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On Sep 29, 8:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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SFTV_troy wrote:

I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of
DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes
pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like
shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an
Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England.
DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet.

Uh... that's NOT DX'ing.

It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century.

That may work out for you but most people do not have the self
delusional capacity you possess.

The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many AM
(MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or less than
a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was sold at the
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And what percentage of people lie about their educational backgrounds?

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On Sep 29, 8:27 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:

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SFTV_troy wrote:

I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of
DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes
pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like
shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an
Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England.
DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet.

Uh... that's NOT DX'ing.

It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century.

Edwina, you're an idiot.

I suppose it was my idea to discontinue the R8B? There was not enough
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No, it's your idea to somehow discontinue the internet. Good luck with
that.

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On Sep 29, 11:21 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD
channels. Where is the logic in that?

Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs
in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD
2 channels, there is.

Now, now, Eduardo... you know full well that the reason that a given
format is not available in a given market is because it's just not
profitable to program it.

That is absolutely untrue.

There are many profitable formats that could be done that are not being done
because there are even more profitable formats that "use up" all the
available FM channels in the market.

Depending on the market, there are probably a dozen or so profitable,
although less so than those on the air already, formats available.

Call them what you will, they are simply formats 13 to 24 in a market with
12 or so stations.... profitable, salable, listenable. But not as profitable
as other formats, so they don't get broadcast until HD comes along.

The only difference with IBOC-FM is that now they can use a single plant
to provide multiple formats.. I don't see a lot of stations doing this,
though, on a long-range model, since these formats will still not be
profitable.

Sure they will be. Our Tejano formats on HD in 5 markets in Texas are
getting excellent response, and should be generating respectable income
soon, even without that many receivers out there. Tejano, as an example, was
about a 0.8 to 1.1 share format in Dallas on a signal that now has about a 2
share... the Tejano format was lost to the market till we put it on HD, and
now, over time, it will be a respectable performer... just right under the
better performing formats we have on the main channels.

Of course, you tried to get everyone to believe you had a college
degree, too.

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On Sep 29, 11:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many
AM (MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or
less than a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was
sold at the news rack at the corner drugstore and DXing was engaged in by
millions.

You DO realize, don't you, that most AMBCB DX'ers (or SWL's for that
matter) do not belong to clubs?

If someone is using a station in its skywave protected contour, that is not
DXing. That is listening to the station in its coverage area.

That most are not even aware these clubs exist? Do you think that I cared
about clubs when I was lying in the grass when I was 14 listening to
Wolfman Jack (or the Grand Ol' Opry on weekends) on my pocket radio?

Wolfman is something of a different time and a different generation. He was
got audience on AM, at XERF and then XERB, because there was not much local
radio. It was pre-FM.

Where I spent some time, north of Traverse City, MI, at night we listened to
Chicago's WLS because there was no local station you could hear, at all.
Today, there are a dozen FMs and an AM putting primary signals over the
little town of Omena, and nobody listens to AM who is under about 50 there.

And the Opry can be heard on the web much better than WSM ever could be
picked up.

Do you think that those kids listening to a ball game from a distant
station when they should have been sleeping know or care about DX clubs?

I don't see a heck of a lot of kids going to or listening to baseball games
any more. Another sign of the times... baseball is a slow, oldeer person's
sport (or a ticket out of the Dominican Republic).

Or the trucker tuning across the dial to find something worth listening to
(hard to do these days when all you got at night is George Noory)?

Most truckers have Satellite now... an excellent solution for drivers who
move from market to market, too.

Only the hardcore DX nerds know or care about DX clubs. Most just listen
for fun or the excitement of hearing something from far away.

Static, fading and noise are fun? It may have been when there were no
alternatives, but between the web and the FM dial and other portable
devices, it is not 1966 any more..

How's that GPA holding up?

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On Sep 29, 11:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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I just do not believe your contention that the numbers of people that
listen to night time AMBCB are small. I think there is a great deal of
regional listening at night and non-local stations during the day where
reception is of good quality such as where I live on the coast. There
are plenty of people that listen to stations that are not local in
order
to hear a program not broadcast locally.

There are no facts to support your contention. Listening to out of market
stations is very small (by the way, Ventura, Riverside West and San
Bernardino West are all in the LA DMA... the metro definition that
matches
the TV metro area). Still, in your county, there is pretty limited
in-market
listening to out of market stations.

You have no facts to support your contention since all the waking hours
revolve around the commercial radio books. The statistics you look at
don't address the regional listening. Now don't go back on the word of
your previous posts.

You have a mistaken impression of radio audience measurement. The fact is,
ANY radio station listened to in an Arbitron diary is processed. It does not
matter if it is commercial, public, religious, local, internet, satellite,
or a rare DX catch.

If enough mentions for enough time to create statistical reliability are
made the station is considered "in the book" but the Arbitron software
stations use lets us look at stations that may have a share of 0.0% but did
get one mention....

A sign that out of market listening is insignificant to radio and
advertisers comes with the already started roll out of the electronic People
Meter, which senses encoding on each station. Most "out of market" stations
so far are not encoded as it will not be till the end of next year that the
top 10 markets are on PPM; none of us cares about the 0.3% of listening to
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Yes, but since you lied about your education, why should we believe
you about this?

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On Sep 29, 11:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 29, 7:38 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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SFTV_troy wrote:

I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of
DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes
pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like
shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an
Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England.
DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet.

Uh... that's NOT DX'ing.

It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century.

While you're on the internet, maybe you should visit a diploma mill.
That would be right up your alley.

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Then why try to make others believe you have one?

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On Sep 29, 11:57 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Anybody who listens to AM radio at night around here is likely DXing.

I just ran a multi-book report on your area, called LA / NNE, and found that
less than 10% of all radio listening by 18-54 year olds is to AM. #1 and #2
stations are KLVE and KIIS, both Wilson FMs.

Did you do this after you "graduated" from college?

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On Sep 29, 11:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:40:18 GMT, Telamon
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Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs
in
any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD 2
channels, there is.

I'm sorry, I fail to see the logic of your argument. Try again.

He says that they're trying to compete with satellite radio.

No, satellite providers have nearly 150 channels each. Most channels are so
niche they could not be commercially viable anywhere. HD2's can pick the
remaining profitable formats and provide them for free.

Did you realize this while you were attending graduate school?

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On Sep 30, 12:05 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Perhaps, that's true. Although I know people in the business who are
still trying to prove something after 30 years in the big city. But when
you read it, and as Ace has pointed out several times that the content of
his website has changed more than once when his credentials were called
into question, it does give one reason to wonder not so much what it is
that's false, but what it is that may be true.

You called me an SOB, so it is my turn to call you one. The only thing on my
website that has changed in the last 4 years is the addition of a bunch of
old Radex, Whites and Stevenson's magazines. The bio / history is
essentially unchanged from when I cut and pasted it from my resume, about
year 2000. It's even got the same spelling errors.

Your knowledge of radio sales is dated, stilted and inaccurate; what a
significant Chicago station can do at a local agency does not in any way
affect the fact that agencies seldom enough to say "never" buy 55+ and
getting a buy's demo changed is as close to impossible as getting a tortoise
to fly.

I've also noticed this. As soon as someone begins pressing him on one
part of his resume, it suddenly begins changing. Sad that a man his
age would engage in such antics.

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On Sep 30, 12:10 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
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Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD
channels. Where is the logic in that?
Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of
FMs in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats.
With HD 2 channels, there is.
Now, now, Eduardo... you know full well that the reason that a given
format is not available in a given market is because it's just not
profitable to program it.

That is absolutely untrue.

There are many profitable formats that could be done that are not being
done because there are even more profitable formats that "use up" all the
available FM channels in the market.

Now, weren't you the one that said that before consolidation, 50% of
all stations were not profitable?

Yes, most are the dogs that can not be profitable. A B or C FM in a rated
market has a tough time losing money.... a daytimer has a tough time making
any, and most metro AMs are not profitable.

The bulk of brake even stations are small market ones.... the owner gets a
salary, but no return on the investment. the station is guaranteed lifetime
employment, unless it is an AM, in which case it should be good for 5 or 6
years still.



Since there is only a 100 share in ratings and revenue, how does
doubling, or even trebling the number of channels in a market, even under
consolidation, make these additional number of channels profitable?

Most radio operators know that unless we offer the variety of more formats,
many people will leave radio or use it less. In this case, we talk
ratings... if we want to preserve the same rating base, called Persons Using
Radio, we have to keep the erosion down. Markets are highly fragmented
already; in Houston's PPM the difference between #1 and #15 is 0.2 ratings
points. So some additional fragmenting in the family is better than losing
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Oh, is this what you wrote your dissertation on?