"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM...
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.


I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

On Dec 20, 5:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM....
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

�The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

"No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static
location for
good reception. "

Oh really, funny that they use it in their cars. Same must apply to HD
radios in moving vehicles.

David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.
While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.
While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Bonneville also moved 50 kw KIRO to FM and 50kw WTOP, too.

On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats. Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim. Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.

On Dec 20, 9:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...
On Dec 20, 7:51 pm, Dave wrote:





David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

So? Arbitron has nothing to do with whether HD succeeds, is liked or
disliked.

David Eduardo wrote:


Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant.

Are the people who rely on such stations also irrelevant, because they
live 50 miles out of town? Why don't we pile up the 50 KW stations like
we do on 1240 and 1400? Build one every 300 miles like TV channels?

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§ 73.21 Classes of AM broadcast channels and stations.

(a) Clear channel. A clear channel is one on which stations are assigned
to [SERVE] wide areas. These stations are protected from objectionable
interference within their primary [SERVICE] areas and, depending on the
class of station, their secondary [SERVICE] areas. Stations operating on
these channels are classified as follows:

(1) Class A station. A Class A station is an unlimited time station that
operates on a clear channel and is designed to render primary and
secondary [SERVICE] over an extended area and at relatively long
distances from its transmitter. Its primary [SERVICE] area is protected
from objectionable interference from other stations on the same and
adjacent channels, and its secondary [SERVICE] area is protected from
interference from other stations on the same channel. (See §73.182). The
operating power shall not be less than 10 kW nor more than 50 kW. (Also
see §73.25(a)).

"Dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:


Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant.

Are the people who rely on such stations also irrelevant, because they
live 50 miles out of town? Why don't we pile up the 50 KW stations like
we do on 1240 and 1400? Build one every 300 miles like TV channels?

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§ 73.21 Classes of AM broadcast channels and stations.

(a) Clear channel. A clear channel is one on which stations are assigned
to [SERVE] wide areas. These stations are protected from objectionable
interference within their primary [SERVICE] areas and, depending on the
class of station, their secondary [SERVICE] areas. Stations operating on
these channels are classified as follows:

Your addition of the word "serve" is totally in contradiction with
everything the commission has done over the last 70 years. Stations, when
proof of "service" was required by community ascertainment lists, etc.,
determined the ijnterests and needs of the city of license and the
surrounding communities... not the outlying communities nor those reachable
by night skip, etc.

The purpose of the clear channels was to provide night service for the
networks back in the 30's when there were only a few hundred stations on the
air (in 1941 there were still less than 1000 of them) so the affiliate
serving Palm Springs was in LA. Radio nets don't care much about nights any
more, as that is TV's territory, and the nets that exist can pick up three
or four hundred affiliates for a show like Delialah or six hundred for Coast
to Coast, obviating the need for night skywave.

If you look at http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio_Annual_1941.htm in the
pages near the front there are maps and lists of the Mutual, CBS, Red and
Blue webs, and you can see why the networks wanted the clears and got them
assigned.