On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:03:11 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
wrote:


On 10/7/2010 12:10 PM, Project China Blue Book wrote:

...
What you're saying is you'll give your church a pass on the other 1495
years of
child abuse.

We don't pass the sins of the father onto the son..... that is NOT America.

But you do pass along his 10 fingers and 10 toes.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

duke wrote:


Self defense is in line with God's teachings.


Bull****.

On 10/8/2010 7:47 AM, Project China Blue Book wrote:

...
Except your church actively conspired to protect them and let them continue
their abuse.


Yep, and it is a real and constant danger. Tends to happen most in any
large corporation, institution and of course, our government is a prime
example ... the abuses my change, the cover-ups remain the same ...

Regards,
JS

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:23:32 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 10/7/2010 12:10 PM, Project China Blue Book wrote:

...
What you're saying is you'll give your church a pass on the other 1495 years of
child abuse.


I can see how you would naturally pose such a question though.
Homosexuals just seem naturally driven towards child molestation ... but
I think such behavior is pretty much specific to the mental disease of
homosexual-ism. And, relate are those bizarre trans-genitalia groups ...

Regards,
JS

Yes there is a History of Child Abuse/Exploitation/Molestation
by 'The Church' and Churches in general : Which also reflects
the same History of Child Abuse/Exploitation/Molestation in
the greater-society as a whole.

Some of this Abuse/Exploitation/Molestation is Hetrosexual
Pedophile by Adult Males upon underage Girls : Both in the
larger society and the churches.
-imho- Whether in Society or the Church these Adult Males
are Criminals.

Some of this Abuse/Exploitation/Molestation is Homosexual
Pedophile {NAMBLA} by Adult Males upon underage Boys :
Both in the larger society and the churches.
-imho- Whether in Society or the Church these Adult Males
are Criminals.

Remember that when you are Condemming 'The Church'
you are also Condemming Society as a whole . . .

Oops You Yourself are a Member of Society and
-and- Yes You Are Condemming Yourself . . .

Which Part of Man {Adult Male} & Boy {Child Male} Love
NAMBLA - Do You Not Understand To Be Child Molestation ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...9db7a0e44c15b8

dave related :

Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all,
that the radical homosexual movement in the United States
is a Jewish movement.

Jews created it and run it from top to bottom.
They are pushing the perversion and degeneracy that is spreading disease,
sin and sickness through America like a wildfire.

Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis

Alan Klein -- co-founder of group ACT UP, co-founder of group Queer Nation, National Communications Director and chief spokesperson for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD]. Klein also co-founded the successful multimedia campaign STOPDRLAURA.COM

Arnie Kantrowitz -- co-founder of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jonathan D. Katz -- founded and chairs the Harvey Milk Institute, the largest queer studies institute in the world. A long time queer political activist, was a co-founder of Queer Nation, [the key San Francisco branch].

Harvey Fierstein -- film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay activist.

Moisés Kaufman -- playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman -- founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American Library Association], the world's first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug and Edward Koch -- both Jewish -- the first members of the U.S. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

Winnie Stachelberg -- political director, Human Rights Campaign [HRC]

Michael S. Aronowitz, The New York Log Cabin Republicans.

Tony Kushner -- gay activist; Tony and 1993 Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright [for Angels in America, 1992].

Len Hirsch -- president of the GLBT federal government employees group, GLOBE.

Meg Moritz, Ph.D. -- a Director and member of the Executive Committee of GLAAD.

Barbara Raab -- an NBC-TV producer; a "Jewish lesbian feminist journalist, writer."

Charles Kaiser [?] -- author & founding member of National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA].

David Goodstein -- owner/publisher of the gay magazine The Advocate [1975-1985]; co-founder of the National Gay Rights Lobby.

Judy Wieder -- Editor-in-chief, The Advocate gay magazine.

Alison Bechdel [?] -- cartoonist creator and author of the bi-weekly comic strip "Dykes to Watch Out For."

Kevin Koffler -- Editor-in-chief, Genre gay magazine.

Garrett Glaser -- National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA] national board member.

Ronald Gold -- reporter for Variety; a leader in the fight to overturn the American Psychiatric Association's policy that homosexuality is an illness.

Magnus Hirschfeld [d. 1935], early gay rights activist in Germany; founded one of the first gay rights organizations, the Scientific Humanitarian Committee; coined the term "transvestism"; fled Nazi Germany.

Fred Hochberg -- deputy administrator, U.S. Small Business Administration; co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign [HRC].

Michael Berman -- member, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors. Mitchell Gold -- HRC Board Marty Lieberman -- HRC BoardAndy Linsky -- HRC BoardDana Perlman -- HRC BoardAbby Rubenfeld -- HRC Board Andrew Tobias -- HRC Board Lara Schwartz -- Senior Counsel, HRC Heather Wellman -- HRC Field Coordinator Dan Furmansky -- HRC Senior Field Organizer, West Sally Green -- HRC Associate Field Director

Rick Rosendall [?] -- President, Gay & Lesbian Activists Alliance of Washington, DC.

Barney Frank -- member of U.S. Congress; helped create non-discriminatory employment policies in all U.S. federal agencies

Kerry Lobel -- executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Robin Margolis, American coordinator of the Bi Women's Cultural Alliance and author [Bisexuality: A Practical Guide].

Evan Wolfson, Senior Staff Attorney, Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund -- and -- the executive director of Freedom to Marry.

Jennifer Einhorn -- Communications Director, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD] Nancy Alpert [?] -- Treasurer, GLAAD Judy Gluckstern -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.Stephen M. Jacoby -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.Matt Riklin -- Board, GLAADCarol Rosenfeld -- Board, GLAAD.William Weinberger -- Board, GLAAD Tanya Wexler -- Board, GLAAD. David Huebner -- GLAAD Counsel.

Richard Goldstein -- Village Voice writer on gay culture and politics

Ron Schlittler -- Director of Field & Policy, Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays [PFLAG].

Craig Ziskin -- Deputy Director of Development, PFLAG.

Debra Weill -- Senior Field & Policy Coordinator, PFLAG.

Dody Goldstein -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

David Horowitz -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Shawn Frank -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Leon Weinstein -- Chair, Nominating Committee, PFLAG.

Kate Kendell [?], National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Gayle Rubin -- lesbian author/activist.

Hilary Rosen -- a founding member of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund; former board co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign.

Roz Richter, American attorney and activist.

Bob Kunst -- long-time activist in gay and Jewish causes.

"Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network" [GLSEN]. Board co-chairs: Marty Seldman, president

"National Gay & Lesbian Task Force" [NGLTF]. Board co-chairs: ..... Rachel Rosen in Santa Fe, N.M Dave Fleischer -- Director of Training [political training], NGLTF. Craig Hoffman -- Board of Directors, NGLTF. Beth Zemsky -- Board, NGLTF. Marsha C. Botzer -- Treasurer, NGLTF. Jeff Levi -- first, Levi was NGTF's lobbyist, early 1980s [NGTF became NGLTF in 1985]. Later, he was NGLTF executive director.

Bill Rubenstein, J.D. '86, developed the ACLU Lesbian and Gay Rights Project

Martin Duberman -- author/historian; founded the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies at the City University of New York.

Ben Schatz '81, J.D. '85, is executive director of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Foundation.

Kevin Schaub, American; Executive Director and Dean of the Harvey Milk Institute in San Francisco, the world's largest center for queer studies.

Sarah Schulman [1958- ], American playwright, novelist, and activist [one of the founders of the Lesbian Avengers, a direct-action lesbian rights organization].

Susan Spielman -- principal/head of Common Ground, an education/consulting firm specializing in workplace sexual orientation education; her company has worked with hundreds of U.S. organizations, helping them to implement domestic partner benefits plans; co-author of the book Straight Talk About Gays in the Workplace.

Gertrude Stein -- wrote the first openly lesbian novel, "Q.E.D.," in 1903, but it was only published posthumously in 1950.

Rikki Streicher (1925-1994), American activist and businesswoman.

Michael Goff -- founded Out magazine in 1992.

Paulette Goodman -- founder of local chapter [Washington D.C.] of PFLAG and served as President of the National PFLAG organization from 1988-1992.

Jeffrey Newman, American, president and COO of the Gay Financial Network; president and CEO of out.com.

Jim Levin -- New York gay historian.

Barrett Brick -- GLAA [Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance] Treasurer.

Robin Tyler -- American comedian [born Arlene Chernick] who was the first openly gay comic in North America; Tyler is also an activist who was the stage producer for the first three gay marches on Washington and the national protest coordinator for the "Stop Dr. Laura" campaign; she produces women's comedy and music festivals, and operates a lesbian travel-tour company.

Dr. Bruce Voeller [1935?-1994] [?] American gay rights activist, molecular biologist, physiologist, and AIDS researcher (pioneer in the use of nonoxynol-9 as a spermicide); cofounder and first executive director of the National Gay Task Force; creator of the Mariposa Foundation [an AIDS prevention research organization].

Mark Elderkin [?] -- co-founded Gay.com.

Leroy Aarons -- American professor, journalist, and founder of the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists Association (1990).

Dr. Donald I. Abrams -- American physician, HIV expert, medical marijuana researcher, and past president of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.

Johnny Abush (1952-2000) -- [Canadian]; archivist of the International Jewish GBLT Archives.

Roberta Achtenberg [1950- ]; civil rights lawyer and federal official; appointed as Assistant Secretary for Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity by President Bill Clinton in 1993.

Miriam Ben-Shalom [1948- ], American Army Reserves drill sergeant and gay activist; in 1986 she won a ten-year legal battle with the Reserves when a court ordered her reinstatement; founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Veterans Association [GLBVA] in 1990, serving as its first president.

Larry Brinkin, American gay activist who brought the first domestic partnership lawsuit [against Southern Pacific Railroad, 1982].

Rob Eichberg, American psychologist, co-creator of National Coming Out Day [October 11th].

Scott Evertz, American; in April 2001, President Bush appointed him to serve as the Director of the White House Office of National AIDS Policy [ONAP].

Gene Falk [?, Jewish name], American business executive; Senior Vice President of the Showtime Digital Media Group; part of the team that launched and marketed the U.S. TV series Queer as Folk; Chair of the Board of Directors of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Surina Kahn -- American lesbian activist.

Larry Kessler -- founding director in 1983 of the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, the largest AIDS support organization in New England.

Kathy Levinson -- American investor and philanthropist; serves on the board of PlanetOut; also on NGLTF Board of Directors.

Judith Light -- actress, activist for gay causes.

David Mixner -- gay activist, political consultant; co-founder of the Municipal Elections Committee of Los Angeles [MECLA], a group of wealthy gays and lesbians who became influential in local politics; president Bill Clinton's Special Liaison to the Gay-Lesbian Community.

Dan Savage -- American author of gay-themed books [The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant; Skipping Towards Gomorrah: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Pursuit of Happiness in America] and gay-themed- sex-advice columnist [Savage Love].

Susan Schuman, American executive vice-president and general manager of the Planet Out gay and lesbian online service.

Scott Seomin, American entertainment media coordinator for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jason Serinus [Jay Guy Nassberg] -- founder and coordinator of the Lavender Healing Network; a former gay activist with the New York chapter of the Gay Liberation Front.

David Sine [?] -- American CEO of C1TV, the first U.S. gay and lesbian cable TV network.

Rex Wockner -- longtime gay, American journalist who has reported news for the gay press since 1985.

Jack Fritscher -- became Editor in Chief of Drummer gay magazine [1977].

Leslie Feinberg [1949- ], American trade unionist, transgender activist and author [Transgender Warriors: Making History from Joan of Arc to RuPaul].

Allan Ginsburg - late Jewish poet and leading member of North American Man Boy Love Association.

Source: NFW

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/cont.../28/8347.shtml

Posted March 2, 2010

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1267563866
--
A government, of Israel, by Israel, and, for: Israel.
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:
for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. The light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not. The light of the body is the eye:
if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead,
and Christ shall give thee light. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

On 10/8/2010 3:04 PM, dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:




So letting someone gut you like a pig with a knife and you not trying to
continue to live is suicide. It's giving up on life and that's suicide
NOT passivism.

I've never been gutted by a pig with a knife, but it does sound
deliciously ironic.

**** happens.

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:




So letting someone gut you like a pig with a knife and you not trying to
continue to live is suicide. It's giving up on life and that's suicide
NOT passivism.

I've never been gutted by a pig with a knife, but it does sound
deliciously ironic.

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:00:11 -0700, Project China Blue Book
wrote:

In article ,
duke wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:08:13 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 10/7/2010 12:00 PM, duke wrote:

...
He's only been in charge 5 years.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Well, that is certainly one way to look at it. Another would be to look
at Gods' chosen people ... they tend to respond to missile attacks with
missiles.

Self defense is in line with God's teachings.

No, it's not. That particular perversion of the gospels was invented to let the
church become the state religion of Rome.

How would you know?

The emperor wouldn't establish church
that didn't let him continue his wars;

Sorry, a few poor Christians couldn't help him.

the church whored itself to the emperor
in exchange for secular power. The catholic church continues to whore itself,
just like many protestants whored themselves to Republicans.



The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:52:08 -0800, dave wrote:

duke wrote:


Self defense is in line with God's teachings.

Bull****.

He told us to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's (taxes, soldiers,
self defense, etc) and unto God that which is God's. Heeheehee

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:47:31 -0700, Project China Blue Book
wrote:

In article ,
duke wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:20:46 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 10/7/2010 12:10 PM, Project China Blue Book wrote:

...
What you're saying is you'll give your church a pass on the other 1495
years of
child abuse.


I don't think the (or a church) has ever committed child
abuse/molestation/etc. It is always done by individuals. Same way the
schools are not actively engaged in molesting children, it is done by
individual teachers ... perhaps a group of them can get together to
perform their perversions ... who knows?

That's exactly the point. The problem is with the man and not the priest.

Except your church actively conspired to protect them and let them continue
th

Nope, we the Church demanded the problem be cleaned up, and so it was.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****