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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On Oct 12, 11:49*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , * . net *wrote: "Alan *wrote in message ... In , John *wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , * *John * wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John * wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac non-tech-r-i ~ RHF |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period' keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days. Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc. While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is always short lived ... To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I have ... Regards, JS For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude that seems prevalent in the wintel world. Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition. -- Lloyd |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/2011 10:16 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period' keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days. Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc. While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is always short lived ... To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I have ... Regards, JS For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude that seems prevalent in the wintel world. Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition. Well yeah, they sell an iphone and ireader and other trinkets to the indians, and slaves ... I view the conversation here as being focused on MACs and PCs, although for "MAC people" to possibly have a leg to stand on, they are going to have to attempt to toss everything else in, including mice, phones, the kitchen sink, the apple on the top of a MAC laptop, case style, etc. Or, simply put, they must divert the discussion away from the superiority of the PC to the hype and BS of MAC ... in a nut shell, MAC sucks in comparison. This point made, all which is left is the discussion as to why that is so ... Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/2011 9:45 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:05 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:47 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html And with audio, do you mean like this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge.html Or this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010.html Or perhaps this: http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/HD192/specs.html No plug your SDR amateur rig into the USB port of your PC and start using it ... notice that there is no software available for the MAC ... linux is covered with an app, etc., etc., etc. Really? No software at all, huh? http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/CuteSDR.html You keep putting words in my mouth, seems like I said a PC can do it better ... that was the part you choose to dispute, not the faster, cheaper ... or the fact that PC stays current with uptodate software/codecs/drivers/hardware/firmware ... I asked how it did it better and you responded with things that (apparently) you thought you couldn't do with a Mac. Got a comparison to this card for the PC: http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/c...D622CE9F579F09 &v ers ion=live&releasejsp=release_157&xhtml=true&prid=73 6275 I don't need one. Good thing too ... as you will have to "not need a lot of things" when running a MAC! Superior video is just one of them ... if you play video games, you can forget the ones which have no MAC version ... Regards, JS LOL And now it comes out: what you want "superior video" for is... ...video games! There are virtually NO applications which are as demanding as video games on a home PC. Since I contract to develop software, and compiler/linker speeds are important to me, it is worth considering and benchmarking ... however, what am I, one out of 10,000 who runs such a demanding commercial app? So, of course video games become the best universal benchmark -- any child can run them, even if the adults can't ... No, actually. Video games are hard on VIDEO performance, John. Almost all of the processing load they create is handled by the GPU... ...a part which plays essentially no useful role in compiling and linking software. However, you are doing the best you can. At this point, your have realized and woken up to reality, and that the MAC is vastly inferior in comparison to even mid range PC's ... when confronted with this reality, and one realizes they have taken a false position, one must switch over to personal attacks on their opposite in the argument ... abandoning any hope of proving their false positions to be correct. The Mac is better for normal people, John. They want a machine that is easy to use and that doesn't have problems. Most people don't want to modify their computers with performance add-ons any more than they want to do the analogous things to their cars. It will also help to lock your mind into denial, and think that no one here will be smart enough to see what is going on, the desperation and desperate tact's you are being forced to take, to believe they will become obfuscated by the false complexities of your diversions ... that they will not notice you switching subjects, points, facts ... etc. You mean like claiming that video card performance is important to compiling? But, I will ... you can make book on that. Regards, JS Your post shows your total lack of knowledge that the GPU processor can be utilized to run/assist in the running of demanding apps ... load up seti software (POINC, actually), a freely available app which has the capabilities and gives a good demonstration of the advantages ... you probably aren't such a bad guy, just an ignorant one who needs some prompting to seek a cure .. Regards, JS BOINC even ... list of BOINC projects he http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php Excerpt from that: "Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. " Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/11 12:41 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 10:16 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period' keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days. Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc. While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is always short lived ... To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I have ... Regards, JS For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude that seems prevalent in the wintel world. Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition. Well yeah, they sell an iphone and ireader and other trinkets to the indians, and slaves ... I view the conversation here as being focused on MACs and PCs, although for "MAC people" to possibly have a leg to stand on, they are going to have to attempt to toss everything else in, including mice, phones, the kitchen sink, the apple on the top of a MAC laptop, case style, etc. Or, simply put, they must divert the discussion away from the superiority of the PC to the hype and BS of MAC ... in a nut shell, MAC sucks in comparison. This point made, all which is left is the discussion as to why that is so ... Regards, JS LOL! Even disregarding everything except the Mac computers, you haven't got a leg to stand on! Mac COMPUTER sales are up and growing, and have been for years, AND they are selling at a premium price 'cause they are a premium product, AND they are making great profits off them. None of that applies to the current wintel market which is shrinking, with shrinking prices, and shrinking profits. Profits shrinking so bad that HP is looking at getting out of the wintel PC market just like IBM did years ago. -- Lloyd |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/2011 11:00 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 12:41 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 10:16 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period' keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days. Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc. While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is always short lived ... To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I have ... Regards, JS For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude that seems prevalent in the wintel world. Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition. Well yeah, they sell an iphone and ireader and other trinkets to the indians, and slaves ... I view the conversation here as being focused on MACs and PCs, although for "MAC people" to possibly have a leg to stand on, they are going to have to attempt to toss everything else in, including mice, phones, the kitchen sink, the apple on the top of a MAC laptop, case style, etc. Or, simply put, they must divert the discussion away from the superiority of the PC to the hype and BS of MAC ... in a nut shell, MAC sucks in comparison. This point made, all which is left is the discussion as to why that is so ... Regards, JS LOL! Even disregarding everything except the Mac computers, you haven't got a leg to stand on! Mac COMPUTER sales are up and growing, and have been for years, AND they are selling at a premium price 'cause they are a premium product, AND they are making great profits off them. None of that applies to the current wintel market which is shrinking, with shrinking prices, and shrinking profits. Profits shrinking so bad that HP is looking at getting out of the wintel PC market just like IBM did years ago. Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision of which platform will properly be able to support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ... Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ... Regards, JS |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:
Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision of which platform will properly be able to support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ... Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ... So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it. - x. |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or business people. ///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?/// Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who! ///Choi Ka Oie!/// cuhulin |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
"BAR" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple |
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On 10/13/11 3:13 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple I guess paying attention, or having a clue isn't part of your daily life. Amazon is coming out with a new Kindle Fire (note that Nook is from B&N) that is based on Android but is NOT open architecture. It is tightly tied to Amazon. -- Lloyd |
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On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote: Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision of which platform will properly be able to support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ... Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ... So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it. - x. Looks like you completely missed it! How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are simply unfathomable! But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that flawed logic ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope/// Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or business people. ///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?/// Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who! ///Choi Ka Oie!/// cuhulin Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware, hardware and software ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 3:04 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote: ///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope/// Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or business people. ///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?/// Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who! ///Choi Ka Oie!/// cuhulin Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware, hardware and software ... Regards, JS For example, although different programs existed for presenting text and graphics, in mixed, useable forms, an example is adobe reader, microsoft first released a reader and format, .lit, which first "solidified" the format/concept of an "ebook." It was usable on any windows computer ... still is, but is now being discontinued ... most never even became aware of its' existence and microsoft never worked to give it much publicity .... it was only commonly used by those in the computer industry ... now there are many clones in many different formats ... Soon after, you see competitors spring up and hardware become devoted to it. Today, my TV, Stereo, DVD Recorder, etc. IS a computer ... I don't have a device dedicated for each and every separate task ... computer does it all. And, so is my "ebook reader" also my computer (actually, one of my laptops, or any of them, any desktop also, but I like to read in bed.) To me, it is insane to buy an ebook reader when a laptop serves better ... Frankly, html should become the standard ebook format and open access to all, and the hardware to present it allowed to openly compete in the marketplace "best ereader wins." Regards, JS |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:12 -0700, John Smith
wrote: "Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. " We may. But the application I have which is intolerably slow is Librarian Pro. Apparently it uses the Access database engine that has troubles with libraries as large as mine. A faster graphics card won't make it faster. I wonder if I have any applications that I would notice a speed increase with a faster graphics card. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote: Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision of which platform will properly be able to support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ... Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ... So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it. - x. Looks like you completely missed it! No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are simply unfathomable! See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it was originally written in, or the context of your statement that followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart is substantially different. Nice try, though. But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that flawed logic ... Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only *your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to begin with beyond OMG I 3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL. Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game. - x. |
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On 10/13/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:04 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote: ///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope/// Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or business people. ///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?/// Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who! ///Choi Ka Oie!/// cuhulin Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware, hardware and software ... Regards, JS For example, although different programs existed for presenting text and graphics, in mixed, useable forms, an example is adobe reader, microsoft first released a reader and format, .lit, which first "solidified" the format/concept of an "ebook." It was usable on any windows computer ... still is, but is now being discontinued ... most never even became aware of its' existence and microsoft never worked to give it much publicity ... it was only commonly used by those in the computer industry ... now there are many clones in many different formats ... Soon after, you see competitors spring up and hardware become devoted to it. Today, my TV, Stereo, DVD Recorder, etc. IS a computer ... I don't have a device dedicated for each and every separate task ... computer does it all. And, so is my "ebook reader" also my computer (actually, one of my laptops, or any of them, any desktop also, but I like to read in bed.) To me, it is insane to buy an ebook reader when a laptop serves better ... Frankly, html should become the standard ebook format and open access to all, and the hardware to present it allowed to openly compete in the marketplace "best ereader wins." Regards, JS .... and, just to "hit those who missed the point, over the head with a 2 x 4!", a laptop IS the best ebook reader! Best movie machine, best .mp3 player, best TV, best DVD recorder, best camera, best stereo, etc., etc. Just can't make coffee, OJ, toast, bacon, etc. or it would be the best breakfast machine too! Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote: Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision of which platform will properly be able to support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ... Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ... So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it. - x. Looks like you completely missed it! No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are simply unfathomable! See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it was originally written in, or the context of your statement that followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart is substantially different. Nice try, though. But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that flawed logic ... Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only *your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to begin with beyond OMG I3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL. Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game. - x. You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you, again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ... Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil .... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context." Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/11 5:29 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:12 -0700, John wrote: "Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. " We may. But the application I have which is intolerably slow is Librarian Pro. Apparently it uses the Access database engine that has troubles with libraries as large as mine. A faster graphics card won't make it faster. I wonder if I have any applications that I would notice a speed increase with a faster graphics card. In general, the only apps you see that really benefit are games and other graphic intensive apps. -- Lloyd |
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On 10/13/11 3:35 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game. - x. You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you, again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ... Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil .... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context." Aww. Someone needs a hug. - x. |
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On Oct 8, 5:42*pm, dave wrote:
That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Actually, they sell reliability and ease-of-use. Macs tend to "just work" in most cases, including many cases where Linux or Windoze require endless geekery to get something to work. Reliability and ease-of-use come at a price. As someone who's an ex systems support person and completely sick of systems geekery, that price is worth it to me. If the price isn't worth it to you, don't buy Apple products. Simple. -- David Barts Seattle, WA. |
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On 10/13/2011 3:29 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:12 -0700, John wrote: "Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. " We may. But the application I have which is intolerably slow is Librarian Pro. Apparently it uses the Access database engine that has troubles with libraries as large as mine. A faster graphics card won't make it faster. I wonder if I have any applications that I would notice a speed increase with a faster graphics card. Well, first a 3.0+ ghz processor, multicore/multithreaded, 64 bit OS, fast frontside buss, fast memory, fast storage devices/software, buffers created for redundant search/filing, etc. features, etc. would be the way to go ... then, with a firm base, exploit stealing GPU cycles/time .... if speed is really a valid need, water cooling and over clocking are very useful techniques -- of the CPU, itself -- applications using parallel processing, motherboards with multiple physical, and multiple cored, processors, etc. Also, the search/storage formats, methods, techniques, structure of data handling is VERY IMPORTANT ... if speed is failing, you should attempt to locate software which uses BINARY TREES in the handling of the data .... by asking 10 questions, you can find one unique element within a pool of over 1,000,000 ... these are some of the most fast, effective and efficient data processing algorithms in existence, if not THE MOST .... I am thinking, if there is a need, someone has already written it, or is writing it ... It is true, the application in question cannot use these advanced techniques, unless the application has been made capable/aware by the software engineers maintaining the app in question. It might be possible to locate one for the use in question, inquires of those in the field might put you on the right track -- if available. Often, I have been employed just to find applications/software to fit some extremely narrow slice of use ... many make a very comfortable income doing nothing else -- only consulting on software/hardware ... it is possible just to "ask around" and be privy to such valuable info., worth a try ... But then, powerful video cards are usually only found in high end game and business/production, research machines ... slapping in a high end video card is certainly not the first, or even middle of the line, upgrade one would first jump to ... indeed, probably the last after every other possible upgrade and a want/need for speed is still a necessity ... Or, simple said, it is well beyond the needs of most casual users (BOINC and computer games being a notable exception) ... however, valid when comparing/benchmarking hardware capabilities ... and, as pointed out, there are valid and valuable uses for it. Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 3:50 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 3:35 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game. - x. You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you, again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ... Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil .... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context." Aww. Someone needs a hug. - x. Well, ask someone else ... I only hug women, and my family ... sorry, nothing personal ... Regards, JS |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html And with audio, do you mean like this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge.html Or this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010.html Or perhaps this: http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/HD192/specs.html No plug your SDR amateur rig into the USB port of your PC and start using it ... notice that there is no software available for the MAC ... linux is covered with an app, etc., etc., etc. Really? No software at all, huh? http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/CuteSDR.html You keep putting words in my mouth, seems like I said a PC can do it better ... that was the part you choose to dispute, not the faster, cheaper ... or the fact that PC stays current with uptodate software/codecs/drivers/hardware/firmware ... I asked how it did it better and you responded with things that (apparently) you thought you couldn't do with a Mac. Which you can't as shown by the performance characteristics of the card indicated.....and 4 generations below that. Got a comparison to this card for the PC: http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/c...E9F579F09&vers ion=live&releasejsp=release_157&xhtml=true&prid=73 6275 I don't need one. And naturally if you don't need it, then no one does. So why are they selling such cards? |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 10/12/2011 10:34 PM, Scout wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... On 10/12/2011 10:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html And with audio, do you mean like this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge.html Or this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010.html Or perhaps this: http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/HD192/specs.html No plug your SDR amateur rig into the USB port of your PC and start using it ... notice that there is no software available for the MAC ... linux is covered with an app, etc., etc., etc. Really? No software at all, huh? http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/CuteSDR.html You keep putting words in my mouth, seems like I said a PC can do it better ... that was the part you choose to dispute, not the faster, cheaper ... or the fact that PC stays current with uptodate software/codecs/drivers/hardware/firmware ... Got a comparison to this card for the PC: http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/c...ue&prid=736275 By my count he has to go back 5 FAMILIES of nvidia cards before he finds one with performance equal or less than what he produced for the Mac. To spell that out. GTX 590 - outperforms Mac GTX 580 - outperforms Mac GTX 570 - outperforms Mac GTX 560 - outperforms Mac GTX 550 - outperforms Mac GTX 545 - Less performance than Mac Quadro 4000 - $780 GTX 550 - $130 GTX 590 - $610 Actually, when I purchased my 590's, Best Buy had a sale on them, they were under $300 a card ... so I got both of them for the price you have there for one ... just sayin' Yea, but it's hard to track sales and they are typically regional or localized so it's hard to make a comparison on sale prices because it's all but impossible to determine the lowest sale price. Street price on the other hand is quick and easy to find. |
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD |
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On Oct 13, 4:48*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 4:19 PM, David Barts wrote: On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, *wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Actually, they sell reliability and ease-of-use. Macs tend to "just work" in most cases, including many cases where Linux or Windoze require endless geekery to get something to work. Reliability and ease-of-use come at a price. As someone who's an ex systems support person and completely sick of systems geekery, that price is worth it to me. If the price isn't worth it to you, don't buy Apple products. Simple. -- David Barts Seattle, WA. I rarely keep a machine beyond two years, then it gets the "pass me down" to someone ... or the electronics recyclers where they pay me the grand price of ~0.36 a pound ... video cards, memory and other components going into the junk drawer for passing out to those in need ... I can't remember a computer ever failing me in that time, nor any component other than a power supply, now and then, which was abused and drew too much power through. Reliability encompasses more than just service lifetime of the hardware. Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. I was merely responding to "dave"'s inane comment that the only reason anyone would purchase an Apple product is for fashion or lifestyle reasons. -- David Barts Seattle, WA |
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On 10/13/11 4:37 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:50 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: On 10/13/11 3:35 PM, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote: Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game. - x. You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you, again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ... Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil .... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context." Aww. Someone needs a hug. - x. Well, ask someone else ... I only hug women, and my family ... sorry, nothing personal ... That's OK; I wasn't offering. More of an observation, really. Here, try one of these: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ki/Hug_machine - x. |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:01:46 -0400, BAR wrote:
What does open architecture mean? What is needed is run any application, not just applications purchased thru amazon. My wife has a Nook Color and it does just about everything she needs. The web browser is pretty good. No computer can run any application. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts
wrote: Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would all make the same choices, right? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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"SaPeIsMa" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---- --- -- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple Yes, they said that about the Zune and the iPod, not to mention HP's pathetic effort at a tablet. |
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On 10/13/2011 5:09 PM, David Barts wrote:
On Oct 13, 4:48 pm, John wrote: On 10/13/2011 4:19 PM, David Barts wrote: On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Actually, they sell reliability and ease-of-use. Macs tend to "just work" in most cases, including many cases where Linux or Windoze require endless geekery to get something to work. Reliability and ease-of-use come at a price. As someone who's an ex systems support person and completely sick of systems geekery, that price is worth it to me. If the price isn't worth it to you, don't buy Apple products. Simple. -- David Barts Seattle, WA. I rarely keep a machine beyond two years, then it gets the "pass me down" to someone ... or the electronics recyclers where they pay me the grand price of ~0.36 a pound ... video cards, memory and other components going into the junk drawer for passing out to those in need ... I can't remember a computer ever failing me in that time, nor any component other than a power supply, now and then, which was abused and drew too much power through. Reliability encompasses more than just service lifetime of the hardware. Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. I was merely responding to "dave"'s inane comment that the only reason anyone would purchase an Apple product is for fashion or lifestyle reasons. -- David Barts Seattle, WA I find the vast majority think it is some kind of status symbol or have some cult devotion to them ... I just don't understand it ... And, why you are worried about the lifetime of a computer which will be outdated in a year, two at max is rather perplexing ... unless you only use email, a browser and a NG reader ... and then you can get by with a 40 buck PC from the salvation army running windows 98 on ancient architecture ... better yet, check out the dumpsters behind any business, that is where I seen a lot of old computers end up ... my nieces kids pulled a few out of dumpsters to do a science fair project out of just last year or the year before ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts wrote: Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would all make the same choices, right? Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs ... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs ... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around, in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match three games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 5:01 PM, BAR wrote:
In t, says... wrote in message ... In , says... In , wrote: In , says... In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple What does open architecture mean? What is needed is run any application, not just applications purchased thru amazon. My wife has a Nook Color and it does just about everything she needs. The web browser is pretty good. Exactly, electronic books in an open architecture which can be read on any appliance using any software/hardware of choice ... instead of them all attempting to be "the next phone company" and sell us a ridiculously cheap service at a ridiculously HIGH PROFIT! Might as well just buy the book ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/13/2011 5:29 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:01:46 -0400, wrote: What does open architecture mean? What is needed is run any application, not just applications purchased thru amazon. My wife has a Nook Color and it does just about everything she needs. The web browser is pretty good. No computer can run any application. Any application can be written to run on any platform ... unless you are talking about attempting to run an operating system on a 1.98 calculator ... Regards, JS |
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I already tried out an ersatz 'laptop' back in February or March of this
year when I bought a Motorola Atrix smart phone with the laptop dock.Little bitty 10.5 inch laptop dock screen, Screw that sheet! A week after I bought that stuff, I took it back to the AT&T retail store and I got my money back, minus the restocking fee. I found out a laptop is not for me.I prefer big desktop computers with big monitors. I don't tote anyway. My WebTV screen is a 27'' Sansui CRT TV set I bought at Walmart. cuhulin |
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On 10/13/2011 7:33 PM, J R wrote:
I already tried out an ersatz 'laptop' back in February or March of this year when I bought a Motorola Atrix smart phone with the laptop dock.Little bitty 10.5 inch laptop dock screen, Screw that sheet! A week after I bought that stuff, I took it back to the AT&T retail store and I got my money back, minus the restocking fee. I found out a laptop is not for me.I prefer big desktop computers with big monitors. I don't tote anyway. My WebTV screen is a 27'' Sansui CRT TV set I bought at Walmart. cuhulin I have a little 10 inch Acer net book, actually, I love it. Just wish there was a usb cell TX/RX dongle and phone software, I'd chuck my android and have a REAL CELL PHONE ... and netbook ... the atom processor provides amazing performance for what it is ... I don't even notice the time passing at appts, shopping, etc. as I play solitare, surf, email, etc. Regards, JS |
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In article , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted ! On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote: On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote: On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better." One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on those statistics ... Regards, JS For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac non-tech-r-i ~ RHF . . LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta love it!! :) But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer! Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you want and save a $1000 ... |
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In article ,
"Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On Oct 13, 5:09*pm, David Barts
wrote: On Oct 13, 4:48*pm, John Smith wrote: On 10/13/2011 4:19 PM, David Barts wrote: On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, *wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Actually, they sell reliability and ease-of-use. Macs tend to "just work" in most cases, including many cases where Linux or Windoze require endless geekery to get something to work. Reliability and ease-of-use come at a price. As someone who's an ex systems support person and completely sick of systems geekery, that price is worth it to me. If the price isn't worth it to you, don't buy Apple products. Simple. -- David Barts Seattle, WA. I rarely keep a machine beyond two years, then it gets the "pass me down" to someone ... or the electronics recyclers where they pay me the grand price of ~0.36 a pound ... video cards, memory and other components going into the junk drawer for passing out to those in need ... I can't remember a computer ever failing me in that time, nor any component other than a power supply, now and then, which was abused and drew too much power through. Reliability encompasses more than just service lifetime of the hardware. Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. - I was merely responding to "dave"'s inane comment - that the only reason anyone would purchase an Apple - product is for fashion or lifestyle reasons. - - -- - David Barts - Seattle, WA Ah Yes, Dave is such a 'fashion' plate - rotfl ~ RHF -remember-dave-has-his-reasons-;;-}}- |
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