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I am kind of the same mind--live and let live... However, it does kinda bother me when I think they may be here having trans-gender operations though--and getting amateur licenses! blank-look John On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:51:15 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:13:38 -0700, John Smith wrote in : Frank: Frankly, if I thought anything, I would suspect that it would be the "supreme aliens" who were able to call the shots--I don't think our gov't or the world gov'ts for that matter would be doing much of anything--at least not anything the aliens were not telling them to do... Who knows, keep an open mind, maybe they are just raising us like a head of cattle--and butchering time is near!!! terrified-look! I think "The Outer Limits" already did that story. ... do I think that is really happening? Heck, I don't know if there is a supreme being, I don't know if we came from a mud puddle, how should I know, if you ask me--all the choices just sound crazy, ask the aliens! chuckle Well, I don't care if there are aliens tourists on this planet or not, just as long as they don't take our jobs, rape our women, or try to masquerade as retired Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeants. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 04:48:00 GMT, "K=D8HB" wrote in . net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote Hit the tropics on ship and you become a "Turtleback". Spent 21 years in the Navy and never met a "Turtleback". But on the wall next to my Bluenose certificate are a Shellback certific= ate and a Golden Shellback certificate. 73, de Hans, K0HB Shellback.... Turtleback..... same difference...(SNIP) No, they're not. but my bad. There you go...Especially since you fancy yourself the "corporate knowledge" on all things Naval and Marine to "trip up" others on, Frankie... Seems you suffer a bit of knowledge lag yourself. Still, you know what I meant. I didn't get that far South. I bet... Steve, K4YZ |
Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frank of Silliland wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:23:00 GMT, Dave Heil wrote in et: Okay. Maybe you're a slow learner or perhaps you just have no sense of remorse. You told us that you weren't a model Marine. Feel free to speculate all you want about my service. Quite the contrary, Dudly: my proficiency marks were consistently high; it was my conduct marks that took a couple nose-dives. You were STILL incompetent. COMPETENCY as a Marine is more than mastering the technical aspects of your MOS. Huge snip. So far you've "proved" nothing except that YOUR trivia isn't necessarilly someone elses, and even then you've so grossly discredited yourself as to make ANY argument lost. Wrong again, Dudly. Neither of my disciplinary actions resulted in my discharge. I fulfilled the full term of my contract. But after two court-martials...(SNIP) TWO COURT MARTIALS...?!?! IN ONE ENLSITMENT...?!?!?! I didn't get ONE "Office Hours" IN NEARLY TWO decades of service! (UNSNIP)...my conduct marks were just one tenth of a point too low for an honorable discharge so I got a "General under Honorable". And here is where I know that your claim to have upgraded your discharge is bull#### -- because I -did- upgrade my discharge. (Warning: long story.....) There's nothing "bull####", Frankie, except YOUR suggestion that you're some sort of valid point of reference as to what constitutes having "served" in the Marines or not. Back in early '85 I injured my knee on a forced march....(SNIP) What happened to YOU happened to YOU, and is not indicative of how EVERY Marine's case is handled, Frankie...Mine included. Big snip of sob story. Now a medical discharge is also a "general under honorable" discharge. My original says "HONORABLE." No qualifiers. Sorry yours was otherwise. So all those claims of yours about your discharge are completely bogus, Dudly. They have absolutely no foundation in reality. What has "no foundation in reality" is any suggestion that you are a competent, reliable source of "corporate knowledge" on the Marine Corps other than being a one-tour, sick-bay-commando discipline problem. Loser. Hoser. Poser. Coming from a retired Marine Corps gunny, that's pathetic. Sorry, Frankie. I "call's em as I see's em"... You come in here whipping up a storm making claims of who is a "valid" Marine and who isn't, and you turn out to be the aforementioned one-tour, sick-bay-commando discipline problem. If you are going to continue this "truth-by-repitition" charade then at least get someone to ghost-write your posts so you don't sound like a 3rd grade dropout. "repetition" And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Loser. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 25 Aug 2005 04:12:57 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my Blue Nose card. What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him? The same kind of guy that I try to avoid being...the loud mouth at the end of the bar telling everyone how he stormed the beaches...Laguna Beach...Redondo Beach...Panama Beach... Try Myrtle Beach and Huntington Beach -- the latter should be required duty for every single Marine! Was at Myrtle Beach as a TME'er with VMFA-333 and got tired of Huntington Beach driving by it all the time while stationed at MCAS(H) Tustin. Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird PFC"...?!??! Sheesh...even Lennie made E5... I made Lance Corporal before I could get the "cash sales" smell out of my uniforms... If that's true then you must have skated right through boot camp..... especially the gas chamber. How many sets of your Class A's did you wear IN the gas chamber, Frankie...?!?! Corporal on the second round of cutting scores (and that was in the rank-tight Avionics MOS of 6616) Very impressive, especially when enlisted in the only branch of the military that doesn't use cutting scores for promotions. They did in the 70's, Frankie. ...Sergeant in less three years of my arrival in boot camp... Which means you were promoted only twice in the 15 years that followed. A record to be proud of, I'm sure. I wasn't the only Sergeant in the Avionics field that had to suck air for promotions, Frankie... Too bad your frame of reference doesn't seem to expand beyond your knee and your two court martials. Some resource on USMC policy Frank of Silliland turned out to be! Your ignorance about the Marine Corps is exceeded only by your third-grade rhetoric -- hopefully that Pee-Wee Herman seminar you attended didn't include tips on public masterbation. Well now, Frankie! I see who's pulling THIS into the sandlot! Gotta hurt, though...I am sure that, for a couple of days, it felt "good" taking some swipes at someone who managed to accomplish something you DIDN'T in the Marines...make it to a Staff NCO rank. Loser. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in So far you've "proved" nothing except that YOUR trivia isn't necessarilly someone elses, and even then you've so grossly discredited yourself as to make ANY argument lost. Wrong again, Dudly. Neither of my disciplinary actions resulted in my discharge. I fulfilled the full term of my contract. But after two court-martials my conduct marks were just one tenth of a point too low for an honorable discharge so I got a "General under Honorable". And here is where I know that your claim to have upgraded your discharge is bull**** -- because I -did- upgrade my discharge. (Warning: long story.....) Back in early '85 I injured my knee on a forced march. The corpsman wrote me a light-duty chit that was to stay in effect until I could get to the mainside (Lejeune proper) hospital to have it checked out. But before that could happen we were to go on a field-op. Since I was on light-duty I wasn't supposed to go on the op, but the shop chief (comm shop, not the tech shop) took the chit, put it in his desk and ordered me to go anyway. Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? |
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From: K4YZ on Aug 29, 4:02 pm
wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". Tsk, tsk. Dudly takes a spill just about every time he posts here. :-) A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. UCMJ doesn't apply to USMC anymore? :-) Not so! That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Dudly yanks our chains with nearly every posting also... :-) Dudly ought to pay attention to his words. "Recourse" or "resource," which is it? Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. Those are called "President of the Court," Dudly. It's spelled out in the UCMJ. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... What's the "big story" with Dudly? So far he's said dink on his "medical-turned-honorable discharge due to an accident." Dudly no spell out specifics, just make vague generalities. Dudly also FORGET that UCMJ applies to ALL branches, including USMC. "It's the LAW." Dudly do a BAD imitation of David James Elliott in here. This is NOT the "JAG" show production office. :-) Dudly need better writers. He no pay scale. He may have scales. This forum be about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY, not blood-pinning of USMC wannabes like Dud. Temper fry, wannabe. |
On 29 Aug 2005 07:50:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: snip And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Yes, by my own admission. Yes, I could have walked right up to the commanding General, but I didn't. I chose a different course of action based on the circumstances. If you had ever been in a grunt unit you would understand those circumstances, but you weren't so don't try. But this discussion isn't about me, Dudly -- it's about YOU and the bogus claims you have made about your service (if you even served at all). ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. So what'll it be, Dudly? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 29 Aug 2005 08:01:26 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
. com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 25 Aug 2005 04:12:57 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my Blue Nose card. What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him? The same kind of guy that I try to avoid being...the loud mouth at the end of the bar telling everyone how he stormed the beaches...Laguna Beach...Redondo Beach...Panama Beach... Try Myrtle Beach and Huntington Beach -- the latter should be required duty for every single Marine! Was at Myrtle Beach as a TME'er with VMFA-333 and got tired of Huntington Beach driving by it all the time while stationed at MCAS(H) Tustin. I see you took my advice and hired a ghost-writer. Either that or you finally did a little research before coughing up more BS. Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird PFC"...?!??! Sheesh...even Lennie made E5... I made Lance Corporal before I could get the "cash sales" smell out of my uniforms... If that's true then you must have skated right through boot camp..... especially the gas chamber. How many sets of your Class A's did you wear IN the gas chamber, Frankie...?!?! Where did you specify Alpha's, Dudly? Corporal on the second round of cutting scores (and that was in the rank-tight Avionics MOS of 6616) Very impressive, especially when enlisted in the only branch of the military that doesn't use cutting scores for promotions. They did in the 70's, Frankie. No, they didn't, Dudly. ...Sergeant in less three years of my arrival in boot camp... Which means you were promoted only twice in the 15 years that followed. A record to be proud of, I'm sure. I wasn't the only Sergeant in the Avionics field that had to suck air for promotions, Frankie... Too bad your frame of reference doesn't seem to expand beyond your knee and your two court martials. Plural of 'court-martial' is 'courts-martial'. Some resource on USMC policy Frank of Silliland turned out to be! Your ignorance about the Marine Corps is exceeded only by your third-grade rhetoric -- hopefully that Pee-Wee Herman seminar you attended didn't include tips on public masterbation. Well now, Frankie! I see who's pulling THIS into the sandlot! Gotta hurt, though...I am sure that, for a couple of days, it felt "good" taking some swipes at someone who managed to accomplish something you DIDN'T in the Marines...make it to a Staff NCO rank. Two promotions in 15 years as a staff NCO, selected by cutting scores that were never used, and granted with promotion certificates you can't read. Yeah, you sure made your case, Dudly. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
KØHB wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz corey" wrote So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it had no beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning, the what was before that? Since there was no universe, there was no time. If there was no time, there obviously was no "before". If there were no time, then there could never have been anything, since it would take even the smallest fraction of time for the "big bang" to begin. |
John Smith wrote:
In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for angels or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)... I just flat do not know what to think, it is all too impossible... perhaps the answers are out there... X-Files-theme-plays-in-the-background ... or, perhaps there is a very simple explanation we just have not thought of--yet... any guess is as valid as another... John The balance between the universe (as we know it) existing and not existing is very delicate. Take the gravitional constant (the force of gravity). If the gravitional constant were larger, stars would form no bigger than the earth and would burn up in a very short time (less than a year). If the gravitional constant were smaller, expansion of matter would proceed at such a fast pace that gravity could not keep stars together and ignite nuclear burning of their cores. So how did this force of gravity come to be just the right amount of force to allow creation of stars and planets? By accident or by design? A question not likely to be answered anytime soon, if ever, but curious minds want to know. |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 07:50:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Yes, by my own admission. Yes, I could have walked right up to the commanding General, but I didn't. I chose a different course of action based on the circumstances. If you had ever been in a grunt unit you would understand those circumstances, but you weren't so don't try. But this discussion isn't about me, Dudly -- it's about YOU and the bogus claims you have made about your service (if you even served at all). Sorry, Frankie of Silliland..it IS about you. You "served" 1/4th as long as I did and got court martialed twice. Then you want to come in here throwing your "reputation" around to try and diminish MY service. Sorry, putz...You don't add up to the top of my jump boots. Steve, K4YZ |
On 30 Aug 2005 02:05:50 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 07:50:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Yes, by my own admission. Yes, I could have walked right up to the commanding General, but I didn't. I chose a different course of action based on the circumstances. If you had ever been in a grunt unit you would understand those circumstances, but you weren't so don't try. But this discussion isn't about me, Dudly -- it's about YOU and the bogus claims you have made about your service (if you even served at all). Sorry, Frankie of Silliland..it IS about you. I see you made your choice. You "served" 1/4th as long as I did You still haven't proven that you served -at all-! and got court martialed twice. "Court martialed" isn't even a word, Dudly. Then you want to come in here throwing your "reputation" around Wrong. I challenged you with facts. Once again, Dudly, it's not about me -or- my "reputation" whether be it good -or- bad. to try and diminish MY service. You haven't provided -any- proof that you served -at all-! Nor have you described anything about your service that could be "diminished", except for your few claims that resulted in you "diminishing" yourself because they were contradicted by facts. It was YOU that lied about your "service" -- don't blame me for the consequences of your lies. Sorry, putz...You don't add up to the top of my jump boots. "Jump boots"? LOL! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. I understand them fine. You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it. And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal. Obviously they weren't. And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was pock-marked with not one but two court martials. You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie. Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio operator. You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in response to MARKIE'S frequent changes. And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's Silliness" is pretty appropriate. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. No more than any other, Frankie. Nice try. And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal. All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the thread? Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out to be... In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST "Honorable". No qualifiers. And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only truthfulness of the Marine Corps. You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to fix that. And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too. Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie. Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful thing, Frankie. Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear on "America's Most Wanted". And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. And you...?!?! You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie. As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to validate my "claims", as you call them through... YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone with a similar name claiming someone else's "service". Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness. And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Nope. But your stories about it are. Frank Gilliland is a liar. Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. What lies? The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five Bretheren. You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to manufacture here. But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my service in public. You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps, Gilliland... You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about. So what'll it be, Dudly? I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie. You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw. A loser. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:05:50 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 07:50:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Yes, by my own admission. Yes, I could have walked right up to the commanding General, but I didn't. I chose a different course of action based on the circumstances. If you had ever been in a grunt unit you would understand those circumstances, but you weren't so don't try. But this discussion isn't about me, Dudly -- it's about YOU and the bogus claims you have made about your service (if you even served at all). Sorry, Frankie of Silliland..it IS about you. I see you made your choice. No...YOU did. You "served" 1/4th as long as I did You still haven't proven that you served -at all-! I missed the part where a disgraced ex-serviceman had any "authority" to demand anything, Frankie... and got court martialed twice. "Court martialed" isn't even a word, Dudly. Yet it's a common term in both military and civilian conversation, Frankie. Then you want to come in here throwing your "reputation" around Wrong. I challenged you with facts. Once again, Dudly, it's not about me -or- my "reputation" whether be it good -or- bad. No, you have NOT "challenged (me) with facts"... You've made allegations and barroom taunts meant only to salve your disgraced ego. to try and diminish MY service. You haven't provided -any- proof that you served -at all-! I still haven't found the part that says I owe you one, Frankie. Nor have you described anything about your service that could be "diminished", except for your few claims that resulted in you "diminishing" yourself because they were contradicted by facts. It was YOU that lied about your "service" -- don't blame me for the consequences of your lies. I've not lied. Sorry, putz...You don't add up to the top of my jump boots. "Jump boots"? LOL! I didn't designate the nomenclature, Frankie. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Says the "A" NCOIC with a God complex. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". Did he trip over seven hostile actions? Or was that you? A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Steve, K4YZ You've got is bass ackwards. Anyone offered Article 15 has the right to refuse it and go to court instead. Once it goes to court you will be judged there. |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. Oooops! Gulp! RE4YZ missed that part. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. The shop chief could have refused the Article 15 and goen to court. Wonder why he didn't? It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. To borrow a phrase from Col Jessup, "CRYSTAL." And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. He has many of them, you know. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. Mark Morgan has recently borrowed this tactic. I think RE4YZ likes having his name in the spotlight. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. Sayonara! In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. RE4YZ protesteth too much. Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. He craves it. Even negative attention. And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. So what'll it be, Dudly? RE4YZ is gonna keep on keepin on. |
wrote: From: on Aug 28, 6:02 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon discrediting Len's comments and opinions. Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What you said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect. We were instructed to discard Len's comments. In the end, if they cannot lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s)... I've seen any number of Len's comments made to look like the product of one who has little experience. As Len has questioned your net control capabilities. Not quite true either side. I was citing Heil as a CONTROL FREAK that he appears to be from all his postings to me. Evident to all. Closing a net with CW? I have experience in radio. A considerable amount. Most of it is PROFESSIONAL radio...that kind that pays money for services rendered. Heil must not equate government employ in the Department of State as "professional" yet he obviously got MONEY for that, PLUS living expenses. Obviously he's not professional. ...they claim that his opinions are simply no good because Len isn't a ham. Sometimes Len's opinions are no good because they are issued because he has no experience in amateur radio. Sometimes his opinions are no good because they are the rantings of a geezer with an ax to grind. Often, he makes factual errors and there have been numerous times when he deliberately fabricates. You want us to believe that all of Len's comments are to be discarded. Heil doesn't like my commenting, therefore I am to be "discarded," discredited, demeaned, and some other "d" I can't think of. :-) demonized. David Heil/K8MN is a primary culprit in that tactic, but Jim has used it as well. Oh no, I've by no means been "a primary culprit", but I have participated over a period of years. Can you guess how many times you've commented that Len isn't an amateur radio operator? He has a macro sentence generator for that. :-) And there is a purpose for his stating that you're not an amateur. I've never said I had an amateur radio license. From day one in here I've stated that I do not. I have a Commercial radio license. But, that constant repetition of "not having a license" masks Heil's INABILITY to reply ON the subject of what he was challenged for. He tries to wiggle out of a challenge by semi-denigrative, moral something or others implying that I should NOT be posting in here. Every time. Len isn't involved in amateur radio. He wraps himself in bunting and writes of his Constitutional rights of free speech and to petition his government. Well, he has done those things. Nothing on this planet can prevent me from lauging at him or ridiculing him or his ideas. Nor him you. Heil is a bundle of laughs. :-) Among other things. Len writes of being denigrated or insulted by those who do not agree with his him but he often insults and denigrates those who have the opposite point of view. Perhaps Len is correct to do so. Tsk tsk tsk. Heil thinks he has some special dispensation that allows him to insult others but others are "not permitted" to fire right back at him. He reaps what he sows. He is quick to tell others that they are not discussing amateur radio policy, Get a clue, he's giving it back to you. He's been told that he is not an amateur radio operator and should be here. This is a place only of amateurs and amateur things. Supposedly. Lots of different things are discussed in here. One such seems to be winding down: The one about evolution versus creationists. All of radio hasn't been around more than 109 years and fits NEITHER. :-) then he goes on a multi-post rant having everything to do with personalities and nothing to do with amateur radio. Have you ever thought of reigning in Robeson? When you do, get back to me about Len and we'll talk some more. Heil must LIKE Dudly...because Dudly attacks me. Heil is living vicariously, enjoying another personally-insult me. "An enemy of an enemy is his friend" to slightly paraphrase an old folk saying. I can't imagine anyone "liking" RE-4YZ. Steve merely serves a purpose. Heil doesn't realize that Dudly's fraudulent behavior is HURTING the image of U.S. amateur radio. Miccolis can't rein-in Dudly. Hans Brakob couldn't hold him down. Katapult Kellie doesn't seem to have tried either way. Jeswald hasn't said much. NOT a good case for building a good image of U.S. amateur radio to the public. Noop! But if that's who they want out in front creating a new thread or five every day.... |
On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. I understand them fine. You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it. And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal. Obviously they weren't. Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ...... And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was pock-marked with not one but two court martials. No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-. You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie. Only in -your- eyes, Dudly, because you deny the facts. Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio operator. So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in this group before. You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a ham? You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in response to MARKIE'S frequent changes. So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise.... And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's Silliness" is pretty appropriate. Especially considering the source of the phrase -- someone that would rather call me schoolyard names instead of addressing the facts. But I really am suprised that you haven't started with the Gilligan jokes; like, "Hey Frank, where's the professor?", or "How come you haven't bopped Mary Ann?" After all, that type of rhetoric certainly isn't beneath you, as you have proven in the past few days. Were you saving those quips for later? Naw, you probably aren't smart enough to think of stuff like that -- I didn't start to hear the Gilligan jokes until 5th or 6th grade, and you seem to be limited to a 3rd grade education. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. No more than any other, Frankie. Nice try. Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else. You fell off your pedestal, Dudly. And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal. The difference is that I never tried to be the spelling cop. You did. Once again, it's not about me, Dudly. It's about you and your lies (or hypocrisy, as the case may be). All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the thread? Dave Heil was quite passionate about your defense, yet even -he- hasn't posted for quite a while. Maybe he started looking at the situation objectively and saw that you -are- a fraud. Who knows. I'm sure he will speak for himself on the subject..... eventually. Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out to be... Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because they have no interest in defending your lies. In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST "Honorable". No qualifiers. That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly. And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only truthfulness of the Marine Corps. You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to fix that. And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too. And even after your tirade about me snipping your posts you just snipped my point about your "HONORABLE" discharge being "original" while claiming to have had it later upgraded. That's evasive, Dudly. So what does your -REVISED- discharge certificate say? Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie. Prove it. Prove me wrong, Dudly. Post any sort of convincing proof that you are who you claim. Anything that I have posted to prove my -own- service will be just fine (except for the telephone token, of course). Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me. You're embarrassing yourself but you are too embellished in your lies to admit it -- probably even to yourself. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful thing, Frankie. So you are trying once again to misrepresent my statements -- I said nothing of the sort. I -am- proud of what I have accomplished in life, and I -am- proud to have the integrity to be honest about who I am. Apparently these simple concepts elude your understanding. That's something for which you can blame your mommy and daddy -- clearly they didn't teach you about such virtues as honesty and integrity. Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear on "America's Most Wanted". Why would I do that? The criminals that are profiled may have the same anti-social characteristics as you, but as far as I know you haven't done anything so bad as to get your mug-shot shown on national TV..... or have you? And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. And you...?!?! I have already posted more than enough info to prove my service -beyond- the scope of public records, yet short of disclosing my SSN. I showed you that it -can- be done, and -how- it can be done. What's your excuse -NOW-? You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie. What does that have to do with your failure to provide proof of your USMC service? As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to validate my "claims", as you call them through... What does it mean to "call them through..."? Is that how to use "effective paragraphs"? YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone with a similar name claiming someone else's "service". It's just another type of "identity theft" and it happens all the time. Don't you watch the news? Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness. Of course you expect such criticism -- you have already rationalized that as an excuse to -not- provide such information. But you are ignoring the fact that I provided my DD-214 in high resolution just to pre-empt such a claim. And because it was high resolution I didn't scan the whole document -- it would have been a -huge- file. Besides, the whole document isn't needed. Just the important parts, such as what I included in mine. So what's your excuse -=NOW=-, Dudly? And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Nope. Well, that's proof for sure. I guess all the facts are moot and you must be telling the truth about everything because you replied with a definitive "Nope". Thanks for clarifying that for me, Dudly. But your stories about it are. Feel free to prove me wrong. Frank Gilliland is a liar. More "truth-by-repitition". One would think by now that you could come up with a more effective argument...... or maybe even some proof! Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. What lies? The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five Bretheren. Apparently you haven't been reading my posts..... oh, that's right, your reading comprehension extends only so far as to absorb whatever fits into your fantasy world. Well, that's your problem, Dudly. Everyone else here can read them with an objective frame of mind. And don't forget that your lies are now in the archives for however long the archives exist. IOW, they might be read by your great-great- grandkids (god forbid you should ever reproduce). I can only imagine how disillusioned they will be to find out who and what you really are. Well, don't be discouraged because you probably won't have to face them, even though they will be the victims of your public dysfunction. Maybe even the subject of public ridicule. And all because you get your kicks by impersonating someone you aren't. Even if you -are- who you claim, they sure as hell aren't going to be proud of your behavior in this newsgroup over the past several years. But that's not your problem. You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to manufacture here. Who? But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my service in public. Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served. For the past couple weeks you have had the opportunity to make an absolute fool out of me -- what's preventing you from doing so? I'll tell you: because your claims are nothing but lies. You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps, Gilliland... ....yawn. You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about. Actually, I'm the bartender. So what'll it be, Dudly? I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie. Of course you will -- you can't face the reality of your mental illness so you need someone else to blame (it's always someone else's fault, isn't it, Dudly?). You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw. A loser. If you believe it, it must be true. Facts? FACTS? We don't need no stinking FACTS!!! LOL!!! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 30 Aug 2005 02:39:54 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:05:50 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 07:50:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip And if you'e going to come at me with assertions of what is and isn't "The Real Marine Corps", at least have the decency of having Honorably served that same Marine Corps. YOU DIDN'T. You made a PROMISE when you enlisted and you FAILED to keep up your end of the bargain. Not once, but twice, by your own admission. Yes, by my own admission. Yes, I could have walked right up to the commanding General, but I didn't. I chose a different course of action based on the circumstances. If you had ever been in a grunt unit you would understand those circumstances, but you weren't so don't try. But this discussion isn't about me, Dudly -- it's about YOU and the bogus claims you have made about your service (if you even served at all). Sorry, Frankie of Silliland..it IS about you. I see you made your choice. No...YOU did. You make your own choices, Dudly. Don't blame me for the consequences of those decisions. You "served" 1/4th as long as I did You still haven't proven that you served -at all-! I missed the part where a disgraced ex-serviceman had any "authority" to demand anything, Frankie... Who's "demanding", Dudly? I simply gave you a choice. and got court martialed twice. "Court martialed" isn't even a word, Dudly. Yet it's a common term in both military and civilian conversation, Frankie. By golly, you're right -- except that it's spelled "court-martialled". Then you want to come in here throwing your "reputation" around Wrong. I challenged you with facts. Once again, Dudly, it's not about me -or- my "reputation" whether be it good -or- bad. No, you have NOT "challenged (me) with facts"... Now you're in denial. Your sickness runs deep. You've made allegations and barroom taunts meant only to salve your disgraced ego. You like to refer to the bars quite a bit..... do you spend a lot of time at the bars, Dudly? to try and diminish MY service. You haven't provided -any- proof that you served -at all-! I still haven't found the part that says I owe you one, Frankie. That's because I said nothing of the sort. Got any excuses that aren't characteristic of someone trying to evade the truth? Nor have you described anything about your service that could be "diminished", except for your few claims that resulted in you "diminishing" yourself because they were contradicted by facts. It was YOU that lied about your "service" -- don't blame me for the consequences of your lies. I've not lied. Prove it. Sorry, putz...You don't add up to the top of my jump boots. "Jump boots"? LOL! I didn't designate the nomenclature, Frankie. Well, now we know what you -didn't- do in the USMC. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 30 Aug 2005 03:43:07 -0700, wrote in
.com: snip You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. The shop chief could have refused the Article 15 and goen to court. Wonder why he didn't? He was never brought up on charges. His reprimand was a Page 11 entry. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Give up on the argument for time. We measure time by the spinning of the earth. Our most accurate way of measuring time is an atomic clock, it measures how many atomic particles are given of by a decaying sample of radioactive material, when so many particles have been lost--we say a certain amount of time has passed--rather crude really. We have even developed convoluted methods to use light as a clock, however, under different conditions (gravity for one) or though different materials not even light always travels at the same speed, and theoretical physicists already know light may move at, at least slightly different speeds in different parts of the universe. Anyway, what all these methods have in common are movement, even the atomic particles moving away from the radioactive sample. If you attempt to capture time in a bottle you only end up with a moving object in that bottle... .... there is absolutely no such thing as time, it is a figment of our imagination which allows you to get to work on "time"--time is very useful--but time is not real ... John On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:44:19 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey wrote: KØHB wrote: "Cmdr Buzz corey" wrote So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it had no beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning, the what was before that? Since there was no universe, there was no time. If there was no time, there obviously was no "before". If there were no time, then there could never have been anything, since it would take even the smallest fraction of time for the "big bang" to begin. |
.... yep, no matter how you slice or dice it, at some place in the past, something "... was and always will be ... The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ... The real argument is posed by people who do NOT want you to be endowed by rights given to you by a creator. They wish to own you and be able to either allow you some rights, or deny you those rights--usually based on their appraisal of how much you are worth to them--it has always been the story of all peoples and civilizations--"God" is very dangerous to those who wish to control, use and own other individuals, groups and areas--as they can only do so if those in question do not have rights which are endowed them by a supreme creator... .... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ... John On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:39:26 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey wrote: KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote In fact, it was this professor who first told me to look either for angels or aliens--before he finally settled on the angels (intelligence NOT from a mud puddle as you could ever find upon an earth-like planet)... The only thing that I can think of which is more impossible to believe than "mud became man" is angels that just "were". 73, de Hans, K0HB So where did all the matter in the universe orginially come from? If it had no beginning, the it just "was". If it did indeed have a beginning, the what was before that? |
"John Smith" wrote The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ... Ah, yes, the last refuge of "I can't figure it out, so it must be magic done by the "creator". "God" is very dangerous to those who wish to control, use and own other individuals, groups and areas..... Actually history is replete with evidence that the most heinous "controllers" tend to be members (often the leaders) of the dominant religious cult in their era/region. Almost without exception they invoke the name and power of their god as they march out to smite His enemies. ... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ... Invoking the name of a god is a good way to control the ignorant masses. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
K0HB:
Sounds to me like you need a history lesson! The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help... actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago... John On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:44:01 +0000, KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote The only argument left is if that "something" has an intelligence, I think it is more than obvious it does, it made all this ... Ah, yes, the last refuge of "I can't figure it out, so it must be magic done by the "creator". "God" is very dangerous to those who wish to control, use and own other individuals, groups and areas..... Actually history is replete with evidence that the most heinous "controllers" tend to be members (often the leaders) of the dominant religious cult in their era/region. Almost without exception they invoke the name and power of their god as they march out to smite His enemies. ... be careful to argue against "God" too quickly, the forefathers placed him in our constitution--they had a real purpose in doing so ... Invoking the name of a god is a good way to control the ignorant masses. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:23:38 -0700, John Smith
wrote in : K0HB: Sounds to me like you need a history lesson! The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help... actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago... =plonk= ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: Dave Heil on Aug 28, 9:04 am wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical insulting demeanor. What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to prevent Len from making those comments. The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon discrediting Len's comments and opinions. Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What you said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect. Tsk, tsk, tsk...Heil sails the river denial again. Denial, old bean? The words were there for everyone to read. Brian claimed one thing and then rapidly backpedals to another position. No back-pedalling, old has bean. Don't forget who was discussing moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose. |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio operator. So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in this group before. You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a ham? Jim Miccolis/N2EY, Steve Robeson/RE-4YZ, David Heil/K8MN, and Brian Kelly/W3RV discussed closing this newsgroup to non-hams. "...Where never is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are filled with CW signals all day..." |
K4YZ wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:05:50 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in to try and diminish MY service. You haven't provided -any- proof that you served -at all-! I still haven't found the part that says I owe you one, Frankie. RE-4YZ is loooooong on demands, short on answers. Everyone owes Steve proof. Steve owes nothing. |
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wrote: From: on Aug 28, 6:02 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: snip In the end, if they cannot lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s)... I've seen any number of Len's comments made to look like the product of one who has little experience. As Len has questioned your net control capabilities. Not quite true either side. I was citing Heil as a CONTROL FREAK that he appears to be from all his postings to me. Evident to all. Closing a net with CW? The "CW" in that case would be a "Coder's Wisdom"; i.e., one where all wisdom derives from skill at morsemanship. I have experience in radio. A considerable amount. Most of it is PROFESSIONAL radio...that kind that pays money for services rendered. Heil must not equate government employ in the Department of State as "professional" yet he obviously got MONEY for that, PLUS living expenses. Obviously he's not professional. He's a "was-pro" in that the U.S. government paid him for his services. At the same time he's been an amateur (one who is NOT paid for his services) for 40 years, presumably "working" at least 8 hours a day, 5 days a week at his ham radio hobby. :-) Sometimes Len's opinions are no good because they are issued because he has no experience in amateur radio. Sometimes his opinions are no good because they are the rantings of a geezer with an ax to grind. Often, he makes factual errors and there have been numerous times when he deliberately fabricates. You want us to believe that all of Len's comments are to be discarded. Heil doesn't like my commenting, therefore I am to be "discarded," discredited, demeaned, and some other "d" I can't think of. :-) demonized. Oho! Heil is an "exorcist?" :-) David Heil/K8MN is a primary culprit in that tactic, but Jim has used it as well. Oh no, I've by no means been "a primary culprit", but I have participated over a period of years. Can you guess how many times you've commented that Len isn't an amateur radio operator? He has a macro sentence generator for that. :-) And there is a purpose for his stating that you're not an amateur. Of course. Heil can't stay on the subject of a thread so he attempts personal insults and/or deinigrations in order to win message points for himself. But, that constant repetition of "not having a license" masks Heil's INABILITY to reply ON the subject of what he was challenged for. He tries to wiggle out of a challenge by semi-denigrative, moral something or others implying that I should NOT be posting in here. Every time. Evident to all. Len isn't involved in amateur radio. He wraps himself in bunting and writes of his Constitutional rights of free speech and to petition his government. Well, he has done those things. Nothing on this planet can prevent me from lauging at him or ridiculing him or his ideas. Nor him you. Heil is a bundle of laughs. :-) Among other things. Isn't the French equivalent of Heil's "laughs" called "merde?" :-) Tsk tsk tsk. Heil thinks he has some special dispensation that allows him to insult others but others are "not permitted" to fire right back at him. He reaps what he sows. He needs Crop Rotation. He can already spread fertilizer... Heil must LIKE Dudly...because Dudly attacks me. Heil is living vicariously, enjoying another personally-insult me. "An enemy of an enemy is his friend" to slightly paraphrase an old folk saying. I can't imagine anyone "liking" RE-4YZ. Steve merely serves a purpose. "Serves a purpose?" Yes, I suppose, much like the Antichrist. Heil doesn't realize that Dudly's fraudulent behavior is HURTING the image of U.S. amateur radio. Miccolis can't rein-in Dudly. Hans Brakob couldn't hold him down. Katapult Kellie doesn't seem to have tried either way. Jeswald hasn't said much. NOT a good case for building a good image of U.S. amateur radio to the public. Noop! But if that's who they want out in front creating a new thread or five every day.... ...and INSULTING each and every person who contradicts him or just expresses an opposing viewpoint. NOT a good image. |
John Smith wrote:
K0HB: Sounds to me like you need a history lesson! The crusades were wars against the same enemy we have today, muslim terrorists--of course the muslims were/are claiming the christians (you know, the guys whose motto is "turn the other cheek") were/are the "bad guys." If they win this war, they will be claiming it in american streets--the only good muslim is a dead one, I would volunteer to help... actually, we only continue this crusades started long ago... Spoken like a fellow who doesn't actually know any Muslims, "John". Dave K8MN |
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Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 08:01:26 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in . com: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 25 Aug 2005 04:12:57 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Silliland wrote: Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my Blue Nose card. What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him? The same kind of guy that I try to avoid being...the loud mouth at the end of the bar telling everyone how he stormed the beaches...Laguna Beach...Redondo Beach...Panama Beach... Try Myrtle Beach and Huntington Beach -- the latter should be required duty for every single Marine! Was at Myrtle Beach as a TME'er with VMFA-333 and got tired of Huntington Beach driving by it all the time while stationed at MCAS(H) Tustin. I see you took my advice and hired a ghost-writer. Either that or you finally did a little research before coughing up more BS. No "ghost writing" needed here, Frankie the Liar. Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird PFC"...?!??! Sheesh...even Lennie made E5... I made Lance Corporal before I could get the "cash sales" smell out of my uniforms... If that's true then you must have skated right through boot camp..... especially the gas chamber. How many sets of your Class A's did you wear IN the gas chamber, Frankie...?!?! Where did you specify Alpha's, Dudly? I didn't, but you suggested that I wasn't wearing out that "Cash Sales" smell otherwise. Corporal on the second round of cutting scores (and that was in the rank-tight Avionics MOS of 6616) Very impressive, especially when enlisted in the only branch of the military that doesn't use cutting scores for promotions. They did in the 70's, Frankie. No, they didn't, Dudly. Yes they did, Frankie the Liar. ...Sergeant in less three years of my arrival in boot camp... Which means you were promoted only twice in the 15 years that followed. A record to be proud of, I'm sure. I wasn't the only Sergeant in the Avionics field that had to suck air for promotions, Frankie... Too bad your frame of reference doesn't seem to expand beyond your knee and your two court martials. Plural of 'court-martial' is 'courts-martial'. Some resource on USMC policy Frank of Silliland turned out to be! Your ignorance about the Marine Corps is exceeded only by your third-grade rhetoric -- hopefully that Pee-Wee Herman seminar you attended didn't include tips on public masterbation. Well now, Frankie! I see who's pulling THIS into the sandlot! Gotta hurt, though...I am sure that, for a couple of days, it felt "good" taking some swipes at someone who managed to accomplish something you DIDN'T in the Marines...make it to a Staff NCO rank. Two promotions in 15 years as a staff NCO, selected by cutting scores that were never used, and granted with promotion certificates you can't read. Yeah, you sure made your case, Dudly. Hey screwball... WHERE did I say SNCO ranks were selected by cutting scores...?!?! SNCO's never were... But LPCL through Sergeant were! PFC was almost automatic unless you picked your nose in morning formation. You're such an idiot. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank of Silliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 28 Aug 2005 05:54:46 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Since the chain of command was already in the field I couldn't request mast, so I refused the order. He then ordered me to serve on mess duty while awaiting office hours, which I also refused (since I was supposed to be on light-duty). The result was a summary court-martial, a month in the brig and reduction back down to private. And a big hit on my conduct marks. It's all becoming very, very clear. Was the shop chief an "A" NCOIC with a God complex? It wouldn't matter. Frankie took a spill over one of his own "trip ups". A Marine has the RIGHT to Request Mast to HIGHER headquarters irrespective of the consent or advice of the lower level command. That his "chain of command" was "in the field" was irrelevent. He had recource. He didn't pursue it. Obviously the OIC of the Court Martial wasn't impressed with Frankie's story, either. USMC Court Martials don't like having judgements overturned on appeal anymore than civilian courts do, and had Frankie had VALID reason for refusing an order, they would have, at the very least, returned the issue back to his commander for Article 15 (Office Hours). Seemingly he HAD that reason. There's more to the "big story" than Frankie's telling of it... Nothing that you couldn't figure out from what I told you already. The presiding officer ("OIC of the Court Martial"? LOL!) made his decision based on the evidence and testimony presented, which -didn't- include the medical evaluation from mainside hospital because that had not yet occured. You also missed the part about the shop chief getting a reprimand for lifting my light-duty chit and giving me an illegal order. It's clear that you can't comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your twisted little fantasies. I understand them fine. You violated a lawful order and took your chances for it. And if there was mitigating evidence as to your culpability in your court martials, they could have been overturned on appeal. Obviously they weren't. Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ...... I know more than you think. I also know your convictions can still be appealed. Guess you don't care enough to fix them...or you were trutly guilty as charged and just don't want to get your nose rubbed in your Silliness again... And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was pock-marked with not one but two court martials. No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-. Based on what? A less than Honorable discharge? Yeeeah...Right. You're the one in the credibility deficit, Frankie. Only in -your- eyes, Dudly, because you deny the facts. What facts? That you were incompetent as a Marine and twice court martialed? I accept that. You have certainly proven your worthiness of the discharge you received here, that's for sure. Nor does my "credibility" in this NG count on ANY of my service in the Corps...This is an Amatuer Radio forum, and I am an Amateur Radio operator. So? It's not like there haven't ever been any off-topic threads in this group before. For once you come close to some truth. That didn't hurt too bad, did it? You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a ham? It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible" attitude shows... You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in response to MARKIE'S frequent changes. So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise.... As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour... And it seems to me that "Laying Waste To Frank of Silliland's Especially considering the source of the phrase -- someone that would rather call me schoolyard names instead of addressing the facts. They've been "addressed", Frankie. You just insist on continuing to try and make it appear otherwise. But I really am suprised that you haven't started with the Gilligan jokes; like, "Hey Frank, where's the professor?", or "How come you haven't bopped Mary Ann?" Perhaps the Professor bores easily and Mary Ann has better taste...?!?! After all, that type of rhetoric certainly isn't beneath you, as you have proven in the past few days. Were you saving those quips for later? Naw, you probably aren't smart enough to think of stuff like that -- I didn't start to hear the Gilligan jokes until 5th or 6th grade, and you seem to be limited to a 3rd grade education. As a matter of fact, no, I hadn't thought of any "Gilligan" jokes, nor would I have... But YOU did, which leads me to wonder from what scarred psyche you draw that from. As for the "last few days", I point out that YOU have done nothing but simply go from being marginally plausible in your arguments to being absolutely comical. You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. No more than any other, Frankie. Nice try. Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else. You fell off your pedestal, Dudly. I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone. Had you been paying attention at some time in the past, you would have known that. And you ahve tried to make some "points" about typing mistakes I ahve made, yet have had a few of your own..Big deal. The difference is that I never tried to be the spelling cop. You did. Once again, it's not about me, Dudly. It's about you and your lies (or hypocrisy, as the case may be). What lies? What hipocracy? All your defensive tag-team parters have abandoned you. So someone doesn't post for 24 hours and they've "abandoned" the thread? Dave Heil was quite passionate about your defense, yet even -he- hasn't posted for quite a while. Maybe he started looking at the situation objectively and saw that you -are- a fraud. Who knows. I'm sure he will speak for himself on the subject..... eventually. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! I see...Someone doesn't tow your line for more than a post or two and they have "abandoned" something... Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS, Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of things. Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out to be... Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because they have no interest in defending your lies. What lies? Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single one, Frankie. No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to records that verify my having served. YOUR lie disposed of. In your frenzy of hatred you don't even realize that you frequently contradict your previous claims, sometimes even in the same sentence; e.g, "My original says 'HONORABLE.'" Yes it does, Dudly, but you left out a few words, like "General under 'Honorable' conditions". And if your "original" was honorable then there's no need to get it changed. Mine just says "HONORABLE", Your Busted-to-Nonratedness. JUST "Honorable". No qualifiers. That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly. Nice try again, Frankie. You're getting lame. And again you try to base what happened to YOU as the one-and-only truthfulness of the Marine Corps. You're a disgraced loser, Frankie. There's nothing I can do to fix that. And now it appears that "liar" is appropriate for you, too. And even after your tirade about me snipping your posts you just snipped my point about your "HONORABLE" discharge being "original" while claiming to have had it later upgraded. That's evasive, Dudly. So what does your -REVISED- discharge certificate say? What you quote as "upgraded" was nothing of the sort. But it seems YOU are all about fighting other people's fights, all the while trying to "diss" others who speak up in support of me. Just one more bogus excuse after another. Rarely do you reply to any post that confronts you with hard facts -- instead you seek posts that you think you can spin and maybe bluff yourself into a positive light. Even when you -do- address hard facts you are always wrong; e.g, the USMC didn't use cutting scores for promotions in the '70's, either. Lie, lie and more lie, Frankie. Prove it. Prove me wrong, Dudly. Post any sort of convincing proof that you are who you claim. Anything that I have posted to prove my -own- service will be just fine (except for the telephone token, of course). Already proven "wrong" by (1) my name and picture on several sites and (2) by providing refrence to public records that you have already "dismissed". Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me. You're embarrassing yourself but you are too embellished in your lies to admit it -- probably even to yourself. Nope. I tell the truth about my service, good or bad; but while all you do is try to crush my credibility by dwelling on my mistakes, you don't even realize that openly admitting my mistakes gives me more credibility than you will -ever- achieve. Congratulations on being able to look yourself in the mirror and convince yourself that having been court martialed twice is a prideful thing, Frankie. So you are trying once again to misrepresent my statements -- I said nothing of the sort. I -am- proud of what I have accomplished in life, and I -am- proud to have the integrity to be honest about who I am. Apparently these simple concepts elude your understanding. That's something for which you can blame your mommy and daddy -- clearly they didn't teach you about such virtues as honesty and integrity. I am not misrepresenting your statements in the least. You present yourself here as some sort of "authority" on all-things-Marine, but have been proven to have been an incompetent Marine...Yet you wear your failure like some badge of honor... That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do what you promised you'd do. I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a single black mark in my SRB. Maybe you can teach that technique to some of the folks who appear on "America's Most Wanted". Why would I do that? The criminals that are profiled may have the same anti-social characteristics as you, but as far as I know you haven't done anything so bad as to get your mug-shot shown on national TV..... or have you? Nice twist..smooth...avoided the bullet but still close enough to hear it whistle by your ear... And then there's the biggie: You put -so much- effort into protecting your story when it would be so much easier to just scan your DD-214, or discharge certificate, or dog-tag, etc, block out the important info just like I did, and post it. The issue would be resolved and you wouldn't be challenged any more. But you don't because your claims are nothing but lies and you -love- the attention. And you...?!?! I have already posted more than enough info to prove my service -beyond- the scope of public records, yet short of disclosing my SSN. I showed you that it -can- be done, and -how- it can be done. What's your excuse -NOW-? What "excuse" do I need? I HAVE provided reference to public records, and those records are as irrefuteable as the Privacy Act protected ones. You need to learn how to use effective paragraphs, Frankie. What does that have to do with your failure to provide proof of your USMC service? I haven't failed. You simply refuse to accept that it's the truth. That's YOUR problem, frankie, not mine. As for the rest, I've provided more than a few public resources to validate my "claims", as you call them through... What does it mean to "call them through..."? Is that how to use "effective paragraphs"? YOUR answer was to claim that they were, most likely, just someone with a similar name claiming someone else's "service". It's just another type of "identity theft" and it happens all the time. Don't you watch the news? Sure I do. And it's not applicable here. It's just a Feeble Five attempt to avoid the truth. Even if I do provide a copy of my -214, I expect no less than the same claims of "it's a forgery" or other such silliness. Of course you expect such criticism -- you have already rationalized that as an excuse to -not- provide such information. But you are ignoring the fact that I provided my DD-214 in high resolution just to pre-empt such a claim. And because it was high resolution I didn't scan the whole document -- it would have been a -huge- file. Now THERE is an excuse! Thirty years ago that WOULD have been a "-huge-" file to a TRS-80 that loaded data on music cassette tapes. Besides, the whole document isn't needed. Just the important parts, such as what I included in mine. So what's your excuse -=NOW=-, Dudly? There's no "excuse", Frankie... References to publically available resources have been made. You refuse to follow them up. Oh well. And you accuse -ME- of making "trip ups"? You're a fraud, Dudly. Your stories are a fraud, your USMC career is a fraud, your personality is a fraud, and your life is a fraud. Nope. Well, that's proof for sure. I guess all the facts are moot and you must be telling the truth about everything because you replied with a definitive "Nope". Thanks for clarifying that for me, Dudly. Unlike you and Lennie, I don't need to re-write "War and Peace" to effective respond. "Nope" was adequate. But your stories about it are. Feel free to prove me wrong. Already done. You're too much the coward to follow the trail yourself, Frankie. Frank Gilliland is a liar. More "truth-by-repitition". One would think by now that you could come up with a more effective argument...... or maybe even some proof! "repetition". It's already been proven...In each and every line where you call me a "fraud" or other such adjective over my USMC service. Refrences to public records have been provided. They prove that Frank Gilliland is a liar. Now I'm going to give you a suggestion: Take a couple weeks off from the newsgroups. Go camping, get some fresh air, a fresh perspective, and get laid if you can. Then come back here, come clean about your lies, and be yourself. What lies? The only one's being told here are by you and The Feeble Five Bretheren. Apparently you haven't been reading my posts..... oh, that's right, your reading comprehension extends only so far as to absorb whatever fits into your fantasy world. Obvioulsy you've not been reading MINE, or you'd know whatever fantasies I hold have nothing to do with you or the Feeble Five. Well, that's your problem, Dudly. Nope. It's yours. Everyone else here can read them with an objective frame of mind. And don't forget that your lies are now in the archives for however long the archives exist. IOW, they might be read by your great-great- grandkids (god forbid you should ever reproduce). I can only imagine how disillusioned they will be to find out who and what you really are. Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned. Disillusioned that grandpa got into a "fight" with a man he didn't know over issues that were easily disporven in the public domain. Silly Frankie... Well, don't be discouraged because you probably won't have to face them, even though they will be the victims of your public dysfunction. Maybe even the subject of public ridicule. And all because you get your kicks by impersonating someone you aren't. And there we have it again... Frank Gilliland making an untrue assertion in a public forum. Even if you -are- who you claim, they sure as hell aren't going to be proud of your behavior in this newsgroup over the past several years. But that's not your problem. And I seriously doubt it will be thiers... You will catch some flack to be sure, but that will eventually die down after a few months. Maybe you don't realize this but people -will- respect you for who you are even if you haven't accomplished much with your life -- heck, I should know! People already respect me for who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, even my REAL failures...Not the one's you've tried to manufacture here. Who? Anyone who has had professional interaction with me. Physicians and Nurses from California to Chattanooga...Marines that I served with. People who's lives I touch each and every day I go to work. But if you keep up with this ridiculous facade then don't expect things to improve because they won't. Of course if you really -like- all this negative attention then..... well, just know that it's people like you who keep state-funded mental health agencies in business. And it's people like you that keep me from WANTING to discuss my service in public. Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served. I already have. For the past couple weeks you have had the opportunity to make an absolute fool out of me -- what's preventing you from doing so? I'll tell you: because your claims are nothing but lies. No... Frank Gilliland has been making an absolute fool out of Frank Gilliland...What more could I possibly do? Frank has proven that he's a disgraced, court martialed (twice) ex-Marine. Now, just because he "says so", wants anyone/everyone to "trust" him when "dissing" MY service... Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. Right. You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps, Gilliland... ...yawn. And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine. You're that drunk at the end of the bar I was talking about. Actually, I'm the bartender. No wonder the drinks are watered down. So what'll it be, Dudly? I'll just keep making fun of your lying and deceit, Frankie. Of course you will -- you can't face the reality of your mental illness so you need someone else to blame (it's always someone else's fault, isn't it, Dudly?). Ah, yes! Just like the REST of the Feeble Five... Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental illness"... You've not "proved" a thing other than you are a disgraced non-rate and a newsgroup scoufflaw. A loser. If you believe it, it must be true. Facts? FACTS? We don't need no stinking FACTS!!! LOL!!! There are TWO facts here... I did Honorably serve in the United States Marine Corps and you're still a loser. To quote you...."yawn"... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 30 Aug 2005 02:33:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: cut Because they weren't appealed, or couldn't you figure that out by yourself? You can appeal a summary court martial on an issue of law or an issue of procedure, but not based on evidence that wasn't available or not presented at the hearing. Hence, no appeal. 18 alleged years in the USMC and you don't know squat about the UCMJ...... I know more than you think. you'd have to know more than he think you do, or for that matter than I think you do. OTOH no one is likely to find out what you might know under all the Bull**** you spew forth I also know your convictions can still be appealed. Guess you don't care enough to fix them...or you were trutly guilty as charged and just don't want to get your nose rubbed in your Silliness again... And as far as "trip ups" are concerned, let's take a closer look at your postings lately...... Since I started confronting your lies with facts your entire personality has changed. You used to be relatively calm and controlled, but now your posts are filled with nothing but repititious 'Hermanesque' catch-phrases and buzzwords that only -you- think are effective at bolstering your credibility. My "credibility" doesn't hinge on one tour in the USMC that was pock-marked with not one but two court martials. No, it's dependent upon the ability to independently verify the claims you have presented as facts; but alas, your claims CONTRADICT the facts while mine don't. Ergo, -you- have no credibility and I -do-. cut. You're not. Nor is Lennie. And it shows. (And that's NOT a "positive" thing...) Where, in the charter, does it require that anyone who posts here be a ham? It doesn't. But your snide, "Cut their throats any way possible" attitude shows... that is you balliwick Stevie You used to try and exert control over your challengers by starting new threads with almost every reply, yet for the past week you can't seem to break out of -this- thread. If you were paying attention, Frankie, the threads were in response to MARKIE'S frequent changes. So you have the mentality of a lemming -- as if -that's- a suprise.... As do you...Following your Feeble Five brothers without detour... Brothers? really now you are charting new ground in your delusions or is it just another Stevie lie cut You used to be the spelling cop, but now almost every post by you has several spelling errors because of the frantic rage that comes over you when replying to my posts. No more than any other, Frankie. Nice try. Nice try yourself; just a couple weeks ago you prided yourself on your ability to correct others on -their- spelling, putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal above everyone else. But all of a sudden you can't even find the spell-check button. Now you excuse yourself from bad spelling by claiming that you are just as faulty as everyone else. You fell off your pedestal, Dudly. I never was on one, Frankie, and had never put myself over anyone. big whooper Had you been paying attention at some time in the past, you would have known that. I guess it is Stevie that hasn't been paying attention but that is hardly news cut Most of what "goes on" in this forum HAS been going one for YEARS, Frankie...The "last few days" is irrelevent in the over all scheme of things. hmm you have made major admissiions in the last week been caught lying again yea very little in the scheme of things Or maybe they just realize that you're the loser you've turned out to be... Well, if -they- realized that much, why haven't you? You could have simply put me in your killfile and be done with me, just like you could have done with Len and others. Nope, you need to keep tabs on me and others so as to make sure that you can counter any bit of proof that exposes you as a liar. Your "friends" have abandoned you because they have no interest in defending your lies. What lies? one the lie that you were going to killfile some of us Neither you nor any of the other Feeble Five have proven a single one, Frankie. of course we have No, I am not predisposed to copying and posting my military records, but I HAVE provided more than a few PUBLIC reference to records that verify my having served. more stevie lies cut That's all it says, huh? An 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that has only one word printed on it: "HONORABLE". No qualifiers that would indicate to whom or what the word is referring, who printed it, who authorized it, or even why it exists? Whatever you say, Dudly. Nice try again, Frankie. You're getting lame. you have already admitted to being disabled and then denied it was pyscial so course it is mental as you are showing right now cut That you put your failed USMC service up front is nothing to be proud of other than to admit to yourself that you did indeed fail to do what you promised you'd do. Failed? Gee I would say being court marialed would make someone better suited to comment on such, Not that I would value such experence to go through it for nothing I was never a "poster" Marine, nor was I guest of honor at any of the presentations at 8th and I, but I DID manage to serve without a single black mark in my SRB. yea you were somekind kiss ass of course cut Actually, Frank, it will be YOUR offspring who are disillusioned. you do think a lot of yourself and of this medium cut Then don't discuss your service. Just prove that you served. I already have. proven nothing Stevie cut You're a humiliation to yourself and the Marine Corps, Gilliland... ...yawn. And that is, no doubt, why you're an EX Marine. indeed shows he grew up and moved on cut Can't carry the day with assinine arguments that are easily disproven with PUBLIC records, so start in on claims of "mental illness"... you are the one going about mental illness threats to call folks cut |
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: Dave Heil on Aug 28, 9:04 am wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: It has been quite varied and quite mild considering Len's typical insulting demeanor. What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to prevent Len from making those comments. The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon discrediting Len's comments and opinions. Correct. Questioning or discrediting is not what you claimed. What you said was that Len wasn't permitted to comment. You were incorrect. Tsk, tsk, tsk...Heil sails the river denial again. Denial, old bean? The words were there for everyone to read. Brian claimed one thing and then rapidly backpedals to another position. No back-pedalling, old has bean. Don't forget who was discussing moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose. You seem to have lost track of your own posted writings, Brian. You seem to love playing stupid. By the way, tell us who was discussing moderating and closing the newsgroup to non-hams and for what purpose. Dave K8MN Do your own homework. |
K4YZ wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 08:01:26 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Gotta hurt, though...I am sure that, for a couple of days, it felt "good" taking some swipes at someone who managed to accomplish something you DIDN'T in the Marines...make it to a Staff NCO rank. Two promotions in 15 years as a staff NCO, selected by cutting scores that were never used, and granted with promotion certificates you can't read. Yeah, you sure made your case, Dudly. Hey screwball... Huh??? Is RE-4YZ calling someone else a nut? Hi! WHERE did I say SNCO ranks were selected by cutting scores...?!?! SNCO's never were... Then you should have corrected it the first time Frank called you on it. Instead you go through this, "no they weren't, yes they were, no they weren't,..." nonsense that you're so famous for. You're just not believable. But LPCL through Sergeant were! PFC was almost automatic unless you picked your nose in morning formation. "no they weren't, yes they were, no they weren't,..." You're such an idiot. Steve, K4YZ Hi! |
On 31 Aug 2005 15:16:45 -0700, wrote in
.com: K4YZ wrote: Frank of Silliland wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 08:01:26 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Gotta hurt, though...I am sure that, for a couple of days, it felt "good" taking some swipes at someone who managed to accomplish something you DIDN'T in the Marines...make it to a Staff NCO rank. Two promotions in 15 years as a staff NCO, selected by cutting scores that were never used, and granted with promotion certificates you can't read. Yeah, you sure made your case, Dudly. Hey screwball... Huh??? Is RE-4YZ calling someone else a nut? Hi! WHERE did I say SNCO ranks were selected by cutting scores...?!?! SNCO's never were... Then you should have corrected it the first time Frank called you on it. Instead you go through this, "no they weren't, yes they were, no they weren't,..." nonsense that you're so famous for. You're just not believable. But LPCL through Sergeant were! PFC was almost automatic unless you picked your nose in morning formation. "no they weren't, yes they were, no they weren't,..." You're such an idiot. Steve, K4YZ Hi! One of the distinctions of the USMC, and something they pride themselves on, is that they don't use the same type of promotion system as the other services. No tests, no "cutting scores", etc. Promotions are -earned-, not handed out like pay raises. If you do above-average work and you get promoted more quickly than the average. Perform poorly and you don't get promoted at all. That's the way it is and that's the way it's always been. Oh yeah, and Marines always refer to their rank, not their pay-grade. If you hear a "Marine" say he was an E-7 then he wasn't a Marine. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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