On 9/20/2010 9:36 AM, dave wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:


Consumerism or survival?

Do you allow for any shades of gray between those two extremes?

To me consumerism is bad if carried to extremes, i.e., a smaller
percentage of the wold's population consuming a larger percentage of the
world's resources.

"Survival" to me means living in a cave without electricity, eating
snakes and bugs.

Please clarify your definitions.


Consumerism is materialism, the opposite of spirituality.

If I have to "live in a cave" to try to save the future for my grandkids
I will do it.

I've already given up meat and air-conditioning and watering the lawn.


Have you given up showers?

Have you given up toilet paper?


Have you given up using energy to save animals, you can walk to the
rally and carry the animals to the critter health center.

I had to go to G.V.''Sonny'' Montgomery medical center, the VA
Horsepital.
I was grinding a drill bit, a tiny piece of grit got in my right
eyeball.I was wearing a cheap plastic goggles thingy, but that wasen't
good enough to keep that Sh!t out of my eye.I asked the eye doctor guy,
what is that gizmo? He said it is a Burr.He sprayed some kind of stuff
on my eyeball and then he picked that piece of grit out with that Burr.

Don't let nobody tell y'all that Burrs aren't good for anything.

Meaning no disrespect to Mr.Burr, of course.
cuhulin

John Smith wrote:


And, the rich-elite power brokers thank you,

Have you considered moving to san fransicko and eating tofu?

How does my living a more austere life make the corporations happy?

I don't ever want to live in a city again-too hard to escape.

John Smith wrote:
On 9/20/2010 7:01 AM, dave wrote:

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How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.

That begins an interesting thought. How, we Americans, greatly extended
our lifespans, health and well being from grazing humongous amounts of
beef and having the American diet centered around this excellent source
of protein.

Now that the rich find that the population is too expensive to feed a
diet of beef to, they wish to convert us over to a diet of rice, veges
and tofu. Some idiots will actually begin touting this as desirable! If
you ever doubt the lack of intelligence in a good portion of the
population, you just gave a good example of a reminder ...

You go eat that chit ... leaves more steak for me!

Regards,
JS

How about you give up meat 3 times a week?

bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:01 am, wrote:


How about we quit eating meat? That's the fastest, most effective means
of making a big difference.- Hide quoted text -

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Indeed, and that's what I did 21 years ago.

It's way easier than getting rid of the family car.

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Joe from Kokomo wrote:


For those that say we are getting cooler, they may be right. The very
latest solar data shows that the sun may be "slowing down" (for lack of
a better term) and that this will give us another cooling Maunder
Minimum as experienced circa 1600-1700.

On 9/20/2010 9:39 AM, dave wrote:

Even though the sun is relatively quiet, 2010 is the hottest year on
record so far. What will happen when the sun returns to normal?

What happens?

If we are lucky (?), a solar maxima like 1958-1959, where you could work
the world with 10 watts feeding a wet noodle.

Been there, done that...

The IGY solar max was a once in a lifetime event. Cycle 24 is going to
be below average.

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:



Have you given up showers?

Have you given up toilet paper?


Have you given up using energy to save animals, you can walk to the
rally and carry the animals to the critter health center.

No. I don't give a **** about saving animals. It's about keeping the
Earth habitable for my spawn. It's about making a small difference
instead of cursing the darkness. It's about me being part of the
solution, rather than whining about people who care.

On 9/20/2010 8:20 AM, bpnjensen wrote:

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That's what I do ;-)

So wha power brokers, exactly, are benefitting from Dave's choices?

The ones consuming daves portion, of course ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/20/2010 11:41 AM, dave wrote:

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How does my living a more austere life make the corporations happy?

I don't ever want to live in a city again-too hard to escape.

Tarzan lived with the apes, you could give that a try ...

Jane Goodall lived with the gorillas, you might try that ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/20/2010 11:54 AM, dave wrote:

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No. I don't give a **** about saving animals. It's about keeping the
Earth habitable for my spawn. It's about making a small difference
instead of cursing the darkness. It's about me being part of the
solution, rather than whining about people who care.

Worry about the government taxing your children into indebted servitude
which will last past their lifetimes ... then sweat the small stuff ...

Regards,
JS