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(OT) Steve Jobs.
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"Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD A very big deal. 1. Macs are almost solely used as personal computers where as generic PCs are also in other markets, but their sales are counted as being in the same bucket as Mac sales. Cite. Do you really believe that that statement isn't true? 2. Mac sales have more than doubled in the last 5 years. So has the computer market. sigh The Mac's MARKET SHARE has more than doubled. 3. Mac sales in the more affluent parts of the world are now well over 10%. India? No. Not India. That's the point. The people who develop software are more interested in customers who have the money to also purchase more software than the barebones personal computer purchasers in India and China. Oddly, India is one of Mac's fastest growing markets. Cite? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 8:56 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/15/11 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/15/2011 8:41 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: ... I don't think you or I will live long enough to see the 'year of the mac' if that is defined as Apple being the dominant tech provider. Not going to happen. But the 'year of the Mac' has already happened in the upscale tech market with consumers with a few bucks. Yes, I am sure many are heroes in their own mind, have saved the world, dominate the markets ... and it would be evil to destroy their fantasies ... roflol Still, one must keep a foot in reality ... Regards, JS In business, the reality is growing your sales and profits. In that, it has been the year of the Mac for quite awhile now. You are free to talk about what volumes of sales are out there in wintel/linux world, but that is being done at pathetic profit levels. Overall, desktop sales on all platforms is down as more go to laptops. Primarily because laptops now have enough performance for almost all applications and the prices are down quite a bit. Heck for all the bitching about Apple's prices, laptops with similar specifications and build quality are all pretty much the same in cost. Apple just doesn't do cheap laptops. They do! The just sell them for a lot ... not-a-days, it is claimed barnum didn't say but, but none-the-less true ... one is born every minute ... today, it seems every second! Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 12:44 PM, Scout wrote:
"Howard Brazee" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:12:02 -0400, "Scout" wrote: No, their desktop market is growing, just not as fast as their laptop market. Sorry, they are selling more desktops because of an expanding market, but their share in that expanding market is decreasing. Other arguments in this thread have been claiming a shrinking desktop market. Which arguments are correct? Both. Desktop computers last longer nowadays before becoming obsolete for most functions. And there are more and better alternatives to desktop computers than there used to be. Yep, but the alternatives are most expensive, less durable, limited in upgrade options, and generally poorer performance than a comparable desktop. Yes, what the world needs is a generic platform for the laptop, where as much choice of components is available as in the desktop/tower platform .... proprietary chit is always crap ... Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
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John Smith wrote: On 10/15/2011 8:56 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/15/11 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/15/2011 8:41 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: ... I don't think you or I will live long enough to see the 'year of the mac' if that is defined as Apple being the dominant tech provider. Not going to happen. But the 'year of the Mac' has already happened in the upscale tech market with consumers with a few bucks. Yes, I am sure many are heroes in their own mind, have saved the world, dominate the markets ... and it would be evil to destroy their fantasies ... roflol Still, one must keep a foot in reality ... Regards, JS In business, the reality is growing your sales and profits. In that, it has been the year of the Mac for quite awhile now. You are free to talk about what volumes of sales are out there in wintel/linux world, but that is being done at pathetic profit levels. Overall, desktop sales on all platforms is down as more go to laptops. Primarily because laptops now have enough performance for almost all applications and the prices are down quite a bit. Heck for all the bitching about Apple's prices, laptops with similar specifications and build quality are all pretty much the same in cost. Apple just doesn't do cheap laptops. They do! The just sell them for a lot ... not-a-days, it is claimed barnum didn't say but, but none-the-less true ... one is born every minute ... today, it seems every second! Which is why other PC manufacturers have been pressuring Intel to lower their pricing so that they can better compete with Apple's laptops... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 5:46 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In , John wrote: No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... You are welcome to present evidence that computers purchased as components and then assemble form any significant fraction of personal computer sales... Don't have to, anyone not living under a rock knows it ... it is self-apparent ... one would have to stick their head in a hole to miss it. Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
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"Scout" wrote: "Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message ... On 10/15/11 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/15/2011 8:41 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: ... I don't think you or I will live long enough to see the 'year of the mac' if that is defined as Apple being the dominant tech provider. Not going to happen. But the 'year of the Mac' has already happened in the upscale tech market with consumers with a few bucks. Yes, I am sure many are heroes in their own mind, have saved the world, dominate the markets ... and it would be evil to destroy their fantasies ... roflol Still, one must keep a foot in reality ... Regards, JS In business, the reality is growing your sales and profits. In that, it has been the year of the Mac for quite awhile now. You are free to talk about what volumes of sales are out there in wintel/linux world, but that is being done at pathetic profit levels. Overall, desktop sales on all platforms is down as more go to laptops. Primarily because laptops now have enough performance for almost all applications and the prices are down quite a bit. Heck for all the bitching about Apple's prices, laptops with similar specifications and build quality are all pretty much the same in cost. Apple just doesn't do cheap laptops. Which is why Apple sells only a small fraction of the number of laptops sold. PC dominates over Mac even in the laptop market But Apple makes most of the profit... :-) -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 3:47 PM, Don Kirkman wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:04:46 -0700, John wrote: The rest of what you had to say, bad decisions, paying too much for a home, etc. ... well ya', that is covered in "Life 101." If you missed that class, problems will keep arising until you do take that class! ... don't make those bad decisions, don't pay too much for over valued property, don't buy what you can't afford, etc. You ignore the people who were *told* they could afford the houses they bought. People with a duty to be diligent--brokers, financiers, investment houses, all assured them that they deserved a good house and by heck they could afford one because they were given them a real bargain. I guess some missed the basic education of where the teacher asked you, "If someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you?" Basically, it comes down to common sense, if you can't afford the house, don't buy it... yet ... But if you're assured that you can afford it, who is the real culprit here? If you are into trusting, I got something to tell you, "Give me your money to hold, for five years, I'll give you back double!" ROFLOL You were kidding, right? Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 5:58 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In , John wrote: On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote: In , - Lloyd E Parsons spouted ! On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote: On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac non-tech-r-i ~ RHF . . LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta love it!! :) But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer! Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you want and save a $1000 ... Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can put together a decent gaming computer for a grand! I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this, but... ...most people have no interest in building their own computers. Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the ones buying macs are proof enough of that ... Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/15/2011 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:
"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote: In , - Lloyd E Parsons spouted ! On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote: On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac non-tech-r-i ~ RHF . . LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta love it!! :) But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer! Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you want and save a $1000 ... Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can put together a decent gaming computer for a grand! I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this, but... ...most people have no interest in building their own computers. However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because they are better or cheaper than named PC packages. Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems customized to their specific desires. It has been my experience, you run into a real dyed-in-the-wool-fool and all bets are off! Regards, JS |
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