From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm

wrote:
From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm
K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:


If fact,
Jimmie Noserve took me to task about being a "rear-area" type.
I guess all those books he read (to become an expert on warfare)
didn't tell him that NOBODY got to "choose" where they were
assigned.

But it is true, isn't it, that you were so far to the rear that you were
in a different country from where the Korean conflict was taking place?

Of course. :-) If Jimmie say it true, it must be true! :-)

Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true. The
Occupation was over when I was assigned there. Was I supposed
to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?" :-)

By the way, WHERE was this "front?" You guys keep talking about
the "front lines" like it was in World War ONE. Wasn't like
that. Ask Jimmie Noserve. He was THERE...in spirit...through
his books...he read all about it.

Nonetheless, I got to work real HF radio communications
for three years in a 24/7 radio station...even living IN a two
square mile antenna field for a while. [many more antennas
there than overweight "scampering" Davie can possibly put up]

Well, grizzled old Sarge, I just put up a brand new, enormous triband
yagi all by my lonesome.

Wow! All by your LONESOME? Gee, Davie, you need to get out more.
It would keep you from being so lonesome...

You have some PROOF of this accomplishment, yes?

I'll wager I've put up more antennas in the
past five years than you have in your lifetime.

I'm absolutely positive you have, dozens and dozens, hundreds and
hundreds of them, more than in several mens' lifetimes. Whatever
it is, YOU did MORE. You say so and that be that.

Wanna play some more "mine's bigger than yours"?

I don't "play" with antennas. On the big ones, I let the pros
do their jobs. They know how to erect them. I know how to
erect mine. :-)

I got to work real military HF communications during a four-year Air
Force hitch and plenty of government HF communications during a State
Department career. I've used antennas like rhombics, 3-30 MHz inverted
discones, double boom Collins LPA's at 90 feet and I've used magnetic
loops, open wire-fed flattops with autotuners, fan dipoles and even
crummy B&W "broadband" folded dipole "resistors". I've operated
satellite terminals with 9 meter dish antennas and with little suitcase
sat terminals. I've installed an maintained several generations of
STU's and operated high speed leased lines.

All by yourself? Wow! You have PROOF of that, yes?

I'll bet you were Behind The Lines in 'Nam, sending valuable intel
back to Hq, right? A vital asset to the military! Hip hip hooray!

Sorry, Davie, I didn't do a lot of radio communications (all by
myself) after my military service. I went into DESIGN of radio-
electronics, making the equipment from scratch.

My stint as a professional
in radio communications exceeded yours by several magnitudes.

Hundreds of magnitudes. Googles of them. Off the scale...

Now, what're you using for antennas for your lil R-70 vintage inhaler?

Why do you ask? Do you need HELP? Just ask.

BTW, my Icom receiver, purchased long ago, is NOT used in the wine
industry nor for private brewing. It has no olfactory sensing
inputs. It still works well as a 50 KHz to 30 MHz RADIO RECEIVER...
is within specification as of this March.


Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird
PFC"...?!??!

Sheesh...even Lennie made E5...

Did you catch the part where Jim didn't serve?

Jimmie Miccolis never served.
Mikey Coslo never served.
Dee Flint never served.
Brain Kellie WAS served (by "drudges") at the captain's table!

You act as if status as a veteran is something which gives you
entitlement to be condescending to those who were never in the military.

Tsk. I must be subconsciously picking up YOUR attitude! Gotta
watch myself.

No, your snarlingness, I don't feel "entitled" to condescension.
That's YOUR schtick. I DO feel absolutely ENTITLED to cuss out any
sumbish who wants to meanmouth whatever service I did for my country
especially so if they didn't serve. I don't take no snit from
pansies who were NEVER IN who want to "tell me like it is" IN the
military. YOU live with that, because that's how it goes down.

Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm


wrote:

From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm

K4YZ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

'smatter, Len? No comments about your sphincter post or the flying time
to Japan by Soviet Bear bombers?

If fact,
Jimmie Noserve took me to task about being a "rear-area" type.
I guess all those books he read (to become an expert on warfare)
didn't tell him that NOBODY got to "choose" where they were
assigned.

But it is true, isn't it, that you were so far to the rear that you were
in a different country from where the Korean conflict was taking place?


Of course. :-) If Jimmie say it true, it must be true! :-)

Why do you need to involve Jim? I just wrote it. :-)

Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true.

Well, there it is.

The
Occupation was over when I was assigned there.

Yep.

So you were in a different country and we still got treated, by you, to
what it was like to be under artillery attack.

Was I supposed
to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?" :-)

Not at all, Len. You just go into some social setting and whip out your
tiny DD-214. Maybe you could even recount the sphincter post.

By the way, WHERE was this "front?"

They didn't tell you? Well, during your time, it was in Korea.

You guys keep talking about
the "front lines" like it was in World War ONE. Wasn't like
that.

It wasn't? There weren't any defined front lines in Korea?

Ask Jimmie Noserve. He was THERE...in spirit...through
his books...he read all about it.

Anyone can read about it. It made all the history books too.


Nonetheless, I got to work real HF radio communications
for three years in a 24/7 radio station...even living IN a two
square mile antenna field for a while. [many more antennas
there than overweight "scampering" Davie can possibly put up]

Well, grizzled old Sarge, I just put up a brand new, enormous triband
yagi all by my lonesome.


Wow! All by your LONESOME? Gee, Davie, you need to get out more.
It would keep you from being so lonesome...

You have some PROOF of this accomplishment, yes?

I have 8x10 glossies. I'll sell any number of them to you for $4.95
each, postpaid. Alternatively, you can take a cross country drive.


I'll wager I've put up more antennas in the
past five years than you have in your lifetime.


I'm absolutely positive you have, dozens and dozens, hundreds and
hundreds of them, more than in several mens' lifetimes.

In the past five years? Nothing approaching that number. It doesn't
even have to be.

Whatever
it is, YOU did MORE. You say so and that be that.

I believe you have me confused with you.


Wanna play some more "mine's bigger than yours"?


I don't "play" with antennas.

No, I don't suppose you do.

On the big ones, I let the pros do their jobs.

Do you have big antennas at either of your two mortgage-free homes?
Perhaps you meant your comment in the usual Andersonesque sidewalk
superintendant way--that the pro antenna installers do their jobs and
that you stand by in case your advice might be needed.

They know how to erect them.

Don't you?

I know how to erect mine. :-)

Knowing how it is supposed to work and actually getting the job done can
be two very different things. :-)


I got to work real military HF communications during a four-year Air
Force hitch and plenty of government HF communications during a State
Department career. I've used antennas like rhombics, 3-30 MHz inverted
discones, double boom Collins LPA's at 90 feet and I've used magnetic
loops, open wire-fed flattops with autotuners, fan dipoles and even
crummy B&W "broadband" folded dipole "resistors". I've operated
satellite terminals with 9 meter dish antennas and with little suitcase
sat terminals. I've installed an maintained several generations of
STU's and operated high speed leased lines.


All by yourself? Wow! You have PROOF of that, yes?

Oh yes, I have proof. I'll be happy to send you photocopies at $4.95
per page, postpaid. Alternatively, you can choose to drive cross country.

I'll bet you were Behind The Lines in 'Nam, sending valuable intel
back to Hq, right? A vital asset to the military! Hip hip hooray!

I've done no bragging at all about my military communications work in
Vietnam. I will correct your claim in another post that I was assigned
to Air Force MARS. I was not. I operated MARS circuits in my off duty
time.

Sorry, Davie, I didn't do a lot of radio communications (all by
myself) after my military service.

Yessir. That was my point. You didn't.

I went into DESIGN of radio-
electronics, making the equipment from scratch.

Good for you, Len.


My stint as a professional
in radio communications exceeded yours by several magnitudes.


Hundreds of magnitudes. Googles of them. Off the scale...

I wrote nothing of "hundreds of magnitudes". I wrote "several magnitudes".


Now, what're you using for antennas for your lil R-70 vintage inhaler?


Why do you ask? Do you need HELP? Just ask.

Because you brought up my name and antennas earlier. I just wanted to
be clear on your abilities and experience in antennas. Thanks for the
offer of help though. If you drive cross country and actuall help, I'll
provide all the proof you seek at a heavily discounted rate.

BTW, my Icom receiver, purchased long ago, is NOT used in the wine
industry nor for private brewing.

I'm sorry. You've obviously misunderstood.

It has no olfactory sensing
inputs.

I understood that. I didn't ask what you were using for a nose.

It still works well as a 50 KHz to 30 MHz RADIO RECEIVER...
is within specification as of this March.

I'm happy for you.



Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird
PFC"...?!??!

Sheesh...even Lennie made E5...

Did you catch the part where Jim didn't serve?

Jimmie Miccolis never served.
Mikey Coslo never served.
Dee Flint never served.
Brain Kellie WAS served (by "drudges") at the captain's table!

You act as if status as a veteran is something which gives you
entitlement to be condescending to those who were never in the military.


Tsk. I must be subconsciously picking up YOUR attitude! Gotta
watch myself.

Try to find a post where I've done any such thing toward those who never
served in the military. This isn't the first time you've wrapped
yourself in bunting and belittled those, who for whatever reason, didn't
serve in the U.S. Armed Forces. I'm quite proud that I served, but I
don't find it necessary to take shots at those who did not.

No, your snarlingness, I don't feel "entitled" to condescension.

Then why have you done it so often?

That's YOUR schtick.

No, that's incorrect. You've done it frequently to a number of posters
here, who have not served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

I DO feel absolutely ENTITLED to cuss out any
sumbish who wants to meanmouth whatever service I did for my country
especially so if they didn't serve. I don't take no snit from
pansies who were NEVER IN who want to "tell me like it is" IN the
military. YOU live with that, because that's how it goes down.

....and you've just done it again.


Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.


Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Fri 26 Aug 2005 05:52

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm
wrote:


Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.

If you wish to discuss anal sex, find ANOTHER newsgroup for that.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Fri 26 Aug 2005 05:52


wrote:

From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm

wrote:



Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.


If you wish to discuss anal sex, find ANOTHER newsgroup for that.

You took my comment and turned it around. Then, when I respond to your
silly question, you think I'm discussing anal sex? What in the world is
the matter with you?

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Aug 26, 12:09 pm

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Fri 26 Aug 2005 05:52
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm
wrote:


Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.

If you wish to discuss anal sex, find ANOTHER newsgroup for that.

You took my comment and turned it around.

NOTHING was "turned around." The quotes are exact, in a linear form
from your posting.

Then, when I respond to your
silly question, you think I'm discussing anal sex?

Since you are anal-retentive on "rear area" issues, what I wrote
is the most plausible explanation for your non-turned-around
statement.

What in the world is the matter with you?

Nothing. I'm trying to (vainly it seems) to return to amateur
radio policy issues.

Up before the FCC at this very moment is 05-143, an NPRM on the
government's proposal to remove test element 1 from the license
examination requirements. Comments continue to come in on that
via Docket WT 05=235. The results of that and whether or not a
Report and Order will be issued removing the code test will most
definitely affect United States amateur radio in the near future.

You do not choose to discuss CURRENT amateur radio policy issues
but rather dwell on old, old arguments in here and are now anal-
retentive on "rear area" statements.

What is the matter with YOU?

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 26, 12:09 pm


wrote:

From: Dave Heil on Fri 26 Aug 2005 05:52

wrote:

From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm

wrote:



Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

Not yours.

If you wish to discuss anal sex, find ANOTHER newsgroup for that.

You took my comment and turned it around.


NOTHING was "turned around." The quotes are exact, in a linear form
from your posting.

I wrote nothing of serving anybody's rear. You did.


Then, when I respond to your
silly question, you think I'm discussing anal sex?


Since you are anal-retentive on "rear area" issues, what I wrote
is the most plausible explanation for your non-turned-around
statement.

It doesn't sound plausible at all.



What in the world is the matter with you?


Nothing. I'm trying to (vainly it seems) to return to amateur
radio policy issues.

That isn't evident from your recent posts.

Up before the FCC at this very moment is 05-143, an NPRM on the
government's proposal to remove test element 1 from the license
examination requirements. Comments continue to come in on that
via Docket WT 05=235. The results of that and whether or not a
Report and Order will be issued removing the code test will most
definitely affect United States amateur radio in the near future.

But you've chosen to discuss whether I can put up antennas.

You do not choose to discuss CURRENT amateur radio policy issues
but rather dwell on old, old arguments in here and are now anal-
retentive on "rear area" statements.

Your posts on Steve's service in the Marine Corps are about amateur
radio policy matters?

What is the matter with YOU?

One of my knees is bothering me and I haven't been getting enough sleep.
I'm wondering how best to tackle the mounting of a 6m yagi above my
homebrew 12/17m yagi.

Dave K8MN

Your posts on Steve's service in the Marine Corps are about amateur
radio policy matters?

What is the matter with YOU?

One of my knees is bothering me and I haven't been getting enough sleep.
I'm wondering how best to tackle the mounting of a 6m yagi above my
homebrew 12/17m yagi.

Dave K8MN

....................

May I be so bold as to have the audacity to agree with K8MN? While my
comments may not rest well with some of you "chairborne" commandos, it is
cheap and tawdry to call into question or submit falsehoods about the
service of Veterans.
Whether or not you approve of Veterans such as W4NTI or K4YZ, the fact
remains that they SERVED!
While you Chairborne Hams were nit-picking over license qualifications these
two guys were serving their, and YOUR, country.
I defer to K8MN. He is correct and "on the money". Would that the rest of
you do the same.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm

wrote:
From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm
K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:


If fact,
Jimmie Noserve took me to task about being a "rear-area" type.
I guess all those books he read (to become an expert on warfare)
didn't tell him that NOBODY got to "choose" where they were
assigned.

But it is true, isn't it, that you were so far to the rear that you were
in a different country from where the Korean conflict was taking place?

Of course. If Jimmie say it true, it must be true!

Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true. The
Occupation was over when I was assigned there. Was I supposed
to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?"

The point being that you never served in a forward area, let alone
a combat area. Matter of fact, the only thing "forward" about you is
bad manners and a propensity to deceive.

By the way, WHERE was this "front?" You guys keep talking about
the "front lines" like it was in World War ONE. Wasn't like
that. Ask Jimmie Noserve. He was THERE...in spirit...through
his books...he read all about it.

Then it would seem you were in good company, Lennie.

The only place YOU ever "served" on a "front line" was in a Clancy
novel or in the chow hall.

Nonetheless, I got to work real HF radio communications
for three years in a 24/7 radio station...even living IN a two
square mile antenna field for a while. [many more antennas
there than overweight "scampering" Davie can possibly put up]

Well, grizzled old Sarge, I just put up a brand new, enormous triband
yagi all by my lonesome.

Wow! All by your LONESOME? Gee, Davie, you need to get out more.
It would keep you from being so lonesome...

You have some PROOF of this accomplishment, yes?

Where's PROOF of YOUR station, Lennie?

Since you can't TRANSMIT, we've been asking for a pic of your
"monitoring station"...None yet.

Maybe you got one of those "Monitoring Station Registrations" that
CRB Books advertizes in the back of CQ and Popular
Communications...?!?!

I've worked Dave on the air...At least WE know he HAS antennas
up...

I'll wager I've put up more antennas in the
past five years than you have in your lifetime.

I'm absolutely positive you have, dozens and dozens, hundreds and
hundreds of them, more than in several mens' lifetimes. Whatever
it is, YOU did MORE. You say so and that be that.

Seems Lennie has a problem with truth.

Wanna play some more "mine's bigger than yours"?

I don't "play" with antennas. On the big ones, I let the pros
do their jobs. They know how to erect them. I know how to
erect mine.

I'm willing to bet the only antenna YOU have ever "erected" was a
set of Rabbit Ears.

I got to work real military HF communications during a four-year Air
Force hitch and plenty of government HF communications during a State
Department career. I've used antennas like rhombics, 3-30 MHz inverted
discones, double boom Collins LPA's at 90 feet and I've used magnetic
loops, open wire-fed flattops with autotuners, fan dipoles and even
crummy B&W "broadband" folded dipole "resistors". I've operated
satellite terminals with 9 meter dish antennas and with little suitcase
sat terminals. I've installed an maintained several generations of
STU's and operated high speed leased lines.

All by yourself? Wow! You have PROOF of that, yes?

Gee, Lennie...Seems you ahve a bit of competition...

Well...No...I stand corrected...

You're no competition for anyone in THIS forum....

I'll bet you were Behind The Lines in 'Nam, sending valuable intel
back to Hq, right? A vital asset to the military! Hip hip hooray!

Sorry, Davie, I didn't do a lot of radio communications (all by
myself) after my military service. I went into DESIGN of radio-
electronics, making the equipment from scratch.

"All by yourself? Wow! You have PRROF of that, yes?"

Sorry Lennie...had to use it...It fit so appropriately!

My stint as a professional
in radio communications exceeded yours by several magnitudes.

Hundreds of magnitudes. Googles of them. Off the scale...

Now, what're you using for antennas for your lil R-70 vintage inhaler?

Why do you ask? Do you need HELP? Just ask.

Why?

You wouldn't begin to know how to get one up, Lennie.

BTW, my Icom receiver, purchased long ago, is NOT used in the wine
industry nor for private brewing. It has no olfactory sensing
inputs. It still works well as a 50 KHz to 30 MHz RADIO RECEIVER...
is within specification as of this March.

Obviously not.

You've not managed to log a single one of us so far!

Didya catch the part where he says he was ONLY a "####bird
PFC"...?!??!

Sheesh...even Lennie made E5...

Did you catch the part where Jim didn't serve?

Jimmie Miccolis never served.
Mikey Coslo never served.
Dee Flint never served.
Brain Kellie WAS served (by "drudges") at the captain's table!

You act as if status as a veteran is something which gives you
entitlement to be condescending to those who were never in the military.

Tsk. I must be subconsciously picking up YOUR attitude! Gotta
watch myself.

I found myself dealing with YOUR attitude this morning, Lennie.

But then I dropped it in the bowl and pushed the handle and it
went away.

No, your snarlingness, I don't feel "entitled" to condescension.
That's YOUR schtick. I DO feel absolutely ENTITLED to cuss out any
sumbish who wants to meanmouth whatever service I did for my country
especially so if they didn't serve.

The point here is that NO ONE has "mean mouthed" your "service",
Lennie.

And what I have "mean mouthed" was your attempts to use the
sacrifices of men who died three years BEFORE you were even IN the Army
to facilitate your sillinessx in here...

I don't take no snit from
pansies who were NEVER IN who want to "tell me like it is" IN the
military. YOU live with that, because that's how it goes down.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Now we have it...There's the "manhood" issue!
Lennie "served" (wore a uniform, an act he tries to deride ME about...)
ergo anyone else is "less a man"...

Every time I see such nonsense, it seems to be from a guy who served in
the rear someplace.

Tsk. Whose rear have you served lately?

You been spending time at Markie's house, Lennie? That sounds
like something he'd do......

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 25, 7:12 pm
wrote:
From: on Aug 25, 2:42 pm
K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

If fact,
Jimmie Noserve took me to task about being a "rear-area" type.
I guess all those books he read (to become an expert on warfare)
didn't tell him that NOBODY got to "choose" where they were
assigned.

But it is true, isn't it, that you were so far to the rear that you were
in a different country from where the Korean conflict was taking place?

Of course. If Jimmie say it true, it must be true!

Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true. The
Occupation was over when I was assigned there. Was I supposed
to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?"

The point being that you never served in a forward area, let alone
a combat area. Matter of fact, the only thing "forward" about you is
bad manners and a propensity to deceive.

The point is that a low-ranking Marine knew enough to call you out on
your military service lies.

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

Japan was not DIRECTLY involved in the Korean WAR, true. The
Occupation was over when I was assigned there. Was I supposed
to break rules, go against the UCMJ, to go to the "front?"

The point being that you never served in a forward area, let alone
a combat area. Matter of fact, the only thing "forward" about you is
bad manners and a propensity to deceive.

The point is that a low-ranking Marine knew enough to call you out on
your military service lies.

Obviously not.

He didn't get any of it right.

And his "agenda" was laid bare in the process.

Try again, Your Couch Potatoness.

Steve, K4YZ