From: Dee Flint on Sep 6, 7:36 pm


"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
wrote:

Tornado "hot zones" just happen to coincide with some of the best
farmland in this country.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. FACTUAL ERROR!

The San Joaquin Valley of California is NOT in "tornado alley"
of the midwest. :-)

She said "some", not "all" of the best farmland lennieboy, do try to keep
up.

He does that all the time.

INCORRECT. FACTUAL ERROR multiplied.

Dee, you have me on your "killfile" so therefore you cannot see
what I wrote. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

And he overlooks that the San Joaquin Valley was
not particularly good until it was irrigated and fertilized.

Incorrect again. Refer to the "oakies'" plight when they moved
to California to get away from the midwest droughts. Irrigation
was added LATER to increase the bountiful harvests. It is HUGE.
Takes at least 8 hours of continuous driving on I-5 from north to
south to go the length of just the San Joaquin Valley. California
is the biggest cotton grower of all the states and has been for
decades.

However with those changes it is quite fertile.

MORE fertile. The San Joaquin Valley can feed ALL the western,
mountain states with enough left over for those in the midwest.

Personally, I like the land of the tall corn (Iowa).

Personally, I don't think you know Agribusiness from a DeKalb
Hybrid Seed poked in the ground.

I spent my first 19 years in Illinois and got to know all of
its bordering states. IN THE BEGINNING, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska
were all PRARIE and grew little else but prarie vegetation.
Missouri isn't much better off although they have more
waterways. Without continuous fertilization, crop rotation, and
wind-shelter trees ADDED later, the midwest would have reverted
to just prarie again.

Iowa restaurants are excellent midwest-style eating places and
most will serve free seconds on entrees. Do you wish to know
more about the Amana Colonies? Cedar Rapids? [home of Collins
Radio] It's a fine place to visit and shop (as my wife and I
expect to do soon, again) but we wouldn't want to live there.

Just punch a seed in the ground and step back quick before it
hits you in the eye (grin)!

Yes, yes, ha, ha, clap, clap...good one...but ancient.

Try OKLAHOMA for that...easterners still think that Oklahoma is
the heart of the cornbelt. Oklahoma chiefly grows truck drivers
and oil derricks.

Tell us about the terrible tornados we have in California. We'd
like to know as we are the most populous and prosperous state in
the union.

Tell us also why you are responding to an anony-mousie whose handle
is that of a DEFUNCT TV hero of the 1950s?

Mike Coslo wrote:

When it gets fun is when they try to explain the
biblical flood as a verbatim event. The have yet to answer
two simple questions.

Where did the water come from?
Where did the water go?

I haven't found one yet that can answer the question, How much water
would it take to cover the earth from sea level to 1 foot over the top
of Mount Everest? And What effects would this extra mass have on the Earth?

Very doubtful that the flood of Noah's time covered the entire earth. At
that time, the world to them was the Mesopotamia area, they new nothing
of the world outside that. Archaeologists in attempting to verify the
flood, found a layer of silt beneath the city of Ur at a depth that
would concide with about the time of Noah. However, as they moved to the
outer edges of the Mesopotamia area the layer of silt became shallower
and finally dissappears, indicating that the flood did not cover the
"entire earth". There are many ancient stories of great floods from
areas all around the world.

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

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Mike Coslo wrote:


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Mike Coslo wrote:


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Michael Coslo wrote:


John Smith wrote:


K0HB:

Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most
of the authors
strike me as being rather weak in math and especially
in the area of
probability and statistics--quite possibly
lotus-blossom-eaters.

For some it is easier to attack the thinker than
to disprove the idea....



It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is"

The hard part is defining what is meant by "God"...

Not for those who want the easy answer. There are plenty enough people
who are just slap happy to tell us that!

Mike, are you an atheist? Or are you just playing at one because
President Bush is a Christian?

You tell me, Brian! I think Jesus was one cool dude, and has a lot to
tell us about how to live


One cool dude?

Why yes, one cool dude. Seems like an irreverent thing to say, eh? I
wonder what Jesus' opinion of me calling him a cool dude would be?


I wonder?


That being said, I think that many people who are proclaiming
themselves as "Christians" these days are not. The so-called
conservative Christians who loudly proclaim their ascendancy these days
don't really seem to have much to do with Jesus at all. The closest
thing that they are is a modern day version of the Pharisees. Their
trends are much more old testament - therefore not sharing in the new
covenant proclaimed by Jesus. They push public prayer, also proscribed
against by Jesus, They push religious domination of government - same deal.

While demanding that the first books of *their* bible (KJV) be taken as
absolutely literal, despite two different versions of creation, they
totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount, in which Jesus delivers direct
orders in as plain language as you will find in the bible. What's up
with that?

What is up with that is the modern fundamentalist Christians are
falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book - the false prophets.

That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that the world was *not*
created in seven days starting on Sunday, the 23rd of October in 4004 BC
as determined by Ussher - and put in print in one of my bibles at home.

There is no doubt in my mind that the present day universe *was*
created billions of years ago, probably in an event we call "the Big
Bang. I highly doubt that it was created by a supreme being. For what
happened before then, it becomes quite complex, and I enjoy speculation
on that.

- Mike KB3EIA -


There! I knew you had a lot more to say than mere nide remarks about
God. I hope you feel better.

If you look deeply enough, the snide remarks are not really about God.
They are about the people who would form God in their own image.

Problem is, that is an awful lot of people. Most, in fact.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Their faith says that they are made in God's image. And as you make
fun of them, you make redicule their faith.

I ridicule many things.

Bravo!

So where do we stop, Brian?

Has it started?

Is it when they call for the government to
assassinate the leader of a country that they don't like?

Is that when they called to assassinate Bush Sr's life? Clinton sent a
couple of missiles into an emply office building to show that you can't
just go around threatening the President.

Is it when
they call for holy war?

Yeh, I think we should draw the line at Jihad.

Is it when they launch inquisitions?

Saddam confessed to crimes.

Kill people
in the name of an Exorcism? Is it when a Catholic priest is expelled
from the UAR after serving a jail sentence for the crime of evangelizing
without a permit? Is it when the preacher stands in the pulpit and
declares that if you vote for a certain political party, you have to
leave the church? And in my own case, where the local fundies put such a
stranglehold on the school system that not only is evolution not taught
at all, but that no teaching about any dinosaurs or any animal that
didn't live in modern time was taught or discussed.

Abuses in publice education? Couldn't be.

Public education is the grand indoctrination that our children receive
from the left.

My "sex ed" class
consisted of one session of naming of various STDs, and that was it.
That is it. less than an hour. I've seen the other side, and it isn't
pretty.

What did your parent's tell you?

There is one problem with religious tolerance, and that is that many
religions have no concept of tolerance themselves.

Fine. It's called seperation of Church and State. We have that and
more. As rights are denied to Christians, the pendulum begins to swing
the other way.

Lock up people who make threats against other people and quit whining
to me about it.

Aren't you supposed to be an educated man?

Supposed to be. Didn't find out about a lot of things that I should
have known until after I graduated High School.

- Mike KB3EIA -

You weren't supposed to learn everything in high school. That's why we
have colleges. Know anyone who's living depends on other people
thinking there's more to learn?

Life is a life-long learning experience. Learn something today.

Anonymous wrote:
In article . com
"an Old friend" wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
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I noticed that you made no comments about "Colonel" Mark Morgan's recent
outrageous lies about me. Why is that? Did you see the quoted Google
material which revealed his claims to be a lie? Aren't you, by your own
standards, responsible for his posts?


because I wasn't lying at worst I was eeing things differently than you

You posted baldfaced lies and when you were presented with facts, you
chose to ignore them. In fact, you continued with additional lies. If
you'd stoop to these lies, there's likely nothing about which you'd not lie.

what bald faced lies?

Anybody who disagrees with Dave Vile is a liar, didn't you know that? guffaw!

of course I know that. I was just asking for the catalog of lies seeing
if I had forgotten any


One thing you and Stvie need to learn is that disagreeing with isn't
lying
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There was no disagreement. There was only your posting of deliberate,
malicious untruths. You wrote that I was posting in a usenet
"personals" group. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a
woman. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a bisexual woman.
I wasn't. You wouldn't know the truth if it whapped you in the face.

you were posting in group consiting of nothing but presonal adds and
sexual flirtations

you were posting stuff of a flirting nature, directed toward a bisexual
female

Guess he was bored with the one he married.

or perhaps more likely the other way around


-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sun 4 Sep 2005 06:09
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Translation: JIMMIE DOES NOT TOLERATE DISSENT!!! :-)

Your translation leaves much to be desired. Jim tolerates dissent just
fine. What he has done is create what, to this point, is a very
accurate description of your likely behavior toward those who dare
disagree with your views.

All is relitive. Jim does tolerate dissent much better than Dave or Dan
or esp Stevie

But Dave you over look that I disagree at time with Len, no flames in
return.
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What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to

prevent Len from making those comments.

Nor would I. What I have done is to point out errors
in Len's reasoning and claims. And I backed it up
with google quotes and other info.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie CANNOT "shut me up" so he tries
the next best thing: Disingenuous insults in the form
of the Profiler's "Prediction" wherein all who disagree
(all those who DARE disagree that is) are uncivilly
chastised in a "formal" manner.

Jim's profile isn't about "all those". It is about you.

nope that is Jim SoP seend often enough around her
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The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Free speech includes the right to discredit other's comments and
opinions if those comments and opinions are not based on facts and
sound logical reasoning. Some of Len's comments and opinions are not
based on facts and sound logical reasoning.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Free speech" does not mean that opposition to
the Words of the ARRL shall be silenced.

When have you been silenced? What have you to do with the ARRL or with
amateur radio?

silenced no but attemps have been made to selience Len as well as
myself


that they are prettty feble and so silly as to make one wonder about
the sanity of the efort is another matter


but here again you try febly of course to silence or at drown him in
**** if you prefer

He has nothing to do with ARRL, indeed he is proud of that fact. I wish
I felt it entirely practical to join him there. Why does he need to
have anything to do the ARRL?


similar text for the ARS stab

Jimmie wants to re-argue and re-argue and re-argue OLD arguments
that appeared in here, perhaps hoping to "win" one that he lost
long ago? Yes, that is "free speech" but it does NOTHING.

You've carped on many of the same issues for nearly a decade. You've
argued and re-argued those issues. Are you hoping to win one?

I think he has or more properly been on the winning side in one of the
Biggest one. Or are still thinking Code testing is going to survivie
this rounf at the FCC?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
In article t
Dave Heil wrote:

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:

In article et
Dave Heil wrote:


Nomen Nescio wrote:


In article . net
Dave Heil wrote:



Ethan Jones wrote:



In article et
Dave Heil wrote:

Take your medications, Roger. Get plenty of sleep. Tell the doctor if
the voices begin talking to you again.

Who's Roger, you utterly stupid man?

He's living proof that no man is a total loss. Roger serves as a
horrible example.


Your example is one of how you couldn't cut it as a real man.

What do you know of real men, Roger/not Roger?


I know you aren't one of them.

You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.

You're reduced to hiding behind anonymous remailers.


And you're reduced to seeing Roger behind every post.

Every post? Is everyone targeting me? Is everyone using anonymous
remailers? Does everyone monitor local repeaters and the West Virginia
Phone Net? Trying hiding behind a 4 x 4, Roger.

You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.

And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.

No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?

How and why are you concerned?


Oh, I forgot, you are a sensitive guy and has his feelings hurt easily.

It had nothing to do with feelings. How and why are you concerned?

You seem
to have issues seeing one person behind every anonymous post.
As if just one
person would use anonymous remailers. God, are you stupid.

You follow your posts with some mindless drivel about Lloyd Davies and
no one is supposed to know who you are.


And you seem to think one person has the exclusive use of anonymous remailers.
Lloyd Davies is like you, an idiot. Or are you trying to deny me freedom of
speech?

You're being silly, Roger/not Roger. You've used the same Lloyd Davies
rants in other posts. Your game of I'm-not-really-me has holes in it.

You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.

and the West Virginia net


One can't listen in to a public net on a clear frequency? Are you trying to say
someone can't listen in to a net? And so you have confirmed you have crappy on-
air audio.

By your rather convoluted logic, I mention that you lurk, but don't
check into, a Section Net and that somehow confirms something about my
transmitted audio? That is strange, Roger, very strange.

and I'm not supposed to know who you are, heh


Funy how your posts with your name dissappear when "Stagger Lee" shows up and
vice-versa, but you wouldn't be a hypocrite as well as a liar, now would you?

There, as if I needed confirmation of your identity! Sometimes you
think I'm Lloyd Davies and sometimes I'm someone called Stagger Lee.
That's quite a cloud of paranoia you're living under.

You must be taking at least some of your lithium. Your posts aren't the
filth we're accustomed to. Keep up the good work.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
In article t
Dave Heil wrote:
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Your example is one of how you couldn't cut it as a real man.

What do you know of real men, Roger/not Roger?


I know you aren't one of them.

You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.

which mean what? that he knows nothing?
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You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.

You know this How?


And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.

gee you are very concerned about YOUR rights but support the abuse of
other poeple rights

yep I am beigin to wonder if you are not a cut out for Stevie


No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?

why should anyone?

such an ego you have

gee looking more like Stevie

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You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.

If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

aroogance now the speeling looks a lot like stevie
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Hmm is Dave realy Stevie. It could be, but not likely Sadly Stevie's
abusive self centered is all too comon

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

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That's three things offered by you as fact. Please provide any old
evidence at all that what you've claimed, that Jim Miccolis prevented
Len from presenting his views here. A single instance will do.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

Do you ever tire of being an A1 Operator and work out of band Frenchmen
on 6 meters?

Do you?

Why no, Brian, I've never tired of being an A-1 Op. Do you tire of
being one?


I have no certificate from Hiram, suitable for framing. But I do take
pride in my station, my signal, and my operating abilities.

That is admirable.

And if I
were aware that French hams were out of band, I wouldn't be completing
circuits for them nor sending them QSL cards.

It is your right to do so. You may research the band allocations for
each and every DX station you hear, before you actually call them or
respond to them. It will assuredly cut down on the number of contacts
your make, especially in a contest or pileup situation. You should also
bear in mind that nothing in the regulations under which you operate,
mandates that you do so. You are responsible for making sure that your
own signal is where it is supposed to be. If any station I've ever
worked was where he was not supposed to be, he'd likely not be able to
show off a treasured QSL from a rare station which read the exact
frequency of operation (i.e. 50.115 MHz).

Additionally, you can check on the web or by using a callsign database,
to be certain that each domestic station you might contact is where he
or she is supposed to be under the terms of his or her license.

Finally, there is nothing in the regs which makes you responsible for my
station operation either here in the United States, in Tanzania or in
any other country.

indeed you spend a page avoiding the issue

I hope that clears things up for you.

very clear

you are a fraud, and lack the moral courage to deal with an issue

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
A. Melon wrote:

In article . com
"an Old friend" wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

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I noticed that you made no comments about "Colonel" Mark Morgan's recent
outrageous lies about me. Why is that? Did you see the quoted Google
material which revealed his claims to be a lie? Aren't you, by your own
standards, responsible for his posts?


because I wasn't lying at worst I was eeing things differently than you

You posted baldfaced lies and when you were presented with facts, you
chose to ignore them. In fact, you continued with additional lies. If
you'd stoop to these lies, there's likely nothing about which you'd not lie.

what bald faced lies?

Anybody who disagrees with Dave Vile is a liar, didn't you know that? guffaw!

I have noticed

different edition of websters I guess

One thing you and Stvie need to learn is that disagreeing with isn't
lying
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There was no disagreement. There was only your posting of deliberate,
malicious untruths. You wrote that I was posting in a usenet
"personals" group. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a
woman. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a bisexual woman.
I wasn't. You wouldn't know the truth if it whapped you in the face.

you were posting in group consiting of nothing but presonal adds and
sexual flirtations

you were posting stuff of a flirting nature, directed toward a bisexual
female

Guess he was bored with the one he married.

and interesting that he attacks me so vicously for being a BIsexual
male but will flirt with Bisexual female

It is even more interesting that you've been carrying on this exchange
with the anonymous remailer user who has been calling you a faggot for
the past couple of weeks.

I've not only not flirted with bisexual woman, I've not flirted with any
woman in any newsgroup. You can lead a dyslexic to Google, but you
can't make him read.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

wrote:
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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.

indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego


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As to learning "ANY diplomacy",

there is never an instance where an ambassador calls a communications
type and says, "We've just received news from Washington. I want you to
go to the Foreign Ministry and make a demarche".


And there you have it.

Yes, there you have it. Ambassadors, Deputy Chiefs of Mission,
Political and Economics Officers make demarches, telephone and write to
foreign ministers, presidents, prime ministers and the like.
Information Management personnel have quite different job requirements.

indeed We may all the god for that, the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work



He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)

My My such ornerous duties

cut
me up.

Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!

i see more non answer answerer
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None of that has anything to do with amateur radio...unless one
counts the entirety of the Department of State as an "amateur"
effort of foreign policy.

Do you think has an anti-U.S. Foreign Policy bias, Brian?


I -could- pretend to not understand your question, but that would be
too heilish.

I think that Len has an anti-Heil bias.

That has been obvious, but I asked about a U.S. Foreign Policy bias. He
has frequently taken pot shots at the U.S. Department of State and U.S.
Foreign Policy.

Indeed and you flame Len for this american tradition of questioning the
action of the natiion, you flame him for prefroming the DUTY of an
amercian citizen

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With that degree, you'd likely be able to figure that Bissau and
Freetown are across the continent from Asmara. When my old colleagues
speak of the "West African Echo" they don't include East Africa. Go
figure. I didn't work into nor did I work through Asmara. The missing
piece of the puzzle for both of you is the location of the station I
worked into. Good luck.


Ascension.

I only wish I was at liberty to tell you.

rich the I could tell you bit have to kill routine. Tom cruise does it
better dave
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I agree. Has Len been insulted? denigrated? belittled?

If there's a God in Heaven, he has.

mighty generous

As to the FCC staffer schpiel, it has been previously addressed a number
of times. Len isn't an FCC staffer, nor is he a radio amateur.


Nor are most FCC staffers, even the ones dealing directly with amateur
radio.

That's right. They're paid to do a job, whether they participate in
some radio service or not. Len isn't a participant and he isn't a
regulator.

so what?

why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.

ah yess another lie

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What word would attila have used?

I dunno. Only Len has stated that I claim to be an expert in "Hunnish".
I'd capitalize "Attila" though.

more spelling cop

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
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More word play.

Word play? Hardly. I've never participated in a State Department net
on RTTY or CW.

More word play. Clintonesque.

I fail to see any word play. I made a factual and concise statement of
the truth.

the very meaning of word play as word play. Nicely done

Further down you just admitted to opening and closing RTTY net using CW
on "another frequency."

Yes, I did. I was not active on any CW or RTTY net. It can't be much
more plain that that.

so you closed a RTTY net that were not on with CW?

the only plain meaning in there would saying you are nuts
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It never began.


You should work on your facts.

The W1AW operator is paid a salary to transmit on amateur frequencies.
School teachers may make radio transmissions as a part of their paid
instructions to students.

Is the W1AW op paid to transmit? Are you certain? School teachers
receive a salary for teaching, not for demonstrating amateur radio.

more word play

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As in "deep-sixed".


As in "murdered?"

If "murdered" is what you want to write, then write it. You aren't
going to twist my words.

no one is trying to twist your words just trying to pin you down to
what you mean

Indeed I think most people have an easier time reading my stuff at its
worst than reading your dreck

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Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
A. Melon wrote:

In article . com
"an Old friend" wrote:
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Guess he was bored with the one he married.

and interesting that he attacks me so vicously for being a BIsexual
male but will flirt with Bisexual female

It is even more interesting that you've been carrying on this exchange
with the anonymous remailer user who has been calling you a faggot for
the past couple of weeks.

weeks?

don't think so but you can't tell with the remailers

and unlike you I can polite to anyone, even those that dispise me, if
they can be polite in turn


I've not only not flirted with bisexual woman, I've not flirted with any
woman in any newsgroup. You can lead a dyslexic to Google, but you
can't make him read.

meaning no one my be premitted to form his/her own opinion on anything
without Daves aproval. I bet your wife would disagree with your
assement if she read all of your various exachnges with that woman

Indeed I also simply can't understand how you can maneg to polite to a
bisexaul female and yet be so moraly repulsed by a bisexual male

and more of you bashing the disabled

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

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More word play.

Word play? Hardly. I've never participated in a State Department net
on RTTY or CW.

More word play. Clintonesque.

I fail to see any word play. I made a factual and concise statement of
the truth.


the very meaning of word play as word play. Nicely done

Further down you just admitted to opening and closing RTTY net using CW
on "another frequency."

Yes, I did. I was not active on any CW or RTTY net. It can't be much
more plain that that.


so you closed a RTTY net that were not on with CW?

Thank you for pointing out my error. I closed a RTTY circuit by use of
CW on another frequency. There was no net involved.

the only plain meaning in there would saying you are nuts
cut

That would be the only meaning with which you could come up. Well...

It never began.


You should work on your facts.

The W1AW operator is paid a salary to transmit on amateur frequencies.
School teachers may make radio transmissions as a part of their paid
instructions to students.

Is the W1AW op paid to transmit? Are you certain? School teachers
receive a salary for teaching, not for demonstrating amateur radio.


more word play

If you mean that I used words to respond, then you are correct.

cut


As in "deep-sixed".


As in "murdered?"

If "murdered" is what you want to write, then write it. You aren't
going to twist my words.


no one is trying to twist your words just trying to pin you down to
what you mean

I wrote what I meant in the first place. Brian is trying to get me to
say another thing.

Indeed I think most people have an easier time reading my stuff at its
worst than reading your dreck

I think you may have just written your biggest fabrication of all.

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

A. Melon wrote:


In article . com
"an Old friend" wrote:

cut

Guess he was bored with the one he married.

and interesting that he attacks me so vicously for being a BIsexual
male but will flirt with Bisexual female

It is even more interesting that you've been carrying on this exchange
with the anonymous remailer user who has been calling you a faggot for
the past couple of weeks.


weeks?

don't think so but you can't tell with the remailers

and unlike you I can polite to anyone, even those that dispise me, if
they can be polite in turn

Polite in return? Seek comfort wherever you can find it, Mark. Check
Google for Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ or KC8JBO to see who you've cozied up to.

I've not only not flirted with bisexual woman, I've not flirted with any
woman in any newsgroup. You can lead a dyslexic to Google, but you
can't make him read.


meaning no one my be premitted to form his/her own opinion on anything
without Daves aproval.

That isn't what it means at all, Mark. It means that you can go to an
archived source and still not be able to comprehend what you are looking at.

I bet your wife would disagree with your
assement if she read all of your various exachnges with that woman

You'd be completely and utterly wrong...again.

Indeed I also simply can't understand how you can maneg to polite to a
bisexaul female and yet be so moraly repulsed by a bisexual male

You've misread or misunderstood or are deliberately being obtuse. The
woman is not, repeat no bisexual. She is not, repeat not a stripper. At
no time did I flirt with her.

Would you like to see my archived comments from the alt.west-virginia
newsgroup on those who claim to be bisexual? Right he

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2. Dave Heil Mar 12 2003, 6:15 am
Newsgroups: alt.west-virginia
From: Dave Heil - Find messages by this author
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:15:48 GMT
Local: Wed, Mar 12 2003 6:15 am
Subject: looking in wv

wrote:

hello i am a married 26 yr old bisexual female i am looking for a female
in the same area to get to know and hopefully get together with...if you
are interesed please email me i would love to hear from you ...females
or couples only...no single men remember i am married..thanks

Buns,

Let's see if we have this straight. You can cheat on your husband with
another woman or you and your husband can cheat with another couple but
you can't cheat on your husband with a single man. Does that about sum
it up?

I'm sure you folks are quite normal--in your own way.

Dave in Cameron
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To another couple of sexual adventurers who appeared in the same
newsgroup, I wrote:


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2. Dave Heil Jan 6 2004, 8:16 am
Newsgroups: alt.west-virginia
From: Dave Heil - Find messages by this author
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 08:16:23 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 8:16 am
Subject: 301 MD couple seeking 3some or 4some....

Sus wrote:

Married white couple seeking male or female 3some or 4some. She is 37,
he is 46, both are in excellent physical condition.

Your psychological and moral condition seemingly leaves a little to be
desired. One can only hope that you don't have children.

Dave near Cameron

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and more of you bashing the disabled

My comments were directed not to the disabled as a group, but to you.
You are a vicious, lying SOB. My apologies to the truly disabled.

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


wrote:


wrote:

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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.


indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego

You keep showing us that you can't comprehend the written word. I asked
for no credit. The idea is Brian Burke's. I've never claimed to be the
World's Greatest DXer. You've come up with nothing once again, frantic
fabricator.

cut


As to learning "ANY diplomacy",


there is never an instance where an ambassador calls a communications
type and says, "We've just received news from Washington. I want you to
go to the Foreign Ministry and make a demarche".


And there you have it.

Yes, there you have it. Ambassadors, Deputy Chiefs of Mission,
Political and Economics Officers make demarches, telephone and write to
foreign ministers, presidents, prime ministers and the like.
Information Management personnel have quite different job requirements.


indeed We may all the god for that...

We may all the god? Just how do we accomplish that?

...the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work

Ah, ah, ah, manic manufacturer of fables! I was never a file clerk.
There are people who file things in embassies. They used to be called
"secretaries" but they're now called "Office Management Specialists".
Then again, those of us who were "Information Management Specialists" as
a broad subgroup, used to be "Support Communications Officers". I liked
the old term. The generic term "Communicators" is used on a daily basis.


He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)


My My such ornerous duties

Only a twit would cut an entire paragraph and then write "My My such
ornerous duties (sic)".

cut
me up.

Cut you up? Is this the masochistic side of you coming to the surface?

Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!


i see more non answer answerer

An answer was provided. You didn't like it. You have no clearance and
no need to know.

cut


None of that has anything to do with amateur radio...unless one
counts the entirety of the Department of State as an "amateur"
effort of foreign policy.

Do you think has an anti-U.S. Foreign Policy bias, Brian?


I -could- pretend to not understand your question, but that would be
too heilish.

I think that Len has an anti-Heil bias.

That has been obvious, but I asked about a U.S. Foreign Policy bias. He
has frequently taken pot shots at the U.S. Department of State and U.S.
Foreign Policy.


Indeed and you flame Len for this american tradition of questioning the
action of the natiion, you flame him for prefroming the DUTY of an
amercian citizen

I'm sure that Len does a lot of "preforming". In this instance, he was
not questioning any action at all, just thumping on the Department of
State. I don't expect you to be able to tell the difference. Ask for
some help.

cut


With that degree, you'd likely be able to figure that Bissau and
Freetown are across the continent from Asmara. When my old colleagues
speak of the "West African Echo" they don't include East Africa. Go
figure. I didn't work into nor did I work through Asmara. The missing
piece of the puzzle for both of you is the location of the station I
worked into. Good luck.


Ascension.

I only wish I was at liberty to tell you.


rich the I could tell you bit have to kill routine. Tom cruise does it
better dave
cut

I was doing it before Tom Cruise was old enough to work. The fact is,
there are things which I know that I simply can't share with you. If it
bothers you, I don't care.

I agree. Has Len been insulted? denigrated? belittled?

If there's a God in Heaven, he has.


mighty generous

I'm a mighty generous guy.

As to the FCC staffer schpiel, it has been previously addressed a number
of times. Len isn't an FCC staffer, nor is he a radio amateur.


Nor are most FCC staffers, even the ones dealing directly with amateur
radio.

That's right. They're paid to do a job, whether they participate in
some radio service or not. Len isn't a participant and he isn't a
regulator.


so what?

Check Google. I don't have time to explain it for those who can't keep up.

why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Len has no right for his views to be accepted. His views carry no more
weight than my own. The terms "America" and "American" are capitalized.
There is no "Amercia".

Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie

Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


cut

That's three things offered by you as fact. Please provide any old
evidence at all that what you've claimed, that Jim Miccolis prevented
Len from presenting his views here. A single instance will do.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

Do you ever tire of being an A1 Operator and work out of band Frenchmen
on 6 meters?

Do you?

Why no, Brian, I've never tired of being an A-1 Op. Do you tire of
being one?


I have no certificate from Hiram, suitable for framing. But I do take
pride in my station, my signal, and my operating abilities.

That is admirable.


And if I
were aware that French hams were out of band, I wouldn't be completing
circuits for them nor sending them QSL cards.

It is your right to do so. You may research the band allocations for
each and every DX station you hear, before you actually call them or
respond to them. It will assuredly cut down on the number of contacts
your make, especially in a contest or pileup situation. You should also
bear in mind that nothing in the regulations under which you operate,
mandates that you do so. You are responsible for making sure that your
own signal is where it is supposed to be. If any station I've ever
worked was where he was not supposed to be, he'd likely not be able to
show off a treasured QSL from a rare station which read the exact
frequency of operation (i.e. 50.115 MHz).

Additionally, you can check on the web or by using a callsign database,
to be certain that each domestic station you might contact is where he
or she is supposed to be under the terms of his or her license.

Finally, there is nothing in the regs which makes you responsible for my
station operation either here in the United States, in Tanzania or in
any other country.


indeed you spend a page avoiding the issue

The issue? The issue is waaaaaaay up at the top of the page. To save
you the trouble of going up there to look, it was:


"That's three things offered by you as fact. Please provide any old
evidence at all that what you've claimed, that Jim Miccolis prevented
Len from presenting his views here. A single instance will do."

It was written by me. Brian's diversion took us down the merry path.

I hope that clears things up for you.


very clear

Duuuuuh, not to you. You managed to hose it up.

you are a fraud, and lack the moral courage to deal with an issue

First, have someone define the issue for you. Then have them explain
its nuances. Seek assistance in formulating a reasoned response and get
your pool of typists post it in English for you.

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:

In article t
Dave Heil wrote:

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Your example is one of how you couldn't cut it as a real man.

What do you know of real men, Roger/not Roger?


I know you aren't one of them.

You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.


which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.

cut


You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.

And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.


gee you are very concerned about YOUR rights but support the abuse of
other poeple rights

You know not of what you speak.

yep I am beigin to wonder if you are not a cut out for Stevie

A cut out for him? Can you explain the concept?

No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?


why should anyone?

Precisely.

such an ego you have

It has nothing to do with my ego.

gee looking more like Stevie

Steve and I look nothing alike.

You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.

aroogance now the speeling looks a lot like stevie
cut

YOu can tell by the aroogance and speeling, can you? C'mon. You had help.

Hmm is Dave realy Stevie. It could be, but not likely Sadly Stevie's
abusive self centered is all too comon

You're still a twit, Mark.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

cut

More word play.

Word play? Hardly. I've never participated in a State Department net
on RTTY or CW.

More word play. Clintonesque.

I fail to see any word play. I made a factual and concise statement of
the truth.


the very meaning of word play as word play. Nicely done

Further down you just admitted to opening and closing RTTY net using CW
on "another frequency."

Yes, I did. I was not active on any CW or RTTY net. It can't be much
more plain that that.


so you closed a RTTY net that were not on with CW?

Thank you for pointing out my error. I closed a RTTY circuit by use of
CW on another frequency. There was no net involved.

no it seems I have pointed out your lie


the only plain meaning in there would saying you are nuts
cut

That would be the only meaning with which you could come up. Well...

It never began.


You should work on your facts.

The W1AW operator is paid a salary to transmit on amateur frequencies.
School teachers may make radio transmissions as a part of their paid
instructions to students.

Is the W1AW op paid to transmit? Are you certain? School teachers
receive a salary for teaching, not for demonstrating amateur radio.


more word play

If you mean that I used words to respond, then you are correct.

cut


As in "deep-sixed".


As in "murdered?"

If "murdered" is what you want to write, then write it. You aren't
going to twist my words.


no one is trying to twist your words just trying to pin you down to
what you mean

I wrote what I meant in the first place. Brian is trying to get me to
say another thing.

Indeed I think most people have an easier time reading my stuff at its
worst than reading your dreck

I think you may have just written your biggest fabrication of all.

not at all you spend days and day trying to franticaly avoid saying
what you mean

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:
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don't think so but you can't tell with the remailers

and unlike you I can polite to anyone, even those that dispise me, if
they can be polite in turn

Polite in return? Seek comfort wherever you can find it, Mark. Check
Google for Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ or KC8JBO to see who you've cozied up to.

Comfort? boyo you need to over yourself

I can be polite to those that are polite to me, making me a better man
than you are, but then Dee Flint is a better man than you are

I've not only not flirted with bisexual woman, I've not flirted with any
woman in any newsgroup. You can lead a dyslexic to Google, but you
can't make him read.


meaning no one my be premitted to form his/her own opinion on anything
without Daves aproval.

That isn't what it means at all, Mark. It means that you can go to an
archived source and still not be able to comprehend what you are looking at.

yes it is what you mean

noon but you are premitted to decide what you are saying


I bet your wife would disagree with your
assement if she read all of your various exachnges with that woman

You'd be completely and utterly wrong...again.

Don't know for sure but I don't think so, could be though


Indeed I also simply can't understand how you can maneg to polite to a
bisexaul female and yet be so moraly repulsed by a bisexual male

You've misread or misunderstood or are deliberately being obtuse. The
woman is not, repeat no bisexual. She is not, repeat not a stripper. At
no time did I flirt with her.

according to women she is Bisexual and I see the length content and
nature of the exchanges between on the NG as flirting

Would you like to see my archived comments from the alt.west-virginia
newsgroup on those who claim to be bisexual? Right he

no I saw them once you were disgusting enough without repeating
yourself
cut
and more of you bashing the disabled

My comments were directed not to the disabled as a group, but to you.
You are a vicious, lying SOB. My apologies to the truly disabled.

more of your lies Dave

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:

cut


More word play.

Word play? Hardly. I've never participated in a State Department net
on RTTY or CW.

More word play. Clintonesque.

I fail to see any word play. I made a factual and concise statement of
the truth.


the very meaning of word play as word play. Nicely done


Further down you just admitted to opening and closing RTTY net using CW
on "another frequency."

Yes, I did. I was not active on any CW or RTTY net. It can't be much
more plain that that.


so you closed a RTTY net that were not on with CW?

Thank you for pointing out my error. I closed a RTTY circuit by use of
CW on another frequency. There was no net involved.


no it seems I have pointed out your lie

I saw the error you pointed out. I admitted the error and corrected it.

the only plain meaning in there would saying you are nuts
cut

That would be the only meaning with which you could come up. Well...


It never began.


You should work on your facts.

The W1AW operator is paid a salary to transmit on amateur frequencies.
School teachers may make radio transmissions as a part of their paid
instructions to students.

Is the W1AW op paid to transmit? Are you certain? School teachers
receive a salary for teaching, not for demonstrating amateur radio.


more word play

If you mean that I used words to respond, then you are correct.


cut



As in "deep-sixed".


As in "murdered?"

If "murdered" is what you want to write, then write it. You aren't
going to twist my words.


no one is trying to twist your words just trying to pin you down to
what you mean

I wrote what I meant in the first place. Brian is trying to get me to
say another thing.


Indeed I think most people have an easier time reading my stuff at its
worst than reading your dreck

I think you may have just written your biggest fabrication of all.


not at all you spend days and day trying to franticaly avoid saying
what you mean

There's part of your problem. I write what I intend to convey. You
attempt to read it and through an inability to comprehend or through
some suspicion on your part that my words have some hidden meaning, you
believe that I'm trying to avoid saying what I mean.

"Paranoia striked deep
into your heart it will creep"
--Buffalo Springfield

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.


indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego

You keep showing us that you can't comprehend the written word. I asked
for no credit. The idea is Brian Burke's. I've never claimed to be the
World's Greatest DXer. You've come up with nothing once again, frantic
fabricator.

I understand it fine never said you asked for credit never commented on
your claim

you just don't understand the written word, esp if it says anything you
don't wnat to read


cut


As to learning "ANY diplomacy",


there is never an instance where an ambassador calls a communications
type and says, "We've just received news from Washington. I want you to
go to the Foreign Ministry and make a demarche".


And there you have it.

Yes, there you have it. Ambassadors, Deputy Chiefs of Mission,
Political and Economics Officers make demarches, telephone and write to
foreign ministers, presidents, prime ministers and the like.
Information Management personnel have quite different job requirements.


indeed We may all the god for that...

We may all the god? Just how do we accomplish that?

not my problem


...the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work

Ah, ah, ah, manic manufacturer of fables! I was never a file clerk.
There are people who file things in embassies. They used to be called
"secretaries" but they're now called "Office Management Specialists".
Then again, those of us who were "Information Management Specialists" as
a broad subgroup, used to be "Support Communications Officers". I liked
the old term. The generic term "Communicators" is used on a daily basis.

and Torturers are called "Pain Technicians" spin it all you like clerk,
but you are convincing no one, not already tkaen in by your bull****



He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)


My My such ornerous duties

Only a twit would cut an entire paragraph and then write "My My such
ornerous duties (sic)".

you keep geting it wrong I hadn't cut the paragraph yet

cut
cut
Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!


i see more non answer answerer

An answer was provided. You didn't like it. You have no clearance and
no need to know.

more tom cruise

cut


None of that has anything to do with amateur radio...unless one
counts the entirety of the Department of State as an "amateur"
effort of foreign policy.

Do you think has an anti-U.S. Foreign Policy bias, Brian?


I -could- pretend to not understand your question, but that would be
too heilish.

I think that Len has an anti-Heil bias.

That has been obvious, but I asked about a U.S. Foreign Policy bias. He
has frequently taken pot shots at the U.S. Department of State and U.S.
Foreign Policy.


Indeed and you flame Len for this american tradition of questioning the
action of the natiion, you flame him for prefroming the DUTY of an
amercian citizen
cut
cut


With that degree, you'd likely be able to figure that Bissau and
Freetown are across the continent from Asmara. When my old colleagues
speak of the "West African Echo" they don't include East Africa. Go
figure. I didn't work into nor did I work through Asmara. The missing
piece of the puzzle for both of you is the location of the station I
worked into. Good luck.


Ascension.

I only wish I was at liberty to tell you.


rich the I could tell you bit have to kill routine. Tom cruise does it
better dave
cut

I was doing it before Tom Cruise was old enough to work. The fact is,
there are things which I know that I simply can't share with you. If it
bothers you, I don't care.

Doesn't bother me just disgusts me your efforts to make yourself look
important


I agree. Has Len been insulted? denigrated? belittled?

If there's a God in Heaven, he has.


mighty generous

I'm a mighty generous guy.

As to the FCC staffer schpiel, it has been previously addressed a number
of times. Len isn't an FCC staffer, nor is he a radio amateur.


Nor are most FCC staffers, even the ones dealing directly with amateur
radio.

That's right. They're paid to do a job, whether they participate in
some radio service or not. Len isn't a participant and he isn't a
regulator.


so what?

Check Google. I don't have time to explain it for those who can't keep up.

no need to check google to know that you just can't stand anyone that
doesn't kowtow to you, everyong remotely honest on her knows that

I was just trying to fair nd give a chance t make your point if your
had one

so it was just another gratouitous attack boring


why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Len has no right for his views to be accepted. His views carry no more
weight than my own. The terms "America" and "American" are capitalized.
There is no "Amercia".

never len did, but he does have the right to express his opinion a
right you seek to deny him and me for that matter


Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie

Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?

no you don't

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


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That's three things offered by you as fact. Please provide any old
evidence at all that what you've claimed, that Jim Miccolis prevented
Len from presenting his views here. A single instance will do.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

Do you ever tire of being an A1 Operator and work out of band Frenchmen
on 6 meters?

Do you?

Why no, Brian, I've never tired of being an A-1 Op. Do you tire of
being one?


I have no certificate from Hiram, suitable for framing. But I do take
pride in my station, my signal, and my operating abilities.

That is admirable.


And if I
were aware that French hams were out of band, I wouldn't be completing
circuits for them nor sending them QSL cards.

It is your right to do so. You may research the band allocations for
each and every DX station you hear, before you actually call them or
respond to them. It will assuredly cut down on the number of contacts
your make, especially in a contest or pileup situation. You should also
bear in mind that nothing in the regulations under which you operate,
mandates that you do so. You are responsible for making sure that your
own signal is where it is supposed to be. If any station I've ever
worked was where he was not supposed to be, he'd likely not be able to
show off a treasured QSL from a rare station which read the exact
frequency of operation (i.e. 50.115 MHz).

Additionally, you can check on the web or by using a callsign database,
to be certain that each domestic station you might contact is where he
or she is supposed to be under the terms of his or her license.

Finally, there is nothing in the regs which makes you responsible for my
station operation either here in the United States, in Tanzania or in
any other country.


indeed you spend a page avoiding the issue

still avoid the issue I see

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Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:

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Dave Heil wrote:

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Your example is one of how you couldn't cut it as a real man.

What do you know of real men, Roger/not Roger?


I know you aren't one of them.

You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.


which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.

One I don't take your orders

Two Noone knows nothing, even you must know something god help Ican't
say what it might be, but I am certain you know something


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You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.

still don't see any proof you know this alleged fact


And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.


gee you are very concerned about YOUR rights but support the abuse of
other poeple rights

You know not of what you speak.

I certainly do know of what I speak


yep I am beigin to wonder if you are not a cut out for Stevie

A cut out for him? Can you explain the concept?

you should know the term "cut out" if you don't then you are likely
lying about having a career any where the Govt.


No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?


why should anyone?

Precisely.

indeed you were an errand boy so what

such an ego you have

It has nothing to do with my ego.

Big whooper

gee looking more like Stevie

Steve and I look nothing alike.

you 2 are very much alike in manner in the way you look online even
the way you don't bother with the uses of lang


You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.

Not at all just one you don't like

and with You I doubt even the other hams kew what they were dealing
with (or realy cared either)


aroogance now the speeling looks a lot like stevie
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YOu can tell by the aroogance and speeling, can you? C'mon. You had help.

I can tell no need for hel with you and stevie

Hmm is Dave realy Stevie. It could be, but not likely Sadly Stevie's
abusive self centered is all too comon

You're still a twit, Mark.

In your view sure I am

but Id rather be atwit than someone who promotes, aids criminals,
abusives the conistitution of the Us and the rest of th stuf you and
Stevie do

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.


indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego

You keep showing us that you can't comprehend the written word. I asked
for no credit. The idea is Brian Burke's. I've never claimed to be the
World's Greatest DXer. You've come up with nothing once again, frantic
fabricator.


I understand it fine never said you asked for credit never commented on
your claim

Then what's with your little "indeed you do always encourage people to
feed your ego" comment. My statement had nothing to do my ego or with
any self-aggrandizement. It was, in fact, just the opposite.

you just don't understand the written word, esp if it says anything you
don't wnat to read

Wnat?

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As to learning "ANY diplomacy",



there is never an instance where an ambassador calls a communications
type and says, "We've just received news from Washington. I want you to
go to the Foreign Ministry and make a demarche".


And there you have it.

Yes, there you have it. Ambassadors, Deputy Chiefs of Mission,
Political and Economics Officers make demarches, telephone and write to
foreign ministers, presidents, prime ministers and the like.
Information Management personnel have quite different job requirements.


indeed We may all the god for that...

We may all the god? Just how do we accomplish that?


not my problem


...the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work

Ah, ah, ah, manic manufacturer of fables! I was never a file clerk.
There are people who file things in embassies. They used to be called
"secretaries" but they're now called "Office Management Specialists".
Then again, those of us who were "Information Management Specialists" as
a broad subgroup, used to be "Support Communications Officers". I liked
the old term. The generic term "Communicators" is used on a daily basis.


and Torturers are called "Pain Technicians" spin it all you like clerk,
but you are convincing no one, not already tkaen in by your bull****

I'll state it for you again, feeble one. I never worked in the position
of file clerk. You've lied so much and so often that you're assuming
that everyone does.


He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)


My My such ornerous duties

Only a twit would cut an entire paragraph and then write "My My such
ornerous duties (sic)".


you keep geting it wrong I hadn't cut the paragraph yet

Why, certainly you did, feeble fabricator. Here it is:

"There's much more though. I operated and maintained the equipment
which took care of all of that sending and receiving. I was responsible
for the HF and VHF E&E nets and equipment. I was in charge of the
embassy telephone system and supervised the receptionists. I was
responsible for classified pouch despatch and receipt. I served as
system administrator for classified and unclassifed LAN's and was
responsible for stand alone PC's. I supervised the embassy mailroom
staff. I ran frequency clearances for VIP visits, obtained VHF
frequency permits for embassy repeater and simplex channels through the
host country PTT. There were other duties, but I'm sure you get the idea."


Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!


i see more non answer answerer

An answer was provided. You didn't like it. You have no clearance and
no need to know.


more tom cruise

Tom Cruise worked for the Department of State as a communicator? Get
outta here!

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None of that has anything to do with amateur radio...unless one
counts the entirety of the Department of State as an "amateur"
effort of foreign policy.

Do you think has an anti-U.S. Foreign Policy bias, Brian?


I -could- pretend to not understand your question, but that would be
too heilish.

I think that Len has an anti-Heil bias.

That has been obvious, but I asked about a U.S. Foreign Policy bias. He
has frequently taken pot shots at the U.S. Department of State and U.S.
Foreign Policy.


Indeed and you flame Len for this american tradition of questioning the
action of the natiion, you flame him for prefroming the DUTY of an
amercian citizen

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With that degree, you'd likely be able to figure that Bissau and
Freetown are across the continent from Asmara. When my old colleagues
speak of the "West African Echo" they don't include East Africa. Go
figure. I didn't work into nor did I work through Asmara. The missing
piece of the puzzle for both of you is the location of the station I
worked into. Good luck.


Ascension.

I only wish I was at liberty to tell you.


rich the I could tell you bit have to kill routine. Tom cruise does it
better dave
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I was doing it before Tom Cruise was old enough to work. The fact is,
there are things which I know that I simply can't share with you. If it
bothers you, I don't care.


Doesn't bother me just disgusts me your efforts to make yourself look
important

Funny that my informing you that I can't tell you something would
disgust you more than some of your own practices.


I agree. Has Len been insulted? denigrated? belittled?

If there's a God in Heaven, he has.


mighty generous

I'm a mighty generous guy.


As to the FCC staffer schpiel, it has been previously addressed a number
of times. Len isn't an FCC staffer, nor is he a radio amateur.


Nor are most FCC staffers, even the ones dealing directly with amateur
radio.

That's right. They're paid to do a job, whether they participate in
some radio service or not. Len isn't a participant and he isn't a
regulator.


so what?

Check Google. I don't have time to explain it for those who can't keep up.


no need to check google to know that you just can't stand anyone that
doesn't kowtow to you, everyong remotely honest on her knows that

Her? Her who?

I was just trying to fair nd give a chance t make your point if your
had one

I appreciate that you were just trying to fair, as you understand the term.

so it was just another gratouitous attack boring


why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Len has no right for his views to be accepted. His views carry no more
weight than my own. The terms "America" and "American" are capitalized.
There is no "Amercia".


never len did, but he does have the right to express his opinion a
right you seek to deny him and me for that matter

Never len did? Did what? Len has repeatedly expressed his opinion.
You have, on very many occasions, expressed your opinions and even a
number of outright lies. You can't point to an occasion when I have
sought to deny your rights.


Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie

Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?


no you don't

Well? Enlighten me. Tell me exactly what you mean. Tell me why you
believe I'm lying about tarpaper.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.


indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego

You keep showing us that you can't comprehend the written word. I asked
for no credit. The idea is Brian Burke's. I've never claimed to be the
World's Greatest DXer. You've come up with nothing once again, frantic
fabricator.


I understand it fine never said you asked for credit never commented on
your claim

Then what's with your little "indeed you do always encourage people to
feed your ego" comment. My statement had nothing to do my ego or with
any self-aggrandizement. It was, in fact, just the opposite.

learn english

your statement was nothing but ego and selfaggrandizement. you have
little but your puff and stract and bluster


you just don't understand the written word, esp if it says anything you
don't wnat to read

Wnat?

indeed my point exactly

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As to learning "ANY diplomacy",



there is never an instance where an ambassador calls a communications
type and says, "We've just received news from Washington. I want you to
go to the Foreign Ministry and make a demarche".


And there you have it.

Yes, there you have it. Ambassadors, Deputy Chiefs of Mission,
Political and Economics Officers make demarches, telephone and write to
foreign ministers, presidents, prime ministers and the like.
Information Management personnel have quite different job requirements.


indeed We may all the god for that...

We may all the god? Just how do we accomplish that?


not my problem


...the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work

Ah, ah, ah, manic manufacturer of fables! I was never a file clerk.
There are people who file things in embassies. They used to be called
"secretaries" but they're now called "Office Management Specialists".
Then again, those of us who were "Information Management Specialists" as
a broad subgroup, used to be "Support Communications Officers". I liked
the old term. The generic term "Communicators" is used on a daily basis.


and Torturers are called "Pain Technicians" spin it all you like clerk,
but you are convincing no one, not already tkaen in by your bull****

I'll state it for you again, feeble one. I never worked in the position
of file clerk. You've lied so much and so often that you're assuming
that everyone does.

you still understand

I Know you lie, indeed I know Bill Sohl lies (I am sure he answers
"fine" to the question how are you) everyone does lie.

You lie here with almost every post you make, and in many case I
honestly think you don't know it

You were a peon, a clerk, a nobody in the dept, you puuf yourself up
with a title but I don't care


He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)


My My such ornerous duties

Only a twit would cut an entire paragraph and then write "My My such
ornerous duties (sic)".


you keep geting it wrong I hadn't cut the paragraph yet

Why, certainly you did, feeble fabricator. Here it is:

nope I wrote those words, "My My such ornerous duties" and then moved
down to that para and decided to cut it

another Dave Hiel lie

"There's much more though. I operated and maintained the equipment
which took care of all of that sending and receiving. I was responsible
for the HF and VHF E&E nets and equipment. I was in charge of the
embassy telephone system and supervised the receptionists. I was
responsible for classified pouch despatch and receipt. I served as
system administrator for classified and unclassifed LAN's and was
responsible for stand alone PC's. I supervised the embassy mailroom
staff. I ran frequency clearances for VIP visits, obtained VHF
frequency permits for embassy repeater and simplex channels through the
host country PTT. There were other duties, but I'm sure you get the idea."


Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!


i see more non answer answerer

An answer was provided. You didn't like it. You have no clearance and
no need to know.


more tom cruise

Tom Cruise worked for the Department of State as a communicator? Get
outta here!

never said that another Dave Fabrication

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None of that has anything to do with amateur radio...unless one
counts the entirety of the Department of State as an "amateur"
effort of foreign policy.

Do you think has an anti-U.S. Foreign Policy bias, Brian?


I -could- pretend to not understand your question, but that would be
too heilish.

I think that Len has an anti-Heil bias.

That has been obvious, but I asked about a U.S. Foreign Policy bias. He
has frequently taken pot shots at the U.S. Department of State and U.S.
Foreign Policy.


Indeed and you flame Len for this american tradition of questioning the
action of the natiion, you flame him for prefroming the DUTY of an
amercian citizen

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cut



With that degree, you'd likely be able to figure that Bissau and
Freetown are across the continent from Asmara. When my old colleagues
speak of the "West African Echo" they don't include East Africa. Go
figure. I didn't work into nor did I work through Asmara. The missing
piece of the puzzle for both of you is the location of the station I
worked into. Good luck.


Ascension.

I only wish I was at liberty to tell you.


rich the I could tell you bit have to kill routine. Tom cruise does it
better dave
cut

I was doing it before Tom Cruise was old enough to work. The fact is,
there are things which I know that I simply can't share with you. If it
bothers you, I don't care.


Doesn't bother me just disgusts me your efforts to make yourself look
important

Funny that my informing you that I can't tell you something would
disgust you more than some of your own practices.

auf anglish bitte


I agree. Has Len been insulted? denigrated? belittled?

If there's a God in Heaven, he has.


mighty generous

I'm a mighty generous guy.


As to the FCC staffer schpiel, it has been previously addressed a number
of times. Len isn't an FCC staffer, nor is he a radio amateur.


Nor are most FCC staffers, even the ones dealing directly with amateur
radio.

That's right. They're paid to do a job, whether they participate in
some radio service or not. Len isn't a participant and he isn't a
regulator.


so what?

Check Google. I don't have time to explain it for those who can't keep up.


no need to check google to know that you just can't stand anyone that
doesn't kowtow to you, everyong remotely honest on her knows that

Her? Her who?

I was just trying to fair nd give a chance t make your point if your
had one

I appreciate that you were just trying to fair, as you understand the term.

so it was just another gratouitous attack boring


why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Len has no right for his views to be accepted. His views carry no more
weight than my own. The terms "America" and "American" are capitalized.
There is no "Amercia".


never len did, but he does have the right to express his opinion a
right you seek to deny him and me for that matter

Never len did? Did what? Len has repeatedly expressed his opinion.
You have, on very many occasions, expressed your opinions and even a
number of outright lies. You can't point to an occasion when I have
sought to deny your rights.

yes I can you try to deny my right to even exist


Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie

Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?


no you don't

Well? Enlighten me. Tell me exactly what you mean. Tell me why you
believe I'm lying about tarpaper.

Dave K8MN

You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.


There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie


Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?


no you don't



Well? Enlighten me. Tell me exactly what you mean. Tell me why you
believe I'm lying about tarpaper.

you lied in calling something a Tarpaper shack, plain and simple

Dave

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:


In article t
Dave Heil wrote:

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Your example is one of how you couldn't cut it as a real man.

What do you know of real men, Roger/not Roger?


I know you aren't one of them.

You know? How would you know? You're just some guy hiding behind
anonymous remailers.


which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


One I don't take your orders

You don't? Did you think I gave you an order a short time ago when you
provided Google links here, which you erroneously claimed were my flirts
in a personals newsgroup with a bisexual, married stripper?

Two Noone knows nothing, even you must know something god help Ican't
say what it might be, but I am certain you know something

Who's noone?

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You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.


still don't see any proof you know this alleged fact

If it worries you, call 'em and ask: (304) 845-5511 gets you the city
building.

And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.


gee you are very concerned about YOUR rights but support the abuse of
other poeple rights

You know not of what you speak.


I certainly do know of what I speak

Your saying so does not make your statement true. You may think it, but
you are not correct.

yep I am beigin to wonder if you are not a cut out for Stevie

A cut out for him? Can you explain the concept?


you should know the term "cut out" if you don't then you are likely
lying about having a career any where the Govt.

Sorry. Does it have something to do with exhaust systems?

No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?


why should anyone?

Precisely.


indeed you were an errand boy so what

Ahhhh, you're just practicing your lying again.

such an ego you have

It has nothing to do with my ego.


Big whooper

I saw a big Whooper the other day along Fish Creek. It was standing on
one leg.

gee looking more like Stevie

Steve and I look nothing alike.


you 2 are very much alike in manner in the way you look online even
the way you don't bother with the uses of lang

We don't bother with the uses of lang?

You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.


Not at all just one you don't like

What?

and with You I doubt even the other hams kew what they were dealing
with (or realy cared either)

We must be on another topic with which you have no familiarity. If I
was the only 6m op from a rare African DX spot and the band opened, the
ops on the other end of a QSO knew who and what they were dealing with
and they cared very much.

aroogance now the speeling looks a lot like stevie
cut

YOu can tell by the aroogance and speeling, can you? C'mon. You had help.


I can tell no need for hel with you and stevie

I can see that. You are in a hel of your own making.

Hmm is Dave realy Stevie. It could be, but not likely Sadly Stevie's
abusive self centered is all too comon

You're still a twit, Mark.


In your view sure I am

Bank on it.

but Id rather be atwit than someone who promotes, aids criminals,
abusives the conistitution of the Us and the rest of th stuf you and
Stevie do

I think I would be too, Mark. Luckily for me, I'm not a twit, nor am I
any of the other things you've described in your own *special* style.


Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:

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Fantastic! An endorsement from the World's Greatest DXer. I'll
request that it be known as the "Heil Award," in your honor.

I've seen nothing to indicate an endorsement from the World's Greatest
DXer. Perhaps you received an e-mail from him. While I haven't
endorsed the idea, I have encouraged you to pursue it.


indeed you do always encourage people to feed your ego

You keep showing us that you can't comprehend the written word. I asked
for no credit. The idea is Brian Burke's. I've never claimed to be the
World's Greatest DXer. You've come up with nothing once again, frantic
fabricator.


I understand it fine never said you asked for credit never commented on
your claim

Then what's with your little "indeed you do always encourage people to
feed your ego" comment. My statement had nothing to do my ego or with
any self-aggrandizement. It was, in fact, just the opposite.


learn english

your statement was nothing but ego and selfaggrandizement. you have
little but your puff and stract and bluster

You're out of your ever-livin', medicated mind.

you just don't understand the written word, esp if it says anything you
don't wnat to read

Wnat?


indeed my point exactly

Wnat? was your point? Unbelievable.


...the fact you were a file clerk was
obviously much better for the nation and the world than puting you in
real diplomatic work

Ah, ah, ah, manic manufacturer of fables! I was never a file clerk.
There are people who file things in embassies. They used to be called
"secretaries" but they're now called "Office Management Specialists".
Then again, those of us who were "Information Management Specialists" as
a broad subgroup, used to be "Support Communications Officers". I liked
the old term. The generic term "Communicators" is used on a daily basis.


and Torturers are called "Pain Technicians" spin it all you like clerk,
but you are convincing no one, not already tkaen in by your bull****

I'll state it for you again, feeble one. I never worked in the position
of file clerk. You've lied so much and so often that you're assuming
that everyone does.


you still understand

Yes, I understand. You've attempted to create the false impression that
my job was something entirely different than it was.

I Know you lie, indeed I know Bill Sohl lies (I am sure he answers
"fine" to the question how are you) everyone does lie.

You're starting to come off as pretty delusional, Mark.

You lie here with almost every post you make, and in many case I
honestly think you don't know it

Sure, sure, Mark. Everybody lies with every breath they breathe out and
they're all talking about you too.

You were a peon, a clerk, a nobody in the dept, you puuf yourself up
with a title but I don't care

I haven't provided you with any titles, just a job description. The
guys who worked for me carried the "Support Communications Officer" or
"Information Management Specialist" titles. I was, with the exception
of my first tour, the "Communications Programs Officer" or "Information
Programs Officer". There were times that I was provided a diplomatic
title as well, "Administative Attache'". You say you don't care, but
your words indicate that it matters to you.

He was merely their messenger.

Perhaps it soothes you to cling to that belief.


In addition to sending messages, what else did you do?

I'm certain that I've outlined it before. In addition to sending
messages, I received messages. :-)


My My such ornerous duties

Only a twit would cut an entire paragraph and then write "My My such
ornerous duties (sic)".


you keep geting it wrong I hadn't cut the paragraph yet

Why, certainly you did, feeble fabricator. Here it is:


nope I wrote those words, "My My such ornerous duties" and then moved
down to that para and decided to cut it

another Dave Hiel lie

Ahhh, so the order in which you did the two things makes a big
difference in your mind. I was going to write that you're a twit and a
liar, but I'll make it liar and twit.

"There's much more though. I operated and maintained the equipment
which took care of all of that sending and receiving. I was responsible
for the HF and VHF E&E nets and equipment. I was in charge of the
embassy telephone system and supervised the receptionists. I was
responsible for classified pouch despatch and receipt. I served as
system administrator for classified and unclassifed LAN's and was
responsible for stand alone PC's. I supervised the embassy mailroom
staff. I ran frequency clearances for VIP visits, obtained VHF
frequency permits for embassy repeater and simplex channels through the
host country PTT. There were other duties, but I'm sure you get the idea."


Then there's Heil's thrilling tales of African adventures
where he "synchronized" State Department communications via
morsemanship in the 1980s...

He opened and closed rtty circuits with CW?

He surely did, but not on the same frequency as the RTTY circuit.


What frequency?

A different one!


i see more non answer answerer

An answer was provided. You didn't like it. You have no clearance and
no need to know.


more tom cruise

Tom Cruise worked for the Department of State as a communicator? Get
outta here!


never said that another Dave Fabrication

I asked a question. I didn't make a statement. You used the words
"more Tom Cruise". Maybe you meant that you'd *like* some more Tom
Cruise. Was there any Tom Cruise movie where he said anything about
someone not having a security clearanc or a need to know something?

Doesn't bother me just disgusts me your efforts to make yourself look
important

Funny that my informing you that I can't tell you something would
disgust you more than some of your own practices.


auf anglish bitte

It was in English, Mark. Hire a translator to put it into whatever it
is that you speak.


why do you seem to deny the rights of american citizen in amercia?

Len has no right for his views to be accepted. His views carry no more
weight than my own. The terms "America" and "American" are capitalized.
There is no "Amercia".


never len did, but he does have the right to express his opinion a
right you seek to deny him and me for that matter

Never len did? Did what? Len has repeatedly expressed his opinion.
You have, on very many occasions, expressed your opinions and even a
number of outright lies. You can't point to an occasion when I have
sought to deny your rights.


yes I can you try to deny my right to even exist

I asked you to point to an occasion. You did not do so. I have never
attempted to deny your right to exist. I don't spend a lot of time even
thinking about your existence.

Heil may have spent too much time in the basement with his radios.

Now *that* would be weird. My hamshack consists of two, adjacent second
floor rooms.


You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.

There's tarpaper under there somewhere.


ah yess another lie

Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?


no you don't

Well? Enlighten me. Tell me exactly what you mean. Tell me why you
believe I'm lying about tarpaper.

I'm waiting. What devious thing am I doing in order to create a
tarpaper coverup?

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
You told us you lived in a tarpaper shack.



There's tarpaper under there somewhere.



ah yess another lie



Let me see if I understand you. You wan't to promote a quarrel over
whether there is tarpaper on my house? Do I have it correct?



no you don't




Well? Enlighten me. Tell me exactly what you mean. Tell me why you
believe I'm lying about tarpaper.

You're certainly hosing things up. The words in the three sentence
above, are mine, not yours.

you lied in calling something a Tarpaper shack, plain and simple

I'll bet you watch Monk on TV and don't find anything funny about the show.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:
cut

which mean what? that he knows nothing?

You know, I hadn't thought of that. I meant that the Roger Wiseman who
is behind these anonymous remailer posts is a non-entity in my life. He
has seen my precisely once in his life. But now that you've mentioned
it, he really is the kind of guy who knows little of anything. Use
Google and look under Roger Wiseman, AB8MQ and KC8JBO.


One I don't take your orders

You don't? Did you think I gave you an order a short time ago when you
provided Google links here, which you erroneously claimed were my flirts
in a personals newsgroup with a bisexual, married stripper?

you ordered nagged and harrased me till I did it and found what I see
as your flirting etc as well more of gay bashing in yet other groups
but never found what you claimed I would find

Two Noone knows nothing, even you must know something god help Ican't
say what it might be, but I am certain you know something

Who's noone?

noone at all

cut



You can't use your own name lest you have
the police on your doorstep again. You have to be very, very careful.


Really? Doubtful, since they haven't been on my doorstep.

Sure they have, a number of times, and you've been invited to see them
as well.


You know this How?

I learned of it during several visits to Glen Dale, WV Polic Chief
Norman Stenger. Glen Dale Police Officers are quite familiar with Mr.
Wiseman. They had dealings with him before my visits.


still don't see any proof you know this alleged fact

If it worries you, call 'em and ask: (304) 845-5511 gets you the city
building.

no Thanks do your own staking

And since when does
the police deny freedom of speech?

Since when *do* the police, not *does* the police. Your freedom of
speech stops where my rights begin.


gee you are very concerned about YOUR rights but support the abuse of
other poeple rights

You know not of what you speak.


I certainly do know of what I speak

Your saying so does not make your statement true. You may think it, but
you are not correct.

U agree may saying doesn't make it so, However it is so wether you
think so or not

Indeed I am quite convinced that you are so blinded by your bigotry
that you don't the abuses you comit agianst the right of others


yep I am beigin to wonder if you are not a cut out for Stevie

A cut out for him? Can you explain the concept?


you should know the term "cut out" if you don't then you are likely
lying about having a career any where the Govt.

Sorry. Does it have something to do with exhaust systems?

no

No wonder you
were relegated to doing errand type tasks for the "State Department."

I've never filled a job position which entailed "errand type tasks".


Oh, so you couldn't even make the errand boy grade?

Why don't you make it your life's work to try to find out?


why should anyone?

Precisely.


indeed you were an errand boy so what

Ahhhh, you're just practicing your lying again.

more dave fabrication

such an ego you have

It has nothing to do with my ego.


Big whooper

I saw a big Whooper the other day along Fish Creek. It was standing on
one leg.

Ok go take your meds

gee looking more like Stevie

Steve and I look nothing alike.


you 2 are very much alike in manner in the way you look online even
the way you don't bother with the uses of lang

We don't bother with the uses of lang?

knwo neither of you does

You monitor local FM repeaters


Good amateur practice says you should monitor before doing anything else. You'd
think an world class DXer who talks to out of banders like you would know that.

You know nothing of my activies on 6m from overseas. By the way, it is
"a world class DXer", not "an world class DXer". Makes little
difference, I've never claimed to be either.


If he and the rest of US know nothing then I guess all of your posts
about them must have been lies

You just jumped to a false conclusion. Folks here know only because
I've seen fit to tell them. The only folks who know for sure are those
who worked me on 6m....and me.


Not at all just one you don't like

What?

again check you english data bank

and with You I doubt even the other hams kew what they were dealing
with (or realy cared either)

We must be on another topic with which you have no familiarity. If I
was the only 6m op from a rare African DX spot and the band opened, the
ops on the other end of a QSO knew who and what they were dealing with
and they cared very much.

no we are not

You are off on one topic while the rest of us are on another topic,
which has been the porblem most of the time with you

aroogance now the speeling looks a lot like stevie
cut

YOu can tell by the aroogance and speeling, can you? C'mon. You had help.


I can tell no need for hel with you and stevie

I can see that. You are in a hel of your own making.

Really?

well then Id recomend you hope that Jeus isn't the god you will stand
before, as ahe may well ask why you didnot follow his teachings and yet
claimed to be one of his followers, but that is just some free advice

Hmm is Dave realy Stevie. It could be, but not likely Sadly Stevie's
abusive self centered is all too comon

You're still a twit, Mark.


In your view sure I am

Bank on it.

but Id rather be atwit than someone who promotes, aids criminals,
abusives the conistitution of the Us and the rest of th stuf you and
Stevie do

I think I would be too, Mark. Luckily for me, I'm not a twit, nor am I
any of the other things you've described in your own *special* style.

never said you were twit. You are however all the rest and far worse


Dave K8MN

Italy Anonymous Remailer wrote:
In article
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:


Hiding behind the curtains.


That's rich, coming from somebody who thinks they are a character from a 1950's
TV show. Or should I say hiding behind a character from a 1950's TV show? Yes,
that's more correct.



Come see me fat boy, I sure won't hide behind the curtains like you do.