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John Smith wrote: No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... You are welcome to present evidence that computers purchased as components and then assemble form any significant fraction of personal computer sales... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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John Smith wrote: Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... Regards, JS Hogwash! What you build and other hobbyists also, is such a tiny part of the sales market it has no real bearing on the issue at all. And for the most part, few companies care about that build-your-own hobbyist market except some parts makers. That is BS for me, most I see are custom builds ... but I don't hang around old people who can't use computers and own dells ... There's the true religion! -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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"Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. Wrong, that is the amount sales have increased. Incorrect. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ow_13_of_us_ma rket_as_ipad_snags_dollars_away_from_pcs.html Mac sales still only constitute about 4.5% of total PC sales. Not in the US they don't. You should learn to read. PC sales in Q2 2011 "Overall, the number of units reached 85 million, of which HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and ASUS accounted for 17.5%, 12.5%, 12%, 10.9% and 5.2%, respectively." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gartn...se-in-Q2-2011- 211780.shtml Meanwhile: Mac sales a Mac sales in Q2 2011 "Mac sales increased 28 percent from last year, with 3.76 million sold" http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...lso-sold-4-69- million-ipads/ 3.76/85 = 4.4% So sales are actually less than my estimate of 4.5% That's a LONG way from the 13% you assert. You should learn to read. No, bubba, sales of Macs increased by 13% (probably from Q1 2011) not that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. In the U.S. You should learn to read. IOW, sales of Mac increased from about 3.25 Million to 3.76 Million per quarter. Incorrect. Your a quarter behind. But next to total PC sales of 85 Million.....that's a pretty minimal change representing a difference of only about 0.6% increase in market share for that quarter. You should take into consideration that some considerable number of non-Mac PCs are bought for non-personal computer use in industrial applications, etc. Further if we look the BULK of Mac sales are the mobiles. Desktop Mac sales continue to drop off. "Apple sold 2.75 million laptops, compared to 1.01 million desktops, with laptops accounting for 73 percent of Mac sales for the quarter. By the end of the calendar year, it's likely three out of four Macs sold will be portables. The inexorable trend towards niche status for desktops continues." http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...lso-sold-4-69- million-ipads/ Seems people don't want a Mac sitting on their computer desk, unless they can walk away with it. Laptops are on the rise all over, silly. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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"Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD A very big deal. 1. Macs are almost solely used as personal computers where as generic PCs are also in other markets, but their sales are counted as being in the same bucket as Mac sales. 2. Mac sales have more than doubled in the last 5 years. 3. Mac sales in the more affluent parts of the world are now well over 10%. The people who develop software are more interested in customers who have the money to also purchase more software than the barebones personal computer purchasers in India and China. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... You are welcome to present evidence that computers purchased as components and then assemble form any significant fraction of personal computer sales... Already done, and by retail motherboard sales of the top 5 makers, they constitute about 15% of total computer sales, and by the same measure Macs constitute some 3.7%. If one is irrelevent, then the other is even more so. |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. Wrong, that is the amount sales have increased. Incorrect. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ow_13_of_us_ma rket_as_ipad_snags_dollars_away_from_pcs.html Read your own source. "Apple's Mac now 13% of US market as iPad snags dollars away from PCs" It should be noted that the iPad is NOT a Mac, as such Mac sales do NOT constitute 13% of all PC sales. Mac sales still only constitute about 4.5% of total PC sales. Not in the US they don't. You should learn to read. PC sales in Q2 2011 "Overall, the number of units reached 85 million, of which HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and ASUS accounted for 17.5%, 12.5%, 12%, 10.9% and 5.2%, respectively." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gartn...se-in-Q2-2011- 211780.shtml Meanwhile: Mac sales a Mac sales in Q2 2011 "Mac sales increased 28 percent from last year, with 3.76 million sold" http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...lso-sold-4-69- million-ipads/ 3.76/85 = 4.4% So sales are actually less than my estimate of 4.5% That's a LONG way from the 13% you assert. You should learn to read. I think you should consider following your own advice since I looked at Mac sales as specified while your source includes iPad sales and who knows what else as "Mac sales". Don't blame me if your headliner writer can't tell the different between a Mac and an iPad, or that you're too stupid to notice the difference. No, bubba, sales of Macs increased by 13% (probably from Q1 2011) not that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. In the U.S. You should learn to read. IOW, sales of Mac increased from about 3.25 Million to 3.76 Million per quarter. Incorrect. Your a quarter behind. Somehow I doubt 1 quarter is going to significantly alter the numbers, my proofs, my conclusions, or bolster your BS assertion that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. But next to total PC sales of 85 Million.....that's a pretty minimal change representing a difference of only about 0.6% increase in market share for that quarter. You should take into consideration that some considerable number of non-Mac PCs are bought for non-personal computer use in industrial applications, etc. Agreed, but that should be included in the above numbers as long as they are actual personal computers and not computer based controls. Further if we look the BULK of Mac sales are the mobiles. Desktop Mac sales continue to drop off. "Apple sold 2.75 million laptops, compared to 1.01 million desktops, with laptops accounting for 73 percent of Mac sales for the quarter. By the end of the calendar year, it's likely three out of four Macs sold will be portables. The inexorable trend towards niche status for desktops continues." http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...lso-sold-4-69- million-ipads/ Seems people don't want a Mac sitting on their computer desk, unless they can walk away with it. Laptops are on the rise all over, silly. Yep, which doesn't refute my point. |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote: In , - Lloyd E Parsons spouted ! On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote: On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac non-tech-r-i ~ RHF . . LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta love it!! :) But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer! Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you want and save a $1000 ... Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can put together a decent gaming computer for a grand! I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this, but... ...most people have no interest in building their own computers. However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because they are better or cheaper than named PC packages. Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems customized to their specific desires. |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD A very big deal. 1. Macs are almost solely used as personal computers where as generic PCs are also in other markets, but their sales are counted as being in the same bucket as Mac sales. Cite. 2. Mac sales have more than doubled in the last 5 years. So has the computer market. 3. Mac sales in the more affluent parts of the world are now well over 10%. India? The people who develop software are more interested in customers who have the money to also purchase more software than the barebones personal computer purchasers in India and China. Oddly, India is one of Mac's fastest growing markets. |
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"Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. Wrong, that is the amount sales have increased. Incorrect. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ow_13_of_us_ma rket_as_ipad_snags_dollars_away_from_pcs.html Read your own source. "Apple's Mac now 13% of US market as iPad snags dollars away from PCs" It should be noted that the iPad is NOT a Mac, as such Mac sales do NOT constitute 13% of all PC sales. And the source was not counting iPads as Macs. It was noting that there is a class of non-Mac personal computers that people are buying less of: netbooks; instead they're buying iPads. In the personal computer sales area, that means fewer non-Mac PCs which, in conjunction with rising Mac sales, means a greater percentage of Macs. Mac sales still only constitute about 4.5% of total PC sales. Not in the US they don't. You should learn to read. PC sales in Q2 2011 "Overall, the number of units reached 85 million, of which HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and ASUS accounted for 17.5%, 12.5%, 12%, 10.9% and 5.2%, respectively." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gartn...-Rose-in-Q2-20 11- 211780.shtml Meanwhile: Mac sales a Mac sales in Q2 2011 "Mac sales increased 28 percent from last year, with 3.76 million sold" http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...e-also-sold-4- 69- million-ipads/ 3.76/85 = 4.4% So sales are actually less than my estimate of 4.5% That's a LONG way from the 13% you assert. You should learn to read. I think you should consider following your own advice since I looked at Mac sales as specified while your source includes iPad sales and who knows what else as "Mac sales". Don't blame me if your headliner writer can't tell the different between a Mac and an iPad, or that you're too stupid to notice the difference. I blame you for misreading the article. No, bubba, sales of Macs increased by 13% (probably from Q1 2011) not that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. In the U.S. You should learn to read. IOW, sales of Mac increased from about 3.25 Million to 3.76 Million per quarter. Incorrect. Your a quarter behind. Somehow I doubt 1 quarter is going to significantly alter the numbers, my proofs, my conclusions, or bolster your BS assertion that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. The original sources was Gartner: "Preliminary United States PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 3Q11 (Units) Company 3Q11 Shipments 3Q11 Market Share (%) HP 5,132,614 28.9 Dell 3,886,864 21.9 Apple 2,300,000 12.9" http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731 And, yeah: "Note: Data includes desk-based PCs, mobile PCs, including mini-notebooks but not media tablets such as the iPad. " Which explains the headline just as I said. You lose. But next to total PC sales of 85 Million.....that's a pretty minimal change representing a difference of only about 0.6% increase in market share for that quarter. You should take into consideration that some considerable number of non-Mac PCs are bought for non-personal computer use in industrial applications, etc. Agreed, but that should be included in the above numbers as long as they are actual personal computers and not computer based controls. Why? Further if we look the BULK of Mac sales are the mobiles. Desktop Mac sales continue to drop off. "Apple sold 2.75 million laptops, compared to 1.01 million desktops, with laptops accounting for 73 percent of Mac sales for the quarter. By the end of the calendar year, it's likely three out of four Macs sold will be portables. The inexorable trend towards niche status for desktops continues." http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...e-also-sold-4- 69- million-ipads/ Seems people don't want a Mac sitting on their computer desk, unless they can walk away with it. Laptops are on the rise all over, silly. Yep, which doesn't refute my point. What was your point, then? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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