From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.

You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.

CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.

Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver.

...nor build a transmitter.

You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.

By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in
order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur.

That's very important to Heil. He has specified as well
as defined and his word is paramount. :-)

Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.

Nor did I for the vast majority of DoD contract work I did.

DoD contracts on RF emission generally do NOT require
any contractee or employees to hold any civilian radio
operator license. The DoD contract terms were very
specific and many, many references to MIL STDs and
other documents. None had any mention of "amateur
radio licensing."


Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15.

But ONLY INSIDE the allocated radio amateur bands and then
ONLY using the allocated modes/modulations for amateurs.

The minute those amateur radio licensees operate OUTSIDE
those ham bands/frequencies, they are ILLEGAL unless they
have OTHER radio operator licenses such as Commercial or
MARS.

Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
this little factoid the better.

Sorry, Frank, but those "sooper-dooper hambos" have their
FIXATION on their "federally-authorized status" as "official"
amateur radio operators with licenses. Very important self-
definition of their "officialdom."

Rather than enjoy the "magic" of radio communications, those
"sooper-dooper hambos" would rather make themselves into some
guild-craft-union "authorized" "qualified" "federally licensed"
super-beings-of-radio who think they have the "power" to talk
down to "lesser" humans by virtue of their federally-authorized
license grant.

A further sign of that is the constant use of "official" as
a word to denote "what hams do, use (in jargon, forms from
the ARRL such as "radiogram" forms, and definitions as
made by the ARRL). There is only ONE way to "do" amateur
radio and that is by the traditionally-established methods,
terminology, abbreviations (as used on "CW"). Amateur radio
to them is MUCH MORE than a hobby, a recreation done for
personal enjoyment, a non-pecuniary-compensation activity.
It is a LIFESTYLE and the raison d'etre of their apparent
being. shrug

We must all DO as they do, THINK as they think, PERFORM to
their levels of achievement, or we are the subject of
countless demeanings, denigrations for not being as superb
as they. shrug

wrote:
From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard.
One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.
CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?
Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.
Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver.

...nor build a transmitter.

You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.

By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in
order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur.

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams. That's all there is to it.
You've not done so.

That's very important to Heil. He has specified as well
as defined and his word is paramount. :-)

Ambassador Johnny Young was named a Paramount Chief in Sierra Leone.
I didn't participate. My word used to be "Paragon". Later, it was
"Omni VI". At the moment, my word is "Orion". :-) :-)

Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.

Nor did I for the vast majority of DoD contract work I did.

Great! Problem solved. You still don't need one, providing you don't
intend to operate under Part 97.

DoD contracts on RF emission generally do NOT require
any contractee or employees to hold any civilian radio
operator license. The DoD contract terms were very
specific and many, many references to MIL STDs and
other documents. None had any mention of "amateur
radio licensing."

Then why did you feel it necessary to bring it up?


Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15.

But ONLY INSIDE the allocated radio amateur bands and then
ONLY using the allocated modes/modulations for amateurs.

There's a funny thing about that. The use of those allocated amateur
bands and power levels authorized for Part 97 use is what drove us to
obtain amateur radio licenses. Go figure!

The minute those amateur radio licensees operate OUTSIDE
those ham bands/frequencies, they are ILLEGAL unless they
have OTHER radio operator licenses such as Commercial or
MARS.

Here's a resounding "DUH!" for you.

Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
this little factoid the better.

Sorry, Frank, but those "sooper-dooper hambos" have their
FIXATION on their "federally-authorized status" as "official"
amateur radio operators with licenses. Very important self-
definition of their "officialdom."

It is simply the very definition (no "self-definition" about it) of
amateur radio. Yeah, I'm absolutely fixated on that license.

Rather than enjoy the "magic" of radio communications, those
"sooper-dooper hambos" would rather make themselves into some
guild-craft-union "authorized" "qualified" "federally licensed"
super-beings-of-radio who think they have the "power" to talk
down to "lesser" humans by virtue of their federally-authorized
license grant.

Feel free to use your vintage Icom receiver, television receiver,
cellular phone or tiny Johnson to enjoy all of the radio magic you can
muster.

A further sign of that is the constant use of "official" as
a word to denote "what hams do, use (in jargon, forms from
the ARRL such as "radiogram" forms, and definitions as
made by the ARRL). There is only ONE way to "do" amateur
radio and that is by the traditionally-established methods,
terminology, abbreviations (as used on "CW").

There's only one way to handle NTS traffic. It'd be bedlam to do
otherwise. What's it to you?

Amateur radio
to them is MUCH MORE than a hobby, a recreation done for
personal enjoyment, a non-pecuniary-compensation activity.
It is a LIFESTYLE and the raison d'etre of their apparent
being. shrug

To some, it is a lifestyle. To some, amateur radio is a thing in which
they participate for a few hours a week or a few hours a month. Every
one needs at least one passion, Leonard. I have a number of them. Jobs
are what people do in order to support themselves--to put bread on the
table and to support their passions. Very few people have jobs which
*are* their passions. Most of those die soon after they stop working
because their reason for existence has disappeared.

We must all DO as they do, THINK as they think, PERFORM to
their levels of achievement, or we are the subject of
countless demeanings, denigrations for not being as superb
as they. shrug

You don't need to do as I do, THINK as I do (or at all), PERFORM to my
levels of achievement. You'll be the subject of countless demeanings
and denigrations for as long as you attempt to blow in here and talk
down to radio amateurs. You're still on the outside, looking in.
You're still FIXATED on amateur radio and on haunting an amateur radio
newsgroup. You've been "getting into" amateur radio for forty years or
so. You're right in your prime--if people lived to be 140.

Dave K8MN

Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and
without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that
site was last touched by the "owner".

Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU.

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Eighty miles, eh...?!?!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0800, Frankie of Silliland
wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

not bad

I am sure he knew YOU would be impressed, Markie.

Steve, K4YZ

On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.
why ?
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On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
om:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.


Show me where I made such a claim.


http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and
without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that
site was last touched by the "owner".


Did something happen in the last five years to change the luminiferous
ether so that it will no longer propogate LW radio signals?


Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU.


Why should it? I don't run a beacon.


And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Eighty miles, eh...?!?!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed.


That's because you are an idiot.


Steve "Yellow Dog" Robeson, K4YZ


Who's your lawyer, Dud?








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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

wrote:
From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard.
One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.
CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?
Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.
Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver.

...nor build a transmitter.

You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.

By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in
order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur.

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.


Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?










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Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.

Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without
going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a
"radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur.

He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things
that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home.

Seems there's a pattern here.

In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a
Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that
results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator
license by the applicant's government.

Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie.

Neither of them are Radio Amateurs.

They haven't got what it takes.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.
and you avoid the issue again

On 30 Jan 2006 06:47:39 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.
it work too

Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without
going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a
"radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur.

where do you get that

he is just comenting here

He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things
that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home.

as did you you after 18 year

or did get the choice leave or be prosecuted anyway you want it

Seems there's a pattern here.

In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a
Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that
results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator
license by the applicant's government.

say waht authority

Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie.

Neither of them are Radio Amateurs.

They haven't got what it takes.

Steve, K4YZ

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