"scott" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:54:27 +0000, ian field wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
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"ian field" wrote:

You'd think someone keen to show off they're tech savvy enough to play
with
yEnc would be tech savvy enough to have progressed on from dial up!

I don't get the whole "tech savvy" thing with yEnc, Ian. There is
plenty of software out there that makes yEnc "invisible". It's not even
a factor in any way. My newsreader displays all images and decodes all
mp3's, etc., yEnc or no yEnc. I know nothing about it and do nothing
for it.

Dave

If there was a simple and "invisible" plug in for Outlook Express I'd
probably install it, but as it stands the majority of people can't be
bothered with it so anyone who posts a picture and asks everyone to help
them are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Scott.

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For want of a "round-tuit" - I've downloaded several distributions of Linux
and set aside as many boxes to try them out on, but at the moment I've got a
bit busy getting to grips with PIC programming.

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

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"ian field" wrote:

"Dave Moorman" wrote in message
]...
In article ,
"ian field" wrote:

No - I'm more into industrial type electronics and TVs/monitors although
I've started taking PW since the demise of Television Magazine and
Technology @ Home.

What's PW?

Dave

Practical Wireless - it used to have a broader appeal many years ago, but is
now almost entirely ham-radio cantered.


I see! Looks interesting, but at £55.00 per year in the States, I think
I'll pass on a subscription.

Dave

In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?

Dave



Dave

Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?



What about people uses computers other than Windows, Linux or Mac? I
know people who use Commodore Amiga computers, and I have heard that
someone has managd to use a Commodore 64 to access Usenet. Both ot
these can display GIF files, but can not convert Yenc.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:40:20 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Ken Doyle" wrote:

"scott" :wrote:
Well, there's your problem Ian. You're still using Micro$oft Outhouse
Express. Free yourself from the tyranny that is MS and liberate your
machine with Open Source Software!

Fact: Most casual computer users that do newsgroups use a Microsoft program
like Outlook Express. If you post a picture in yEnc you limit your audience
by adding extra steps (and programs) to decode the post.

As Jimmy Durante said: "Deez are da conditions dat prevail".

yEnc doesn't make the files all that much smaller or easier to decode, it
might be worth it for a busy binary newsgroup with a lot of mulit-part
messages, but even then the space saving is not impressive. Many people
believe that yEnc was developed purely to screw Microsoft. I'm sure
something better will come along any month now, no need to change formats
every time the wind blows.

Ken D.

Thanks for the background, Ken. I guess the next question is: Why is it
so hard for MS software to decode yEnc?

I'm not a fan of yEnc and don't care if it's used or not, because it's
all the same to my Usenet software. But I'm always surprised at how
difficult it is for some people, all PC users. Is MS unable or
unwilling to include yEnc decoding in Outlook Express?



What about people uses computers other than Windows, Linux or Mac? I
know people who use Commodore Amiga computers, and I have heard that
someone has managd to use a Commodore 64 to access Usenet. Both ot
these can display GIF files, but can not convert Yenc.


Michael,

I primarily use Ubuntu Linux, but I do have a Windows 2000 partition that
tries to work. I loaded the OS and all my hardware was detected. It was
actually easier than loading Windows. I used the built in download
utility to download the PAN newsreader. I then went to the easyubuntu.org
site and downloaded that utility. Once I ran one small line of code from
the easyubuntu instructions, the utility allowed me to install the most
commonly used plugins and codecs to enable any non open source multimedia
applications including yenc. Now whenever I click on a yenc encoded post
PAN just opens it. No muss or fuss. I neither like nor dislike yenc. I
just know it works without any problems on my system. I also know I never
have liked OutLook Express as a newsreader. Its just not easily
customizable for my particular needs. When I was running a MAC I used
Hogwasher as my newsreader. None of this is real geeky stuff and it works
with older hardware. I just got sick and tired of getting out the credit
card every 3 years to pay Microsoft and then find I needed new hardware
and other software as well. My wife likes Ubuntu so much she stopped using
her MAC. She says it's easier and make more sense to her. Of course there
is a cost to all this... free. If you are too lazy to learne how to
download and install linux, the ubuntu folks will send you a free CD in
the mail if you email them requesting one. Think free, like in, freedom of
speech.

Scott.

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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

scott wrote:

Michael,

I primarily use Ubuntu Linux, but I do have a Windows 2000 partition that
tries to work. I loaded the OS and all my hardware was detected. It was
actually easier than loading Windows. I used the built in download
utility to download the PAN newsreader. I then went to the easyubuntu.org
site and downloaded that utility. Once I ran one small line of code from
the easyubuntu instructions, the utility allowed me to install the most
commonly used plugins and codecs to enable any non open source multimedia
applications including yenc. Now whenever I click on a yenc encoded post
PAN just opens it. No muss or fuss. I neither like nor dislike yenc. I
just know it works without any problems on my system. I also know I never
have liked OutLook Express as a newsreader. Its just not easily
customizable for my particular needs. When I was running a MAC I used
Hogwasher as my newsreader. None of this is real geeky stuff and it works
with older hardware. I just got sick and tired of getting out the credit
card every 3 years to pay Microsoft and then find I needed new hardware
and other software as well. My wife likes Ubuntu so much she stopped using
her MAC. She says it's easier and make more sense to her. Of course there
is a cost to all this... free. If you are too lazy to learn how to
download and install linux, the ubuntu folks will send you a free CD in
the mail if you email them requesting one. Think free, like in, freedom of
speech.


I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.


I have no problem using Linux, and have helped others install it on
their computers but the news reader I prefer doesn't support Yenc.

It's not an OS issue, but it doesn't matter. I'll continue to delete
Yenc when I see it, because I will not change from software that works
for me, for someone else's convenience.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.

I inherited a new computer that my older brother had bought just before
he died, Mike. He had it long enough to install Windows on one
partition and SUSE Linux on the other. I've fired it up a couple of
times but of course have no passwords, so I may have to re-install Linux
to make it usable.

So...I was wondering which version of Linux you liked?

Dave

Dave Moorman wrote:

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I downloaded it months ago, but I'm testing another version of Linux
(Mandiva) right now. I have looked at various versions of Linux for
over 10 years.

I inherited a new computer that my older brother had bought just before
he died, Mike. He had it long enough to install Windows on one
partition and SUSE Linux on the other. I've fired it up a couple of
times but of course have no passwords, so I may have to re-install Linux
to make it usable.

So...I was wondering which version of Linux you liked?

Dave


Like I said, i am trying out Mandiva right now. The Red Hat I tried
a few years ago never did work right.

I will install Unbutu on another computer to try it. I have about 20
repairable computers right now, with no OS because the hard drive
failed, or the previous owner reformatted the hard drive. I want to
compare the different versions side by side, rather than sequentially.


I loaned the computer with Mandiva to a friend who is very computer
illiterate. he loved it, and got a CDROM with Unbutu Linux and
installed it on one of his older computers, and he likes it. There has
been a fair amount of discussion on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking about
different versions of Linux. Check the Google Groups Archives.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ has the full OS free for download, or you can
have them mail you a free bootable CDROM with it.

If you need any help getting the computer up and running, let me
know.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I loaned the computer with Mandiva to a friend who is very computer
illiterate. he loved it, and got a CDROM with Unbutu Linux and
installed it on one of his older computers, and he likes it. There has
been a fair amount of discussion on: news:rec.crafts.metalworking about
different versions of Linux. Check the Google Groups Archives.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ has the full OS free for download, or you can
have them mail you a free bootable CDROM with it.

If you need any help getting the computer up and running, let me
know.

Thanks, Michael. I'll look into Ubuntu.

Dave