(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

It was iPhone fever in Jackson last night.Some of those people camped
out over night at the Apple store.If I ever want an iPhone, I will wait
untill the dust settles down.
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cuhulin

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/14/11 4:24 PM, John Smith wrote:
Your text, once again, demonstrates the "status symbol" of the MAC:

" You must go to some really poor spots!! :)

Most places I've been all have brand name boxes there."

Indeed, that is the only part of your whole post which has any relevancy!

I just went with a relative to social security, while assisting him (is
partially blind), I noticed every computer at every desk was a PC ...
and mostly custom built ... apparently their IT dept. puts them together
... unless the workers have to bring their own! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

I can tell you that the local SS offices sure don't have no brand
computers in their offices.

But whatever the market share of what is, the profits are not with
wintel or Linux desktop boxes. No matter who or how they are built,
tiny profits seem to be the norm. Except at Apple...

Now we can argue that all you want. But keep in mind, IBM got out of
the wintel desktop/laptop market years ago, and it looks like HP is
going to follow. No profits will do that.


--
Lloyd

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"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/11 3:58 PM, Scout wrote:


"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/11 3:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote:
On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts
wrote:

Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price
premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's
not),
then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not
buying
them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone
making a different choice than I would have.

How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple
product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would all
make the same choices, right?

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs
... my
niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs ... as
far
as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family and group of
friends ... but I am sure there must be some around, in number,
somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have seen some
used,
but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how to use a computer
...
and yeah, I think they just carried them as a status symbol! Or, to
play solitare, card games, match three games, tetris, etc. on the
airplanes ... lol

Regards,
JS

Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage}
-says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol]
http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...ories/M108.jpg


-and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc'
http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...5z7tpy_152.jpg
.

... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not
represent
all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like most gaming
computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously a lot smaller
than that being quoted ...

Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom
built
PC ...

Regards,
JS

Some gaming computers are hobbyist built, many are bought off the
shelf or from companies that specialize in that market.

True, but unless they are a major player, then the PCs they build up
from components probably are never counted. Certainly I know several
people that build computer systems on the side, and I'm quite certain
they have never reported their sales volume to any researchers or poll
takers. I suppose if one were to count motherboard sales and/or CPU
sales one might be able to get a better calculation, but I don't see any
indication that is a consideration since they only seem to count system
sales and then only from the major players.

These days I suspect they aren't counted. But that is because these days
the small builders have almost disappeared, leaving only the 1-2 man shops
with low profits to pick up the dregs of a once thriving market.

More likely, most of it has simply gone to the internet.

Those that recognized this early on continue to thrive....those that
depended only on walk-in sales in the face of cheaper mail order systems
failed.

Other specialized uses for computers are readily available on either
off the shelf or built to order basis by companies that do show their
sales figures.

Only if they are a major player. The small business individual or local
computer store probably never even shows up. However, I bet they
represent a significant portion of total PC sales.

They just aren't these days.

About 15% at least by the numbers I've already posted.

To put that in perspective Mac sales would be only about 3.7% per the same
market.

There was a day when the small shops were a significant part of the
market, those days are long over.

Nope, they have simply gone mail order and as such they may no longer really
have a "store front" in a physical sense.

Your hobbyist references represents a miniscule part of the overall
market that has little significance in the overall market.

Based on what I've seen on people's computer desks. I would say around
50% are component built systems. Just skim through Ebay and see how many
systems are actually brand names, and how many are simply computers that
someone has put together.

You must go to some really poor spots!! :)

Local area LAN meets, people's homes, and of course quite a bit of computer
repair, upgrade and even sales on the side.

Most places I've been all have brand name boxes there.

Must have been businesses, home computers however tend to be much more of
the off brand (ie component built) or no brand (ie component built)

So, I would have to challenge your assertion that such sales constitute
a "miniscule part of the overall market". Because my experience and
evidence would show they constitute a rather significant portion of the
total market.

My experience was with a small dealership that both built and sold wintel
boxes, and also sold brand names. We sold a lot and our figures were
reported in via some of the wholesalers we dealt with. Our custom built
business declined over many years because the profits are so thin on these
things that building your own isn't profitable if you have to pay for your
labor. It was increasingly obvious that the only way to make as much
profit as we wanted to make, we would have to quit making custom boxes.
And we did just that. Just as almost all of the small shops did. The
only ones left making custom stuff for the most part these days are the
1-2 person shops.

Insignificant in today's market.

ABout 15% if you consider that insignificant I can only wonder how you view
Mac sales of 3.7%....

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"Scout" wrote in
:



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote:
On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts
wrote:

Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price
premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's
not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already
not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the
least by someone making a different choice than I would have.

How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple
product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would
all make the same choices, right?

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs
... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs
... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family
and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around,
in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have
seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how
to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a
status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match three
games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol

Regards,
JS

Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage}
-says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol]
http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...MAC%20Accessor
ies/M108.jpg -and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc'
http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...65z7tpy_152.jp
g
.

... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not
represent all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like
most gaming computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously
a lot smaller than that being quoted ...

Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom
built PC ...

Good point. Certainly the source I just used only talks about computer
sales for complete systems. While in reality a lot of PC are component
built either by the consumer or by local computer stores.

Most of those, I would assume, would be PC based not MAC.

Which would explain why I don't see as many Macs as would be indicated
by the fact that about 4.5% of all PC sales are Macs. Because PC sales
of those built up from components aren't counted. Which would mean
every system I have wouldn't count because ALL were component built.
Yet, they are active computers.

I am now down to three......going down by another after this weekend.


--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

John Smith wrote in
:

On 10/14/2011 1:16 PM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/14/11 3:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote:
On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts
wrote:

Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the
price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds
like it's not),
then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not
buying
them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by
someone making a different choice than I would have.

How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple
product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would
all make the same choices, right?

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs
... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have
PCs ... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole
family and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some
around, in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys,
I have seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't
know how to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried
them as a status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match
three games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol

Regards,
JS

Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage}
-says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol]
http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A.../MAC%20Accesso
ries/M108.jpg


-and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc'
http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...765z7tpy_152.j
pg .

... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not
represent all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like
most gaming computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously
a lot smaller than that being quoted ...

Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom
built PC ...

Regards,
JS

Some gaming computers are hobbyist built, many are bought off the
shelf or from companies that specialize in that market. Other
specialized uses for computers are readily available on either off
the shelf or built to order basis by companies that do show their
sales figures.

Your hobbyist references represents a miniscule part of the overall
market that has little significance in the overall market.


I doubt that all the custom builds at the little mom and pop PC stores
are recorded ...

Obvously, you have not been at a computer show and swap at San
Francisco, LA, Las Vegas, etc.

I don't even know how to get facts and figures to extrapolate from ...
I have built hundreds over just the last decade, just myself ...
people from the college, family, friends, neighbors, boy scouts,
volunteer in senior services, etc. ... I don't know how many I would
have ended up building if I'd attempted to make a hobby-business out
of it ...

Get real, over a decades I have seen thousands of computers, and just
a handful of macs ... I keep hearing about the number of macs, just
never see them ... I have always thought this strange ... at the local
college here there is one mac lab and multiple pc labs on campus ...

MACs used to be popular in school settings and universities. It was
originally felt that if folks got used to MACs that they would order them
and use them at the office in lieu of PCs. Hasn't worked out that
though.


--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:58:01 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

True, but unless they are a major player, then the PCs they build up from
components probably are never counted. Certainly I know several people that
build computer systems on the side, and I'm quite certain they have never
reported their sales volume to any researchers or poll takers. I suppose if
one were to count motherboard sales and/or CPU sales one might be able to
get a better calculation, but I don't see any indication that is a
consideration since they only seem to count system sales and then only from
the major players.

They do track motherboard sales and CPU sales. It may seem that
they aren't included because they are in the "other" category.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

Howard Brazee wrote in
:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.


Look at the coffee house crowd. They are much closer affiliated with
acedemia than the workplace. ;)

--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/11 4:24 PM, John Smith wrote:
Your text, once again, demonstrates the "status symbol" of the MAC:

" You must go to some really poor spots!! :)

Most places I've been all have brand name boxes there."

Indeed, that is the only part of your whole post which has any relevancy!

I just went with a relative to social security, while assisting him (is
partially blind), I noticed every computer at every desk was a PC ...
and mostly custom built ... apparently their IT dept. puts them together
... unless the workers have to bring their own! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

I can tell you that the local SS offices sure don't have no brand
computers in their offices.

But whatever the market share of what is, the profits are not with wintel
or Linux desktop boxes. No matter who or how they are built, tiny profits
seem to be the norm. Except at Apple...

Now we can argue that all you want. But keep in mind, IBM got out of the
wintel desktop/laptop market years ago, and it looks like HP is going to
follow. No profits will do that.

No, IBM got out of the RETAIL computer market. They still provide computers
for the BUSINESS market, and make quite a bit of money doing so.

The problem is the PC market is very competitive and being a name brand just
isn't enough that people will pay lots more money to own inferior hardware.

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"RD Sandman" wrote in message
...
"Scout" wrote in
:



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote:
On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts
wrote:

Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price
premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's
not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already
not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the
least by someone making a different choice than I would have.

How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple
product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would
all make the same choices, right?

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs
... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs
... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family
and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around,
in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have
seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how
to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a
status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match three
games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol

Regards,
JS

Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage}
-says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol]
http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...MAC%20Accessor
ies/M108.jpg -and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc'
http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...65z7tpy_152.jp
g
.

... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not
represent all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like
most gaming computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously
a lot smaller than that being quoted ...

Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom
built PC ...

Good point. Certainly the source I just used only talks about computer
sales for complete systems. While in reality a lot of PC are component
built either by the consumer or by local computer stores.

Most of those, I would assume, would be PC based not MAC.

Actually, I think it would be exclusively PC, since I don't believe they
sell the primary components of Macs on the retail market. Might be able to
do something in the salvage market but that's really a matter of
reassembling a computer rather than building a new one from unused parts.


Which would explain why I don't see as many Macs as would be indicated
by the fact that about 4.5% of all PC sales are Macs. Because PC sales
of those built up from components aren't counted. Which would mean
every system I have wouldn't count because ALL were component built.
Yet, they are active computers.

I am now down to three......going down by another after this weekend.

Replacing with premade, or just old and unused?