On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

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On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'?

LMFAO

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What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"David Eduardo" wrote in
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The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither
logic not facts on their side.

By 2012, cars will have Internet radio stations available.

It's dying, and so are you.

On Dec 20, 11:35�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Eduardo - Serious question.

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the
dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical
problems at the FCC - Not much to report. �2009 looks bleak also.
Where do you think it's headed?

IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be
tough this year. �Even if low power radios become available in 2009
(and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is
closing fast.

What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay
fees to iBiquity in 2009?

Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee. So
that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of
the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market
issue.

The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one
that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that
happening fast. �But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a
wider window.

As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM
and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point
of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is
only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated.

BoobleStubble wrote:

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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point
of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is
only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated.

KNX sounds terrible. Before, when they faded a little bit, you hardly
noticed. Now, the Flubbermobile comes bubbling up every few seconds all
night long. Most annoying.

Dave wrote:
BoobleStubble wrote:

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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point
of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is
only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated.

KNX sounds terrible. Before, when they faded a little bit, you hardly
noticed. Now, the Flubbermobile comes bubbling up every few seconds all
night long. Most annoying.

And yes, I live in the alleged service area. I'm maybe 40 miles North
of Redondo Beach.

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM...
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.


I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

On Dec 20, 5:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM....
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

�The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

"No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static
location for
good reception. "

Oh really, funny that they use it in their cars. Same must apply to HD
radios in moving vehicles.

David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.
While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.