On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

*Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

"It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a
bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for
narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD. "

"Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror"

"We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM...
If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had
complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the radio
industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio
stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency. Do
the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out of
business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify
advertising."

http://tinyurl.com/6omhpv

"Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice"

"Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD
radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio
receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD
Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period."

http://tinyurl.com/33mtuo

On Dec 20, 5:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM....
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

�The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

"No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static
location for
good reception. "

Oh really, funny that they use it in their cars. Same must apply to HD
radios in moving vehicles.

On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Plenty of 50kw AMs left:

http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/50kwam.html

According to Mark Ramsey, it is the music-oriented FMs that are slowly
dying. Actuallt, radio is slowly dying, with ad revenues way down
along with lower TSL. Your whole industry, along with SW, is slowing
dying. Mobile Internet is your killer app.

On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

wrote:

On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...



If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.



There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'?

LMFAO

On Dec 20, 6:15 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

....

If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.

There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'?

LMFAO

Unlikely, but possible.

On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in
...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Plenty of 50kw AMs left:

Not one is #1 in sales demos, and the programming is moving to FM, leaving
far less appealing fare on the AM, which will eventually, like the band,
die.

wrote in message
...

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in
...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

Somebody read the ratings backwards. Most of the loss of audience is on AM,
not FM.

And satellite is in such dire straits that new subscribers are fewer than
the churn, and the concept has not made money yet... and likely won't. Who
cares what they offer?