." [my mention in here]
Frank Gilliland and I used another fictitious name of "Dudly" in
reference to another, a military pretender in here. There was no
misspelling of "Dudley" at all, just the use of "Dudly" to
differentiate from Gann's original name use. A shortened form of
"Dudly" is "Dud" which also fits that other, the pretender.

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K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical
insulting demeanor. What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt

to

prevent Len from making those comments.

The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What

you

said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...Heil sails the river denial again.

Denial, old bean? The words were there for everyone to read. Brian
claimed one thing and then rapidly backpedals to another position.

No back-pedalling, old has bean. Don't forget who was discussing
moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose.

You seem to have lost track of your own posted writings, Brian.

You seem to love playing stupid.

...and you, apparently, are not playing at it. You charged that Jim
prevented Len Anderson from commenting. There's no truth in your claim.

There's truth that the four morsemen have tried through intimidation,
personal attacks, and talk of moderating the group and excluding
non-amateurs.

Intimidating Leonard H. Anderson? How does one intimidate a piranha?
Len began personal attacks long before he got on the receiving end.
Discussion of moderating a newsgroup is not a forbidden subject.

I remember well when Leneoard was all upset that some regular poster
here decided to meet on 40m CW. Len probably considered his right of
free speech to be violated in that instance. Of course he was wrong.

The fact is that your claim that Jim Miccolis prevented Len from posting
here is utter nonsense. You're becoming well known for nonsense.

Dave K8MN

You *should* work on your audio, supposed "well known DX-er." For example, when
you checked into that 3.865 net, it sounded like crap. Must be the cheap radios
on your end.

I guess you're anonymous on the net as well as usenet. Maybe you'll
figure out a way to use two anonymous callsigns to disguise yourself.

Take your medications, Roger. Get plenty of sleep. Tell the doctor if
the voices begin talking to you again.

Dave K8MN

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

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Hey Frank...

You gonna let other people fight your fights for you?

I mean, after all, you made a point of chiding Dave Heil for
speaking on my behalf.

(Snickersnickersnickersnicker.....)

Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by
yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or
an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available
or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in
the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ......

I know more than you think.

you'd have to know more than he think you do, or for that matter than I
think you do.

I know a lot more than both of your together, no doubt.

OTOH no one is likely to find out what you might know under all the
Bull#### you spew forth

This is great!

A disgraced, twice court martialed, one enlistment, sick-bay
commando being "defended" by a never served, mentally deficient,
lied-about-being-a-colonel who admits to intentional deceit and deviant
behaviour!

Wadda pair!

Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a
ham?

It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible"
attitude shows...

that is you balliwick Stevie

Nope.

You used to try
and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with
almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out
of -this- thread.

If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in
response to MARKIE'S frequent changes.

So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise....

As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour...

Brothers? really now you are charting new ground in your delusions

Nope.

Brothers summs it up nicely.

or is it just another Stevie lie

Nope.

Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your
ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an
intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you
can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from
bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else.
You fell off your pedestal, Dudly.

I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone.

big whooper

"whopper"

Nope.

Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS,
Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of
things.

hmm you have made major admissiions in the last week been caught lying
again yea very little in the scheme of things

I've made NO "admissions", major or minor, Markie.

YOU have tried to draw conclusions based upon faulty or irrelevent
statements...In MOST cases you site as "quotes" words that you don't
actually QUOTE...

Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out
to be...

Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have
simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you
could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me
and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof
that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because
they have no interest in defending your lies.

What lies?

one the lie that you were going to killfile some of us

Some of you are.

Usually when you get into serious rant mode I just let you ramble
on until it's time to get into it again.

Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single
one, Frankie.

of course we have

No, you've not.

And thanks for YOUR "admission" of BEING in the Feeble Five,
Markie!

No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military
records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to
records that verify my having served.

more stevie lies

Where?

That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only
one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate
to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized
it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly.

Nice try again, Frankie.

You're getting lame.

you have already admitted to being disabled and then denied it was
pyscial so course it is mental as you are showing right now

"Physical"

No, it's not "mental", Markie.

And had I had a discharge from the Armed Forces for mental defect,
I would NOT have been allowed to ahve a Nursing license.

That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be
proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do
what you promised you'd do.

Failed?

Yes, FAILED.

Remember a couple of weeks ago YOUR lame efforts to suggest I had
violated an Oath to Defend the Constitution of the United States,
Markie?

Well Farankie had to take that SAME oath...and IN that oath HE
swore to obey the orders of those appointed above him.

He didn't do it.

Gee I would say being court marialed would make someone better suited
to comment on such, Not that I would value such experence to go through
it for nothing

"martialed"

I never needed to go through a court martial to learn that one
would be humiliating and would be a smear on my character for the rest
of my life, Markie...

I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of
the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a
single black mark in my SRB.

yea you were somekind kiss ### of course

Nope. I caught heat on a lot of occassions because I took a stand
on issues that I thoght were critical to do so on...

But there's a WAY and a MEANS to effecting that stand without
getting court martialed.

Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned.

you do think a lot of yourself and of this medium

It was Frankie's rant, Markie...

And I'm not the one carrying TWO court martials.

Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served.

I already have.

proven nothing Stevie

Proven that you and your Feeble Five Brothers are lairs and
cowards, Markie...especially Frankie who CLAIMS to have these great
resources at his disposal, yet can't seem to search them

You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps,
Gilliland...

...yawn.

And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine.

indeed shows he grew up and moved on

Nope.

He's here.

He's still a disgraced, court martialed, EX-Marine.

Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily
disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental
illness"...

you are the one going about mental illness threats to call folks

What threats? Call whom?

Steve, K4YZ

John Smith wrote:
K0HB:

Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most of the authors
strike me as being rather weak in math and especially in the area of
probability and statistics--quite possibly lotus-blossom-eaters.

It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is"

First, just for starters, to get all the necessary elements formed into
the complex amino acids to create the RNA is preposterous--let alone the
actual creation of the RNA (and this would only be a virus--unable to
replicate on its own.)

Why no, it really isn't preposterous.

What are the titles of your books?

Next, to get a complex DNA structure would be
another extraordinary event, for the proper structure (organism) to be
present and form around the DNA AND be able to use the DNA would be
another extraordinary event, for this organism to be able to replicate
would be one more extraordinary event, for just one of these single celled
organisms to go "multi-cellular" would be one more extraordinary event,
then for each cell to develop specialized functions--another extraordinary
event, for them to form complete organs handling a specific
function--another extraordinary event.... AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO
RIGHT ON UP TO WHERE THE ORGANISM IS CAPABLE OF SELF-REALIZATION, COMPLEX
THOUGHT AND CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE A SPIRIT!

You are off the scientific track to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't
use the string of "Preposterous, Extraordinary, impossible, endlessly
number, impossible links, Impossible- end of story" stuff.

Want to see a few things that are interesting?

Look up lipid structures, and see their likely early life implications.
No miracles here, just simple chemistry.

You speak of RNA and DNA. When speaking of origins of life, it is
probably better to speak of metabolic pathways, as the DNA and RNA
probably evolved to accommodate them.

And are they complicated!

see http://tinyurl.com/dm8hu

This is a pdf file of the various metabolic pathways. While the major
ones are ATP and glycolysis, there are many.

Now whereas you may look at this chart, and say look how complicated!
this is proof that we are created by God!, I look at it and say "What
kind of God would create such a sloppy convoluted MESS!"

I can only speak for myself, but if I were to create life, I would
leave no doubt that it was created. There would be no processes, no
interconnected pathways, nothing of the sort.

My creatures would see because I made them see, would think because
they just do, and there would be no obvious source of life - cut one of
them open, and inside would be nothing.

A genuine miracle. Simple, and allowing of no argument.

... as you can quickly see, this chain of impossible, seemingly endlessly
numbered and impossible links of extraordinary events to have all
occurred, all at just the right time, all in just the proper order is just
too mathematically impossible to have any believe but those willing to
believe the most preposterous impossibility which could ever be devised...
in plain english--IT IS IMPOSSIBLE--END OF STORY!

You try to make it much more complicated sounding than it is.

Those books on the subject, start quickly to, toss around these CHAINS of
extraordinary events without the slightest considerations to the
mathematical possibilities, which end up being NON-EXISTENT!

What were those books again?

I had the fortune to have a mathematics professor who I worked with at the
university, who obtained a grant and was into computing these
possibilities, he WAS an atheist... and that is a true story!

In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)...

I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too impossible...
perhaps the answers are out there...
X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background

... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just have not
thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another...

Well, the simplest answer is "All this comes from God". Simple, to the
point, and the great thing is that once you accept this, you need look
no further. You are her to worship him, and that is all the knowledge
needed.

If you want more, if the one liner answer is not enough, I would
suggest that you add time to your equations of impossibility.

As for your math professor, I wonder if he had the concept of time on
the billion year scale? Almost no one does.

How is it that the human has eyes? An exquisite organ of sense to be
sure. But before we throw up our hands and say that it was too
complicated a structure to have simply come about by chance, we might
want to take a look at the facts.

Phototropism exists at the lowest levels of life. There are bacteria in
the ocean that adjust the level at which they "swim" by the amount of
ambient light falling on them. It is a pretty simple thing. Various
creatures make use of this in varying degrees of complexity, from simple
organs that react to light coming from different directions, to simple
lensed eyes, to multi lensed wonders that detect movement, to reflective
layers behind the sensing structure that allow sight at the individual
photon level. As well as our eyes, which although wonderful, are not at
the top of the list for acuity.

But at it's root level, it *is* a simple thing. That's phototropism. A
chemical reaction that would exist if there were no life to put it in.

That is just one case. The other senses are also similarly simply
based. All based on detection of energy sources, and using those sources
to extract information from the environment.

Just like looking at a modern automobile. While they look very
complicated, at heart, they are just a compilation of simple machines.

This is in no way to say that life is not a wonderful and amazing
thing. It is. It is a messy, complicated, unruly, terribly imperfect yet
surprisingly resilient gastraphagus we have here.

And yet, some people look at it, and some throw their arms in the air
and say that "It is so complex! It could only have been created by
God!". While I look at it and say "It is so complex! I doubt any God
would create such a mess when under his total control, a simple life
form could be created".

It is worth study with an open mind. When you work on the billion year
time scale, all sorts of possibilities exist.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Cmdr Buzz corey wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"John Smith" wrote

In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for
angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT
from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)...

The only thing that I can think of which is more impossible to believe
than "mud became man" is angels that just "were".

73, de Hans, K0HB

So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it
had no beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning,
the what was before that?

Personally, I suspect that answer may be hard to come by. My own
beliefs are that we are going to have to meld Big Bang and Steady State
together.

Big Bang has still not found Proton decay, which to me is a fatal flaw.
Steady State as it was thought of in the past, just doesn't hold up to
what we know today.

Certainly the idea of pre-Big Bang "foam" is interesting, but of
course, what was there before the "foam"? Was there a previous universe?
Given that the conditions and constants of the Universe were set by the
Big Bang, there isn't much doubt that any previous universe would have
been much different.

Where might the energy from these
universe/singularity/universe/singularity/universes have come from.

Perhaps the quantum world may give us some answers. Perhaps zero point
energy may have played a part.

- mike KB3EIA -

KØHB wrote:

"Cmdr Buzz corey" wrote

So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it had no
beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning, the what was
before that?

Since there was no universe, there was no time. If there was no time, there
obviously was no "before".

That is beginning to sound like "faith" Hans! (ducking and running)

Unfortunately, we can't just go on that idea. There are plenty enough
possibilites for what happened before the "Big Bang".

For a singularity (Big Bang precipitating event) to exist, there needs
to be something for it to exist *from*. Unless you propose the mother of
all zero point energy events. Of course, there must be something to have
a ZPE event from!

But there is always something.

Turtles all the way down!

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

K0HB:

There is no such thing as time... time is something humans make up to
deal with their universe--there is only movement...

Read the Book "The End of Time". Cecil W5DXP turned me on to that.

Frankly, I don't quite buy the idea. The author throws away a lot of
concepts we have today that are explainable within the context of what
we already know. IOW, simple answers exist for things that he invents a
new universe for. Occams razor thrown out with the bathwater, so to speak.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Cmdr Buzz corey wrote:

John Smith wrote:

In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for
angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)...

I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too impossible...
perhaps the answers are out there...
X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background

... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just have not
thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another...

John

The balance between the universe (as we know it) existing and not
existing is very delicate. Take the gravitional constant (the force of
gravity). If the gravitional constant were larger, stars would form no
bigger than the earth and would burn up in a very short time (less than
a year). If the gravitional constant were smaller, expansion of matter
would proceed at such a fast pace that gravity could not keep stars
together and ignite nuclear burning of their cores.

So how did this force of gravity come to be just the right amount of
force to allow creation of stars and planets? By accident or by design?

A question not likely to be answered anytime soon, if ever, but curious
minds want to know.

Sure enough.

Of course, the only uninverses that could allow sentient beings to
exist are those that emerge with conditions that do indeed allow that.
There is some thought that embyonic universes may pop into existance all
the time, but most have conditions, constants if you will, that do not
allow for their continued existance.

This may mean that in the universes that can exist, the conditions will
probably be similar enough that life can also exist.

Gotta love it!

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Nomen Nescio wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:

Ethan Jones wrote:

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From: Dave Heil on Aug 28, 9:04 am

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K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical
insulting demeanor. What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt

to

prevent Len from making those comments.

The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What

you

said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...Heil sails the river denial again.

Denial, old bean? The words were there for everyone to read. Brian
claimed one thing and then rapidly backpedals to another position.

No back-pedalling, old has bean. Don't forget who was discussing
moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose.

You seem to have lost track of your own posted writings, Brian.

You seem to love playing stupid.

...and you, apparently, are not playing at it. You charged that Jim
prevented Len Anderson from commenting. There's no truth in your claim.

There's truth that the four morsemen have tried through intimidation,
personal attacks, and talk of moderating the group and excluding
non-amateurs.

Intimidating Leonard H. Anderson? How does one intimidate a piranha?
Len began personal attacks long before he got on the receiving end.
Discussion of moderating a newsgroup is not a forbidden subject.

I remember well when Leneoard was all upset that some regular poster
here decided to meet on 40m CW. Len probably considered his right of
free speech to be violated in that instance. Of course he was wrong.

The fact is that your claim that Jim Miccolis prevented Len from posting
here is utter nonsense. You're becoming well known for nonsense.

Dave K8MN

You *should* work on your audio, supposed "well known DX-er." For example,

when

you checked into that 3.865 net, it sounded like crap. Must be the cheap

radios

on your end.

I guess you're anonymous on the net as well as usenet. Maybe you'll
figure out a way to use two anonymous callsigns to disguise yourself.

Maybe you'll figure out something for once and it will be a first. You sure
can't figure out how to get good audio.

Take your medications, Roger. Get plenty of sleep. Tell the doctor if
the voices begin talking to you again.

Who's Roger, you utterly stupid man?

He's living proof that no man is a total loss. Roger serves as a
horrible example.

It sounds like you are on some medications
yourself.

You're hearing sounds?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
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It sounds like you are on some medications
yourself.

You're hearing sounds?

Of course he hearing sounds what do you expect that he smell them
instead. Indeed the only thing anyone hear is sound

Dave K8MN

Michael Coslo wrote:
Cmdr Buzz corey wrote:

K=D8HB wrote:

"John Smith" wrote

In fact, it was this professor who first told me
to look either for
angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on
the angels (intelligence NOT
from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon
an earth-like planet)...

The only thing that I can think of which is more
impossible to believe
than "mud became man" is angels that just "were".

So where did all the matter in the universe
orginially come from? If it
had no beginning, the it just "was".
If it did indeed have a beginning,
the what was before that?

Maybe nothing.

Most humans consider time to be something that goes from
here to there, giving meaning to concepts such as "before",
"after", "simultaneously", etc. Such a timeview is based on
their experience, limited as it is.

But consider this:

Go outside on a clear night and look for a star. Suppose for discussion
sake you look at a star that is 300 light years
away.

From our point of view, the light you see originated at the star in the
year 1705, and has been traveling to the Earth for three centuries.

But from the point of view of the photons that make up that starlight,
*no* time elapsed between the creation of the photons at the star and
their end on your retinas. No time at all.

How can the same thing have two so completely different times of
existence?

(note that in this context "light" means EM radiation of all
sorts, from "radio" to gamma rays)

Personally, I suspect that answer may be hard to come by.
My own
beliefs are that we are going to have to meld Big Bang
and Steady State
together.

Big Bang has still not found Proton decay, which to me
is a fatal flaw.
Steady State as it was thought of in the past, just
doesn't hold up to
what we know today.

Certainly the idea of pre-Big Bang "foam" is interesting,
but of
course, what was there before the "foam"? Was there a
previous universe?
Given that the conditions and constants of the Universe were
set by the
Big Bang, there isn't much doubt that any previous universe
would have been much different.

Maybe - or maybe not!

One thing we assume - IOW, take completely on faith - is that
the "laws of physics" are time- and place-invariant. We look at
light from distant quasars and galaxies that has come to us from
billions of light years distance and time, and we *assume* that
the laws of physics are exactly the same across all that time
and all that distance.

We assume it because there's no evidence to the contrary.

So maybe the laws of physics do *not* change from Big Bang to Big
Crunch to Big Bang II, etc. Perhaps they are truly eternal and
omnipresent...just as the Supreme Being is described to be.

That doesn't mean the Supreme Being is only the laws of physics.

Where might the energy from these
universe/singularity/universe/singularity/universes have come
from.

Perhaps the quantum world may give us some answers.
Perhaps zero point
energy may have played a part.

Exactly.

Or maybe there's a whole bunch of physical laws yet to be discovered.

Consider how recently concepts like relativity, electromagnetism, and
this thing we call radio have been understood by humans, compared to
the age of the earth or the amount of time humans have lived on it. And
in such a short time, some folks think they
have it all figured out? That's almost funny!

73 de Jim, N@EY

Michael Coslo wrote:
John Smith wrote:
K0HB:

Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most
of the authors
strike me as being rather weak in math and especially
in the area of
probability and statistics--quite possibly
lotus-blossom-eaters.

For some it is easier to attack the thinker than
to disprove the idea....

It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is"

The hard part is defining what is meant by "God"...

First, just for starters, to get all the necessary elements
formed into
the complex amino acids to create the RNA is preposterous--
let alone the
actual creation of the RNA (and this would only be a virus--
unable to
replicate on its own.)

Why no, it really isn't preposterous.

What are the titles of your books?

Next, to get a complex DNA structure would be
another extraordinary event, for the proper structure
(organism) to be
present and form around the DNA AND be able to use the DNA
would be
another extraordinary event, for this organism to be
able to replicate
would be one more extraordinary event, for just one of these single celled
organisms to go "multi-cellular" would be one more
extraordinary event,
then for each cell to develop specialized functions--another extraordinary
event, for them to form complete organs handling a specific
function--another extraordinary event.... AND THIS IS
SUPPOSED TO GO
RIGHT ON UP TO WHERE THE ORGANISM IS CAPABLE OF SELF-
REALIZATION, COMPLEX
THOUGHT AND CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE A SPIRIT!

At times like this, it's important to recall the
Unnamed Law:

"If it happens, it must be possible"

You are off the scientific track to begin with, otherwise
you wouldn't
use the string of "Preposterous, Extraordinary, impossible,
endlessly
number, impossible links, Impossible- end of story" stuff.

What's really missing in those statements is imagination.

Look at your PC or Mac. Then look at pictures of ENIAC (or actually go
see it, as I have done...)

Could anyone imagine that today's PCs are the direct descendants
of that machine? Yet they are, after just 60 years

Want to see a few things that are interesting?

Look up lipid structures, and see their likely early life implications.
No miracles here, just simple chemistry.

You speak of RNA and DNA. When speaking of origins of
life, it is
probably better to speak of metabolic pathways, as the DNA and RNA
probably evolved to accommodate them.

And are they complicated!

see http://tinyurl.com/dm8hu

This is a pdf file of the various metabolic pathways. While the major
ones are ATP and glycolysis, there are many.

Now whereas you may look at this chart, and say look how complicated!
this is proof that we are created by God!, I look at it and
say "What
kind of God would create such a sloppy convoluted MESS!"

"You see, to be quite frank, Kevin, the fabric of the universe
is far from perfect. It was a bit of botched job, you see. We
only had seven days to make it. And that's where this comes in.
This is the only map of all the holes. Well, why repair them?
Why not use them to get stinking rich?"

I can only speak for myself, but if I were to create
life, I would
leave no doubt that it was created. There would be no
processes, no
interconnected pathways, nothing of the sort.

"God is not interested in technology... He knows nothing of
the potential of the micro-chip or the silicon revolution.
He's obsessed with making the grass grow and getting
rainbows right... Look at what he spends his time on.
43 species of parrot! Nipples for men! Slugs! HE created slugs! They
can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not
in the hands of a lunatic?

If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and
daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!"

My creatures would see because I made them see, would think
because
they just do, and there would be no obvious source of life -
cut one of
them open, and inside would be nothing.

A genuine miracle. Simple, and allowing of no argument.

Is not life-as-we-know-it a genuine miracle, regardless of
how it came about?

... as you can quickly see, this chain of impossible,
seemingly endlessly
numbered and impossible links of extraordinary events to have all
occurred, all at just the right time, all in just the proper order is just
too mathematically impossible to have any believe but those
willing to
believe the most preposterous impossibility which could ever be devised...
in plain english--IT IS IMPOSSIBLE--END OF STORY!

You try to make it much more complicated sounding than it is.

What you're seeing in those statements is a lack of imagination.
Plus a failure to comprehend how long a billion years is...

Those books on the subject, start quickly to, toss around
these CHAINS of
extraordinary events without the slightest considerations to the
mathematical possibilities, which end up being NON-EXISTENT!

What were those books again?

"If it happens, it must be possible"

I had the fortune to have a mathematics professor who I
worked with at the
university, who obtained a grant and was into computing these
possibilities, he WAS an atheist... and that is a true
story!

Must have read Oolon Coolophid's "Well That About Wraps It Up For
God"...

In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look
either for angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels
(intelligence NOT from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like
planet)...

I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too
impossible...
perhaps the answers are out there...
X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background

... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just
have not
thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another...

Well, the simplest answer is "All this comes from God".
Simple, to the
point, and the great thing is that once you accept this, you
need look
no further. You are her to worship him, and that is all the
knowledge needed.

I've got a two-liner that works for me:

Science is the how
God is the why

If you want more, if the one liner answer is not enough, I would
suggest that you add time to your equations of impossibility.

Also the size of the earth.

As for your math professor, I wonder if he had the concept of
time on
the billion year scale? Almost no one does.

Worse, too many don't realize they don't know.

How is it that the human has eyes? An exquisite organ of sense to be
sure. But before we throw up our hands and say that it was too
complicated a structure to have simply come about by chance, we might
want to take a look at the facts.

Phototropism exists at the lowest levels of life. There are bacteria in
the ocean that adjust the level at which they "swim" by the amount of
ambient light falling on them. It is a pretty simple thing. Various
creatures make use of this in varying degrees of complexity, from simple
organs that react to light coming from different directions, to simple
lensed eyes, to multi lensed wonders that detect movement, to reflective
layers behind the sensing structure that allow sight at the
individual
photon level. As well as our eyes, which although wonderful,
are not at
the top of the list for acuity.

And in the oceans are creatures who have lost the ability
to see, because in their environment it's pretty useless.

Some forms of life have senses we don't - like migratory birds that can
sense the earth's magnetism.

But at it's root level, it *is* a simple thing. That's
phototropism. A
chemical reaction that would exist if there were no life to put it in.

That is just one case. The other senses are also similarly
simply
based. All based on detection of energy sources, and using
those sources
to extract information from the environment.

Just like looking at a modern automobile. While they look very
complicated, at heart, they are just a compilation of simple
machines.

They're also the end product of a long series of small developments.

This is in no way to say that life is not a wonderful and
amazing
thing. It is. It is a messy, complicated, unruly, terribly
imperfect yet
surprisingly resilient gastraphagus we have here.

And yet, some people look at it, and some throw their arms in
the air
and say that "It is so complex! It could only have been created by
God!". While I look at it and say "It is so complex! I doubt
any God
would create such a mess when under his total control, a simple life form could be created".

I doubt that anyone on this planet really knows. We're just at
the beginning in so many ways. Consider how recently things like
infectious disease, vaccines and basic metabolism were understood.
And yet some people think they are qualified to say what is "too
complex"? That's almost funny.

It is worth study with an open mind. When you work on the
billion year
time scale, all sorts of possibilities exist.

Yup.

One more thing is unknown: Is the biology we know the only one
possible, or are there many possibilities, and Earth just has one of
them?

73 de Jim, N2EY

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

cut

It sounds like you are on some medications
yourself.

You're hearing sounds?

Of course he hearing sounds what do you expect that he smell them
instead. Indeed the only thing anyone hear is sound

Great, Mark, you're hearing sounds on usenet too? I sit here reading
words. The computer isn't making a single sound. Did you read what the
semi-anonymous Roger wrote, or did you just decide to jump in with both
feet inserted in your yap?

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
ink.net...
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

cut

It sounds like you are on some medications
yourself.

You're hearing sounds?

Of course he hearing sounds what do you expect that he smell them
instead. Indeed the only thing anyone hear is sound

...and this comment from an obviously underadvanced intellect said what?
...."he smell them"? "he hearing sounds"?

Well, I be hearing you, bro. Unnerstan whut I be sayin?

wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

John Smith wrote:

K0HB:

Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most
of the authors
strike me as being rather weak in math and especially
in the area of
probability and statistics--quite possibly
lotus-blossom-eaters.

For some it is easier to attack the thinker than
to disprove the idea....

It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is"

The hard part is defining what is meant by "God"...

Not for those who want the easy answer. There are plenty enough people
who are just slap happy to tell us that!

First, just for starters, to get all the necessary elements
formed into
the complex amino acids to create the RNA is preposterous--
let alone the
actual creation of the RNA (and this would only be a virus--
unable to
replicate on its own.)

Why no, it really isn't preposterous.

What are the titles of your books?

Next, to get a complex DNA structure would be
another extraordinary event, for the proper structure
(organism) to be
present and form around the DNA AND be able to use the DNA
would be
another extraordinary event, for this organism to be
able to replicate
would be one more extraordinary event, for just one of these single celled
organisms to go "multi-cellular" would be one more
extraordinary event,
then for each cell to develop specialized functions--another extraordinary
event, for them to form complete organs handling a specific
function--another extraordinary event.... AND THIS IS
SUPPOSED TO GO
RIGHT ON UP TO WHERE THE ORGANISM IS CAPABLE OF SELF-
REALIZATION, COMPLEX
THOUGHT AND CONSIDERS ITSELF TO HAVE A SPIRIT!

At times like this, it's important to recall the
Unnamed Law:

"If it happens, it must be possible"

You are off the scientific track to begin with, otherwise
you wouldn't
use the string of "Preposterous, Extraordinary, impossible,
endlessly
number, impossible links, Impossible- end of story" stuff.

What's really missing in those statements is imagination.

Look at your PC or Mac. Then look at pictures of ENIAC (or actually go
see it, as I have done...)

Could anyone imagine that today's PCs are the direct descendants
of that machine? Yet they are, after just 60 years

Want to see a few things that are interesting?

Look up lipid structures, and see their likely early life implications.
No miracles here, just simple chemistry.

You speak of RNA and DNA. When speaking of origins of
life, it is
probably better to speak of metabolic pathways, as the DNA and RNA
probably evolved to accommodate them.

And are they complicated!

see http://tinyurl.com/dm8hu

This is a pdf file of the various metabolic pathways. While the major
ones are ATP and glycolysis, there are many.

Now whereas you may look at this chart, and say look how complicated!
this is proof that we are created by God!, I look at it and
say "What
kind of God would create such a sloppy convoluted MESS!"

"You see, to be quite frank, Kevin, the fabric of the universe
is far from perfect. It was a bit of botched job, you see. We
only had seven days to make it. And that's where this comes in.
This is the only map of all the holes. Well, why repair them?
Why not use them to get stinking rich?"

Hitchhikers guide?

I can only speak for myself, but if I were to create
life, I would
leave no doubt that it was created. There would be no
processes, no
interconnected pathways, nothing of the sort.

"God is not interested in technology... He knows nothing of
the potential of the micro-chip or the silicon revolution.
He's obsessed with making the grass grow and getting
rainbows right... Look at what he spends his time on.
43 species of parrot! Nipples for men! Slugs! HE created slugs! They
can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not
in the hands of a lunatic?

If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and
daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!"

My creatures would see because I made them see, would think
because
they just do, and there would be no obvious source of life -
cut one of
them open, and inside would be nothing.

A genuine miracle. Simple, and allowing of no argument.

Is not life-as-we-know-it a genuine miracle, regardless of
how it came about?

Sure! But not the same kind of miracle. Ours is a miracle of different
processes. We live because of various chemical reactions, taking energy
and transforming it into ourselves.

No, I'm talking about life that takes in no energy, and no apparent
support structure. It just IS. The life forms should be just sacks of
goo that have no obvious reason to be alive. They just are. There would
be no question that someone had to "make" that life.

... as you can quickly see, this chain of impossible,
seemingly endlessly
numbered and impossible links of extraordinary events to have all
occurred, all at just the right time, all in just the proper order is just
too mathematically impossible to have any believe but those
willing to
believe the most preposterous impossibility which could ever be devised...
in plain english--IT IS IMPOSSIBLE--END OF STORY!

You try to make it much more complicated sounding than it is.

What you're seeing in those statements is a lack of imagination.
Plus a failure to comprehend how long a billion years is...

There are moments where I believe that I can. At least for a few
minutes. Then I invariably get a headache! 8^)

Those books on the subject, start quickly to, toss around
these CHAINS of
extraordinary events without the slightest considerations to the
mathematical possibilities, which end up being NON-EXISTENT!

What were those books again?

"If it happens, it must be possible"

absolutely, and it is possible, it must happen.

I had the fortune to have a mathematics professor who I
worked with at the
university, who obtained a grant and was into computing these
possibilities, he WAS an atheist... and that is a true
story!

Must have read Oolon Coolophid's "Well That About Wraps It Up For
God"...

In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look
either for angels
or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels
(intelligence NOT from
a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like
planet)...

I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too
impossible...
perhaps the answers are out there...
X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background

... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just
have not
thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another...

Well, the simplest answer is "All this comes from God".
Simple, to the
point, and the great thing is that once you accept this, you
need look
no further. You are her to worship him, and that is all the
knowledge needed.

I've got a two-liner that works for me:

Science is the how
God is the why

Why? Insecurity that causes God to create you so that you worship him
because he needs worship, and if you don't he will torture you for eternity?

If you want more, if the one liner answer is not enough, I would
suggest that you add time to your equations of impossibility.

Also the size of the earth.

For some reason that reminds me of the natural "reactor that they found
in Africa. Seems that there was a concentration of Uranium ore that was
reacting a couple billion of years ago. Groundwater was acting as the
moderator. (at least the theory that sounds best to me)

The odds of that happening are pretty darn slight.

So I guess God must have done it for some reason.

http://tinyurl.com/5wth8

As for your math professor, I wonder if he had the concept of
time on
the billion year scale? Almost no one does.

Worse, too many don't realize they don't know.

Well, when you want to be certain of things, you have to know what you
don't know! ;^)

How is it that the human has eyes? An exquisite organ of sense to be
sure. But before we throw up our hands and say that it was too
complicated a structure to have simply come about by chance, we might
want to take a look at the facts.

Phototropism exists at the lowest levels of life. There are bacteria in
the ocean that adjust the level at which they "swim" by the amount of
ambient light falling on them. It is a pretty simple thing. Various
creatures make use of this in varying degrees of complexity, from simple
organs that react to light coming from different directions, to simple
lensed eyes, to multi lensed wonders that detect movement, to reflective
layers behind the sensing structure that allow sight at the
individual
photon level. As well as our eyes, which although wonderful,
are not at
the top of the list for acuity.

And in the oceans are creatures who have lost the ability
to see, because in their environment it's pretty useless.

Some forms of life have senses we don't - like migratory birds that can
sense the earth's magnetism.

But at it's root level, it *is* a simple thing. That's
phototropism. A
chemical reaction that would exist if there were no life to put it in.

That is just one case. The other senses are also similarly
simply
based. All based on detection of energy sources, and using
those sources
to extract information from the environment.

Just like looking at a modern automobile. While they look very
complicated, at heart, they are just a compilation of simple
machines.

They're also the end product of a long series of small developments.

This is in no way to say that life is not a wonderful and
amazing
thing. It is. It is a messy, complicated, unruly, terribly
imperfect yet
surprisingly resilient gastraphagus we have here.

And yet, some people look at it, and some throw their arms in
the air
and say that "It is so complex! It could only have been created by
God!". While I look at it and say "It is so complex! I doubt
any God
would create such a mess when under his total control, a simple life form could be created".

I doubt that anyone on this planet really knows. We're just at
the beginning in so many ways. Consider how recently things like
infectious disease, vaccines and basic metabolism were understood.
And yet some people think they are qualified to say what is "too
complex"? That's almost funny.

It is an admission of failure. Or hubris. Or a strange combination of
both. If something is too complex for someone to understand, that does
no mean it is too complex for me to understand. And vice versa.

It is worth study with an open mind. When you work on the
billion year
time scale, all sorts of possibilities exist.

Yup.

One more thing is unknown: Is the biology we know the only one
possible, or are there many possibilities, and Earth just has one of
them?

I think that the answer lies in the many metabolic pathways. And I
believe the answer is that there are a lot of possibilities.

Earth has two distinct forms of life already. There is plenty of room
for more.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Anonymous AB8MQ the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer"
spells:

“woamn”

“doens't” Dagnabbit, Timmy.

“hyurt”

“chcien****” You figure this one out.

“imginary” Hey, Rog. Another typo?

“asck” Sack or ask?

“Ultimte” Hooked on Phonics?

“greade” First or Second?

“attentiopn" Hooked on phonics, are we?

“copuple” Damn. Lloyd moved my keys around again.

“licvense” What Riley makes you retest for.

“havfe” Half? Halve? Have? Who knows.

“Baout” Bout? About?

“unsubstantiateed" It gets better…

“pompousity” Oops! Darn that keyboard, anyway!

“suergery” That is Devry for ya…

“aditting” Darn those typos!

“abckpedals" His greasy hair got in his eyes again

“shreeched” Wasn’t he the guy in a sit com? Screech?

“stuid” Pot calling the kettle black?

“heared” That’s West Virginia for heard.

“assuslted” Rog just makes em’ up as he goes along.

“experieince” Oh, DUH!

“abouve” Is this a French word?

“Cosast” Some place by a body of water?

“mebership”, Just a typo, right?

“retqards” Regards or Retards? Who can tell?

“coordinbator” Huh?

“Realy” Really?

“Nitoiced” Keyboard error or stupidity?

Becasue

Licence

Convienince

Myabe

“occurance” Say what?

“srtuggling”

“definatrely”

“delapidated” What a dufus.

“picutre”

“permenatly” Ebonics again?

“Arest” You need a rest, Wogie.

“Sentenceing” No comment.

“Narcotices” What?

“Undre” Is this a city in Germany?

“Surgeoun” And this would be?

“Commuications” Who is laughing at who?

“Ovre” Ovre and out!

“Wondreful” It’s a “wondreful” day in the neighborhood?

“Derivitave” Still no spell-checker, eh?

“You lose, **** for brians.” Woger showing who real loser is.

“Deisowned” Deis what?

“Deeppest” Roger strikes again.

“Dodgeing”. Is he talking about a car?

“Staedy” Steady?

“Linme” Transmission line?

“Getr” Nobody knows.

“Experieince” Wogie is good, ain’t he?

“Appropiate” What kind of opiate?

“Laywer” Lay what?

“Visitpors” You never have any, ergo you don’t know how to spell it.

“It's "complaintant," you sniveling weasel.” (Roger Wiseman on spelling
complainant.)

“Irreevant” Good going, Wogie.

“Forwared” Forward HO!

“Glady” Glad Bags?

“Neighborhod” It’s a wonderful day in Wogie’s neighborhood.

“Mena” Mean? What you mean, Wogie?

“Notr” Not?

“Sassifyed” ALA Rolling Stones…No Sassifaction..

“Fantasises” That is “fantasizes”, Wussman.

“Illarate” West BY GOD Virginny!

“Reveresed” Must be one of those off-brand keyboards.

“Soem”…as in Some? What a loser.

“VIRIN”…What Wogie was before he met the Lavender Lads.

“Minisule”…he mussa meant miniscule. Like his IQ.

“Champoin”…Whassup, Wiseman? No dictionaries in the mental ward?

"Anoinymous"...a cross between anonymous and annoying?

“Acident” Roger’s mom got preggers by accident.

“Alreaedy” Alright, already!

“Amouints” Roger amounts to nothing.

“Aposterphe” This guy is a hoot, ain’t he?

"Basios"...word Woger uses when he gets neeeerrrrvous.
"Behing"...a cross between being and behind?

“Coiward” As in peeking from behind his mommy’s curtains.
"Feamle"...I think he meant female.
"Losser"...only loser Roger can do it better.
"Ignroant"...typical, considering the source.
"Sluprs"...only Rogie knows what this means.
"Travelled"...a Rogerism, replete with ignorance.
"Postss"...pssst...Roger..that should be Posts.
"Defgenerate"...well, it's Roger's word...
"Faity"...he meant to say Fairy, but you know Roger.

“Ghet” Get a load of Curtain Boy!
"Distribiution"...Roger likes using phonics.
"Biotch"...he meant Bitch, but his phonics took over again.
"Methjadone"...a West Virginia substitute for Heroin.
"Sumbliminal"...one of Roger's favorites.
"Recepticle"...either of Roger's moist cavaties.
"Cociane"...a West Virginia drug of choice?
"Tiome"...Roger meant to say Time...but his fingers were numb.
"Beraking"...no definition. Could mean 'beraking' the leaves,
"Amny"...he meant 'any',
"Nlay"...a town in Maylaysia? Vermont?
"Al;ong"...only Wussman knows what this means.
"Becasu"...well, becasu Roger is not the brightest bulb on the tree.
"Seperation". Why? Because Roger cannot "seperate" from his mommie!
“Sisnce” He meant Since, but his pudgy little fingers slipped off the keys.
"gnetically" What?
"provce" (prove?)
"Piuzza" (West Virginia Pizza)
"Schol" (school?)
"strill" (still?)
“shoitgun” 12 ga or 20 ga?
"Snoip" (How they spell “snip” in Glen Dale)
"Maturbater". Wiseman does it all the time, he just can’t spell it.(leaves a
sticky residue on his right hand)
"Coskscuking". It’s a Roger thing, as in Lavender Lads.
"Waddleing". Only in Glen Dale, eh?
"Spaeaking". Curtain Boy did this after his second retest.

“ Stgop” Roger’s version of Stop.

“Fahter's” He meant Father’s Day.

“fserting”..would that be festering?

“poists”. Roger meant “posts”.

“snadwich” As in peanut butter and jelly?

“regualr” Glen Dale rendition of “regular”.

“aftrer” After? Aftrer what?

“soory”. Sorry Roger ****s up again.

“didnb't” He didn’t?

“whoile”. He ate the whoile thing?

“Woamn” He’s hooked on West Virginia phonics, all right.

“prrof” And he kin prove it, too.

“beforfe” Was that before he lurned to spell?

“yoiuy” Roger’s version of “y’all”.

“illerate” Only illiterate Roger can spell like this.

“haeart” Aw, how heartless of me to laugh!

“valule” Roger has no values. No wonder he can’t spell it.

“proch” Doesn’t everyone have one on their house?

“inmstitution” Where Roger’s mom put him in June 1999.

“timne” It’s Howdy Doody time?

“whgo” What? Who dat?

“gnetically” Only Roger knows what this one means…

“crfy” Like, cry, Roger, cry.

“stutrtering” Some stutter, Wiseman stutrters.

“Whjere” Where is Curtain Boy?

“Webiste” That’s Website to the rest of us.

“Youire” Your? You’re? Who knows.

“fiored” As in fired?

“Parety” Roger gave a party once. Nobody came.

“Bouynce” Bounce?

“Varification” Verifiable mental case.

“Probelms” Poor Rogie…has many problems of the mental sort.

“Partricipate” Oh, DUH!!!!

“Cryed” Gee, Wogie..cry me a river…you dolt!

“Stoick” What a dork. His old 386 has no spell check program.

“Partiall” More WV Phonics, I see.

“Obsucred” Either obscured or Rogie has “sucre” on his mind.

“Infinate” Stupid. Think finite, Rogie.

“Sustinance” As in Sustenance?

“Juvinile”. This is the way Roger likes his boys.

“Piut” Put it where, Rogie?

“Toyus”. “Toyus R Us?

“Diminuative”. Roger’s height.

“Definitely” Definitely

“Percriptions” Say what?

“Credibiliy” More Glen Dale intellect.

“Thsoe” Yet another Glen Dale gaffe.

..............................

As long as you try to post here you will be treated like the scum you
are. You can only post on this board and play your psychotic games
here.

150 posts in one hour is spam you moron, and to top it off you use at
least 4 different dial up accounts
http://1st.net/
MSN
AOL
netzero.net
1Cust5558.an3.cle11.da.uu.net

you have threatened
Lloyd's life
Chosen's life [who ever he is]
Steve's Life
DeLorean's life
my life

you have threatened to get numerous people fired from their jobs, and
have Tos'd this board and still are trying to Tos it

you are one sick son of a bitch and you will never post on NIM Busters

This is your domain so enjoy it

Whiny **** Lardass Davies aka Digital wrote:
"Anonymous AB8MQ"

Poor Lardass, he sees his owner everywhere!

You can't even count to 5, Lardass! Keep guessing on the IP's, dumbass!

"Digital" shows not only is he too ****ing
stupid to correctly read a message header, he can't count to 5 in
:
"posts from one of his four providers.
1)http://1st.net/
2)MSN
3)AOL
4)netzero.net
5) 1Cust5558.an3.cle11.da.uu.net"
How to speak Mongolloyd like Mongolloyd Davies
"breaddead" - LLoyd hasn't got anything upstairs in the oven

"defenseive" - Lardass is "defensive" of his ignorance

"counter-offenseive" - When LARDASS LLoyds attack

"nights" - Athens ASSHOLE was referring to last "night's" masturbation
session

"I forget to set the playlist in Winamp to repeat!" - Mongolloyd also
"forgets" the use of past tense, maybe he forgot!

"Techincal" - Lloyd just hates those "technical" things

"Dalkes" - Lloyd's granddad remembers when movies became "talkies" too
bad LARDASS learned to Dalk

"That it!" - When Mongolloyds get real mad, they talk like Tor Johnson

"Woger" - LARDASS closely identifies with Elmer Fudd with his lack of
hair and all

"decide on weather or not" - It's always "stormy weather" with Lloyd
deciding "whether" or not to use correct English

"can not" - Mongolloyd is wondering how he "cannot" seem to get ahead
in life

"is'nt" - "Isn't" LARDASS cute when he is mad?

"PAINFULL" - How LARDASS' bathroom scale feels when he steps on it in
the morning, real "painful"

"I wish for Roger Wisemand" - Lloyd liked thosed thingd ford Rogerd

"alot" - Davies dreams he can communicate in English a lot

"thier" - Lavender Lloyd sure does lisp after a night behind the
dumpster

"dont" - Lloyd says "dont", the rest of the world says "don't"

"Isreal" - Is FATASS Lloyd's retardation for real, or can he blame
Israel?

"juist jelous" "extermenate" - A three for one post Athens Asshole
axiom

"footting" - What LARDASS doesn't have, an equal "footing" anywhere

"Cant" - Emmanuel?

"th" - When Lloyd gets nervous, he stutte, er stutters

"enfighting" - Lloyd's two brain cells are infighting for control of
his stupidity

"YOU STUPID JEW!" - Wasn't Jesus Jewish, so called Christian LLoyd?

"Tonite" - There's nothing in Lloyd's brain "tonight" or any night

"segmant" - What Lloyd's communications are, only sentence "segments"

"I just listening" - Too bad he doesn't listen to his poor English

"buffon" - The Athens, Alabama "buffoon" strikes again!

"museium" - Where LARDASS LLoyd keeps his "muse"

"nastey" - How everybody describes LARDASS' body stench, especially in
the ghetto

"loose" - Lloyd's description of his spinchter muscles...

"wont" - Lloyd refuses to learn English, it's Lloyd's "wont"

"awhile" - It will be "a while" before Davies gets a clue

"freinds" - Lloyd's conglomeration of "friends" and "fiends"

"thier" - "There" just isn't any hope for LARDASS Lloyd "ill-educated"
Davies

"backstabers" - Lloyd's version of the OJays' hit

"becuase" - Home of the "Deliverance Extras" spelling by LARDASS Lloyd

"obselete" - What LARDASS thinking is to him, others see it as
'obsolete'.....

"belive" - What fools like LARDASS Lloyd "believes"

"thier" - Ill-educated Xtian LARDASS Lloyd shows off his language
skills!

"marshalls" - Mongolloyd spell "marshals" real good!

Wisemand - LARDASSd ****sd upd againd

"compay" - Mongolloyd never gets any female "compay," while others do
get "company"

" But when we are winning," DUMB****, YOU have NEVER WON anything in
your miserable life!

"and do the nasty!" You don't really know what that means, do you, 30
year old VIRGIN?

"It's does" - Mongolloyd use good English

"momnet" - LARDASS Lloyd Davies misses his dead "momnet" for a "moment"

"seriuosly" - Lavender Lad President Mongolloyd wants to be taken
"seriously" instead of "seriuosly"

"annouced" - Mongolloyd "announces" his stupidity again

"tonite" - Davies never lets his lack of education stop him from
announcing to the world he's a ****ing imbecile!

"nite" - When LARDASS Lloyd molests those kids he makes them say "nite,
nite" at "night"

"weldare" - Calling Dr. Weldare, LARDASS needs his head out of his
FATASS....put it on his welfare bill

"so **** of" - When Mongolloyds who have man tits talk tough......

"fukcing funney" - Alabama deliverance extra Davies speak

"pictrue" - "Picture" yourself as a Davies Mongolloyd

"isseus" - Davies has "issues" too many to list here

"resortjng" - Is Lloyd from Finland?

"attsxks" - When LARDASS Davies "attacks" he uses illiteracy

"basturds"- What mental illness patient LARDASS Lloyd calls his nurses

"shkt" - Mongolloyd Davies' "Skittles", he likes that "Hershey rainbow"

"law suit" - LARDASS never leaves his HUD apartment with out his law
suit

"opinionn" - When LARDASSn postsn whiln drunkn

"intrenet harrasssmint" - Tries to make LARDASS Lloyd's rotting teeth
feel fresh

"sneeky" - The teachers always "sneaked" Lloyd through the next grade

"that' wasnet" - LLoyd was out that year of school that they went over
English grammar

idiout! - "Lloyid" strikes out again!

"speling" - Mongolloyd Davies the "spelling" bee champ of the retards!

"reas isseus instaed" - Davies talking out of that cheap beer again

"atttacking" - LARDASS Lloyd stutters when he gets upset.....ttttt.....

"challegne" - When Mongolloyds drink and post

"metnal" - Mongolloyd just doesn't have the "mental" ability to
debate......

"debste" - What Lloyd's mommy did to him in the bathtub

"cahllenge" - Mongolloyd speak for "call" and "challenge"

"basturds" - LLoyd ,Amanda's illegitimate "*******" sure does have a
scat fetish

"morsd" - Whend Daviesd drinkd andd postd

"wont" - It is Mongolloyd's "wont" to be stupid, "won't " you let him?

"youd" - Oops, LARDASS did it again!

"poinion" - Must be an Athens Alabama "Deliverance" thing

"Woger Wiseman"- LARDASS Lloyd's got that cocksucker's lisp

"isnt" - "Isn't" LARDASS cute when he slobbers?

"worfh" - Davies' cocksucking lisp has returned

"waset of spaceda" - When Lloyd's only friend Colt 45 malt liquor kicks
in

"Oppulant" - The only thing "opulent" in LARDASS is that he is rich in
ignorance

"obly" - LARDASS lisp from cocksucking shows when he tries to say his
favorite fag artist "Moby"

"wood" - LARDASS LLOYD'S head "would" be made of "wood"

"dserve" - LARDASS lives in that ghetto where they say he sure does
"dserve" those pizzas, mainly he "deserves" all the abuse he gets.

"frum" - LARDASS LLOYD DAVIES wonders where his real father is "from"

"DISCUST" - Mongolloyd Davies' command of the English language is
"disgusting"

"You worthless coward are scared of debating me." - Mongolloyd make
good sentence

"jellous" - Most of LARDASS Lloyd's cellulite body is "jealous" of
skinny, in shape people

"It just didn't wok out" - When LARDASS tried to stir fry those
nutsacks for pizza topping, Pappa John's terminated him saying he
didn't "work out".

"entact" - LARDASS' single brain cell isn't "intact" either.

"empahis" - Notice how LARDASS Lloyd's "emphasis" is always on his
****ing stupidity.

"**** all fo you" - Christian LARDASS Lloyd showing that Jesus
spirit.....

"bllod" - How LARDASS Lloyd spells "blood"

"did'nt" - LARDASS "didn't" do very well in school

"PLEASE by a clue" - LARDASS Lloyd's parents couldn't even "buy" him an
education

"extrodinare!" - LARDASS is a moron "Extraordinaire"

"unsubsribe" - Mongolloyd Davies "subscribes" to the theory that
ignorance is bliss...he must be in heaven

"Must've struck a cord" - LARDASS confuses his favorite sex fetish of
tying his penis with a light cord and masturbating to the word "chord".

"dumass" - Dumbass Davies trips and falls in **** again.

"Them two bigtime losers!" - Mongolloyd mentally ill Davies makes good
sentence!

"straming" - Lardass usually has to wash his sheets from the "stream"
of **** when he wets the bed or not given his filthy HUD apartment

"surpassinf" - LARDASS is always "surpassing" his previous levels of
stupidity.

"pleanty" - "Plenty" of stupidity coming from LARDASS Lloyd.

"Cause i'll have law lock you up and throw away the key!" - Mongolloyd
talk tough!

"pome" - When LARDASS WADSWORTHLESS Stubbyfellow writes a "poem"

"Once she here's my show" - Most people hears a show, LARDASS "here's"
them!

"forgotton" - LARDASS has "forgotten" what he was taught in special Ed

"I want your seriousness" - LARDASS does his take on "I want your sex"

"I did'nt ask for your ****ing grammer checking!" - LARDASS Lloyd
revels in his ignorance!

"agrument" - When the voices in LARDASS Lloyd's mentally ill head
collide they have an "argument"

"craetive" - Mongolloyd Davies isn't very "creative" with his
stupidity, however.

"You could have posted it, for we know!" - LARDASS make good sentence!

"bottem" - Mongolloyd likes those little boys' "bottoms" from hanging
with Steve Holsten

"James Wickstrom talked about tonite that out threre, thier Sherriff's
department" - Mongolloyd

shows off those Pulitzer prize writing skills.

"bring yer cents" - Mongolloyd show how he flunked out of school
because he had no "sense"

"You peeks out" - LARDASS Lloyd and stupidity a symbiotic relationship.

"Be thier" - LARDASS Lloyd make good sentence!

"If you pussys have balls you confront me!!! Deep down you are scared
of me. You our jellous

because I am the great almighty Time Lord!!!!

The Time Lord always wins in the end." - Does it really need to be said
about Mongolloyd Davies?

"yerself", "hisself" - LARDASS picked up his language skills or lack
thereof from the

******s his mommy Amanda serviced.

"I lost TEN POUNDS on my diet simce first of the year!" - Too bad
LARDASS didn't gain any language skills

"The best Amatuer Radio talk show ever!" - Chosen 5 to 1 over literacy
by other ill-educated morons and Mongolloyd

"All of my Daleks have been dispached!" - Too bad some extra brain
neurons haven't, Mongolloyd.

"satillite" - When LARDASS met the space between his ears

"Tuseday" - LARDASS' usual day to wear his pink tutu

"I am 210 punds now!" - LARDASS lies and ****s up again!

"jelous" - LARDASS Lloyd is "jealous" of those who can spell, read, and
write.

"peoples" - LARDASS Lloyd the "people's" choice of the Biggest
L-O-S-E-R!

"curtians" - LARDASS LLOYD DAVIES uses those "curtains" in his filthy
apartment as a masturbation rag

"depsised" - Mongolloyd Davies, who the entire real ham community has
"despised" for his lack of ability

to pass a simple 5 wpm code test or General theory

"sicker" - When Lloyd Davies has a mouth full of cum he can't say
"sticker"

"liceneses" - Mongolloyd Davies has one of those exclusive "licenses"
on stupidity

"isseus" - LARDASS has "issues" with people of intelligence.

"conquor" - Mentally ill LARDASS Lloyd has yet to "conquer" his obesity
and mental illness

"crakheads" - Retard Davies make good sentence!

"servent" - Roger Wiseman's willing "servant" makes another gaffe.

"lesibens" - When Benjamins take the wild side...the "lesbians" don't
care, though!

"Los Angles" - Mongolloyd has the wrong "angle" about "Los Angeles"

"busses" - Do they take the motored "buses" or do they take the

"thier" - You say "their," Lardass says "thier".... to-may-to,
to-mah-to.....

"eductional" - LARDASS Lloyd's writing is "educational" on how severe
illiteracy is in his family.

"She sounded like she really whappy to here from me." - Mongolloyd get
rejected again!

"This is morning I weigh at 207 pounds. This should prove to you, that
I can succeed if I put my

mind to it. I know some your stupid critics can't see that, but I'm not
here to please you." -

- LARDASS makes the "huh?" factor rise.

"This looks much more like sexy Lloyd" - Porky Pig lookalike stubby
tubby Davies dreams

he looks like a skinny, tall Billy Zane

"I figured you the thought of me owning..." - Lardass dreams the
impossible dream of thought

"I took you a long hour and a several minutes..." - Too bad LARDASS
Lloyd didn't take and pass English

"I get a laugh over you!" - Mongolloyd make good sentence!

"did'nt" - "Didn't" Lardass ever pass any school subject?

"Proves to show" - Lavender Lloyd proves he is an imbecile

"It' paid off" - Alcoholic LARDASS Lloyd's bar and utility bills never
are though.

"I wear if with" - Davies wears his stupidity well

"You need to get al ife and a job." Mongolloyd retardo Davies needs to
get English lessons and

not dream of an "Al ife" with "Al Queda"

"I've never ****ing pretending attorneys!" - LARDASSclown Davies never
had to pretend to be stupid, either!

"...what your life must me like..." - Mongolloyd's life of pizza
delivery and trashcan robots is really something

to want, too, isn't it?

"manor" - Lardassclown Davies' "manners" are like those of a hog....

"Christien" - Poor LARDASS Davies, he's shows why ignorance is bliss in
the eyes of the Lord.

"reely" - Mongolloyd Davies is "really" stupid, isn't he?

"please don't imposter me more" - Mongolloyd make good sentence!

"distastful" - A description of LARDASSCLOWN DAVIES' eating habits.

"commnet" - Most people make "comments," ill-educated Lloyd Davies
makes "commnets".

"None of you refuse to tell me who you are." - Huh, Mongolloyd?

"Millinium" - Even after a "millennium" LARDASS couldn't be smart!

"afriad" - LARDASSclown Davies isn't too smart, I'm "afraid"

"powerfull" - Mongolloyd Davies sure has a "powerful" command of the
English language.

"conquor" - Lardass Lloyd has yet to "conquer" his idiocy.

"I always new that your stupidity would trip you up, Mr. Wiseman." - I
just "knew" Llardass Lloyd couldn't pose as "Christy Davies" without
****ing it up and outing himself.

"I have given it some though and decided to come back" - Mongolloyd has
never given anything any "thought." (from another "I'm leaving"
speech/lie)

"usaul" - As "usual" Lardass lloyd Davies ****s up!

"Secwet Woger " Llardass Llavender Llad Lloyd's been sucking so many
cocks he's got a lisp!

"douters" - Even though he has his "doubters", it's "doubtful"
Llardass Lloyd has an I.Q. over 70.

"bypolar" - Mongolloyd Davies is a "bipolar bisexual".
"desperite" - Lardass Lloyd is so "desperate" to win at something,
anything.

"situtation" - Most people get in "situations, " but not our total
****-up Lloyd.

"aholt" - Lardass Lloyd usually gets "a hold" of himself on a Saturday
night, since he has no date!

"mysteriuos" - Mongolloyd Davies, "mysterious" survivor of a coat
hanger abortion attempt.
"I've did" - Most people say " I did"

"Woger" - When cocksucking, lisping fags try to say " Roger."

"for sometime" - Lardass has been a mentally ill retard "for some time"
now.

"mommie's" - When Mongolloyds say "Mommy's" as in "Mommy's house."

"drop out" - Lloyd was a High school and college " dropout."

"backpedalling" - "Backpedaling" is what Lardass does a lot of.

"Maybe two years back" - Mongolloyd speak.
"outted" - Lardass Lloyd's illteracy at work.
"I've riddled Woger for years as Arf! Arf!" - Mongolloyd is Arf!Arf!,
and his stupidity is no riddle.

"self esteme" - One thng is for sure, Lardass has it..."low self
esteem," that is.

"short comings" - Lardass has many, many "shortcomings."

"yahoo" - Lardass always goes into the "Yahoo!" gay chat rooms.

"The truth hurts you see" - So does reading your mangling of the
English language, Lardass.

"His stupidity can not be disguised for long." - Lardass' stupidity
"cannot" be disquised at all.
"entireity" - Lardass is the embodiment of stupidity in its'
"entirety."

"bothe" - Lardass is "both" stupid and retarded.

"got hime" - Lardass has got "him" a case of the dumbass!
"evelope" - Mongolloyd pushes the stupidity "envelope" to the max.
"chiicken" - Lardass Lloyd should eat more "chicken" instead of
leftover pizzas then he wouldn't be obese.

"dont" - "Don't" ever improve your English skills, Lardass!
"likign" - Huh? More Mongolloyd Ebonics.

"you ignorant spawn of satin" - Lardass ironically confesses his love
of wearing lace!

"powerfull" - Mongolloyd's brain cell isn't "powerful" enough to light
a christmas light.

"heresay" - Mongolloyd is a ****ing idot, and that's no "hearsay."

"glas" - Lardass Lloyd never uses a "glass" to drink his sticky
protein.

"freind" - Dicksucking Davies hasn't got a "friend" in the world.

"yu" - Lardass, "you" really should've gotten a better education!

"Got Brother Stair tuned in here to listen to while sleeping tonite!" -
Mongolloyd ****s up again!
"I am not a retrard" - Oh, yes, you are, Lardass!

"Got you in another lie!" - We've "caught you" in another ****up,
Dumbass Davies!

"I am not mentally challenged! I have some pontential." - Mongolloyd is
in denial about his imbecility and has the "potential" to become an
even bigger jackass!

"did'nt" - Mongolloyd "didn't ever pass Spelling.

"soon all your asses are belong to sherrif" - Mongolloyd fantazises
about having sex with his local "sheriff"...
"shure" - We are "sure" you are a ****ing moron, Llardass Lloyd!!

"proxie servers" "conecting" - Mongolloyd used "proxy servers" when he
"connected" to spam Josh's board.

"enfrocement" - Mongolloyd also ****ed up when he spoofed caller ID's
and spammed boards, and now law "enforcement" is watching him.

"apoligize" - Mongolloyd's parents should "apologize" for ever siring
such a mentally ill retard.

"meagre" - Mongolloyd's "meager" brain can't comprehend English.

"goten" - If only Mongolloyd would've "gotten" an education!

"Prepositioned" - Mongolloyd always gets "propositioned" by nouns and
pronouns!

"temting" - Mongolloyd is as "tempting" as a root canal.

"accept" - Mongolloyd use the wrong word in the wrong place again!

"normaly" - "Normally" Lardass would be passed out from Two bud lites
by now

"red head" - Little Red is shoving his big ole black dickhead in
Lardass' fat piehole.

"Aflack" - Mongolloyd ****s up yet again..www.aflac.com

"Dickionary" - Mongolloyd is almost as bad as his queer lover Holsten
in obsessing about dicks.

"Pnig" - Mongolloyd can "ping" an anvil off of his thick malformed
skull

"pratice" - Lardass has lots of "practice" ****ing up.

"dont" - Dicksucking Davies is too stupid to use an apostrophe, isn't
he?

Mongolloyd thinks "Lent" and "lint" are pronounced the same.

"ancinet" - Mongolloyd will be past "ancient" before he gets any pussy.

"harrasment" - Lardass just loves when his fat asshole gets
"harassment" from the drunk black winos!

"persecute" - Mongolloyd "Christy Davies" Attorney-at-Law makes quite
the lapsis calami in his "prosecution".

"fulest" - Little Lloydie is "fullest" when he's done sucking down wino
nutsack goo!

"i'll" "wether" - Mongolloyd, "I'll" just bet you can't decide
"whether" or not to clean your ****ty underpants or keep wearing them.
"authroities" - Mongolloyd's familiar with the "authorities" since his
brother has been carted away to jail more times than he can count.

"Perhaps I can Hal on my show too!" - Perhaps you should consider
remedial English, FATASS!

"cannonized" - Mongolloyd thinks somebody will have to be shot out of a
cannon to be "canonized"

"This board is alot better than all them N54 Boards!" - Mongolloyd is
sure overwhelmed, "then", by "all those" words!

"I dont reconnise you opinions" - Mongolloyd "doesn't recognize" his
stupidity, either.

" I donlt care" - Obviously, Lardass, obviously.

"Thats" "benifit" - "That's" one of Lardass' many ****ups. He doesn't
have the "benefit" of having a dictionary.

"I already notice Woger seeing my everywhere" - Drunken fat *******
Lardass never notices when he ****s up.

"Look, crackhead, I am NOT degenerates!" - Mongolloyd isn't very
literate, either.

"URASE" - Mongolloyd's empty skull never had to be "ERASED" it never
contained anything to begin with.

"I reading the board tonite" - Mongolloyd can only read comic books.

"REMIDER" - Lardass never has to leave a "reminder" of his many ****
ups.

"jsut" - Mongolloyd is "just" a mentally ill retard.

"Im" - "I'm" sure Lardass isn't getting any pussy.

"theere" - Mongolloyd isn't all "there".

"Activatiuons" - Lardass Mongolloyd always has his stupidity
"activations" ready to show themselves.

"steganographic" - Mongolloyd takes his "stenographic" duties as a
pizza order taker seriously.

Woger" - Mongolloyd shows off his cocksucking lisp!
"dogy" - Mongolloyd likes it "doggy" style. Receiving, it, that is.

"Tonigjht" - Mongolloyd will be on here "tonight" because he can never
get a woman.
"1987 rqadio shack reciever" - Mongolloyd the cheapass makes good
spell!

"neber" - Mongolloyd will "NEVER" get laid!

"yourslelf" - Go **** "yourself", Mongolloyd!

"You must really hate be because" - Lardassed Mongolloyd really hates
the English language, too!

"Woger" - Mongolloyd shows off his cocksucking lisp again!

"Roger Wiseman better know as the" - Mongolloyd, better "known" as the
eternal virgin and mentally ill retard.

"Secwet" - Mongolloyd is queer and proud.

"turd in the punch bowel." - Mongolloyd knows about bowels, not
"bowls". Mongolloyd eats on the floor and in bowel cavities.

"he was refused by the Air Force in 1978" - Mongolloyd, how does one
get "refused" by any military? Especially when he was honorably
discharged a year earlier?

"was sent for a 90 observation period " Dumb****ing ****head, what is a
90 observation period???? BWHAHAHAHAHA

"shoudl" - Mongolloyd "should" really shut the **** up.

"Here is" - Here "are" some more examples why Lardass is a ****ing
imbecile.

"Woger" - Lardass is here and QUEER!

"Goddman that Lloyd is sexy!" - But that Mongolloyd is so sexy he is
still a VIRGIN. BWHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

"laugheds" - Mongolloyd was always "laughed" at.

"I have off this newsgroup for over 2 years!" - Mongolloyd should "off"
himself, instead of "being off".

"I have my own internet Talk show, what can be said about your useless
self." - Mongolloyd has no listeners or anything useful to say. He's so
"useless,"

"that's what can be said" about him.

"You are very useless on here, jon" - While Mongolloyd Davies is
useless on and offline.

"Even used up toilet paper has a use, you sure dont!" - Most people
flush "used up toilet paper, " Mongolloyd eats used up toilet paper,
"don't" he?

"I'll shot to kill" - Lardass, you couldn't handle a cap gun.

"Re,omder" - Lardass always leaves us a "reminder" that he is as smart
as a rock.

"resuce" - Mongolloyd can't "rescue" himself from his own stupidity!

"maocked" - Mongolloyd ****s up again, no wonder he is "mocked" for his
stupidity!!!

"tipe" - If Mongolloyd the Lardass would pull his malformed head out of
his ass, he could "type" correctly.

"pregant" - With his looks, Lardass Davies never has to worry about
getting a girl "pregnant."

"when thet saw" - And when "they" saw Lardass' whimpering, they knew he
was a big ****ing PUSSY.

"Mayeb" - "Maybe" somebody will feel sorry for you and give you a
charity ****, but it's doubtful, Mongolloyd!

"tmorrow" - Mongolloyd will never get a woman, "tomorrow" or any other
day.

"Palastine" - Mongolloyd couldn't find "Palestine" on a ****ing map or
anyplace else.

"Woger the notsowiseman" - Mongolloyd the eternal idiot ****s up and
shows off his cocksucking lisp again.

"I hope kills himself" - Mongolloyd wishes he had killed himself.

"agruement." - Mongolloyd is a ****ing imbecile, no "argument."

"You're posts" - BWHAHAHAHAHA.."your" ****ing stupidity stands out as
well, you ****ing idiotic fat ****.

"Globin Woger" - Mongolloyd the 5'6 280 pound garden gnome makes good
spell and IKYABWAI.

"Go aheah" - Mongolloyd never can get "ahead" of his stupidity.

"ssomething" - Mongolloyd "ssure" (his spelling) did **** up again!

"pictures show email them" - Lardass "should" know better then to
"show" his stupidity.
"mor" - Mongolloyd gets "more" stupid by the minute.
"celbrating" - Mongolloyd is "celebrating" his stupidity.

"palgues" - Lardass Davies is a "plague" that needs exterminated.

"have the nerver" - Lardassed Mongolloyd "has the nerve" to criticize
others.

"Golen" - Mongolloyd's ****ups are "golden" ammunition against the dumb
fat ****.

"posts my closet" - Lardass "by" default ****s up again.

"Froce" - Mongolloyd tires to spell "force", what his drunk daddy did
with his dick on Mongolloyd's asshole.

"AUTHROIXATION" - Mongolloyd Davies never needs "auhorization" to be
idiotic.

"morrse" - Lardass can't pass 5 wpm "Morse" code.

"netwerk" - Mongolloyd is part of the idiot "network."

"characture" - Mongolloyd is a "character"..a villiage idiot.

"Learn to spelll" - Lardass ****s up again!

"describes to the T" - Mongolloyd is an IDIOT, that "describes him to a
T."

"a peace of me" - We take a "piece" out of Lardass' ample ass on a
daily basis.

"bus fair" - Lardass can't pay his own bills on time , much less
anybody's "bus fare."

"waht" - "What" do you know, Lardass ****s up again!
"to pay for you" - Lardass you can't "pay for your" own expenses.

"HELLUVA ALOT" - Lardass' English skills are not "a Hell of a Lot" of
help to him.

"mentionm" - Lardass never wants us to "mention" or point out his
numerous **** ups.

"your are" - Mongolloyd, "you are" one of the stupidest assholes on the
internet.

"alone may to much " - Lardass's sentence construction "alone MAY be
too much" to his tiny brain to handle!

You can always tell when you are getting to Woger. He gets to flustered
to type." - Mongolloyd must be getting flustered, "too,"
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

"Woger make false bad spell" - Lardass "makes" and ASS of himself,
again.

""Mongolloyd". Isn't even word," - BWHAHAHAHA Mongolloyd is
English-impaired.

"mentaly illed" - Mongolloyd knows all about being "mentally ill."

"Woger" "femine" - Mongolloyd shows his "feminine" side when he lusts
for "Roger's" cock.

"Wheer" - Mongolloyd always wonders "where" his brain is.

"scooterr" - Mongolloyd never could have a "scooter" his fatass was too
heavy for one, even if they had semi-truck shocks and springs.

"stal" - Mongolloyd's "brain" is permanently on "stall".

"aymore" - Mongolloyd never tries, he just whines "anymore".

"talkjing" - Lardass never has any women "talking" to him.

"cant" - Mongolloyd "can't" use correct punctuation.

"im" - Mongolloyd, "I'm" sure you will die a virgin, you dumbass!

"i" - Lardass, "I" know you are a fat whining ****.

"may as wel" - Mongolloyd "may as well" kill himself.

"lefty alone" - Lardass masturbates with which hand, "his "left alone."

"NIM Busters has run its coarse" - Of "course," Mongolloyd ****s up his
sentence!

"Wlardass" - "WMongolloyd" "w****s" "wup" "Wagain"....

"Wheating" - Lardass has "cheated" on everyhting he's every tried to
do, since he's so incompetent and inferior, and he still ****s up.

"Wabbi Woger" - Mongolloyd thinks any dick is a good dick to suck.

"Woger" - Mongolloyd's been sucking dicks again

"others" - Mongolloyd can't fathom "others'" hatred for his useless fat
ass!

"You can always tell when you are getting to Woger. He gets to
flustered to type." - Mongolloyd must be getting flustered, "too,"
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

"imput" - Mongolloyd's brain has no "input"! Mongolloyd one stupid fat
faggot.

"Hundred's" - Mongolloyd couldn't count to one much less "hundreds"

"dopesnt" - Mongolloyd "doesn't" have a command of the English
language!

"Wait till" - Mongolloyd we will "wait until" you compose a coherent
sentence, but it will be a long wait.

"We wn't" - Lardass Davies, you should **** off with your stupidity so
"we won't" see it ever again.

"Woger is now awoke" - Mongolloyd is never "awake."

"is too stupid to under awoke" - oh the irony, Mongolloyd!

"I ****s my pants" - Mongoolloyd sure does and eats it, too!

"treasing" - Mongolloyd likes "teasing" ****** assholes with his
syphilitic tongue.

"It's being TOS even" -Mongolloyd the only thing you TOS is your tiny
dick!

"peoples" - Mongolloyd always steals other "people's" lines!

"I really wish Steve wasn't suck a pussy and would come back to this
board" - Mongolloyd makes good ****ed up sentence! Mongolloyd made a
Freudian slip when he used "suck" instead of "such".

"I think it is long since past time when you closed this ****ty board!"
-Mongolloyd smoke bad weed!

"wraped" - Mongolloyd has frequently "wrapped" his syphilitic tongue
around a ******'s asshole!

"hig" Who knows what the Athens Asshole means?????

"teir" - Mongolloyd is Belle Plaine's "Forrest Gump," As to his
retarded peers, he's "their" Camp-We-Can-Do's star pupil.

"tribes" - Mongolloyd's "tribe's" name is Retardos!

"abou" - "About" this time, Lardass the alcoholic ****s up!

"till" - "Until" Mongolloyd learns English, he'll always be ridiculed.

"din't" - Mongolloyd "didn't" ever finish high school!

"stuipd" - Lardass Davies is really "stupid," isn't he?

"are we know" - Mongolloyd has a hard time posting in English. Being
more stupid, "are we now," Lardass?

"I just you like a brother" - Mongolloyd would take it up the ass from
you just like he did from his brother, too.

"I've been to two Hamfest" - Mongolloyd's never been to two English
classes, though!

"Wogie" - Mongolloyd shows off his cocksucker's lisp.

"his paint size" - Mongolloyd wears size 50 "pants," does he also wear
"paint" because he is a walking billboard for obesity?

"HAMFEST'S" - Mongolloyd has never shown at any "hamfests"! He's too
big of a coward!

"Woger" - Lardass likes to think of "Roger" when he sucks ****** dicks!

"West Vagina" - Yes, "Virginia," Mongolloyd hasn't ever seen any
vagina, west or east, north or south.

"reconize" - Mongolloyd, your ****ups are easy to "recognize"

"thopught" - Mongolloyd never has any "thoughts", except to show off
his lisp again!

"Who hear likes" - Mongolloyd nobody likes you, "here" or anywhere!

"Wogie" - Lardass Lloydie's lisp exposes him again!

"really beated" - Mongolloyd really "beats" off, since he can't get a
woman.

"Woger" - Mognolloyd makes like faggot.

"Curtain's" - Mongolloyd always ****s up when he hides behind his
"curtains" of sockpuppets.

"cocksuckers" - Lardass always ****s up and punctuates incorrectly,
must be his "cocksucker's" lisp.

"spinctor" - Mongolloyd has the "spinchter" muscle the size of a #10
washtub, since his drunk daddy, his felon older brother and his mommy's
dildoe has stretched it out.

"reconized" - Lardass Davies stupidity is easily "recognized".

"porpuse" - Mongolloyd's stupidity is on "purpose"!

"worlds" - Mongolloyd is the "world's" worst speller!

"comfortbale" - Mongolloyd confessed he is "comfortable" looking at
dicks all day long.

"For the recod" - For the "RECORD," Mongolloyd is retarded!
"all these yours" - "All these years" of posting, and Lardass has yet
to post in English.

"I have no worked for 22 days straight" - Too bad you don't concentrate
on your English for the same legnth of time, Porky!

"Roger'" - "Roger's" what's always on your little mind, Porky!

"****tpacker" - Mongolloyd has a "****packer" for a father.

"revoaked" Mongolloyd your life will soon be "revoked."
"Upeset?" BWHAHAHAHAHA..Mongolloyd you get "upset" so easily, BITCH!

"knumskull" - Mongolloyd, I could ****ing care less since I'm not
Catholic, you ****ing "Numbskull"

"BEVERY ****NH AWARE" - Mongolloyd should "BE VERY ****ING AWARE" of
his surroundings and who is watching him!

"orafice" - Mongolloyd has had a big greasy dick stuck in every
"ORFICE" in his obese body.
"YOUR STILL" Mongolloyd, "you're still" a ****ing imbecile!

"Funn" - Mongolloyd's face sure is "FUNNY" looking.

"Your whole life has past you by." - Lardass, your life has already
"passed" you by the minute you were **** out of your whore mommy.

"Eldery" - If you were a bit more "ELDERY," Porky ,you would be a
better speller.

"Jelous" - Nobody, I repeat nobody is "JEALOUS" of a retard like
Mongolloyd Davies!

"He 4F for the Air Force" - Wrong, Mongolloyd, you are 4F for LIFE!

"plagarize" - Mongolloyd, you couldn't even "plagiarize" from "See Jack
Run" correctly.

"Is like our her Steve and Lloyd" - Mongolloyd ****s up again!
Mongolloyd calls himself and Holstan a "her."

"to much" - Mongolloyd tries to communicate in English but it's just
"too much" for his tiny brain to handle.

"beutiful" - Mongolloyd is as "beautiful" as a WART HOG!

"Trough" - Mongolloyd can't get that everybody sees that he is ****ing
stupid "THROUGH" his malformed skull.

"would all upset" - Try posting in English, DUMB**** Davies!

"backpedd;e" - Mongolloyd "backpedals" when he gets upset and misspells
words!

"Good are you ever pathetic" - Mongolloyd, Goddamn, are YOU ever
pathetic when you **** up like that.

"Make ne" - Mongolloyd is trying to say "make me" like a little girl,
but naturally, he ****s it up! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

"I'm not into, unlike you" - Mongolloyd isn't into looking smart,
either.

"Rare end" - Lardass, you "rear end" is so big, when you back up, you
beep.

"hygienne" - Mongolloyd hasn't got any "hygiene" habits.

"suprise" - "SURPRISE", Mongolloyd ****s up again!

"poved" - Mongolloyd "proved" he is a ****ing idiot once again!

"Momma" "marbels"- Your Crackwhore "Mama" knows you don't have all your
"marbles", Porky!

From: on Sep 3, 4:02 pm

wrote:
From: on Sat 3 Sep 2005 06:40
wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
John Smith wrote:
K0HB:

For some it is easier to attack the thinker than
to disprove the idea....

That's what I've been saying about you'se guys.

Thum of thoth guyths are thinkers...

"Len is not a ham. Len has no interest in amateur radio. Discard
Len's opinions because as a non-participant, Len could know nothing
about amateur radio."

The following is a distillation of what is apparent from the
noble and sacred writings of federally-authorized radio amateurs:

Amateur radio is a super-secret organization, unknown to ordinary
citizens. No one can hear their communications. Their radio
equipment works on different principles of physics that all other
radio services. Third parties must be sworn to absolute secrecy
if they are permitted to speak over amateur bands using amateur
equipment controlled by federally-authorized amateurs. Licensing
is classified and no amateur may talk to any non-amateur, ever.
The FCC Commissioners and staff are all licensed radio amateurs,
therefore they are permitted to regulate and enforce amateur radio.
Books, magazines, written texts explaining amateur radio are only
available to federally-authorized and licensed radio amateurs.
Amateur radio equipment as well as amateurs themselves will survive
any disaster or extreme emergency so that they can take over and
save the day because the radio infrastructure always fails.
Health and welfare messages save more lives than all non-amateur
rescuers, medics, or relief workers put together. The instant
an amateur radio license applicant passes his or her test, an
epiphany occurs where all receive instant information on
everything in amateur radio, past, present, and future. CB is
evil, wicked, mean, and nasty and must never ever be compared to
sacred amateur radio in any form whatsoever. Morse code is the
universal language of radio, easily learned by everyone, and is
the heart and soul of amateur radio. A morse code test MUST be
passed by all REAL radio amateurs seeking a federally-authorized
license.

I think that covers all bases, Brian... :-)

Mmmmm, I dunno.

Not nearly enough material devoted to CW.

True...but I was trying to be kind... :-)

Hi! You guys crack me up.

Whatever they say nowadays is a parody on themselves.

I'm still troubled about being a jerk for not giving Mike greif. I
think I would have been better off if I had given him greif.

Not to worry, Davie Heil gonna give you grief on the spelling
of "greif." :-)

He will probably make a macro on that and remind you for years
in lieu of his replying on some subject. :-)

Be that as it may, the VEC ought to disband. Since newbies "don't
know a thing about amateur radio" they can't possibly pass any
tests for a license. Just have ONE VEC for the "upgraders" (those
already licensed who want a nicer TITLE). Better all around and
satisfies Davie's smug, arrogant "superiority."