"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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I'm still waiting for a link for a 2nd generation HD radio from you in
quotes or did you forget?


The receivers coming later this year are third generation.

And I say they would be 2nd generation because all the radios out there
in the market are 1st generation. So if you could point out a 2nd
generation radio design it would be helpful.

No, they are not all first generation. Everything up to the BA Receptof HD
was first generation, and the stuff of the last two years is second
generation.

There were the prototypes with the demodulation part run on a card in a
computer. Then the 1st generation radios actually sold to the public
have general purpose DSP chips with all the supports parts needed to
adapt it to this specific IBOC application. The next generation will
have parts designed for IBOC and as such will have at least some degree
of optimization for this specific application. The parts count should
reduce and the required power should reduce. Hopefully performance will
improve and there will be more features provided.

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you will
see in Q3 to Q4.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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I'm still waiting for a link for a 2nd generation HD radio from you in
quotes or did you forget?


The receivers coming later this year are third generation.

And I say they would be 2nd generation because all the radios out there
in the market are 1st generation. So if you could point out a 2nd
generation radio design it would be helpful.

No, they are not all first generation. Everything up to the BA Receptof HD
was first generation, and the stuff of the last two years is second
generation.

There were the prototypes with the demodulation part run on a card in a
computer. Then the 1st generation radios actually sold to the public
have general purpose DSP chips with all the supports parts needed to
adapt it to this specific IBOC application. The next generation will
have parts designed for IBOC and as such will have at least some degree
of optimization for this specific application. The parts count should
reduce and the required power should reduce. Hopefully performance will
improve and there will be more features provided.

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you will
see in Q3 to Q4.

I disagree with your generational descriptions. They are not correct.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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..

I'm still waiting for a link for a 2nd generation HD radio from you in
quotes or did you forget?


The receivers coming later this year are third generation.

And I say they would be 2nd generation because all the radios out there
in the market are 1st generation. So if you could point out a 2nd
generation radio design it would be helpful.

No, they are not all first generation. Everything up to the BA Receptof HD
was first generation, and the stuff of the last two years is second
generation.

There is no real difference between what you call the 1st and 2nd
generation.

There were the prototypes with the demodulation part run on a card in a
computer. Then the 1st generation radios actually sold to the public
have general purpose DSP chips with all the supports parts needed to
adapt it to this specific IBOC application. The next generation will
have parts designed for IBOC and as such will have at least some degree
of optimization for this specific application. The parts count should
reduce and the required power should reduce. Hopefully performance will
improve and there will be more features provided.

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you will
see in Q3 to Q4.

These were the prototypes.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.

These were the prototypes.

Those were not prototypes. They were units like the Pioneer car stereos (the
ones nearly every engineer had) with HD and the BA Receptor.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.

These were the prototypes.

Those were not prototypes. They were units like the Pioneer car stereos (the
ones nearly every engineer had) with HD and the BA Receptor.

You think what you want but your definition does not match up what
anyone in the manufacturing industry thinks.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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[snip]


The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.



OK, so what's the actual difference between these generations? Hardware?
Software?

And which of these generations are ready for subscription radio?

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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[snip]


The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.



OK, so what's the actual difference between these generations? Hardware?
Software?

Chipset, software.

And which of these generations are ready for subscription radio?

None. I have never heard subscription radio talked about, in fact. Most
subscription based services are using other technologies.

David Eduardo wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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[snip]

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.


OK, so what's the actual difference between these generations? Hardware?
Software?

Chipset, software.
And which of these generations are ready for subscription radio?

None. I have never heard subscription radio talked about, in fact. Most
subscription based services are using other technologies.



David, David, David...now that's in direct conflict to something
discussed here a year ago. A conversation YOU chimed in on and admitted
that conditional access has been under test.

Now, c'mon...you may be busy, but you're not so busy you can'r
remember your own participation in a conversation on a worldwide forum.
Are you?

Or is there another reason you conveniently forgot?

D Peter Maus wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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[snip]

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.


OK, so what's the actual difference between these generations?
Hardware?
Software?

Chipset, software.
And which of these generations are ready for subscription radio?

None. I have never heard subscription radio talked about, in fact.
Most subscription based services are using other technologies.


David, David, David...now that's in direct conflict to something
discussed here a year ago. A conversation YOU chimed in on and admitted
that conditional access has been under test.

Now, c'mon...you may be busy, but you're not so busy you can'r
remember your own participation in a conversation on a worldwide forum.
Are you?

Or is there another reason you conveniently forgot?



Peter, what makes you think David is busy? he seems to live here
on this newsgroup 24/7.

Drifter...

--
"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists,
and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service."
- former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman,
unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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[snip]

The first generation is a description of the pre-FCC authorization
receivers. Second generation is what is out now, and thirds is what you
will
see in Q3 to Q4.


OK, so what's the actual difference between these generations?
Hardware?
Software?

Chipset, software.
And which of these generations are ready for subscription radio?

None. I have never heard subscription radio talked about, in fact. Most
subscription based services are using other technologies.

David, David, David...now that's in direct conflict to something
discussed here a year ago. A conversation YOU chimed in on and admitted
that conditional access has been under test.

That's not subscription radio, that is data with a fee. The things I have
heard of being tested are data streams, like stock quotes, weather, traffic
info (that's the biggie) and such, but not programming. FMeXtra is the
preferred substitute for subscription services over an FM station, as it can
carry many more program services than HD at decent quality and with the
ability to lock usage to enabled subscribers. There are LA stations already
with two or three subscriber based FMeXtra channels going.

Now, c'mon...you may be busy, but you're not so busy you can'r remember
your own participation in a conversation on a worldwide forum. Are you?

Again, it's data streaming that is or was being tested. Not pay-for-play
audio channels.

Or is there another reason you conveniently forgot?

No forgetting... it didn't exist.